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The recent reports by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) about discovering a tunnel in a child's bedroom in Rafah, supposedly used by Hamas, and the subsequent killing of militants near a school, should be viewed with deep skepticism. These narratives, often disseminated by the IDF, appear to be strategic attempts to sugarcoat their actions and present themselves as defenders of innocence. However, the reality is far from what these reports suggest.

The world must recognize the brutal truth: the IDF has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians, including women, children, and the elderly. Their operations, often justified under the guise of security measures, have led to widespread suffering and loss of innocent lives. Reports of IDF actions frequently overlook or minimize these atrocities, painting a misleading picture of innocence.

It is crucial that the global community sees through these deceptions. The true victims of this conflict are not the militants but the countless civilians who endure daily violence, terror, and displacement. The IDF's actions should not be sanitized or excused; they must be condemned for the barbarity and inhumanity inflicted upon innocent people.

Fortunately, there is a growing awareness worldwide of these injustices. The global community is beginning to see the IDF for what they truly are: perpetrators of violence against vulnerable populations. It is imperative to continue shedding light on these truths and advocating for justice and accountability.

The world must stand in solidarity with the victims and demand an end to the bloodshed. It is only through collective action and unwavering commitment to human rights that we can hope to bring about meaningful change and hold those responsible accountable for their actions.

"appear to be strategic attempts to sugarcoat their actions and present themselves as defenders of innocence" - So, by fighting the enemy and saying they shouldn't use child's bedroom's for terror tunnels, this is bad? "the IDF has been responsible for the deaths of thousands of civilians" - Any idea why? Because Hamas does things like hiding in children's bedrooms. "often justified under the guise of security measures" - In other words, they killed terrorists, under the "guise" of them being at war with said terrorists. "have led to widespread suffering and loss of innocent live" - An unfortunate truth of every war. "The true victims of this conflict are not the militants but the countless civilians who endure daily violence, terror, and displacement" - Indeed the true victims are those killed on October 7 in the terror attacks and those Gazan civilians (some of whom who are innocent) that Hamas caused to be killed. Agree with you there. "Reports of IDF actions frequently overlook or minimize these atrocities" - You mean the non-existent ones. Hard to not overlook something that doesn't exist. "painting a misleading picture of innocence" - So the people who are guilty are the ones who got attacked and are fighting against terrorists, not the people who are terrorist and kill civilians on every side. "IDF's actions should not be sanitized or excused" - No, they should be applauded. "they must be condemned for the barbarity and inhumanity inflicted upon innocent people" - Unless you mean Hamas, this is a blatant lie not supported by facts "there is a growing awareness worldwide of these injustices" - Yes, there are more people kidnapping heads of schools of fake war crimes on college campuses. Well that's the best thing that ever happened. "IDF for what they truly are: perpetrators of violence against vulnerable populations" - The terrorists aren't that vulnerable. "It is imperative to continue shedding light on these truths and advocating for justice and accountability" - For Hamas "The world must stand in solidarity with the victims" of October 7 "demand an end to the bloodshed" - This need never have started if terrorists didn't come and kill thousands. "It is only through collective action and unwavering commitment to human rights that we can hope to bring about meaningful change and hold those responsible accountable for their actions" - which is why we must, together, condemn and defund Hamas. @004bvan:

First of all, there is no evidence that Hamas is hiding in children’s bedrooms. This claim is often used as a justification for the actions of the IDF. Secondly, the IDF has bombed hospitals. Were there any Hamas operatives in those hospitals? They have also bombed refugee camps. Is there evidence that Hamas groups were there?

You say they kill terrorists, and by terrorists, you mean Hamas, right? But they’ve been collectively punishing the Gazan people for two decades, even before Hamas was there. This collective punishment has created immense suffering for the civilian population, turning daily life into a struggle for survival. Hamas emerged as a resistance movement to the Israeli invasion and the atrocities committed against their land and people.

You argue that civilian casualties are an unfortunate reality of war, but you fail to address the targeted gassing of civilians. More than 40,000 people have been killed, most of whom are children and women, not Hamas operatives.

You claimed there are no existing atrocities, which is surprising. It seems like you’re only looking at pro-Israeli news. Have you ever looked at the pro-Palestinian perspective? I’ve seen videos and media from both sides, and many of the pro-Israeli claims don’t hold up. For instance, they claimed children were beheaded, but where are the photos, the footage, the videos? Why haven’t they shown them? On the other hand, I’ve seen with my own eyes the beheaded babies in the Rafah refugee camp. The evidence of these atrocities is real and undeniable.

You are blaming people who are fighting for their land and labeling them as terrorists. The people in Gaza are defending their homes and their lives against ongoing aggression and occupation. It’s important to recognize their right to resist and not simply dismiss them as terrorists. The real issue here is the collective punishment and the disproportionate response that affects countless innocent civilians, not just those involved in the conflict.

