User talk:Nicole Sharp
archives from 2012-2014
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:06, 18 November 2015 (CET)
archive: Nicole Sharp
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:06, 18 November 2015 (CET)
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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 09:31, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Wikinews has a review process for publication. I've left a {{cleanup}} tag on the article identifying some points that clearly need to be addressed; if those are addressed, then we'll see where we can go from there. --Pi zero (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Another page I'm working on, that might possibly be of interest, is WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. --Pi zero (talk) 18:52, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Your edits
Your recent edits look like some sort of flim-flam game. What they are is beside the point; that's what they look like. There's no justification for switching back and forth between different accounts like this; if you've got alternative accounts, it would take at most two very straightforward edits on each account to have cleared it all up, rather than all this complex shifting around. Settle down, please. Otherwise, I'll consider preventative blocking against the likelihood of something obscurely underhanded. --Pi zero (talk) 19:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I have a number of old Wikimedia accounts on multiple projects. I merged the userpages and talkpages all onto Nicole Sharp so as to keep my old edits and discussions under one username for better consistency. Sorry if the edits seemed unusual. Nicole Sharp (talk) 20:47, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
- There are multiple concerns around the mishmash of redirects, and page 'ownership'. I'd hope you'd be able to point to renames elsewhere to resolve the issue of appearing to have a collection of socks. And, I'd expect old accounts to point to the one you're currently editing with — Vegaserrana (talk · contribs). Actually merging contribution histories of multiple accounts just isn't possible. Whilst there's no need to provide a real name, or 'committed identity', the problem is lack of evidence that whoever has edited as Nicole Sharp is currently editing as Vegaserrana. There is no history of contributions here on Wikinews for any accounts other than Vegaserrana, and I'm not going to dig into rename requests on Wikipedia (which, if you don't register - and validate - an email address for an account are impossible to get processed if you also forget the password).
- That's certainly far, far, less-visible if you just register accounts for Wikipedia on an almost-throwaway basis, but that's where the confusion should stay. Renames et-al as a technical process have gone cross-wiki, making the assertion you are w:User:Nicole Sharp, and all the variants thereof, someone else's problem. That claim would be on the basis of access to accounts originally created on Wikipedia; not on creating user pages for accounts which have never edited on Wikinews.
- Put another way: "How do we know you are who you wish us to infer you are?" --Brian McNeil / talk 00:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I've only edited on Wikinews a handful of times, and last time I was active was back in 2012 :-p. Yes, the username issue is cross-wiki, primarily from Wikipedia/Wiktionary, where I am most active. The full list of my old accounts going back years from all wikiprojects that I've merged into <Nicole Sharp> are there. Regarding whether user <vegaserrana> really is <Nicole Sharp>, you can check my website or any number of social media platforms to confirm my true-name identity. Vega serrana is actually part of my real-life full name (Lee & Serrano) translated to Spanish (Nicole Lee Sharp Ruiz Frey Serrano). Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:40, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
- To a critical observer, you are Vegaserrana (talk · contribs). Nothing more, nothing less. This user — Nicole Sharp (talk · contribs), whose talk page we're editing — effectivelydoes not exist on this wiki. Neither of those accounts is the one you appear to have bumped up against copyright concerns with back in 2012.
- Introducing the same confusion here as on Wikipedia is, even if unintentional, really unhelpful. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:27, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
archive: Nicole Sharp Ruiz
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:11, 18 November 2015 (CET)
Nicole Sharp has alleged this is one of their alternate accounts.
archive: AprilNicoleSharp
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:12, 18 November 2015 (CET)
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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 05:59, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
archive: Nicole21532
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:10, 18 November 2015 (CET)
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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Wikinews has a review process for publication. I've left a {{cleanup}} tag on the article identifying some points that clearly need to be addressed; if those are addressed, then we'll see where we can go from there. --Pi zero (talk) 18:02, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Another page I'm working on, that might possibly be of interest, is WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. --Pi zero (talk) 18:52, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
attempted redirect
User:Nicole Sharp has twice tried to redirect this page to their user talk and been reverted. --Pi zero (talk) 02:16, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
archive: Nicoletapedia
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:08, 18 November 2015 (CET)
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note
User:Nicole Sharp has alleged this is one of their alternate accounts. --Pi zero (talk) 02:18, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
archive: vegaserrana
Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:09, 18 November 2015 (CET)
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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Your edits
Your recent edits look like some sort of flim-flam game. What they are is beside the point; that's what they look like. There's no justification for switching back and forth between different accounts like this; if you've got alternative accounts, it would take at most two very straightforward edits on each account to have cleared it all up, rather than all this complex shifting around. Settle down, please. Otherwise, I'll consider preventative blocking against the likelihood of something obscurely underhanded. --Pi zero (talk) 19:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Userpage restored to original state
Per comments left on the Nicole Sharp (talk · contribs) talk page, this is the talk page for the user account Vegaserrana, and that account (Nicole Sharp) has never been active on Wikinews.
This page has been restored, since the redirect provided needless obfuscation on the origin of edits. The decision to do so was not taken lightly, but several comments highlighting the confusion potential seem to have fallen on deaf ears. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:47, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
September 2015 block error
{{unblock|error}}
The subsections below have been compiled from posts on Commons, Wikipedia, and WikiNews. Duplicate (cross-posted) posts have been removed and replies have been rearranged by date of original post. Commentaries have been added for each date documenting the (non)progress of getting the block error fixed. Nicole Sharp (talk) 11:46, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
This is a timeline and archive of the actions that lead to and resulted from an erroneous and vandalistic block of my Wikimedia WikiNews account by user "pi zero."
- 2010-02-05 to 2010-04-21: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "Nicoleta," with a total of 326 edits, the most edits being on English Wikionary.
- 2010-04-21 to 2012-09-02: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "Nicoletapedia," with a total of 1415 edits, the most edits being on English Wiktionary.
- 2012-09-02 to 2012-12-25: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "Nicole21532," with a total of 76 edits, the most edits being on English Wikipedia.
- 2012-12-25 to 2013-03-02: I was not editing on Wikimedia.
- 2013-03-02 to 2014-05-26: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "Nicole Sharp."
- 2014-03-24: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "AprilNicoleSharp," with a total of 2 edits on English Wikipedia.
- 2014-05-26 to 2014-08-24: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "Nicole Sharp Ruiz," with a total of 15 edits on English Wikipedia.
- 2014-08-24 to 2014-10-21: I was editing on Wikimedia with account "vegaserrana," with a total of 113 edits, the most edits being on English Wikipedia.
- 2014-10-21 to present: Again editing on Wikimedia with account "Nicole Sharp."
My account-name changes on Wikimedia typically corrresponded with changing e-mail accounts, since I prefer if possible to keep my usernames the same across networks (e.g. Wikimedia, Google, Yahoo!, Microsoft, etc.) when I change my e-mail address (which I have the unfortunate habit of doing perhaps too frequently). My activeness on Wikimedia over a given year typically corresponds to my personal schedule, whether or not I have access to a working PC at home, and my health condition at the given time (since I have a chronic disability). I typically contribute most actively to Wikimedia either when I am working on a research project where I am finding information and content that I can add to Wikimedia, or when I am just otherwise bored at home and can contribute in my spare time.
Since 2014-10-21, when I began using again my previous Wikimedia account "Nicole Sharp," there have been several long periods where I was inactive on Wikimedia, including between Spring of this year (2015) until just recently in September 2015. On each of my old userpages on each Wikimedia project (except WikiNews), I have placed redirect links to my current userpage of "Nicole Sharp," and have archived the usertalkpages of any usertalk from before September 2015 on each Wikimedia project at "user talk:Nicole Sharp/archive" (except for WikiNews). Archiving old usertalk is a practice done by many users as well as admins throughout Wikimedia. Additionally, having more than one old account and needing redirect pages for old accounts to redirect users to a user's current account, is something that many Wikimedians have to deal with, since changing life circumstances (such as a new e-mail, better identification with a new screenname, etc.) often encourage creation of a new Wikimedia account, and a redirect link on the old userpage is needed to keep track of authorship to the user's current account.
When I attempted to update my old userpages on WikiNews, same as I had already done on every single other Wikimedia project, user "pi zero" promptly blocked my account without any discussion or pre-notice. I have not been able to edit on WikiNews since. Despite lengthy discussion with user "pi zero," "pi zero" has still refused to correct their action. I have since contacted four additional WikiNews administrators ("ShakataGaNai," "Bawolff," "Blood Red Sandman," and "Brian"), none of whom have replied, other than "Bawolff" briefly replying that they are no longer active, despite being on the active admins list for WikiNews.
As of this writing (2015-11-18), I am still blocked and have not been able to find a single active admin on WikiNews other than "pi zero." As I reported when I took the recent (November 2015) Wikimedia harassment survey, my very negative experiences with harassment on WikiNews (rashly blocked without discussion for nothing other than trying to update my userpage) have left me very uncomfortable with the idea of contributing to WikiNews in the future, even if I am unblocked. The fact that the project obviously has little to no oversight to monitor the actions of admins is also very concerning. WikiNews is the lowest-ranked and least-trafficked Wikimedia domain, and ideally needs all the volunteers it can get to help, especially college-educated volunteers with journalistic experience (such as myself). Such harassment and blocking of contributors to WikiNews is a quick way to get the project to slowly die due to uninvolvement, and also reflects poorly on the Wikimedia Foundation as a whole. I would request "pi zero" for de-administratorship, except that I fear having no active admins on WikiNews could end up being worse than having just one active admin, even if that admin occassionally harasses users. I am at least the second person to provide serious complaints about the actions of "pi zero" on WikiNews, as documented at "wikinews:user talk:ShakataGaNai#Being bothered by User:Pi zero."
Nicole Sharp (talk) 10:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
@Bawolff: @Blood Red Sandman: @Brian: @Brian McNeil: @Cspurrier: @Pi zero: @ShakataGaNai: @Skenmy: @TUFKAAP:
2015-09-08
The first section here is the first communication that I received that I had been blocked on WikiNews by user "pi zero." I had not received any notice or communications from "pi zero" before being blocked, only afterward. I was never given any opportunity before being blocked to discuss any issues that user "pi zero" may have had with me or my edits. I was simply attempting to update my userpage when suddenly I could no longer make edits. Having never been blocked before (in my five years of contributions to Wikimedia, and thousands of edits over dozens of Wikimedia projects), at first I thought it was just a computer error until to my horrible surprise, I saw the post copied below ("#Block").
The second section here is my reply to user "pi zero" at "wikipedia:user talk:pi zero#block error regarding their action on WikiNews. User "pi zero" had blocked me from e-mailing them or posting to them directly on WikiNews. I contacted "pi zero" (and eventually the other admins) on Wikipedia since I was blocked from contacting them on WikiNews directly and Wikipedia is generally the most-active and most-viewed project for many Wikimedians.
Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:35, 18 November 2015 (CET)
Block
For now, I've blocked you. I've also restored the content of this page, which you "archived" in a way that conceals that it ever existed. You're creating confusion across multiple accounts, I've remarked before on that and your subsequent behavior has become more and more confusing. The block is, of course, merely preventative and certainly could be lifted once you can clarify things and agree not to mess them up; however, given the history here, any specific finite expiry would be inappropriate, and since you've really never shown any desire to make things less confusing, I'm not sanguine. --Pi zero (talk) 02:05, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
block error
Please correct the block you placed on my WikiNews account. I have been a contributor to Wikimedia for many years, but have had multiple accounts over the years. I am trying to consolidate all of my old accounts with redirects on each old user page and usertalk page to my account pages of "user:Nicole Sharp" and "user talk:Nicole Sharp" on each Wikimedia project. Old usertalk content on each wikiproject has been archived at "user talk:Nicole Sharp/archive." I have successfully consolidated my old accounts on all 11/12 Wikimedia projects, the exception being WikiNews, due to your block. WikiNews still has two duplicate accounts for me that need to be consolidated with redirects. If you can please correct the error of the block so that I can finish there, it would be appreciated, thanks! I cannot edit my or your talkpage nor e-mail you from your userpage on Wikinews due to your block.
Old accounts with redirect links: wikipedia:user:Nicole21532, wikipedia:user:Nicoletapedia, wikipedia:user:AprilNicoleSharp, wikipedia:user:vegaserrana.
Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:40, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- Since your account on en.wn has not been blocked from editing-own-talk-page, there is no justification for further hiding the record of discussion by putting it here rather than there. I decline to be drawn into a discussion here that obviously belongs there. --Pi zero (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
- I was not aware I was able to make any edits whatsoever to WikiNews. Per your request, please see my repost then at "wikinews:User_talk:Nicole_Sharp#mistaken_block_error_by_.7B.7Bping.7Cuser:Pi_zero.7D.7D." Your block is an error and still needs to be corrected. Nicole Sharp (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- FYI, I have also cross-posted the issue to a second WikiNews administrator (@ShakataGaNai:) at "commons:user talk:ShakataGaNai#WikiNews block error." Nicole Sharp (talk) 07:55, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- {ping|ShakataGaNai} doesn't appear to be active, and my post was automatically archived by a bot. I have gone ahead and reposted to "wikipedia:user talk:Bawolff#WikiNews block error," including a copy/paste of our IRC conversation. Nicole Sharp (talk) 01:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
2015-10-24
In October 2015, I figured out that I was able to create new posts on my usertalkpage on WikiNews (but still was unable to make any other edits). However, having no success with "pi zero," I went ahead and contacted a second WikiNews admin ("ShakataGaNai"). Unfortunately the post was eventually automatically archived by a bot since "ShakataGaNai" is apparently inactive. Content below copied from "wikinews:user talk:Nicole Sharp" and "commons:user talk:ShakataGaNai/Archives/2015/October#WikiNews block error." I posted to "ShakataGaNai" on Wikimedia Commons instead of Wikipedia per their request on their Wikipedia userpage ("wikipedia:user talk:ShakataGaNai").
Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:35, 18 November 2015 (CET)
mistaken block error by {ping|user:Pi zero}
{ping|user:Pi zero}: Please correct the error of your block! I have had several Wikimedia accounts over the years, please see "wikipedia:user:Nicole_Sharp#old_Wikimedia_accounts." I have consolidated the old talkpages for my ex-accounts on each Wikimedia project onto the pagespace "[[wikimediaprojectname:user talk:Nicole Sharp/archive#oldaccountname]]" and placed redirects on all of my old userpages to my up-to-date userpage "[[wikimediaprojectname:user:Nicole Sharp]]." —Except for WikiNews due to your block. Please fix your error so that I can correct the old account pages here on WikiNews as well, and continue contributing to this Wikimedia project. Nicole Sharp (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
{ping|user:Pi zero}: Contrary to your claims, I believe strongly in the principles of openness that the Wikimedia Foundation is based upon, and nothing from my pages has ever been "concealed" or "hidden." You can view every edit and discussion I have ever made or had (including my now-defunct old Wikimedia accounts) from the index I created at either Wikipedia (link above), or on the Wikimedia archive on my homewiki at http://nicoleruizsharp.altervista.org/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Transwiki:Nicole_Sharp. Nicole Sharp (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
{ping|user:Pi zero}: If for any reason you disagree with me or any actions or edits I have made, I would request that again a) I be unblocked so as to allow a civil (as opposed to restricted and one-way) conversation between talkpages, and b) you consult the issue with both me and a neutral administrator. Blocking a user for merely updating their own userpages with constructive edits is extremely unproductive and in my opinion, both against the open volunteer-based principles of Wikimedia and an erroneous conduct for a wikiadministrator. Nicole Sharp (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're denying reality; of course it was hidden, modifying this page so that someone coming here would have to dig into its edit history to find out that you had been warned before about your problematic behavior. After being warned, you went away for a while, then came back and continued problematic behavior. Classic cause for a preventative block. You've shown no sign of wanting to work with us, before or after imposition of the block. --Pi zero (talk) 01:53, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
WikiNews block error
I have been erroneously blocked from editing on WikiNews by {ping|Pi zero}. In case they cannot fix it any time soon, if you can please unblock me, it would be much appreciated, thanks! You can view the relevant discussion at "wikipedia:user talk:Pi zero#block error" and at wikinews:user talk:Nicole Sharp#mistaken_block_error_by_.7B.7Bping.7Cuser:Pi_zero.7D.7D." Nicole Sharp (talk) 07:53, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
2015-11-08
In November 2015, I went ahead and contacted a third (and eventually fourth, then fifth) WikiNews admin, still with zero results due to admin inactivity. Content below copied from "wikipedia:user talk:Bawolff#WikiNews block error" and "wikipedia:user talk:Blood Red Sandman#WikiNews admin needed."
The fourth section below is yet another red-flag content-vandalism action by user "pi zero" where they edited my WikiNews userpage without my permission, by removing the hyperlink to my homepage. To add insult to injury, user "pi zero" called my homepage "spam" in their edit comment. My homepage link is displayed on my userpage on every single English-language Wikimedia project, since it has additional contact information not available on Wikimedia such as Google and Twitter that users may need to get hold of me online, as well as additional useful information for Wikimedia such as my homewiki content. I often use my homewiki (a MediaWiki installation) to work on early-draft articles off-Wikimedia to be imported later (so that my Wikimedia userspace isn't filled up with dozens of partially-written notes.).
Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:35, 18 November 2015 (CET)
WikiNews block error
- Hello. I am reposting this from "commons:user talk:ShakataGaNai/Archives/2015/October." Apparently {ping|ShakataGaNai} isn't active, so my post on their talkpage ended up being automatically archived by a bot. I have not gotten a wikireply from {ping|Pi zero} either yet on this. If you can please unblock me on WikiNews, it will be much appreciated, thanks! Nicole Sharp (talk) 01:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I was able to get hold of {ping|Pi zero} on IRC though, and have copied/pasted the log of our conversation below. Nicole Sharp (talk) 01:51, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Based on the conversation below, it does not seem that {ping|Pi zero} is willing to correct their block. I would request that the other WikiNews admins review the information and go ahead and unblock me as soon as possible. I also saw on WikiNews that I am not the first WikiNewsian to complain about the administrative actions of {ping|Pi zero} ("wikinews:user talk:ShakataGaNai"). Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- <nicole_> Hello.
- <pizero|afk> hello.
- <nicole_> Hello, is this [[user:Pi zero]] on Wikimedia?
- [pizero|afk] (~chatzilla@wikinews/pi-zero): New Now Know How
- [pizero|afk] #wikinews-en #wikinews
- [pizero|afk] hobana.freenode.net :Bucharest, RO
- [pizero|afk] idle 00:01:50, signon: Thu Nov 5 07:48:39
- [pizero|afk] is logged in as pizero
- [pizero|afk] End of WHOIS list.
- <pizero|afk> yes. you can tell by my irc cloak - if you type "/whois pizero|afk", your irc client should give you an address that ends with wikinews/pi-zero ; freenode has an agreement with wikimedia so those can't be faked.
- <nicole_> I am not very familiar with IRC unfortunately. I am [[user:Nicole Sharp]] on Wikimedia. I left you a number of messages but have not heard back. You erroneously put a block on my WikiNews account. If you can please fix this, it would be much appreciated.
- [pizero|afk] (~chatzilla@wikinews/pi-zero): New Now Know How
- [pizero|afk] #wikinews-en #wikinews
- [pizero|afk] hobana.freenode.net :Bucharest, RO
- [pizero|afk] is logged in as pizero
- [pizero|afk] End of WHOIS list.
- [nicole_] (~nicole@72-28-201-163-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net): realname
- [nicole_] #wikipedia-en #wikipedia #wikimedia-overflow #wikinews-en #wikinews
- [nicole_] leguin.freenode.net :Umeå, SE, EU
- [nicole_] is using a secure connection
- [nicole_] is connecting from *@72-28-201-163-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net 72.28.201.163
- [nicole_] idle 00:01:03, signon: Sat Nov 7 20:01:33
- [nicole_] End of WHOIS list.
- <pizero|afk> Erroneous? As I recall, we asked you not to do something you came back a while later and were doing it again, and I blocked you to prevent you doing it. And I believe you have the ability to write on your talk page, so that's where it should be discussed.
- <nicole_> The block is clearly erroneous, as I have replied to your posts on both Wikipedia and WikiNews. If you still have a dispute, the issue needs to be referred to an impartial administrator so the block can be removed.
- <nicole_> I have tried to be both polite and patient on this as long as I can. Blocking is not an effective measure to prevent users from making constructive edits to Wikimedia projects. Anyone can make edits from any IP address or a new account. I'd rather edit under my own account though if I can.
- <nicole_> I would like to think that your block was erroneous and misguided, and not a malicious effort to vandalize my Wikimedia account by preventing me from constructively contributing to WikiNews and maintain my own userpage there.
- <nicole_> Either way though, the block needs to be fixed.
- <pizero|afk> You weren't making constructive edits. You were making edits that caused a problem. This was explained to you, and instead of finding a way to be more constructive, you went away for a while and then came back and make a confusing mess again. So I blocked you to prevent you continuing to confuse things. You have continued to demonstrate an aggressively nasty attitude toward requests to...
- <pizero|afk> ...not cause problems. I also note there has never been any sign whatever that you ever wanted to contribute to Wikinews, so that claim appears to be completely spurious.
<nicole_> You blocked my account without allowing me to make any edits outside of my userpagespace. If you cannot fix the problem, then the issue has to be referred to other administrators. I have already explained multiple times the issue you were confused on both on your Wikipedia talkpage and on my WikiNews talkpage, as you requested.
- <pizero|afk> I wasn't confused, and am not confused. You seem to have never understood that you were causing a problem.
- <nicole_> There are no problems with a wikiuser updating and maintaining their own userpage. In fact, that is a very useful and helpful practice.
- <nicole_> Stopping a user from updating their own userpage is erroneous and misguided at best, and malicious and vandalistic at worst.
- <pizero|afk> You changed *other* users' pages. You changed those pages in a way that would be inappropriate even if you proved they were alternate accounts of yours (which you didn't). And you changed your own user talk page so as to hide administratively significant evidence, which is not acceptable. And now, instead of trying to be constructive you're spending your time and effort accusing adminstrators o
- <pizero|afk> f mistakes or misconduct for a simple, non-judgemental preventative block against misbehavior on your part that you were warned about prior to the block. Moreover, you're continuing the pattern of obfuscation by making this conversation private.
- <nicole_> I have never and never would alter another users' userpage. Nor have I ever attempted to "hide" or "obfuscate" any edits or changes to Wikimedia, as you can clearly see from both my Wikimedia userpages and my talkpages. I only contacting you here on IRC because you refused to reply to any of my posts on Wikimedia. Since it seems we cannot come to a resolution, I will go ahead and copy/paste our conversation here (so far) to Wikimedia for archiving so that other admins can review the facts and make the decision to correct your block if you are unwilling to do so.
