Talk:Netta wins Eurovision Song Contest for Israel

Song titles styling

This article has a number of song titles which are italicized, which at the moment is according to our style guide. However, as I have stated at Wikinews talk:Style guide#Song titles this a poor choice of style and should be changed to a more consistent style. Song and album styling should not be the same because that defeats the purpose of having a style. I will @Pi zero: because Pi has already been involved in that discussion. Now is the time to fix our style guide before the problem spreads any further, imo. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:17, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't see it as a problem. For one thing, it's simple. --Pi zero (talk) 23:44, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Yet, we might be the only people on the globe (sorry, flat-earthers) that uses that style. Our combined research showed no instance of any style guide recommending italics. I'm sorry, but I do see that as a problem. We have self-determination on Wikinews, but I don't see carving out unique styling as a good use of that. It should not be that hard to admit that BRS got it wrong in a single edit made without any consensus. --SVTCobra 00:04, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

By "we", do you mean enwn, or frwn and eswn, nlwn and ru as well?
•–• 00:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

-edit conflict-- Yes, French is a different language if you hadn't noticed. Styling is language specific. Besides, it looks like the table was just copied without any thought to styling. In fact, despite your loathing of Wikipedia, English Wikipedia is a much better place to take styling cues from if you are going to use cross-wiki references. See this table. But I have been very careful to craft my argument without referencing Wikipedia for that very reason. And We just want to be different is a very poor argument against my position. --SVTCobra 00:34, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

The Russian link shows a style of «Toy» which disproves your case and shows how it varies from language to language. --SVTCobra 00:37, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, flat-earth believers aren’t language specific. In any case; we cannot copy from Wikipedia, and only if I could have used pseudo elements, the table have been amazing. It is modified from French Wikinews and I am personally very fond of that table. The “wikitable” class is horribly designed and the CSS simplicity is what I like.
223.237.204.134 (talk) 00:40, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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Russian?
223.237.204.134 (talk) 00:42, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Russian. But none of those are good arguments. Please find a style guide on the English language which says song title should be in italics. Pi and I were unable to do so. We only found guides which recommended simple quotes around song titles, ie "Toy". --SVTCobra 00:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Review of revision 4406506 [Passed]

Revision 4406506 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 23:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I did check all the information in the table against the source. However, the table here was exactly the same data as the source table, in the same format, and the source did claim to be copyrighted. I'm not a fan of tables in news reportage anyway, but in this case it looked rather like copyvio; I wasn't comfortable with it. Providing that erstwhile source as an external link makes the data available if a reader really wants it. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 4406506 of this article has been reviewed by Pi zero (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 23:32, 15 May 2018 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: I did check all the information in the table against the source. However, the table here was exactly the same data as the source table, in the same format, and the source did claim to be copyrighted. I'm not a fan of tables in news reportage anyway, but in this case it looked rather like copyvio; I wasn't comfortable with it. Providing that erstwhile source as an external link makes the data available if a reader really wants it. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Table

Table, by itself is copyrighted, then I am pretty sure all the football articles which use FIFA as the source would be under copyright violation and so will be be thousands of Wikipedia articles. For the record, it was copied from frwn, and not from Eurovision. That source was used only to make sure everything there was correct.
•–• 23:47, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

The music and lyrics column seems to be formatted differently than the others. It lacks the lines separating rows. I can't review, because Eurovision has chosen to make those videos unavailable in my country. --SVTCobra 09:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I know -- and it would be difficult to directly jump into how to verify it (If you use Opera, they have in-built VPN) I had asked Green Giant to review it, but I was too late. Seems like they are gone. But if you are using VPN to access it, some tips:

1. So, let's see the columns which are going to be, in the table.
2. Order (of performance), Country, Artist(s), Song, Music and Lyrics, Points and rank. (as of now)
3. In the first few seconds of the video, you can see the country name, Artist(s), Music and Lyrics.
4. For the points, you need to refer this tweet (cited in the sources)
5. For the chronology of when they perform, let the video start (on YouTube) and at the bottom left corner, you can see the order number in which they performed.
6. You won't have to watch more than 10 seconds of any video.
7. Remember, I will separate music and lyricist by "&".
8. Needless to say, if there is no "&", the same person did both.
9. I would say, check each tuple one by one.

•–• 09:46, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Green Giant: ”BOrislav Milanov” in Austria, lowercase O. Slovenia’s Lea Sir is for Music as well as lyrics.
103.254.128.130 (talk) 10:36, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

By the way, Sobral is linked to ice in the article; can you remove the second link?
103.254.128.130 (talk) 10:37, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Green Giant: if you have verified the table, sight the edits.
•–• 12:08, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Although we have a "link on first instance" policy, that is generally for the text body of the article. So-called "duplicate links" can often be found in infoboxes, image captions, tables, and other parts of articles, such as match report templates. It is very useful for the reader to have the links in the table, so they don't have to go back up to the text and "hunt" for the link to the artist or song. --SVTCobra 12:57, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Sobral is last year's winner, and in the article, his name was linked twice. That was to be fixed. He is not in the table.
•–• 13:05, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

OK, good. --SVTCobra 13:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)