Wikinews:Video Wikinews/2.0/Yap

From Wikinews, the free news source you can write!
Jump to: navigation, search
This project page is inactive or outdated, and is primarily kept here for archival purposes. If you're interested in using this page again, please discuss on the water cooler.
Articles for deletion
This page was previously nominated for deletion.

Please see prior discussion(s) before considering re-nomination: Keep, January 9, 2007, link

Join The Beta[edit]

Wanna Join The Beta Add Your Name To The Job You Want, I'll upload more info later

  • News Anchor (Host The News) (5 MAX)[Switched]-
  • Weather Reporter (Name Says It) (3 MAX) [Switched]-
  • On-Scene Report (Report from That location) (NO LIMIT) [Varies]-
  • "News Central" (Breaking News reports, LIVE Updates & Answering Phone Calls for Breaking News!) (No Limit) [Varies] -
  • Graphics (Make Graphics [Lower Thirds, Background,Intro, Theme etc.]) [NO LIMIT] {Graphics will vary by edition, day and hour} -
  • Anyone is invited to join...
  • More Info Soon

Question[edit]

1. What is the name of the news music intro? 2. What program did you use to make the videos and animations

I need something to do over the summer so I decided I will make a News Bulletin(just text) I only need the right software. Andimahony (talk) 19:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)Andimahony

The European Breakfast and NewsBrief @ 5.[edit]

Hi everybody. I am in the late stages of setting up an early morning news program of around 5-10 minutes in length which will take viewers through the main stories effecting Europe every morning. The video will be recorded before hand and then streamed over the internet using SopCast or a similar piece of software throughout the day. It will generally be released at around 6am. A further update will then be recorded for release at 5pm daily. As I am working on this, practically by myself I am willing to let this become part of the Video WikiNews project, let me know if you want any further information on the project or if you would like a better explanation.

Equipment: Currently I have very little equipment and will be running the program using a webcam and a basic video editting package.

Weather "Grant" from AccuWeather[edit]

If anybody with a greenscreen could do a national weather forcast really well, we could get a $5,000 prize. [1]

COOL! :) I also have someone working on grant application drafts. DragonFire1024 12:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I have a green screen and can fo the graphics but, I can't for the next 3 days max - my PC is being upgraded —Symode09 08:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Story[edit]

I thought of doing a "touching" story on the Virginia Tech shootings - we can try to contact the shooter's family and, take a look at both sides of the story the attacker and the victims. THe family wouldn't mind - it might be the only publicity which suppoarts them. What do you think? —Symode09 08:45, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

That's Not All Folks![edit]

Things are still happening behind the scenes - come back in a day or two. By Wednesday, there would have been major decisions made and, we will be fully ready for... <see more>

I am willing to help[edit]

I have a green screen, so I can do anchor or weather.

I could do some sports stuff, you name it, you got it.

I might be able to write some sort of prompter software --Cleefy 14:05, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews Video wishlist[edit]

What do you think Wikinews video needs? What do you wish we had? What about cameras? A studio? Etc...? This is a wish list of stuff we could use for Wikinews video, or need. Add whatever you think will help :) In the event we receive grants, this is what we would spend it on :) DragonFire1024 18:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

  1. Studio. DragonFire1024 18:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
It is obious, we cannot have a studio - we need something which is available to everyone around the world. I think, we should have a dollar for dollar system and a hire system.

A dollar for dollar system is where, users will be refunded half the proce of any costs for hardware bought, as long as the hardware is used for wikinews. This would mean, I can buy, say a high quality webcam which costs $80 US and, half its cost ($40 US) is refunded. This would occur as long as there are no users in that specific area and, the user is willing to contribute on a weekly basis for a set period (say, six months) After that, they will be able to continue or, they can stop (either way, they can keep the camera for their work)

We could then, get seven users signed up - one reporting each day of the week. If each user is given $75 US for their work for six months (to pay for the hardware costs) it would cost a total of $280 US for six months.