Finally, if Hamas members were hiding in a hospital in Tel Aviv or in a children’s bedroom in Israel, would the Israeli military bomb the entire neighborhood to target those individuals? It’s highly unlikely. The methods and decisions in conflict zones need to be scrutinized for fairness and humanity.

Understanding these dynamics is crucial for any meaningful dialogue about peace and justice. We must focus on ending the oppression and finding paths to genuine peace and justice.

"there is no evidence that Hamas is hiding in children’s bedrooms. This claim is often used as a justification for the actions of the IDF" - There's more evidence for it than there is when Hamas says that Israel strikes a school or something. "Were there any Hamas operatives in those hospitals" - Yes, many. Hospitals and schools (and somewhat refugee camps) tend to have the most Hamas militants. "They have also bombed refugee camps. Is there evidence that Hamas groups were there?" - Yes. How could most hostages rescued have been held by Hamas there then, if nothing else? "You say they kill terrorists, and by terrorists, you mean Hamas, right" - Correct. "they’ve been collectively punishing the Gazan people for two decades, even before Hamas was there" - No, they haven't. But, it turns out that when you hide in a hospital and attack civilians (on both sides) from a hospital, sometimes innocents get killed when trying to get you out of that hospital. "This collective punishment has created immense suffering for the civilian population, turning daily life into a struggle for survival" - Unfortunately, yes, Hamas forcing civilians to be human shields has made life a struggle for survival. "Hamas emerged as a resistance movement to the Israeli invasion" - Israel withdrew in 2006, before Hamas existed. Then, Hamas attacked them in 2008, 2012, 2014, 2021, and then finally in 2023. At some point, they had enough and started liberating Gaza. You mixed up time here. "you fail to address the targeted gassing of civilians" - What targetted gassing. Haven't heard of this. "More than 40,000 people have been killed, most of whom are children and women, not Hamas operatives." - Even according to Hamas that many people haven't been killed. Also, Hamas inflates it's civilian casualties for PR. Also, Hamas disguises themselves as women and children. "You claimed there are no existing atrocities" - No, I stated a fact obvious to everyone not a far-left communist or a Muslim Jihadist. "Have you ever looked at the pro-Palestinian perspective" - Yes. I then found out that many of there claims were nonsense. Like for example Hamas blamed Israel for striking a hospital and killing 500, when in fact they intentionally struck there own hospital for PR. "they claimed children were beheaded, but where are the photos, the footage, the videos" - Look up the October 7 footage. Watch it in full, please. Then you'll understand. "I’ve seen with my own eyes the beheaded babies in the Rafah refugee camp" - Those babies, at least many of them, were actually beheading my Hamas for PR. And also Rafah is a city, not a refugee camp. Eilat is just as much of an Israeli refugee camp. "You are blaming people who are fighting for their land and labeling them as terrorists" - People who murder civilians brutally on every side are terrorists. Also, its not their land. There was never a state called Palestine. Tell me, who was the leader of this Palestine before Arafat? "The people in Gaza are defending their homes and their lives against ongoing aggression and occupation" - Some of them are defending themselves from Hamas. Not enough. "It’s important to recognize their right to resist and not simply dismiss them as terrorists" - They're right to resist ends at rape, murder, and torture. "The real issue here is the collective punishment and the disproportionate response that affects countless innocent civilians" - Heres an unfortunate fact. The people of Gaza democratically elected Hamas. That means that (most of them) support Hamas. The Hamas terrorist does the bidding of the average Gazan. While I really don't think there is that much collective punishment, it's hardly unreasonable. Also, the response is not disproportionate. If you attack someone, they fight back. "if Hamas members were hiding in a hospital in Tel Aviv or in a children’s bedroom in Israel, would the Israeli military bomb the entire neighborhood to target those individuals" - Maybe. The IDF did accidently kill some Israelis when trying to drive Hamas out of it's territory on October 7. But, also, consider this. As a democracy (like all democracies), the Israeli government cares more about what they're people think then what Gazan terrorists do. That's just how democracy works. "The methods and decisions in conflict zones need to be scrutinized for fairness and humanity" - Don't you think Israel does that? Do you know how many operations they've aborted to due risk to a few civilians? Countless. You just don't hear about them because they are less likely to get people to click on them. "Understanding these dynamics is crucial for any meaningful dialogue about peace and justice" - Yes, understanding why a terrorist organization is wrong and democracy is right isn't too hard though. Do you also think this about Al-Qaeda, that theyre innocent freedom fighters? ISIS, Al-Qaeda, and Hamas are the same with slightly different targets. "We must focus on ending the oppression and finding paths to genuine peace and justice" - The only way to do so is by eliminateing Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and all other terror groups, as well as liberating Iran and returning the power back to the people of Iran. @004bvan:

Hamas built a secret tunnel in child's bedroom, is sickening!!!

100%. It happens a lot, see [1] or [2] for examples. @BigKrow:

Ohh i know its in other news outlets almost everyday.

And yet everyone still thinks they are innocent freedom fighters, and Israel is the only one violating human rights

@BigKrow: