Talk:Missing New York City chef Andrea Zamperoni found dead
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New York City is a big city. Lots of people are found dead every day. Why is it news, why should we know Zamperoni? I certainly never heard the name before and I am not far from NYC. Cheers, --SVTCobra 21:28, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- @SVTCobra: I've renamed it to describe him (he was in the news for a few days until they found him) --DannyS712 (talk) 21:32, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- OK, better. Yes, but "the news" is different for everyone. We try to keep a global audience in mind. Maybe his name is not so important. Was he famous? (I mean beyond his own restaurant and high-end customers.) --SVTCobra 21:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, but the subject passes (in my opinion) WN:CARCRASH and Wikinews:Newsworthiness --DannyS712 (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- There's more involved that just deciding whether the event qualifies. Given that we are covering it, we have a responsibility to inform the reader of what is most important to know about it; both the headline and lede, in their different ways, have that responsibility. The person's name might not belong in the headline at all, if it's not going to help most readers decide whether they want to read the article, and even if it does belong there, it might not belong as the very first thing in the headline. --Pi zero (talk) 22:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- I was not in any way trying to say it is not newsworthy. I am sorry if that is how it sounded. Perhaps an alternative title can illustrate how I'd communicate to a broader audience. US chef who was missing for days is found dead. I just don't know what the name "Andrea Zamperoni" in the title brings. For this to be, in my interpretation, he'd need to be an internationally known figure or established in prior Wikinews. Missing chef from New York City is found dead near airport is OK in my book, because I assume all people know where NYC is (but some people are sticklers and want the country in every title). So, I am sorry if you thought I was leading you down a path of "car crash = not news", I was trying to prod you to open up the story. --SVTCobra 23:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- If you want to rename it again, go ahead - I have a commitment IRL in a few minutes. I'll try to take a look again when I'm back. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hey now, I never renamed the article. I only offered advice. I was trying to show you what a reviewer might have problems with as far as the title. And I don't intend to change the title. --SVTCobra 23:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, its hard to convey tone in writing very well. Thanks for the advice. I'd like to leave it as is for now, but if you or any reviewer wants to change it I don't mind. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:32, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Hey now, I never renamed the article. I only offered advice. I was trying to show you what a reviewer might have problems with as far as the title. And I don't intend to change the title. --SVTCobra 23:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- If you want to rename it again, go ahead - I have a commitment IRL in a few minutes. I'll try to take a look again when I'm back. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- I was not in any way trying to say it is not newsworthy. I am sorry if that is how it sounded. Perhaps an alternative title can illustrate how I'd communicate to a broader audience. US chef who was missing for days is found dead. I just don't know what the name "Andrea Zamperoni" in the title brings. For this to be, in my interpretation, he'd need to be an internationally known figure or established in prior Wikinews. Missing chef from New York City is found dead near airport is OK in my book, because I assume all people know where NYC is (but some people are sticklers and want the country in every title). So, I am sorry if you thought I was leading you down a path of "car crash = not news", I was trying to prod you to open up the story. --SVTCobra 23:03, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- There's more involved that just deciding whether the event qualifies. Given that we are covering it, we have a responsibility to inform the reader of what is most important to know about it; both the headline and lede, in their different ways, have that responsibility. The person's name might not belong in the headline at all, if it's not going to help most readers decide whether they want to read the article, and even if it does belong there, it might not belong as the very first thing in the headline. --Pi zero (talk) 22:36, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- Not that I know of, but the subject passes (in my opinion) WN:CARCRASH and Wikinews:Newsworthiness --DannyS712 (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
- OK, better. Yes, but "the news" is different for everyone. We try to keep a global audience in mind. Maybe his name is not so important. Was he famous? (I mean beyond his own restaurant and high-end customers.) --SVTCobra 21:49, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
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I see no reason to not include the name in the title, so perhaps something like Missing New York City chef Andrea Zamperoni found dead in Queens hostel. —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 08:28, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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I added in some attribution as to what police said and what the restaurant GM said, and added another New York Post article. I also changed some sentences to be more distant from the source. I made a clarification of who the chef worked for from one of the sources already used. I was hoping to review it, but I probably have edited it too much at this point. —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 08:24, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the improvements. Re involvement, adding a source is in itself a classic example of an absolutely involving act. --Pi zero (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
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This is currently in third, though it is a more recent article than #2. Could it be moved to second place? SelfieCity (talk) 20:44, 27 August 2019 (UTC)