IMHO, I would get the foundation / one of the users to buy the webcams so, there is a standard video quality / format etc. Then, the webcam could be sent out to the user, as well as a material green screen (pretty much the correct coloured green screen)

To ensure there is no misleading information supplied when people are applying (heaps of people would do anything to get a 1/2 price webcam) we could ask the user to send the money to the foundation via pay pal (or something similar) before we sent out the webcam. —Symode09 12:11, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I have contacted a US grants department to find out about the process and, received this reply;

"Thank you for your interest in NEH grants for humanities media projects. The next application deadline for media production grants in the Division of Public Programs at NEH is November 1, 2007. The peer-review process is six months in duration. Notification of awards would be made in May, 2008. If you have any questions, please contact me.

Cordially,

Michael Shirley www.neh.gov"

We should apply as soon as possible.

Story[edit]

There is also the need to find a story to cover. We are looking for a story which is meaningful, discovers something, or takes a look at things at amazing depth. This is modelled around the "60 minutes" (TV show) approach - tonight they took a look at the deep and problematic problems with youth culture. There are two questions I have for everyone here - what are some good story ideas (I don't care how in depth they are - I can do confrontational reports and investegations (I quite like them to be honest) The other question is, should it be once a week or once a month. The concept in the long run will be to add a daily report on top of this but, now we want to capture people's attention.

thanx symode09

Symode09 17:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

iWikinews[edit]

There is now a pilot program going on with universities and other organizations that allows groups to record video or audio to be released on itunes, or your iPod. Thought this would be interesting. 1  Thunderhead  ►  15:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Interesting indeed. DragonFire1024 15:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I have brought this idea up - it is being taken further by someone at the foundation :) —Symode09 15:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

STORY![edit]

We seriously need a story - I will be hopefully covering one over here but, are there any story ideas? please help - no one has been helping to find stories - after all the early work, the concept has worn off - it is not too hard - all i need is some ideas - pleas help! —Symode09 15:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Some issues[edit]

As I see it, Wikinews Video has several fundamental things that need to be fixed before it can take off.

Journalistic content. Flipping through the various project pages, I find lots logos, promos, flash graphics etcetera, but nothing about actually doing some journalistic work (going out on the field and film). Coincidentially, the graphics page is called "The Wow Starts Now", and it appears that the community is focusing more on "wow" than actual content.

Copyright. Open content is a core value of the Wikimedia foundation. The "first official news report" was deleted since the permission didn't allow derivative works. It is now only available on Youtube, and is therefore just some video that someone has put together and used the Wikinews logo at the start. Many of the other Wikinews videos are somewhat obscure when it comes to copyright, and may very well be deleted. The copyright status of the music used in the videos should also be completely explained. The community must be made aware that they can only use content licensed under free licenses, but also that you must state what license you are using and that you often have to credit others.

Using third party servers. As I mentioned, the first Wikinews Video report is only available on Youtube. The same goes goes for many other Wikinews videos that can be found on such obscure places as MSN Spaces. Wikinews is a Wikimedia project and must use the Wikimedia servers as its primary way of distribution (essentially: Upload ogg files to Commons first). Otherwise you are just using the Wikinews trademark for something not affiliated with Wikimedia.

No wiki. Wikinews Video should use the wiki model, but doesn't at present. The first news report was just uploaded by someone who had put it together at home, after that you couldn't edit it. That is not how a wiki works. In the best of worlds, you would click the video file and then get a video editor in your browser, open to everyone. This makes it impossible to have a "video wiki" at the moment, as there isn't any open-source-in-browser-editing-software available. But for starters, the uploader should provide the source files and the video editing file so that another user can edit it using an external programme later on.

News bulletins. Judging by many project pages, it seems to be consensus that one of the goals for the project is to create news bulletins. This should be abandoned immediately. In an on demand world, news bulletins are an unnecessary and dying phenomenon. Wikinews Video should focus on producing reports about different subjects. The user would then be able to "compose her own news bulletin" by selecting the stories she want in her own order. This also makes anchors and studios completely redundant, so the "Newsreader" page could be deleted.

Keeping it simple. Another point about graphics. One of the features of the wiki technology is that it is so simple to learn. Graphics should therefore be very simple. At the most, it should be a jingle a the start, a caption at the end and lower thirds when needed. More complicated graphics are just a waste of time.

