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I did not delete your comment. LQT can be a confusing interface, especially with an old article where the comments page hadn't already been created; I moved your comment from the comments page itself, which should never be edited once created, to a thread. I then replied, since I found your comment interesting and worth responding to. Sorry about the confusion; I really should have devised a good edit summary on my reversion of the edit to the comments page. --Pi zero (talk) 14:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I have some questions;
  • What does LQT stand for? What is LQT?
  • I can't find my post in the article's collaboration page. Where is my post? You said you moved it to where it's supposed to be.

--Turkeybutt JC (talk) 14:19, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

LQT is the abbreviation for Liquid Threads. It's a wiki extension to provide a comments interface. It's old and creaky, and really no longer supported. Even if it worked better it would be totally inappropriate for serious discussions. We all love to hate it — but, I've heard from folks who were on Wikinews before it was introduced here, it's much better for people who come by and want to comment on our articles but know nothing about wikis. Apparently, before LQT, Wikinewsies spent a tremendous amount of time fixing badly formatted comments.

As an incidental matter of interest: the only thing I know of on wikimedia that Flow actually might be suitable for, if it were fixed up (a lot), would be the sort of opinions pages we use LQT for on Wikinews; but we discussed that here some time back and agreed that Flow as it exists would be grossly inferior to LQT. In the long run, it may make sense to replace LQT with a more purely wiki-based comments interface built on wikidialog. --Pi zero (talk) 14:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm bored... is there any articles in need of neutralizing? Thanks. --Turkeybutt (talk) 15:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[edit]

Heh. When I first came to Wikinews, there were more active contributors, and I was able to get involved by copyediting other people's articles; but at the moment we're less active (though I have long-range plans to try to fix that), so really the main thing available for a newcomer to do is to try to learn to write an article. I started small myself; one day I decided, there hasn't been much published lately, so it's time for me to try writing something — and then it took me a couple of days before I found a news story that spoke to me, that I cared enough to want to share. The result was Robbery suspect flees on riding mower, which came out okay although I'll always regret that I didn't poke around Commons and find a file photo of a riding mower to put on it (pretty much any article can be enhanced by having a relevant picture, even if it's only generically relevant).

If you're at all curious about what's involved in writing here, I'd suggest starting with WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing, which is a compact overview of what we try to do. There's a good tutorial on writing a first article at WN:Writing an article; and I also once tried to write an article wizard in the same style as the Wikipedia article wizard, but I was frustrated because I felt it really should be interactive, and so I ended up setting that aside to start developing the interactivity software I felt the wikis really should have (what imho the Foundation would be spending their effort on instead of Flow, VisualEditor, and whatnot if they really had a sense for the pulse of the sisterhood). --Pi zero (talk) 16:53, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

One advice[edit]

If you are bored, do something in your userspace. You are not helping. And your edits are ruining the Recent Changes page.
acagastya 18:34, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

How does @Floquenbeam: manage to stay out of the Wiki anti-disruption radar?[edit]

Hi Floquenbeam, I'm sorry about the persistent disruption. I promise not to intentionally disrupt Wikipedia again. But I'm wondering how you managed to keep a zero-mistake perfect record on Wikipedia. Because I turned on the feature that highlights potentially disruptive edits and when I checked my contributions, I found out that almost every edit to articles that I make in the name of NPOV is highlighted as potentially disruptive. I went to the list of your contributions, and I found out that none of your edits are highlighted as potentially disruptive, now I'm left with a question; how did you get it right from the start of your account? I know that Wikipedians should follow examples provided by policy rather than be examples for other editors to follow, because no one is perfect. I may be wrong, and you could be right. But the vice versa can be true. Everyone likes to hear good news about themselves and not bad news. No one likes blocks but no one likes getting proven wrong either. I may go crazy, make mistakes or make a bunch of dumb complaints but that shouldn't be a cause of any preventative or punitive measures. I am autistic and I am trying to understand the procedures or policies. Perhaps you can give a second thought about blocking me and give me a second chance. --Turkeybutt (talk) 19:40, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

If Wikipedian folks wish to talk with you, I've no objection if you use your Wikinews talk page as neutral ground on which to conduct a reasoned discussion. It seems that might be a slow-paced process, in fact I'd recommend such; my impression is that you may tend to hasty action, and you'd be well advised to pace yourself. --Pi zero (talk) 22:31, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Pinging hundreds of wikipedians seems very excessive. Is that, perhaps, the sort of over-the-top behavior that got you in trouble at wikipedia in the first place? Pardon my offering advice, but you need to tone yourself down. --Pi zero (talk) 11:50, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
(Just to be clear: I don't object to using this page as neutral ground for reasoned discussion, but I don't want Wikinews used as a platform for behavior that's just going to piss off wikipedians. --Pi zero (talk) 11:51, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Please refrain from using profanity such as "...just going to pi** off wikipedians.", you can use "...just going to tick off wikipedians." instead. But thanks for the tip though. --Turkeybutt (talk) 12:29, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Unblock request[edit]

@Floquenbeam: @Chenzw: {{unblock|I'm sorry for disrupting both English Wikipedias, I promise I wont't do it again willingly, knowingly or intentionally. Please unblock me. I'm indefinitely IP talk-page blocked from both English Wikipedias for "persistent disruption" and I don't know how to compensate for all the disruption other than wait or send emails to admins (which I never want to do). I was blocked due to consensus saying I was more disruptive than when I logged on, and as a Wikipediholic I can't stand the personal attacks I've received such as the "you are incompetent and don't belong on Wikipedia", Wikipedia has rules against personal attacks and saying mean things to deter editors who were trying to do good for the encyclopedia. I'm sorry for disruption and TL;DW defenses and I won't disrupt on purpose again. Can you please give me another chance on the English Wikipedias? --[[User:Turkeybutt JC|Turkeybutt]] ([[User talk:Turkeybutt JC|talk]]) 11:38, 13 September 2016 (UTC)}}

Thanks for thanking me, Floquenbeam, does that mean you'll unblock me? [insert curious expression of excitement here] --Turkeybutt (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)