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Brian McNeil

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professional consultation[edit]

Dear Pi Zero,

I would first like to thank you dearly for the time and thought you have invested in me and in my articles, for your guidance and help with verbalization. I feel that I have come a long way in the site, and much of this is thanks to you and your observations. Every time I strive to implement the lessons I've learned from your previous comments, and they help me improve in style, NPOV and professionalism.

In Palestine, where I live, there are significant events that change daily and affect the lives of many people. This environment has had a great influence on me and my aspiration to become a reporter since I was a child. This is why over a year ago, when I was 28 years old, I decided to try and make my dream come true and started working voluntarily as a reporter, seeing it as a mission.

I chose to do this on Wikinews because I believe in the vision of The Wikimedia Foundation and its importance. The more progress I make in the site, upload articles and improve my abilities, I feel great satisfaction from the privilege to contribute to the project.

I started my path on Wikinews in the Arabic site, where nine of my articles were published. I later moved to the English Wikinews website, where more than 20 of my articles have been published. I have done my best to improve from one article to the next, and indeed over time the number of comments I got has decreased and I managed to publish articles more frequently. During the last few months, with tensions rising in Palestine and the war in Gaza, I feel strongly encouraged to report about what is happening in the region. I have even cut down on my working hours and dedicated more of my time and effort to writing articles and publishing them online.

It should be mentioned that in addition to writing articles based on a variety of new sources, for a while now I have been trying to write an original report for the site. I have tried to initiate interviews with Palestinian politicians such as former Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei and the renowned politician Hanan Ashrawi, among other Palestinian politicians. Though I contacted everyone on the phone as well as through the email, I have unfortunately received only negative responses and refusals on their and their spokespersons' behalf. I believe that the people I will contact in the future may take me more seriously and agree to take part in interviews with me if I am first recognized as an accredited reporter on behalf of Wikinews and I am able to present a document and an email to prove it. I'd like to hear your opinion on that matter - according to your experience, can I advance in the field of reporting and apply a request to be certified as a Wikinews reporter?

Another issue I would like your comments on is reporting about occurrences outside Palestine. Although all of the articles I've published so far focus on the events that take place in Palestine, you are surely aware that there are many Palestinians living abroad in many other countries, and I am quite knowledgeable in the happenings in those places too. I'd like to know whether you think I should stretch my boundaries to these areas or continue to specialize in Palestine?

With great thanks and appreciation,

Yusuf Alsheikh —The preceding comment was added by Yusuf Alsheikh (talkcontribs) 14:39, 31 August 2014

Yes, I've noticed your improvement over time. I'm glad you get satisfaction out of your contributions to Wikinews; wikis are driven by idealism, and Wikinews moves forward (despite considerable technical challenges, which we strive to find ways to alleviate) because good journalism is an inspiring ideal.
I do have a concern, regarding your plan to use en.wn accreditation for interviews with Palestinian politicians. As I recall, in recent times you've still sometimes had some difficulties with neutrality. Keep in mind, if en.wn accredits you, we are vouching for your conduct. There are some remarks at WN:OR about neutral interviews, and some good examples at Category:Interview (some going back quite a few years); you might also consider posting a query to one of the water coolers — perhaps the assistance water cooler — asking for advice about conducting neutral interviews, and conducting interviews in general. I'm not sure how quickly you'd get responses, but you're sure to get more responses, more quickly, if you ask than if you don't :-).
Pursuing these things would likely help you with a subsequent application for en.wn accreditation.
As for advantages to you from accreditation, the simplest is that, once accredited, you would get an email account at wikinewsie dot org, the non-WMF site maintained for some years now by User:Brian McNeil for various Wikinews-related purposes. Anyone you approach for an interview is going to take you more seriously when you contact them from an address ending with "at wikinewsie dot org" than from an address ending in, say, "at gmail dot com" or "at hotmail dot com". It just looks more professional. And you can identify yourself in your email as an accredited English Wikinews reporter, perhaps in your email signature, and link to WN:Credential verification. There were some efforts made, a while back, toward accreditation cards of some sort; I'm not sure what actually happened, or what the current status of that is, but likely Brian McNeil could tell you.
If you wish to write about Palestinians around the world, I see no necessary difficulty in doing so. As I recall, I had a review concern this summer about one article you wrote about Palestinian protests around the world because it seemed one-sided, which would certainly be something to watch out for. --Pi zero (talk) 16:05, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Writing "for the enemy" is hard. The more you care about a subject, the harder it becomes to not treat those who you tend to agree with favourably. Similarly, the harder it is not to treat those you disagree with with contempt.
Actual accreditation cards fell-through, although I still have the last biz card design templates kicking around somewhere. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Pi Zero, thanks for your honest and supportive notes. I shall take your advice into consideration. I'll try to consult with the water coolers and do my best to create a balanced OR. Additionally, I'll continue to write articles while striving to achieve the neutrality that is required of every journalist.
Brian McNeil, thank you for your understanding and support.
Thank you both for your guidance and the thorough comments to my last article. I re-edited the article based on your comments, but when I entered the site to upload it I saw it had already been published, thanks to another editor. --Yusuf Alsheikh / talk 16:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


