Talk:John "Jebby" Bush, son of Florida Governor Bush, arrested for public intoxication

NEWS FEATURE

This is a NEWS FEATURE article; i.e., the hard news leads, and additional in-depth, germane, supporting details follow. The linking subjects are 1) Drug & Alcohol abuse, 2) Austin, TX and 3) Bush family.

Note the third lead: "Jeb and Columba Bush's youngest son allegedly wobbled up to TABC and Austin police on duty in the city's downtown entertainment district and began badgering police about an earlier arrest of people he knew."

The feature story guidelines state in part that "The third lead should be the one that has the most human interest... whatever people feel is most likely to get readers reading which isn't the day's top breaking news."

The topic of "earlier arrest of people he knew" also includes his relatives. He undoubtedly knows about his cousins Jenna & Barbara, as well as his own sister and his uncle.

It's almost like a recipe... mix the three and the results are legal trouble and run-ins with LEOs (Law Enforcement Officers) and the judicial system.

I'm sorry, but I don't completely understand what you're getting at... I understand that the family's past run-ins with the law are relevant in the article, but that should not be the basis of the article. Surely, we wouldn't care a fig that this young man had been arrested unless his last name happened to be "Bush", but a full two-thirds of the article are not about him or the incident. Perhaps a link to Wikipedia article about alcoholic tendancies in the Bush family would be appropriate. Further, the article title is not appropriate as international readers may not understand the term "bust" and surely, he wasn't busted, but was arrested. Bust has a different connotation, I think -- even in America. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:03, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Referenced stories

One of the stories I referenced had this at the conclusion of the story. "It is not the first time one of the governor's children has had a run-in with the law.

"Jeb Bush's daughter Noelle was sentenced to 10 days in jail in 2002 after cocaine was found in her shoe at a court-ordered drug rehabilitation program.

"President Bush's daughters Jenna and Barbara were both charged in 2001 with drinking underage."

I simply elaborated upon the obvious, for the benefit of the readers. The basis of the article is the lead... Jebby arrested on alcohol-related charges. Children of public figures are public figures.

Regarding use of the term "bust" - it is clearly not a work of art, nor does it refer to a woman's breasts, and the presence of "cops" (a derivative of the English slang 'copper' referring to a policeman's badge, whom are now called 'bobbies' for their unique hats) adjacent a verb must mean that they did something other than break a statuary, work of art, or anatomical part. Pity the person who, though Internet & wiki savvy, is too lazy to find a definition of a word they don't know... and that, on the Internet.

The article is about an alcohol related arrest of a public figure's son. The in-depth part is about similarly related issues with the family.

It is regrettable that you don't "completely understand" how the in-depth part is related to the lead. The article is not complete with out it. Otherwise, it would be nothing more than a short, almost worthless paragraph... essentially what some other news outlets published. They, however, must be conscious of their use of paper and a responsibility to advertisers, whom support the paper. Wikinews has no such concerns, and thus, feature length and in-depth stories are, and ought to be, hallmark... not petty bickering about one's opinion and censoring.

The first section of the story is sufficient to explain the event -- an additional paragraph (or two) summarizing the Bush family's problem with alcohol might be appropriate. I don't think we're engaged in petty bickering -- I think we're trying to develop an article about a current news event. The article title is another matter, really. Our international readers would be better served by a title that explained what happened, specifically, that "Jebby" Bush, son of the governor of Florida, was arrested. I would hope that they needn't find a dictionary to decipher a headline and the word "bust" may not be entirely clear to them. The simplest title is always best -- especially for an article that aspires to be a "lead" article. As concerns the word "cops", which I've not addressed (and really don't care about, but you brought it up): it is often seen as a derrogatory term among policemen. It's a common enough word and in the context of the article will be fine; as you say, if, once someone is reading the article, they can't decipher the meaning of the word, they can look it up.

I will not address this article again as my opinion (and that of others) has been stated. This isn't a bad article and it is news (if only because of a person's surname). There may be an overall POV issue, but perhaps another editor will take this up.

A final note: please do sign your comments using two dashes and four tildes (--~~~~) -- this will automagically sign your username and insert a date stamp. It will make things easier to follow. --Chiacomo (talk) 06:09, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

There is a strong bias in the background information of the story, which for I have tagged this story NPOV. You don't need three paragraphs of background when your story has just as much. Three sentences is adequate for this article. --Mrmiscellanious 12:32, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. There is NO bias in this story. All facts and sources are cited. It is 100% truth, no opinion. Have you even bothered read the stories, links and citations? This NEWS FEATURE story has NO fiction, NO opinion, and is 100% truth. Some inane claim of "strong bias" is made citing "background information" as a justification. It's 100% FACT. Attempts to change the story, it's headline, its subject matter using trickery - simply because one doesn't like the story and cant' make any claim to any error, factual or otherwise - and every facets of the story are BLATANT attempts at CENSORSHIP.

No, I don't see a bias in the background information, although your welcome to include some tib bit about how this is normal among rich families. What Mr Misc may have really disliked was that atrocious/POV last sentence. I've fixed it and tried to smoothed out other rough/POV edges. - Nyarlathotep 20:17, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

It is fine now, but it was very pov before, if you have not already seen the old version have a look [1] The background info was about twice as long as the rest of it. --Cspurrier 20:29, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Why is this 21 year old Bush not fighting in the war on terror?

Ecuse my english.Here in Czech Republic, all men serve 2 years and many are fighting against war on terror which American president Bush says is so emportant. Why is this Bush man not also fighting if Czechs are? Also, why is this not headline story? If Czech president's nephew was arrested it would be very big news here. I will try to make it a bigger story on wiki as was said at the top about featured. 195.113.164.130 11:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Well beacuse the US armed forces is currently a volunteer force. I'm not sure what 'jebby's' lack of service has to do with your obvious disapprovement of your own countries participation in the coalition force. It's such flawed thinking, frankly. Are you suggesting that the US hasn't deployed its fair share to the coaliation forces? Why is it not a headline? Umm, well it has been and it will pass into the void where it belongs, considering all the important news in the world... sigh

ISBN magic link

{{editprotected}} This page uses an ISBN magic link, a feature which is likely to be replaced sometime soon per the RFC on Mediawiki. In the Sources, please enclose the word ISBN, and the number immediately after it, inside the {{ISBN}} template e.g. {{ISBN|0870621440}}, which should have no outward effect but ensures that the link to Special:BookSources is maintained when the magic link is deprecated. Cheers. Green Giant (talk) 16:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Done --SVTCobra 18:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)