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First Article[edit]

Hello, I have recently written a news report. This has been my first time. How do I proceed with it. It has been more than 48 hours but it still hasn't been aired. The article is titles India urges peaceful settlement of disputes at South China Sea.

--Abhinav619 (talk) 03:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Abhinav619. Okay, here's what's been happening with your article. Executive summary: Things are proceeding now.
  • As first submitted, there were a bunch of problems (which is quite common with a reporter's first submission; there's an initial learning curve, which we try to help folks up).
  • Another contributor, Wikiwide, did a bunch of work on it, much improving it.
  • It then waited for review for some time; that does sometimes happen, as reviewers are volunteers too, and review is a pretty big lump sum of time and effort to donate. Naturally, we get to things as soon as we can. (There was an incident earlier this month where we got overwhelmed and didn't get to an article in time; that does happen occasionally, and upsets us all, so we do our best to avoid it.)
  • A few hours ago, I undertook to do a full review, with optimism that the article will pass to publication. I'm working on it now. If you look at the article now, you'll see there's an {{under review}} tag at the top.
--Pi zero (talk) 03:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Pi zero....Thanks for the necessary support. The experience has been entirely different from Wikiepdia. Anyways, Kudos!!! I will get back to you.

--Abhinav619 (talk) 04:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

And thanks for all the support, please make sure the article is aired.

--Abhinav619 (talk) 05:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Indian Prime Minister accuses Pakistan of waging proxy war‎[edit]

I have made modifications to the first paragraph. Apologies again...Still new to this world, it takes time to get used to the process. What else is required for the news to be aired. Indian Prime Minister accuses Pakistan of waging proxy war --Abhinav619 (talk) 02:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Heh. We stepped on each other's toes. I'd started to review the article, when you started editing. I guess you didn't see the {{under review}} tag; we've tried to make it prominent so it won't be missed, but I know first-hand that when everything about a site is new it's easy to miss things simply because you don't know what to expect to find.
Honestly, that review I started to do was a long shot; I'd been unable to review during the day today, and was hoping against hope I'd be able to do a review this evening. Truth is, though, I'm rapidly falling apart; I stayed up into the wee hours of the morning to finish last night's review, and I probably shouldn't have done that; just a few years ago I could get away with that sort of thing, but I don't bounce back from all-nighters so easily now. Hopefully I'll be able to pick it up in the morning (though I can already see a problem looming irl for tomorrow morning that might throw a monkey wrench into that plan). --Pi zero (talk) 02:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Four arrested after building spire in Moscow painted in Ukrainian colors[edit]

Thanks for reviewing and publishing the article. Admittedly, it's been a while since I wrote an article on this site, so I hope it turned out alright. Anything I need to improve on? (Iuio (talk) 19:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC))

Overall, I thought it well written. If I had to recall details I'd have to consult the edit history. --Pi zero (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I admit I used to have the mindset that everything on all the sources should be included in the synthesis article to make it a true synthesis article, but that might be deviating from the point too much. I recall that some of the sources had stuff on the pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine, but I sort of left it out in the synthesis article even though it was tangentially related to the incident, since I thought it was too out of place. (Iuio (talk) 20:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC))
It's not uncommon to list a source in order to get just one fact from it. (Although in that case it's also helpful to leave a note to that effect for the reviewer, either on the talk page or as an html comment.) --Pi zero (talk) 21:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


Something wrong? --sasha (krassotkin) 14:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

No. We'd been wondering how the software handles interactions/conflicts between Wikidata interwikis and explicit interwikis on a page, so as the most straightforward and decisive way to determine that, I was trying some experiments. --Pi zero (talk) 14:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Clear. I check correctness of inrewiki manually. At the same time I try to involve to this work active users (who follow the history of edits) and their bots from other projects. --sasha (krassotkin) 15:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users[edit]

Dear Pi zero,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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GTA V PC Cancellation Article[edit]

Hello Pizero, is it possible for someone to write the article for me? I don't speak english that well. The sources are there, so are all the information. It just needs some grammar and thats it. Thanks! (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, it seemed as if there's a bigger problem with the article; but if you're having difficulty with the language, perhaps there is something about the story I'm not realizing.
There aren't a lot of Wikinews writers around, currently. I can ask around, but that sort of thing often doesn't work out. It's hard to get collaborators together for news, because everything has to happen in a short time. --Pi zero (talk) 21:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