Hey. This sitelink is redundant, because it is redirect to category namespace and it is in this item. Rzuwig 20:01, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Rzuwig: as I remarked at Wikidata project chat, there appears to be a difference between the purpose of Wikidata — building an ontology, if I understand correctly — and the purpose of inerwikis. The purpose of an interwiki is to allow the user to navigate easily to the analogous page on another project. In this case, however, the redirect makes this mapping asymmetric: our Russian portal has, as its effective Russian analog, the Russian Category:Russia, while the Russian Category:Russia has as its English analog our English Category:Russia. It would seem unfair to Russian Wikinews to pretend it has no analogous page, just because the mapping back to English is asymmetric. But what that implies about Wikidata structure, you would know more about that I would. I'm concerned with the interwikis themselves, however they are accomplished. --Pi zero (talk) 20:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Interwiki links for news[edit]

Please see current proposal for interwiki linking for separate news: d:Wikidata talk:Wikinews#instance of (P31) and example for Russia accused of supporting Ukrainian rebels' advance (d:Q17812922). In my opinion it looks good. What do you think about this? Answer there please. --sasha (krassotkin) 19:18, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Would you mind making a decision re: this FA nomination?[edit]

I say 'no' based upon yours/author's comments........however, since I said 'yes' some time back, it'd be weird (in the very least) for me to say 'no' now. Brazzaville picks up the pieces after ammo depot explosion --Bddpaux (talk) 21:23, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

I can maybe take a look tonight and see what I think.
The thing is, if I were to decide to clear it of my objection and vote in favor, it still wouldn't have enough support yet in my opinion; I believe my comment has been discouraging votes from it. So if I vote in favor it stays open; and if I don't, well... I suppose I could close it as "no consensus", but that seems kind of lame. Hm. --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
(postscript: I prefer five votes in favor to pass, four in a pinch.) --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

New to Wikinews[edit]

I am pretty new to this sister project. I need your help on urgent basis. Can you get me some very good articles on War and Peace. The article that I have published so far, just do not meet the quality which others meet. Secondly, How do i quote someone on WIkinews, example a statement made by X leader. Lastly, are you an Indian? asking out of curiosity, both zero and pie were discovered in India. --Abhinav619 (talk) 09:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The first place to look for examples of high-quality articles is Category:Featured article. Although featured articles are most often OR, there are some synthesis, too (and even a few photo essays); here's a list (this should work) of
There are some good examples of quoting people in those featured synthesis articles.
If those examples aren't what you're looking for, or don't help, let me know.
I"m in the North American Eastern Time Zone (currently UTC-4, switching in a few weeks to UTC-5 for the winter). So my local time is about ten hours behind India's (plus or minus half a hour).
I'm partial to apple pie, myself. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 13:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


@Nikebrand I would if I could. They've taken away the ability of bureaucrats to rename users. I think it's taken care of now somewhere on meta, but frankly I can't find it. Even the page on meta about renaming users makes the — now, apparently, false — statement that local bureaucrats can do it. --Pi zero (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
For the sake of it, the page is meta:Steward requests/Username changes. —Mikemoral♪♫ 03:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

My, my, my...........[edit]'ve certainly given someone a bit of a gastric bleed! What with your standards and what-not!  :] --Bddpaux (talk) 22:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Alas, I don't think the language barrier is enough to explain goings on. But, we'll see what develops.
The notice at the top of my page that my user name has been mentioned on 32 pages is... rather annoying. --Pi zero (talk) 22:41, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Category:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia[edit]

Thanks for your help at Category:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia.