- <pizero|afk> I did not refuse to respond on your talk pages. Since you just reminded me, I've been trying to write a short note on your en.wn talk page, but haven't had time to do so since you've been monopolizing my time with this private conversation.
- <nicole_> It would be more helpful to reply on Wikipedia, since your block does not allow me to reply to anything you post on WikiNews.
- <pizero|afk> That's blatantly false (as are a number of thing things you've said here). The appropriate place for discussion is your en.wn user talk page; nothing prevents you from replying.
- <nicole_> I have been unable to make any edits other than creating new posts.
- <nicole_> I copied and pasted our IRC conversation above to a new WikiNews admin on Wikipedia. I posted to your Wikipedia talkpage with the wikilink.
- <nicole_> I should add also that I find your actions most particularly frustrating since even if you were not in error blocking me, all I need to do to edit my WikiNews userpage is log out and edit anonymously. There are plenty of both public and private IP addresses that I can edit from. However, I would much prefer to resolve this properly by having my account unblocked so that my edits are under my usernam
- <nicole_> e.
- <nicole_> *frustrating and nonsensical
- <pizero|afk> So, you're continuing to obfuscate the situation by spreading it all hither-and-yon across the wiki-sphere. One of my weaknesses, as you may indeed have figured out by now, is that I hate to think ill of people, so I'm sometimes slow to conclude that somebody is deliberately causing problems. But that's seeming more and more likely in your case. If you'd put a fraction of the effort into...
- <pizero|afk> ...working with us that you've put into complaining, the situation would have been resolved ages ago. Enough of this, you've managed to monopolize an entire hour of my time tonight, that's more than enough.
resummation
- There a number of different posts on a number of different wikipages (since I am blocked by {ping|Pi zero} from posting directly to WikiNews), so I thought it would be helpful to quickly resummarize here what happened and Pizero's reaction. I have been a contributor to Wikimedia for many years, and over the years, have had different usernames, as documented at "wikipedia:user:Nicole_Sharp#old_Wikimedia_accounts" and at " http://nicoleruizsharp.altervista.org/w/wikipages ." On each Wikimedia project, for each of my old usernames, I have placed redirect links to my current userpage "user:Nicole Sharp," and on each Wikimedia project, have also placed an archive link on each talkpage to "wikipedia:user talk:Nicole Sharp/archive" with the archives of the talkpages from my old accounts. Every single Wikimedia project except for WikiNews though. As soon as I began placing the redirect links to update my old userpages on WikiNews, user {ping|Pi zero} blocked my account without so much as a discussion with me (see "wikinews:user talk:Nicole Sharp#block"). I have been unable to make any edits or correct my old userpages on WikiNews since. I can go in at any time anonymously or with a new account, but I would much rather just have Pizero's erroneous block fixed so that my edits are under the correct username. I would also like to add that WikiNews has the lowest amount of webtraffic for any Wikimedia domain, and needs helpful educated editors who can contribute to the project. Blocking users from simply maintaining their own userpages is a very harmful and anti-Wikimedian way to alienate contributors from the project. The fact that Pizero ignored my posts for so long, and still refuses to correct the block, to me seems to be bordering on malicious and vandalistic instead of just simply erroneous and misguided. Nicole Sharp (talk) 02:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I havent been an active admin at wikinews for years and i dont really want to be drawn into whatever dispute this is. Its clear that pi zero didnt "accidentally" block you (which seems to be your original claim) and it appears he has been discussing the matter with you (contrary to the original claim that he refused to talk to you). If you think the block was inapropriate, please find an active wikinews admin to request a second opinion from. Bawolff (talk) 16:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- Are there any active admins on WikiNews other than {ping|Pi zero}? You are the third I have contacted, and the first to even post a reply. The admin list is already quite short to have such nonparticipation in the project. The admin list needs to be updated so that users know who is active or not active to help with administrative problems on WikiNews. I have gone ahead and reposted to a fourth admin at "wikipedia:user talk:Blood Red Sandman#WikiNews admin needed," but I again have no way of knowing if they are active or not. If you know an admin or admins who are active, please forward this problem to them for me, so that my account can get unblocked, thanks! {ping|Pi zero} has refused to undo their actions, and another admin is needed to unblock my account. Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- I just finished the "metawikimedia:harassment consultation 2015." According to the survey, the actions of admin {ping|Pi zero} do meet the Wikimedia Foundation's definition of content vandalism hasarassment for blocking me from constructively editing and updating my own userpage (and my old userpages) on WikiNews. My experiences on Wikimedia have always been positive, other than this single incident of harassment on WikiNews by {ping|Pi zero}. If the WikiNews admins cannot correct the actions of {ping|Pi zero}, the survey recommends that I contact MetaWiki and open a request there. Nicole Sharp (talk) 18:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
- wikipedia:user:Blood Red Sandman is active, i believe. Bawolff (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- There has still been no response from {ping|Blood Red Sandman}. You are the only admin to have replied. Can you please either correct the issue from {ping|Pi zero} or forward the issue to an active admin who can? You need to remove yourself from "wikinews:Wikinews:Administrators" if you are unable to help with adminstrative issues. If you cannot help, then my only options at this time seem to be to either go ahead and post to a fifth WikiNews admin, and just hope that they too are not also inactive, or forward my case to MetaWiki and the Wikimedia Foundation as a harassment and vandalism of my Wikimedia account. {ping|Pi zero} should not be allowed to use their administrative privileges to harass or vandalize users without accountability. If there are no other active admins on the WikiNews project to correct the actions of {ping|Pi zero}, then the Wikimedia Foundation needs to mediate. Nicole Sharp (talk) 08:45, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- I have gone ahead and reposted (again) to "wikipedia:user talk:Brian#WikiNews admin needed." Nicole Sharp (talk) 08:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
- wikipedia:user:Blood Red Sandman is active, i believe. Bawolff (talk) 12:46, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
- I havent been an active admin at wikinews for years and i dont really want to be drawn into whatever dispute this is. Its clear that pi zero didnt "accidentally" block you (which seems to be your original claim) and it appears he has been discussing the matter with you (contrary to the original claim that he refused to talk to you). If you think the block was inapropriate, please find an active wikinews admin to request a second opinion from. Bawolff (talk) 16:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
WikiNews admin needed
I have been erroneously blocked on WikiNews by {ping|Pi zero} and cannot find a second admin to reverse their action to unblock me. If you can please review "wikipedia:user talk:Bawolff#WikiNews block error" and unblock me, it will be much appreciated, thanks! Nicole Sharp (talk) 17:18, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
User page
I've taken the minor action of removing external links from the user page, since a link to the user's en.wp page should suffice. If some other admin disagrees, it's not a big deal. --Pi zero (talk) 18:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
2015-11-14
Here I contact a fifth WikiNews admin, still with no replies. Copied from "wikipedia:user talk:Brian#WikiNews admin needed."
Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:56, 18 November 2015 (CET)
WikiNews admin needed
This is a forward from "wikipedia:user talk:Blood Red Sandman#WikiNews admin needed." Please see "wikipedia:user talk:Bawolff#resummation" for details. Essentially, I have been erroneously blocked on WikiNews by user {ping|Pi zero} and have been unable to find a second admin to unblock me. {ping|Pi zero} has refused to undo their block, which based on the history of what happened (see resummation on Bawolff's talkpage), I would define as meeting the Wikimedia Foundation's definition of content vandalism harassment from preventing me from constructively maintaining and updating my own userpage. Every WikiNews admin I have contacted so far has been inactive, hopefully you are not. If you or another WikiNews admin cannot help on this issue, I have been told to forward the issue to MetaWiki and the Wikimedia Foundation (more also on Bawolff's talkpage). If you can please help to get my WikiNews account unblocked as soon as possible, it will be much appreciated, thanks! Nicole Sharp (talk) 08:54, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
Thoughts
A couple of recommendations for you to consider.
- Be aware that Wikinews is not Wikipedia. Wikinews is much more concerned about user identities than is Wikipedia (this is related to our approach to accumulated reputation), and we tend to be more administratively active about some problematic uses of userspace. We also, btw, have our own Arbcom; you have, I believe, already requested attention to your case from an uninvolved Arb, though you may not have been aware of it, and likely they'll respond, in time — smaller projects often do some things at a slower pace, and here we put so much effort into producing individual articles on a deadline that other things often get delayed.
- Supposing your hope is to contribute productively to Wikinews, ideally you want to end up on good terms with everyone here (including, believe it or not, me). There's no reason that can't happen if you have a good attitude. The only question I recall you asking, though, was whether there were any active admins other than me; you seem to have otherwise assumed you already know, and are correct about, everything you need to know, which seems a risky assumption when approaching an unfamiliar project.
--Pi zero (talk) 19:06, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
- It looks like I can reply here after all. @Pi zero: I have contacted five separate WikiNews administrators so far, and you are the only one to have replied, other than @Bawolff: stating that they are no longer active or able to help. News deadlines are very important of course, but WikiNews will never meet deadlines if it continues to block new users from helping with the project. If you cannot remove the block yourself, or refer the issue to another admin who is active, then I will have to go ahead and anonymously (while logged out) update my WikiNews userpages by placing interwiki redirects to my Wikipedia or MetaWiki profile instead, since you have prevented me from maintaining or updating my userpages here myself. As I reported in "metawikimedia:harassment survey 2015," I do feel uncomfortable volunteering in a wikiproject that is so hostile to new users contributing constructively, and where there are so few active admins that there is apparently little to no oversight of how the project is run or how new users are treated. However, your vandalistic actions in blocking my account here do reflect poorly on my global Wikimedia account status (as mentioned on "wikivoyage:user talk:Nicole Sharp"), so I will still of course need to escalate the administrative request to MetaWiki and the Wikimedia Foundation so that the tarnish you have placed on my global account can be removed. My accusations of vandalism against you are not intended to be slanderous or malicious, as I still feel that your vandalism is (hopefully) due to a very serious error or misunderstanding on your part, as opposed to a vandalism of my account with a malicious intent. If you do unblock my account here, I will of course update my userpages here as soon as possible, but it will still likely be a while before I could feel comfortable again contributing to mainspace articles on WikiNews due to my extremely negative experiences here so far (i.e. your vandalism against my account and the lack of secondary administrative oversight). I would strongly suggest that you just simply unblock my account here so that I do not have to update my userpages here on WikiNews anonymously or have to go through the trouble of trying to get a superadministrator from MetaWiki (Wikimedia Foundation) to override your local actions here on WikiNews. The fact that your erroneous block has been on my account for such a long period of time now (months) and your inaction to correct it despite lengthy discussion, can also discourage other new users from volunteering here at WikiNews and thus hurts not only this project as a whole, but also reflects poorly on the Wikimedia Foundation as well. Again, I strongly believe in Wikimedia, and think that providing a free open-source copylefted machine-readable repository of news and reference material is perhaps one of the most important intellectual and cultural endeavors of humankind today. WikiNews in particular, as the lowest-trafficked Wikimedia domain, arguably needs volunteers more than any other English-language Wikimedia project. How many articles could I have written, updated, or edited in the months you have had me nonsensically blocked and engaged in unproductive debate? Maintaining an up-to-date userpage to keep track of volunteer authorship is an important part of how Wikimedia works (regardless of the project). I am college-educated (anthropology and physics), and have experience in journalism (both newspaper and radio) as well as creative nonfiction (literary journalism), though I believe that everyone should be allowed to contribute, regardless of credentials. New users should be expected and allowed to make mistakes or not understand everything the same as more experienced users do. Learning anything is usually a lengthy trial-and-error process. Wiki mistakes are corrected by admins and peers, who also take on the roles of educators for new users in how a particular Wikimedia project works. There is no Wikimedia contract that requires volunteers to read or agree to before contributing. Contributions are open and accepted from all of humanity. Again, blocking my account is clearly a violation of such Wikimedia principles. @ShakataGaNai: @Bawolff: @Blood Red Sandman: @Brian: Nicole Sharp (talk) 08:09, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- You appear to be assuming you're right about everything, and I'm wrong about everything. Afaict you've never entertained the notion that Wikinews might have policy differences from Wikipedia (in my experience, no two sister projects are exactly alike; they're shaped by the particulars of the specialized tasks they perform), never treated me like a competent person capable of having a valid position, never asked questions except rhetorical ones. Never entertained the notion there could be something counterproductive about what you were doing (despite being told so by two different administrators). And taken a very cavalier attitude toward