Talk:Boxing great Muhammed Ali dies aged 74

Cassius Clay

• He was born Cassius Clay, but he changed his name. The lede is wrong on that point. --Pi zero (talk) 22:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Review of revision 4221586 [Not ready]

Revision 4221586 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 23:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not ready: See below. Comments by reviewer: His changing his name, and the circumstances of his doing so, was an important aspect of his life; all three sources mention it. One oughtn't mention his birth name without explaining that, and one ought to mention that his name for the larger part of his life was not his birth name. The article was originally submitted without mention of his birth name. A mention was added but was incorrect and I removed it; there would have been no way, within my purview as an independent reviewer, to modify it into a sufficient explanation of the relation between the two names. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

Revision 4221586 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 23:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues. Style: Not ready: See below. Comments by reviewer: His changing his name, and the circumstances of his doing so, was an important aspect of his life; all three sources mention it. One oughtn't mention his birth name without explaining that, and one ought to mention that his name for the larger part of his life was not his birth name. The article was originally submitted without mention of his birth name. A mention was added but was incorrect and I removed it; there would have been no way, within my purview as an independent reviewer, to modify it into a sufficient explanation of the relation between the two names. Questions about the above? Ask. If possible, please address the above issues then resubmit the article for another review (by replacing {{tasks}} in the article with {{review}}). This talk page will be updated with subsequent reviews.

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Revision 4221657 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 02:29, 5 June 2016 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: None added. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Name spelled incorrectly

It is supposed to be Muhammad Ali. Stevietheman (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Well, yes. I noticed it before it was published. But both the spellings are acceptable and sources mention spellings with a and E as well.
acagastya 16:13, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree, both spellings are correct, however there are no vowels in hebrew language, therefore the word used in the Song of Solomon to indicate “beloved” which is mekhmad - מחמד (MHMD) but in hebrew could be mistaken as the name of the Muslim prophet Mohammed which means “praiseworthy” in Arabic. Of course, it can also be spelled Muhamed or Muchamed as in Slavic lingos. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by AliVsRocky (talk • contribs) 00:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

It is an Arabic name, and Arabic has harakat. That entire part about vowels is hence incorrect.
•–• 21:39, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Neutrality problems...

The non-neutral statements are in bold for reminding;

Often considered the greatest boxer of all time, Ali was the world heavyweight champion in the 1960s and 1970s. His famous fights with George Foreman in 1974 when he won his title back and against Joe Frazier are considered by many as two of the greatest fights in the sport's history. Ali had also defeated Sonny Liston to claim the championship title.

I have questions;

• Who considers Ali to be the greatest boxer of all time? Because saying that he is often considered to be the greatest boxer of all time is a weasel supporting a peacock, and that is not NPOV.
• I don't think the word famous is necessary to describe his fighting. Adjectives need not apply, except for colors and shapes. Writing that a source says that X is great is better than just writing that X is great.
• Who considers those two fights to be the greatest in fighting history? This is also a weasel supporting a peacock. That isn't NPOV either. Wikinews has a strict NPOV policy like Wikipedia.

If you think that usage is justified by the sources, then I think we should attribute those opinions to the sources. I may have to realize this is a news place and not an encyclopedia. (I'm blocked indefinitely from both English Wikipedias for persistent disruption (I was trying to make Wikipedia articles more neutral and many editors didn't like what I did) and I refuse to associate any emails with my account because I prefer to appeal blocks intra-wiki and I don't ever respond to email messages) But I still think that we shouldn't write that genocide is an evil action and instead say that genocide has been described by John X as being the epitome of human evil. I don't think we should say that Hillary Clinton is evil; we should list her crimes and cite reliable sources from a neutral point of view. --Turkeybutt JC (talk) 13:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Messi, Maradona, Maldini, Pelé and Ronaldinho are often considered one of the best footballers ever. There is no point of violation of NPOV policy. And the same goes for this.
acagastya 18:32, 12 September 2016 (UTC)