This may sound a bit harsh, but I see a need for some rethinking for this project. Väsk 18:21, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

One it is not a project yet. Is is a test project that is currently in development. Everything is currently a test and no way reflects the final version of the "project." The user(s) who did the first report did it as Wikinews Video themselves, which IMo is one of the goals we hope to achieve through this project because most all users involved in this creation are thousands of miles from one another in most cases.
YouTube, MySpace, MSN, etc are all possible outlets for the broadcast which would first be available on Wikinews and then one of those or all. Point is we need a broadcast outlet, and without asking the WMF to make an additional server for Wikinews Video, those will have to do, for now and until we can get that or something better.
Currently to do all the things you and others want us to do requires money. Right now we are looking at possible grant options, all of which are currently being observed and researched. Again thats just a phase and nothing has actually been done. The grants and possible sources of funding are listed here. Of course all those funds, if we have WMF permission and we are approved (nothing has been submitted to WMF or the US government grant program yet), WMF would of course "control" or be in possession of those funds, however would be available to Wikinews Video on a as needed basis. Truthfully, we have done all we can and really cannot accomplish too much more without funds.
Currently, other than the interview, which is still available and can be uploaded to Wikinews, was a shot at what is possible and what our user can achieve. It is proof that Wikinewsies can interview top rated politicians and such. For someone as big as these people are, they could very well laugh in the faces of these WIkinewsies and go to the AP or Reuters or etc.
My goal, is to get any project on WMF to be involved as much as possible doing anything they can. We need help on all levels and I for one do not want to see this project abandoned (again). We have the users interested we have the content...we just need the physical equipment. DragonFire1024 18:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Endless Response;
Journalistic content. Yes, we dod the graphics because, it (imho) generates interest and enthusiams, and can be done easily without money. If you have not realised, the page "the wow starts now" is a slight parody of the vista slogan - and, when I name pages, I try to make them interesting (ie. yap and enlist)
Copyright. Open content is a core value of the Wikimedia foundation. The "first official news report" was deleted since the permission didn't allow derivative works. It is now only available on Youtube, and is therefore just some video that someone has put together and used the Wikinews logo at the start. Many of the other Wikinews videos are somewhat obscure when it comes to copyright, and may very well be deleted. The copyright status of the music used in the videos should also be completely explained. The community must be made aware that they can only use content licensed under free licenses, but also that you must state what license you are using and that you often have to credit others.
Using third party servers. I can not speak for anyone else but, I have uploaded videos onto external servers because,
a) I own the copyright for some of the things in the videos I have created and therefore will not upload it to WMF servers for some time until, I have fine tuned it and removed copyrighted content
b) To the best of my knowlege, you cannot embedd wmf videos easily into blogs.
Also, I have been using the Wikinews trademark for something affiliated with Wikimedia - Wikinews Video
No wiki. Wikinews Video does not use the wiki model because, as I said above of copyright reasons and, it is not even a project yet. You give the possibility of an in browser video editor - this will never happen. Can you edit audio files in browser? I do not think so (I may be proven wrong).
News bulletins. I have never imagined the concept of daily bulletins (for now) - I want to create a weekly FA and work from there. I doubt daily news will be a reality - the reason I am assuming there will be a weekly edition. I agree with you - this VOD industry is saturated. I have the vision of us being the worldwide 60 minutes edition.
Keeping it simple. I believe professional, conclusive graphics are vital - I do not want to make it complicated but, I think it is vital. One thing that we seem to be missing is the fact that wiki's allow people to contribute in an area they are experienced with. I might be experienced with graphics, DragonFire1024 might be good at the scripts or editing etc. Some people will take charge of certain areas. The same for other users - positions will be flexible. I think that if we are going to produce something it has to be the best. Anything less is not good enough.
I appreciate you actually questioning us - I would rather that and be able to fix our mistakes (and at least we have some food for thought!) If you have not noticed, I have been trying really hard to get some ideas put together but, noone seems to be helping and all of mine are c*rap. thanks anyways :) —Symode09 11:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Grammar :S[edit]

"more work can be done then ever before"... can we please change the then to than? Please... 41.243.41.200 15:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Done. The page isn't protected so feel free to change it yourself any time. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Video News at Wikimania[edit]

Hi! I am thinking about making some video interviews at the Wikimania in Taiwan. I have done this before. Have a look for example at http://www.perspektive89.com/video . This time unfortunately I will not have a sufficient laptop with me (with enough power to edit video), but I have a cam and a mic. Would be great to produce some videos for Wikinews and the Wiki community. Anyone interested, please get in touch! .. e.g. through the web form at one of my blogs http://www.perspektive89.com/user/6/contact Mario Behling 08:18, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Helping out[edit]