The sources are there, I have the theme of the article written, can you please try and find someone to publish? I'm using google translate because I cannot write 100% correctly the article. This is a viral topic and would love for Wiki to get a lot of traffic and recognition for reporting this also. Thanks so much! (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

professional consultation[edit]

Dear Pi Zero,

I would first like to thank you dearly for the time and thought you have invested in me and in my articles, for your guidance and help with verbalization. I feel that I have come a long way in the site, and much of this is thanks to you and your observations. Every time I strive to implement the lessons I've learned from your previous comments, and they help me improve in style, NPOV and professionalism.

In Palestine, where I live, there are significant events that change daily and affect the lives of many people. This environment has had a great influence on me and my aspiration to become a reporter since I was a child. This is why over a year ago, when I was 28 years old, I decided to try and make my dream come true and started working voluntarily as a reporter, seeing it as a mission.

I chose to do this on Wikinews because I believe in the vision of The Wikimedia Foundation and its importance. The more progress I make in the site, upload articles and improve my abilities, I feel great satisfaction from the privilege to contribute to the project.

I started my path on Wikinews in the Arabic site, where nine of my articles were published. I later moved to the English Wikinews website, where more than 20 of my articles have been published. I have done my best to improve from one article to the next, and indeed over time the number of comments I got has decreased and I managed to publish articles more frequently. During the last few months, with tensions rising in Palestine and the war in Gaza, I feel strongly encouraged to report about what is happening in the region. I have even cut down on my working hours and dedicated more of my time and effort to writing articles and publishing them online.

It should be mentioned that in addition to writing articles based on a variety of new sources, for a while now I have been trying to write an original report for the site. I have tried to initiate interviews with Palestinian politicians such as former Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei and the renowned politician Hanan Ashrawi, among other Palestinian politicians. Though I contacted everyone on the phone as well as through the email, I have unfortunately received only negative responses and refusals on their and their spokespersons' behalf. I believe that the people I will contact in the future may take me more seriously and agree to take part in interviews with me if I am first recognized as an accredited reporter on behalf of Wikinews and I am able to present a document and an email to prove it. I'd like to hear your opinion on that matter - according to your experience, can I advance in the field of reporting and apply a request to be certified as a Wikinews reporter?

Another issue I would like your comments on is reporting about occurrences outside Palestine. Although all of the articles I've published so far focus on the events that take place in Palestine, you are surely aware that there are many Palestinians living abroad in many other countries, and I am quite knowledgeable in the happenings in those places too. I'd like to know whether you think I should stretch my boundaries to these areas or continue to specialize in Palestine?

With great thanks and appreciation,

Yusuf Alsheikh —The preceding comment was added by Yusuf Alsheikh (talkcontribs) 14:39, 31 August 2014