Is there a way to add a param to display Wikidata, the link is but some sites link via the name and some via the number ID.

-- Cirt (talk) 00:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

The wikidata parameter was added to the template for a while, then I had doubts and commented in out (diff), and lately I've been thinking it should be uncommented. --Pi zero (talk) 00:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, there's a slot for Wikinews by default over at the Wikidata pages, not sure how it's used yet, but you could try asking over there on that site to get more info. I think it's very useful, overall! -- Cirt (talk) 00:44, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
At any rate, I've reenabled the wikidata parameter on the template. --Pi zero (talk) 00:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Ah, okay, thank you! Hope you're doing well, -- Cirt (talk) 02:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Why are being not fresh articles are not deleted immediately?[edit]

--Nikebrand (talk) 18:18, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Published articles, of course, go into our archive and are kept forever; our archive is a valuable resource, and grows more valuable with time and with each additional article published. (Commercial news sites tend, sooner or later, to put their archives behind paywalls.) Each article in our archives is a snapshot in time, of what an event looked like at the time it happened — that is, it was fresh at the time it was published.
Articles that are already stale when written, we do not publish; freshness is part of the definition of news (see WN:Newsworthiness). However, if the author of the article is sincerely trying to produce publishable articles, we usually wouldn't immediately delete it for anything less than blatant copyright violation or libel. If the author is sincerely trying to produce publishable articles, and the author is continuing to work on an article even though they know there is something about the article that prevents it from being publishable, then presumably they are attempting to fix the problem. If they conclude the problem is not fixable, presumably they'll stop working on it, and after a while it'll be deleted as abandoned. --Pi zero (talk) 18:57, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
This rule is real and I have to understand this here. The US science knows anyhow all in their secret archives much better. But it makes a sense to learn English without teachers or payments and Wikimedia is a motivation. The official learning matters are so boring. I will create the next article about Nuremberg versus RB Leipzig as soon as possible. It takes place in the future. --Nikebrand (talk) 20:45, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Nikebrand, you may find WN:Article wizard of interest. --Pi zero (talk) 21:17, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
  1. Confirmed. --Nikebrand (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

RE: Brazil reports first suspected Ebola case[edit]

Sorry my bad english, no speak native english. Problems in my notice? Sorry. This was completed. Saskeh (talk) 22:32, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

use present tenses !only! --Nikebrand (talk) 23:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

???? Saskeh (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, Pi zero. Saskeh (talk) 23:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

RE: Synthesis articles[edit]

Sorry if my english is not good for you. Got it in your case "synthesis news/articles", but go to straight to the point: sources and news can be played here, as are the Creative Commons (CC), but how can I proceed in this case? Saskeh (talk) 17:57, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

First, you need a focus that is fresh. The focus of the first article, Brazil reports first suspected Ebola case, is now four days ago, so it isn't fresh. It looks as if the focus of the second article, Second test proves Guinea man in Brazil does not have Ebola, is only one day old. Right now, that is still fresh.
Second, you need at least two sources, that are independent of each other. You have one source article, from Agência Brasil. So you need a second source article, that was written independently of the one you have. You should be able to find other articles about the same focus, independent of the one you have, by searching a news aggregator, such as gnews, for keywords "Ebola Brazil".
Third, you need to write your article in your own words. This may be difficult for you if you have trouble writing in English. Remember, you mustn't copy phrases from the source articles (if a source is in English), and you mustn't simply translate phrases into English (if a source is in another language). --Pi zero (talk) 18:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)