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Hospital shut down by State of Florida

Hi. You'd mispublished Hospital shut down by State of Florida (which I fixed for you) — only authorized Reviewers can publish articles. When a non-Reviewer puts the {{publish}} tag on an unpublished article, that doesn't publish it, and does move it to a more obscure part of the Newsroom (the "Articles mispublished" section). --Pi zero (talk) 13:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

The article needs to have at least two independent sources. I've tagged it as needing that, before being resubmitted for review. --Pi zero (talk) 13:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Could you please define 'independent source'? Tkfy7cf (talk) 21:17, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I tried to explain a bit more what was needed in the second review of the article (which is below the first review — I did a double-take myself, when I looked at the talk page and saw the first review again). By "independent newsfeed" I meant that one source isn't just repeating information that it got from the other (which sometimes happens when, for example, several sources are just reporting what they heard from Reuters, or something like that). I did try to explain a bit more in that second review about the two-source requirement. I realize it can be a real problem, for a relatively local story like this, to find two independent sources to support a synthesis article; but that's what's called for.

Note that I also commented on a sourcing problem for the last paragraph, and on the lengths of the later paragraphs.

A lot of this stuff is in the "Basic news writing" section of the Style guide.

BTW, by this time I think I'm a bit over-involved in the article myself to pass it for publication, so ultimately it will have to be reviewed by someone else — which will probably take some time, as there's often a longish queue waiting for review (measured by when the {{review}} tag is added). That's actually part of the reason I'm trying to be helpful in explaining about what needs improvement: I've seen first-time authors write an article, then it sits around waiting for review for a day or more, and when it fails review for something basic, there isn't time for the author to go 'round the review process a couple of times learning what's needed before the article goes stale and ultimately has to be deleted ("Facts don't cease to be facts, but news ceases to be news"). Of course, death by staleness might happen despite everyone's best efforts — it sometimes happens even to experienced newshands — but it would be nice if the cause weren't failure to help a new author learn what's needed. --Pi zero (talk) 22:20, 6 May 2010 (UTC)