Yes, I've noticed your improvement over time. I'm glad you get satisfaction out of your contributions to Wikinews; wikis are driven by idealism, and Wikinews moves forward (despite considerable technical challenges, which we strive to find ways to alleviate) because good journalism is an inspiring ideal.
I do have a concern, regarding your plan to use en.wn accreditation for interviews with Palestinian politicians. As I recall, in recent times you've still sometimes had some difficulties with neutrality. Keep in mind, if en.wn accredits you, we are vouching for your conduct. There are some remarks at WN:OR about neutral interviews, and some good examples at Category:Interview (some going back quite a few years); you might also consider posting a query to one of the water coolers — perhaps the assistance water cooler — asking for advice about conducting neutral interviews, and conducting interviews in general. I'm not sure how quickly you'd get responses, but you're sure to get more responses, more quickly, if you ask than if you don't :-).
Pursuing these things would likely help you with a subsequent application for en.wn accreditation.
As for advantages to you from accreditation, the simplest is that, once accredited, you would get an email account at wikinewsie dot org, the non-WMF site maintained for some years now by User:Brian McNeil for various Wikinews-related purposes. Anyone you approach for an interview is going to take you more seriously when you contact them from an address ending with "at wikinewsie dot org" than from an address ending in, say, "at gmail dot com" or "at hotmail dot com". It just looks more professional. And you can identify yourself in your email as an accredited English Wikinews reporter, perhaps in your email signature, and link to WN:Credential verification. There were some efforts made, a while back, toward accreditation cards of some sort; I'm not sure what actually happened, or what the current status of that is, but likely Brian McNeil could tell you.
If you wish to write about Palestinians around the world, I see no necessary difficulty in doing so. As I recall, I had a review concern this summer about one article you wrote about Palestinian protests around the world because it seemed one-sided, which would certainly be something to watch out for. --Pi zero (talk) 16:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Writing "for the enemy" is hard. The more you care about a subject, the harder it becomes to not treat those who you tend to agree with favourably. Similarly, the harder it is not to treat those you disagree with with contempt.
Actual accreditation cards fell-through, although I still have the last biz card design templates kicking around somewhere. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Pi Zero, thanks for your honest and supportive notes. i shall take your advice into consideration. I'll try to consult with the water coolers and do my best to create a balanced OR. Additionally, I'll continue to write articles while striving to achieve the neutrality that is required of every journalist.
Brian McNeil, thank you for your understanding and support.
Thank you both for your guidance and the thorough comments to my last article. I re-edited the article based on your comments, but when I entered the site to upload it I saw it had already been published, thanks to another editor. --Yusuf Alsheikh / talk 16:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


Hey. This sitelink is redundant, because it is redirect to category namespace and it is in this item. Rzuwig 20:01, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Rzuwig: as I remarked at Wikidata project chat, there appears to be a difference between the purpose of Wikidata — building an ontology, if I understand correctly — and the purpose of inerwikis. The purpose of an interwiki is to allow the user to navigate easily to the analogous page on another project. In this case, however, the redirect makes this mapping asymmetric: our Russian portal has, as its effective Russian analog, the Russian Category:Russia, while the Russian Category:Russia has as its English analog our English Category:Russia. It would seem unfair to Russian Wikinews to pretend it has no analogous page, just because the mapping back to English is asymmetric. But what that implies about Wikidata structure, you would know more about that I would. I'm concerned with the interwikis themselves, however they are accomplished. --Pi zero (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki links for news[edit]

Please see current proposal for interwiki linking for separate news: d:Wikidata talk:Wikinews#instance of (P31) and example for Russia accused of supporting Ukrainian rebels' advance (d:Q17812922). In my opinion it looks good. What do you think about this? Answer there please. --sasha (krassotkin) 19:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind making a decision re: this FA nomination?[edit]

I say 'no' based upon yours/author's comments........however, since I said 'yes' some time back, it'd be weird (in the very least) for me to say 'no' now. Brazzaville picks up the pieces after ammo depot explosion --Bddpaux (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I can maybe take a look tonight and see what I think.
The thing is, if I were to decide to clear it of my objection and vote in favor, it still wouldn't have enough support yet in my opinion; I believe my comment has been discouraging votes from it. So if I vote in favor it stays open; and if I don't, well... I suppose I could close it as "no consensus", but that seems kind of lame. Hm. --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
(postscript: I prefer five votes in favor to pass, four in a pinch.) --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

New to Wikinews[edit]

I am pretty new to this sister project. I need your help on urgent basis. Can you get me some very good articles on War and Peace. The article that I have published so far, just do not meet the quality which others meet. Secondly, How do i quote someone on WIkinews, example a statement made by X leader. Lastly, are you an Indian? asking out of curiosity, both zero and pie were discovered in India. --Abhinav619 (talk) 09:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The first place to look for examples of high-quality articles is Category:Featured article. Although featured articles are most often OR, there are some synthesis, too (and even a few photo essays); here's a list (this should work) of
There are some good examples of quoting people in those featured synthesis articles.
If those examples aren't what you're looking for, or don't help, let me know.
I"m in the North American Eastern Time Zone (currently UTC-4, switching in a few weeks to UTC-5 for the winter). So my local time is about ten hours behind India's (plus or minus half a hour).
I'm partial to apple pie, myself. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 13:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)