sockpuppetry/block evasion, which is both taken extremely seriously on Wikinews and is (given the size of the project) fairly easy for us to detect in a simple case like this. The only question mark in your above comment is on a question that seems rhetorical, about how many articles could you have written during the time you've been blocked. Here's a serious answer. If you took the sort of attitude I've seen here, where you assume you have nothing to learn, dismiss criticism as a mistake, and assume veteran Wikinewsies are likely to be incompetent, it's very unlikely you could have written any articles that would have passed review. --Pi zero (talk) 11:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- Any discussion of any contributions that I could possibly make to WikiNews are of course by definition rhetorical and hypothetical until you or another admin unblocks my account. I have no way of constructively contributing to WikiNews, discussing WikiNews policies, or helping in any way whatsoever with the project until I am unblocked. From what I can tell, you seem adamant about your position, so my only other option is to wait until another admin undoes your actions. Again, my experience of harassment here on WikiNews has both literally (from your block) and emotionally alienated me from the idea of contributing here, particularly due to the apparent lack of any administrative oversight (the notable problem of "who watches the watchers?"), since not a single WikiNews admin has been able to chip in so much as a single word in over two months regarding your vandalism harassment of my account. The question of who is right and who is wrong is again skewed by the power difference, since no matter whether I am right or wrong, you as the admin have the power to do with my account as you will without any other equally-powered admins to intervene or evaluate your actions. If no one still replies here, I will go ahead and forward the issue to MetaWiki and the Wikimedia Foundation directly and hope for a resolution there. Regarding differences between Wikimedia projects, yes, each Wikimedia project has significant differences regarding mainspace content, but userspace is generally considered private and up to each individual user. Blocking a user for updating and maintaining their own userpage is vandalism harassment, as defined by the Wikimedia Foundation. For more details, I would suggest taking the harassment survey yourself on MetaWiki, it is anonymous and fairly detailed on all of the different types of harassment that users might experience on Wikimedia. Thankfully I have never had any negative experiences on Wikimedia until your incident here on WikiNews. My (limited) review of WikiNews and Wikimedia policies shows that your actions have violated a number of both local and global policies. If you have any actual Wikimedia documentation showing that your actions are justified, I would of course be willing to look it over. But then again, Wikimedia does not have contracts. If I was unknowingly violating a WikiNews policy, then that should be discussed with me, and not have me blocked so as to prevent any discussion of it. A permanent block is an extreme action by an admin, and should only be performed in response to equally extreme actions by the user (such as obvious deliberate vandalism of mainspace pages). For me to be simply updating my own userpage, and then being blocked without any notice or any discussion in advance is clearly a violation of multiple policies and an example of content vandalism harassment. Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- As best one can tell, you have no basis for assessing how "adamant" I might be in my position because you've made no attempt to understand my position. Like I said: you've asked no questions. You didn't even ask for my help with finding another admin to look at the situation (which, if you'd treated me like an ally instead of an enemy, you could easily have done). For most purposes users on Wikinews, and elsewhere, have reasonably free rein in their userspace, but there are exceptions on all the projects including Wikipedia, and variations between projects. In this case your actions aren't even restricted to your userspace, but spread over the userspaces of a large number of other accounts, and the specific form of your actions inhibits the ability of other users to discern what's going on — which is of central importance on Wikinews. --Pi zero (talk) 13:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- You blocked my account without asking me any questions nor allowing me to ask you any questions. Your adamance is demonstrated by your inaction to correct the block for over two months now despite lengthy discussion. There is really nothing left to discuss, since your actions are in violation of written policy, and mine are not. Even if my actions were in violation of WikiNews or Wikimedia policy, both WikiNews and Wikimedia policy clearly states that I should not have been blocked. Your block is in error. Despite your wrongful claims, I have never edited the userpages of any users other than myself, whereas you however have made vandalistic edits on both the userpages and the usertalkpages for both my current account and several of my old accounts, creating severe confusion over authorship of posts (see all the duplicate posts in the WikiNews archive). As documented above, I have asked you over and over for over two months now that since you are unwilling to correct your own actions, to contact a second admin to mediate this issue. Again, your actions are in violation of written policy and are considered user harassment and an abuse of your admin privileges. There is nothing I can do or contribute at this point until either I am unblocked or until another admin can intervene. I will go ahead and post a request on MetaWiki when I get a chance. In the mean time, please either just go ahead and unblock me, or wait for another admin to unblock me for you. Going back and forth at this point seems to be rather unproductive. I don't really feel comfortable working on a Wikimedia project where there are so many problems and only one active admin that harasses users. As I've stated before, if you unblock me, I will go ahead and update my userpages, and then probably not contribute here again any time soon. Regardless of whether I wish to edit on WikiNews or not though, I still need my account here unblocked since it does reflect poorly on my Global Wikimedia page, as commented above from WikiTravel. Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- I could spend all day pointing out the fallacies in your comments here, and it would be time wasted since, based on your long track record here, you'd simply ignore what I wrote. That doesn't require malice on your part; perhaps you're just not good at reading things carefully, or some such. --Pi zero (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- You blocked my account without asking me any questions nor allowing me to ask you any questions. Your adamance is demonstrated by your inaction to correct the block for over two months now despite lengthy discussion. There is really nothing left to discuss, since your actions are in violation of written policy, and mine are not. Even if my actions were in violation of WikiNews or Wikimedia policy, both WikiNews and Wikimedia policy clearly states that I should not have been blocked. Your block is in error. Despite your wrongful claims, I have never edited the userpages of any users other than myself, whereas you however have made vandalistic edits on both the userpages and the usertalkpages for both my current account and several of my old accounts, creating severe confusion over authorship of posts (see all the duplicate posts in the WikiNews archive). As documented above, I have asked you over and over for over two months now that since you are unwilling to correct your own actions, to contact a second admin to mediate this issue. Again, your actions are in violation of written policy and are considered user harassment and an abuse of your admin privileges. There is nothing I can do or contribute at this point until either I am unblocked or until another admin can intervene. I will go ahead and post a request on MetaWiki when I get a chance. In the mean time, please either just go ahead and unblock me, or wait for another admin to unblock me for you. Going back and forth at this point seems to be rather unproductive. I don't really feel comfortable working on a Wikimedia project where there are so many problems and only one active admin that harasses users. As I've stated before, if you unblock me, I will go ahead and update my userpages, and then probably not contribute here again any time soon. Regardless of whether I wish to edit on WikiNews or not though, I still need my account here unblocked since it does reflect poorly on my Global Wikimedia page, as commented above from WikiTravel. Nicole Sharp (talk) 14:00, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- As best one can tell, you have no basis for assessing how "adamant" I might be in my position because you've made no attempt to understand my position. Like I said: you've asked no questions. You didn't even ask for my help with finding another admin to look at the situation (which, if you'd treated me like an ally instead of an enemy, you could easily have done). For most purposes users on Wikinews, and elsewhere, have reasonably free rein in their userspace, but there are exceptions on all the projects including Wikipedia, and variations between projects. In this case your actions aren't even restricted to your userspace, but spread over the userspaces of a large number of other accounts, and the specific form of your actions inhibits the ability of other users to discern what's going on — which is of central importance on Wikinews. --Pi zero (talk) 13:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- Any discussion of any contributions that I could possibly make to WikiNews are of course by definition rhetorical and hypothetical until you or another admin unblocks my account. I have no way of constructively contributing to WikiNews, discussing WikiNews policies, or helping in any way whatsoever with the project until I am unblocked. From what I can tell, you seem adamant about your position, so my only other option is to wait until another admin undoes your actions. Again, my experience of harassment here on WikiNews has both literally (from your block) and emotionally alienated me from the idea of contributing here, particularly due to the apparent lack of any administrative oversight (the notable problem of "who watches the watchers?"), since not a single WikiNews admin has been able to chip in so much as a single word in over two months regarding your vandalism harassment of my account. The question of who is right and who is wrong is again skewed by the power difference, since no matter whether I am right or wrong, you as the admin have the power to do with my account as you will without any other equally-powered admins to intervene or evaluate your actions. If no one still replies here, I will go ahead and forward the issue to MetaWiki and the Wikimedia Foundation directly and hope for a resolution there. Regarding differences between Wikimedia projects, yes, each Wikimedia project has significant differences regarding mainspace content, but userspace is generally considered private and up to each individual user. Blocking a user for updating and maintaining their own userpage is vandalism harassment, as defined by the Wikimedia Foundation. For more details, I would suggest taking the harassment survey yourself on MetaWiki, it is anonymous and fairly detailed on all of the different types of harassment that users might experience on Wikimedia. Thankfully I have never had any negative experiences on Wikimedia until your incident here on WikiNews. My (limited) review of WikiNews and Wikimedia policies shows that your actions have violated a number of both local and global policies. If you have any actual Wikimedia documentation showing that your actions are justified, I would of course be willing to look it over. But then again, Wikimedia does not have contracts. If I was unknowingly violating a WikiNews policy, then that should be discussed with me, and not have me blocked so as to prevent any discussion of it. A permanent block is an extreme action by an admin, and should only be performed in response to equally extreme actions by the user (such as obvious deliberate vandalism of mainspace pages). For me to be simply updating my own userpage, and then being blocked without any notice or any discussion in advance is clearly a violation of multiple policies and an example of content vandalism harassment. Nicole Sharp (talk) 12:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- You appear to be assuming you're right about everything, and I'm wrong about everything. Afaict you've never entertained the notion that Wikinews might have policy differences from Wikipedia (in my experience, no two sister projects are exactly alike; they're shaped by the particulars of the specialized tasks they perform), never treated me like a competent person capable of having a valid position, never asked questions except rhetorical ones. Never entertained the notion there could be something counterproductive about what you were doing (despite being told so by two different administrators). And taken a very cavalier attitude toward sockpuppetry/block evasion, which is both taken extremely seriously on Wikinews and is (given the size of the project) fairly easy for us to detect in a simple case like this. The only question mark in your above comment is on a question that seems rhetorical, about how many articles could you have written during the time you've been blocked. Here's a serious answer. If you took the sort of attitude I've seen here, where you assume you have nothing to learn, dismiss criticism as a mistake, and assume veteran Wikinewsies are likely to be incompetent, it's very unlikely you could have written any articles that would have passed review. --Pi zero (talk) 11:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- I am simply going to lock this page. After goodness knows how long complaining about this nonsense, one might expect the complainant to know the project's name does not include CamelCase. However, that's the least of the problems here. If anything constitutes harassment, it is the campaign of harassment and threats of "meta action" against administrators.
- It is over a year since I addressed the reasons these demands are not going to be met. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:39, 21 November 2015 (UTC)