Hey, I have video production as a sort of 2nd job - and I am keen to help out in any way I can! Any news/updates? TheFearow 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, not really, Video Wikinews is having a slow start, but keep watching and there will be updates indeed. Thunderhead - (talk) 05:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Great :-) I'm going to be a bit more active on wikinews now, this was the thing that made me decide to register here. TheFearow 01:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Helping out[edit]

Hey, I am a 13 year old, but id love to help with the scripts, theres a class at my school called video journalism, and it would tie in pretty well, i could also make a few theme songs, and see how it goes, im pretty good with garageband. Gamersedge 17:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Great! Feel free to sign up on Wikinews:Video Wikinews/2.0/Enlist and create some stuff :) If you havent been there, more info is on Wikinews:Video 2.0. TheFearow | userpage | contribs 21:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

"Meet the editors" video[edit]

Hi all,

I had this idea for a promotional video for Wikinews, which everyone could contribute to. You know the video of all different locations in the world? Wouldn't it be great to have a video that starts with the Wikinews logo and explains what Wikinews is, and then you see some of our editors who've filmed themselves in world-famous locations, e.g. "Hi, I'm Jason reporting from New York City," , "Hi, I'm Brian reporting from Brussels," , "Hi, I'm Frankie Roberto with the news from London," with the Big Ben in the background, "Hi, I'm Rico Shen reporting from Taiwan," in Taiwanese, and some different languages like "I'm Julian from Buenos Aires" in Spanish, etc. We could write a script collaboratively and put together all the video fragments we receive. A bit like the Jimmy Wales video for the fundraiser.

Thoughts? Volunteers?

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, I am not sure exactly where you propose to showcase this video if it were to come about. I can say, that I won't be appearing in it. However, I do not think that Wikinews lacks exposure, rather it lacks content. If we had hundreds of new stories each day, then word would spread on its own. I (imho) think that advertising at this point in time would have a adverse effect. People would visit one time and think to themselves "eh, there's not much here" and then write Wikinews off and make a mental note not to bother going there again. Successful websites, Wikipedia included—correct me if I am wrong—take off not because they advertised their presence, but because they just started "being". If we succeed at providing growing content, there will be growing readers, and then growing contributors. I hate to use this corny movie quote, but "If you build it, he [they] will come." OK, perhaps not what you hoped for, but you did ask for my thoughts. Cheers, --SVTCobra 04:37, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I think some kind of major reform to the way Wikinews works would be required to get hundreds of new articles a day- either we'd flood the visitor with random op-ed pieces, like most actual news sources, or we'd be reporting on all kinds of local news that would probably be overwhelming without a structural revision to the site organization (maybe not, I don't really know what I'm talking about). When I look at the latest headlines from BBC news, there are only perhaps 50%-100% more than on Wikinews - certainly not hundreds a day, or even in a few days. 67.163.165.236 22:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, if we got to that point, not everything would be on the front page. You'd have to click on your region to get local stories. If we get more popular you might even have to click on topic as well. But for now, we put them all on the front page. But you can help change this. --SVTCobra 22:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
I think this is a wonderful idea. I do think we lack exposure. There are certain interviews that have garnered a lot of interest and some that haven't. It's not that we're not churning out good stuff, it's that unless it's something that's of wide use to a certain base, it will go unnoticed. The interview style that David Shankbone has pioneered is really a step in the right direction. People simply don't know about Wikinews. When I ask for interviews, I introduce Wikinews as "the news arm of Wikipedia." People know about Wikipedia, and then get excited. Any kind of exposure for Wikinews is good, and thinking outside the box is a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned. TheCustomOfLife 10:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I like it! Anyone up for a test video? --TUFKAAP 19:43, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we should not have hundreds of News articles a day as Wikinews does't need that many. I think a promotional video is an excellent idea and I think it should be displayed on wikipedia. --User:Anonymous101 (I would prefer it if you replied via the email link) 08:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Music[edit]

w:user:CyclePat: I would be happy to make some GFDL music clips.

That would be cool :-) If you would like to go for it :) Let us know what you come up with :) We definitely need some though. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 11:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)