Talk:Uber suspends self-driving car program after pedestrian death in Arizona, United States

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Thank you! I notice the photo still isn't visibly credited to the Commons photographer; I left my failed attempt at using the credit template commented out. How is that done? Yngvadottir (talk) 02:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: Done, you can see what I did from the diff. --Pi zero (talk) 02:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I've got used to using the curly brackets here rather than the straight ones, turned out to be the problem. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:30, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the review as well, that was quick. Gryllida (talk) 02:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I did not have a chance to read this until this morning and I've passed this area hundreds of times seeing these cars in action, so just a few thoughts. (1) It says nothing about the investigation by the National Traffic Safety Board and FBI. (2) The location where she was hit is a 40mph zone but is difficult to determine since it comes of the bridge which is a 35 and reduces down to 25 as you get closer to the university. (3) The other unusual part is the vehicle was in the far right lane of a three lane street where she was in the median, the bike landing on the sidewalk. (4) The location is about 100 meters from the Marquee Theatre which houses moderately large concerts. (5) The vehicle was swerving. (5) The backup driver has a criminal record of attempted armed robbery. (6) The general area where she was hit is the most pedestrian rich area in Phoenix. (7) It is the first fatality for a driverless vehicle. (8) The woman was homeless with a substance abuse problem, and inhabits the Tempe Town Lake park during the day, then crosses the bridge to sleep under it - the gates to the park are locked every night. AZOperator (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC) <-sorry forgot that.

@AZOperator: I've tried to ping you by linking to your user name on the Opinions page for this story, but Liquid Threads did not oblige (and wouldn't let me preview to check). I'm sorry, I checked for an existing story in progress on the accident before writing up this story on the next day event; as such I didn't say as much about the accident victim as I would have in an article focused on the accident. I now see the Bloomberg source you used in US: Driverless vehicle kills homeless woman has the alternate name for the vehicle operator, and that the operator's past conviction is in that and another of your sources, but I don't see any of your info above about speed limits and heavy pedestrian use of that stretch of road in the cited sources. You would have needed to write it up as a story including original reporting, with notes on the Collaboration page or sent to the Scoop e-mail address. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:44, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: like I said it is just a few thoughts. I can understand the hesitation regarding the pedestrian traffic and speed limits, that comes from my own knowledge of the area. However, I think there is an opportunity for a followup article since the NTSB and the FBI are investigating for the rest of the week, according to last nights local news. It also appears Intel have pulled their vehicles too, but again under personal observation. They also said it is possibly the most documented vehicular collision in US history - but that is a bit subjective. Politicians and others are chiming in on this as the days go.

However I would really like to see the acknowledgement of this collision marked the first fatality with a driverless vehicle - that is insanely important. I have written for the IEEE about technological proliferation and danger it poses, with Elon Musk pushing the same concepts - the engineering world is looking at this heavily. I am open to any ideas. AZOperator (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

This site requires a story focus on one event written up by two different sources; I suggest you wait until there's a further development such as an advisory report, or else use the governor's clarification of rules mentioned in at least one of your sources, and write a follow-up story. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:03, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

A modest edit to the article, such as to inject somewhere that its' the first fatality with a driverless vehicle, could be done at this point, since the article was published only about 12 hours ago and our cut-off for substantive changes is 24 hours post-publish (which includes time for a reviewer to process the submitted edit). --Pi zero (talk) 18:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

I would endorse @Pi zero: idea. That is the defining characteristic of this story. All over the US people walk out in front of cars all the time and get killed - excepts this time Iron Man's Jarvis is the driver and took part in a death race. It probably was a little to soon to say that, but you get my drift. AZOperator (talk) 19:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@P zero: OK, I added a sentence. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pi zero:, @Yngvadottir:, I just saw the video from the forward camera. She should have been picked up on the night vision, heat signature, and the lasers. Even though I am slightly drunk at the moment, it does appear the software failed and the backup driver is distracted. So you can make your own judgement here: Click Here. AZOperator (talk) 00:20, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Why is this discussion on the talk page, which is for discussion of the writing of the article? It seems more like discussion of the story, which is what the opinions page is for. --Pi zero (talk) 00:25, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pi zero:, slightly more drunk, but I think the actual video is content. AZOperator (talk) 00:40, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't see it being proposed to add to the article. Still seems to me to be presented as discussion of the story, not discussion of how to write the article. We're pretty much out of time for substantive edits to the article, iirc. --Pi zero (talk) 00:47, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Well, someway or another there is going to be a follow-up. What that is, we won't know yet. Toss it into that when the time comes. As for the discussion, I will place it there for all to see. If pictures speak a thousand words, then that video only seconds long should speak volumes. AZOperator (talk) 01:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

How many words a picture is worth depends on the picture, and the words. --Pi zero (talk) 01:38, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Well put. AZOperator (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC) AZOperator (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)