Wikinews:Accreditation requests/Laslovarga

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Promoted, albeit a little belatedly. Email issued, added to scoop (need to finish killing that and instituting a replacement). --Brian McNeil / ^talk 18:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

--László (talk)

Name: Laslo Varga

Location: Canada

Areas of interest: Sport, tourism

Reason: For better and easier access to original reporting sources

Accomplishments: My accomplishments sr Wikinews

Contact information: laslovarga@vikimedija.org

User ID: 452

Applied on: 23:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Comments

For the moment, I'll only comment: Xe seems to've done alot at Serbian WN......about 50 articles by my count! That's impressive, it is!! Xe's an Administrator there....etc. But what has he done here? What? I don't comprehend the need/impulse/inclination to throw accreditation around like so much pocket lint. People can earn their way here, just like everyone else has to. If we accredit this person, we're "vouching" for the quality of Xyr work......(his work done thus far and what will probably be done later in English). Where is that work? Where is the body of work THUS FAR that one can read, done on this English project?--Bddpaux (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Accreditation is not local to English Wikinews; a contributor having nil English knowledge, but doing original reporting, should be not prevented from getting the accreditation for this reason alone. You can see this point confirmed in this message, for example, where LauraHale encourages Russian-speaking reporters to gain accreditation.

However I agree that we may need more information about the candidate; I would try to do so by asking questions to get more details. Gryllida 20:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose some clarification, then, is in order. I'm all for cross-wiki work.....awesome!! But if I'm accredited here......am I "automatically" (not sure exactly what I mean by that!) accredited at Polish WN? Accreditation isn't about me, or you or the birds-or-the-bees for that matter.....it's about what an OUTSIDE SOURCE might think about me or you or whomever. If they ask themselves: "is this guy legit? Should I really talk to him as a reporter or is he just some annoying dude messing around with his 'blog?" Accrediation answers that question for them.....it's your employee i.d. so-to-speak. --Bddpaux (talk) 21:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Automatically accredited at all language editions yes... as they don't have their own accreditation system. How new is such trend? I hope someone less new than me would provide insight in this.

Is the folk legit? I haven't seen your reasoning why not, other than "he does not contribute in English here". Gryllida 08:10, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern; it is interesting to see it in the same world as the wikinewsie.org homepage, with nothing of its mission being specific to a language. I, for example, write e-mails to interviewees both in Russian and English using my wikinewsie e-mail without a problem; people take it more seriously than a gmail, regardless of a language, which aids original reporting output in any language. Gryllida 08:24, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We're talking about accreditation by English Wikinews; this has always involved demonstration of understanding of, and investment in the principles of, English Wikinews. We're not necessarily unwilling to accredit someone whose contributions are primarily to another project, but we need confidence their conduct will uphold our values since we're putting our name behind them. It's not up to us to prove otherwise; that would imply assumption of good faith, which we don't practice here; see WN:Never assume. --Pi zero (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, what he said. --Bddpaux (talk) 15:34, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Question What role did you do in original reporting in your language? Gryllida 20:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi, my mother tong is Hungarian, but I do Serbian Wikinews because I am fascinated with Chirilic alphabet and I had here in Canada a lot of opportunities to interact with Serbian community. Now to answer on your question, in my reports I did a role of reporter, photographer and actual writing of the News. All these, my contributions, can be seen here. One of the examples you can see here where I did all what I mentioned above. Also I promoted Wiki Loves Monuments - Serbia 2013 and also same for 2012. and many more things. This is already fifth year that I am doing some original reporting.----László (talk) 01:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question How would you use accreditation? Gryllida 20:34, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Accreditation is for me just a tool which is going to help me to easier get to the source of the news/report.----László (talk) 01:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thank you. That is a little vague. How wold you do that? Would you do that in person or by e-mail? What source? What prior experience do you have in this? I suspect answers would help to make your description more specific. Gryllida 08:13, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Specifically, in 2008, 2009, 2010... I did some reports from Rogers Cup held in Toronto and my best photo shots came from crowd, there were no place for me not even near the fence, but only from seat for which I had a ticket (not to mention any chance to be on some press conference).----László (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question What do you think of English Wikinews? How similar/different is it from Serbian Wikinews? --Pi zero (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- English Wikinews is more for original reporting, which I am supporting in full. Serbian Wikinews is mostly just a transfer of already written news and that is something what I try to change.----László (talk) 01:09, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I followed the link in the request above, and arrived to [1]; the page does not exist. Gryllida 08:25, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is. This is a glitch caused by Chirilic/Latin alphabet configuration.----László (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question Have any of your articles been published on English Wikinews? (I don't see any, from your edit history, though if someone else had translated them they wouldn't show in your edit history.) If not, why is that? Keeping in mind that there are big differences between some different-language Wikinewses, so contribution in good standing on another project, such as Serbian Wikinews, tells us some important things but leaves us unsure of others. --Pi zero (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- No I did not published any articles on EW. reason for that is very simple. Till last summer I was Admin. and Bureaucrat on both, Serbian Wikinews and Wikipedia on Serbian language, where, combine, in total I had something like 65.000 contributions, plus work on commons where I have over 2.000 published pictures and those are also on a same time sources of my articles illustrations. Most of the pictures are "born" as a results of my search for good article. And there is more reasons, but you can see that all my spare time was already spent there. By the way there is no much difference on Serbian/English Wikinewses. I know that for fact because most or all of the rules we were just took over from this Wikinews and implemented it. There was one period when Milos was present there with his newsy-bot, but I do not like even to think about those times even than Serbian Wikinews flourish with new articles (without quality) and so on.----László (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question What do you think of English Wikinews's WN:NPOV — which is quite different from English Wikipedia's NPOV. (Our NPOV page is in need of rewriting; sorry about that — it rambles a bit before getting to the point, but a better short description is at WN:PILLARS#neutral.) I don't see an interwiki from our WN:NPOV page to Serbian Wikinews; how does neutrality there differ from neutrality here, and what do you think of that? --Pi zero (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is and it is translated from English )I just now added interwikis.----László (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question What do you think of the (proposed) Declaration of the Rights and Duties of Journalists of The Wikinewsie Group? --Pi zero (talk) 11:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The proposed declaration looks great, and I am glad that something like this exists in Wikinews's Group (I mean this is Declaration of the Duties and Rights of a Journalist by Swiss Press Council Foundation in December 1999!!!). Translation in to Serbian is going to come shortly.----László (talk) 00:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment We are, I believe, in a state of transition here. We very much want to accredit reporters based on non-English Wikinews projects; at the same time, we presumably need to know that we share some common principles with them. We have limited experience with how to do this. Hence the questions I'm asking, to try to get a feel for the candidate's thinking about news. --Pi zero (talk) 14:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is one example how all this has to work and what collaboration can give to communities North Korea's rising tensions: Wikinews interviews Scott Snyder and Dr Robert Kelly----László (talk) 00:11, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

Support I know of this user's work from Serbian Wikinews. They are one of the few active reporters doing original reporting there and have assisted the project in moving away from pure content import. I think the content work on Serbian Wikinews and the work on project development demonstrate they should be given accreditation. --LauraHale (talk) 08:49, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support By all means, let's support Serbian Wikinews original reporting. Raystorm (talk) 08:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support IIRC, he/she is an admin at Serbian Wikinews, I agree with my fellows above. Diego Grez (alternate account) ^{alt. talk} 01:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose...and rationally so. This isn't a personal attack, far-from-it, to be exact. I've spent the last several minutes answering my question voiced in the comments section. What has Xe done here? A teeny bit of trans-wiki work (taking from here, depositing there....no crime in that, but it's not WORK DONE HERE). Added a couple of cats here and there (nice, but not accreditation worthy by a long shot). Dropped in a few very strange barely English terms/words (not sure if Xe cribbed those from an online translator or not...I'm just saying).

So, an accredited reporter has shown themselves ready to give a whole lot here....Xe wants the accreditation because it'll open up EVEN MORE DOORS for Xyr-self down the road. But Xe's already been out there, pounding the pavement, doing LOADS OF JOURNALISM which a person can do WITHOUT ACCREDITATION. People won't stop treating accreditation here like some magical gobstopper until we make it so. It's too early for this person. Xe can report some good juicy bits of all-manner-of shennanigans going on in Serbia or Canada or Puerto Rico for all I care right here at English WN, and can do so in English for a little while....we'll see how that goes, and then we can discuss accreditation. We impart credibility upon the project, when we INSIST UPON MAINTAINING credible pathways. --Bddpaux (talk) 03:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~{{wait}}~~ For whatever reason, this process is running behind schedule, but the community is now engaging the candidate in the Comments section above. --Pi zero (talk) 12:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support I feel I have a sense of the candidate. I'm comfortable with accrediting them. --Pi zero (talk) 00:27, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support Appears to be a quality candidate in a language we don't have many accredited reporters in. Orderinchaos (talk) 16:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support; there's a history of accreditation across languages, and I believe this user has demonstrated a commitment to the principles upon which this policy/process have been built. I'm also very much in-favour of rescuing Serbian Wikinews from robots propagating US State Department 'propaganda'. :P --Brian McNeil / ^talk 10:29, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Thanks! Gryllida 23:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support definitely --Xania (talk) 22:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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