User talk:Darkfrog24

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New year, new Wikinews

{{unblock}}I request unblock for two reasons: I have made changes to this talk page that will make the trigger problem--the argument in March 2019--less likely to recur. I have also been reading conflict resolution books and have a plan for getting along with everyone here. The public needs access to uninfluenced news coverage more than ever, and I look forward to contributing again. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Nice to see you back

Did not know you were back until I saw Scientists use DNA analysis to track elephant poaching networks. Nice to see your work again. Ottawahitech (talk) 05:29, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Ottawa. Perhaps you and I shall collaborate sometime. In the era of fake news, the public needs non-ad-influenced delivery more than ever. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Any idea what the holdup is in approving Guilty verdict for first trial in the January 6 U.S. Capitol attack. Just curious -- if you feel my small addition is at fault, please feel free to remove it. I would hate your great story to go stale. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 02:28, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

I am very confident that your small addition about Trump is not the holdup. If it were, the reviewer could just remove it with no fuss. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:49, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

FYI pandora papers back in the news, you probably already know? Ottawahitech (talk) 19:39, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

I did not. Wanna do a follow-up? Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Just on one of my infrequent visits to WN looking for quotes. Hope you are well? Cheers Ottawahitech (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: Just got unblocked on en.wiki. Now for the long, slow and hopefully uneventful process of regaining that community's trust. Darkfrog24 (talk) 22:49, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations, though I hope it doesn't mean you will stop contributing to Wikinews. Cheers, SVTCobra 22:51, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

No, but I will of course be splitting my time between three projects. I was pleased to post "Wikinews covered this" over at w:spongy moth on my first day back. Perhaps you can tell me, do those tags expire after a certain time or is there just a custom about taking them down after a week or two? (checks) And she's already gone. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

There is (my opinion only) a bias against Wikinews on Wikipedia. I have tried, in vain, to add links but it's just a matter of time before they get removed. Our best hope is links via Wikidata. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:16, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Congratulations! ...and lots of good luck. Ottawahitech (talk) 17:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Correct and consistent punctuation

I personally agree with you there. It was the way I was taught in school, too. Pi zero insisted to me, that unless the period was in the original quote, one cannot assume the speaker was finished so the period should be after the quotation mark. He and I debated these things until he wore me down. --SVTCobra 03:34, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

In fairness that's generally the policy taken by news agencies and standard for quoting sources: if the full text is "Tax relief will come in several forms, the first of which will be launched today.", we would have the first section be ("Tax relief will come in several forms".) and the second be ("the first of which will be launched today."). JJLiu112 (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

This is actually a British English/American English difference. In American English, the period goes inside the adjacent closing quotation mark every time. A British news agency would do it the way JJ describes but an American one wouldn't. For example, here's the Associated Press' take [1]. Since the draft is about an American subject and written in American English, I used American rules. You'll see I quite cheerfully use British rules where appropriate.

Pi zero may have sincerely believed that the reader can't assume the speaker was finished, but the truth is that no such assumption is being made. In American English, the closing period or comma is understood to be part of the quotation process. Darkfrog24 (talk) 04:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Pi zero was heavily influenced by BRS who is British as far as I know, so that may be an explanation. --SVTCobra 23:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

It might also be his time in computer science. Over the years, I've heard many different rationales from people who think this system or that is better than the other, including Pi zero's. People with any background in computer programming tend to prefer British style and/or be driven nuts by American style. I've heard that this sort of character-by-character issue can affect at least some computer programs, even though it does not affect human readers. It's all about writing for your audience. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Visually, it still bothers me to no end to see punctuation marks outside of the quotation marks. But I guess I can learn to live with both styles. Cheers, SVTCobra 02:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Bans Off Our Bodies Protests across United States after leaked Supreme Court draft

Source for 6-weeks pregnant from q:Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez:

• Six weeks pregnant means two weeks late for your period... And two weeks late on your period for any person -- any person with a menstrual cycle -- can happen if you're stressed, if your diet changes or for really no reason at all. So you don't have six weeks.
  • Fact Check: Texas abortion law doesn't give full 6 weeks to get an abortion, by Tara Subramaniam,CNN, (September 9, 2021)

HTH, Ottawahitech (talk) 23:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Requesting some c/e help

Greetings @ Darkfrog24

If you are open to c/e requests, I am looking for help in copy edit help for news article Kerala: Cleric disappointed over school award organisers inviting girl student on the stage.

On en wp I work on rights related articles and also promote drafts article expansion having info or knowledge gaps. For example w:My body, my choice is substantially contributed by me but English language not being my native language I am too dependent on c/e support.

Even if Kerala: Cleric disappointed over school award organisers inviting girl student on the stage does not get approval this time I wish to learn here how to be on same page of the reviewers here, hence I will prefer to have specific inputs and c/e help if possible.

Thanks and warm regards

Bookku (talk) 03:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Since it looks like this article is going to time out anyway, @Bookku:, I would rather not. But ping me the next time you have a draft working and I will gladly polish up the English. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks That would be very nice of you. Bookku (talk) 14:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

United States Supreme Court overturns decades-old abortion decision

You did a great job in United States Supreme Court overturns decades-old abortion decision. Here are a couple of comments:

• terminology such as (Mississippi law limiting abortion to) no longer than 15 weeks into pregnancy" should be changed to " no longer than 13 weeks from conception. Why everyone uses terminology that has been favored by physicians who have their own convenient way of counting the weeks of pregnancy as starting from the end of the last menstrual cycle is anyone's guess. But for the sake of factual accuracy we should count abortion from the moment of conception, don't you agree? This will set WN as a pioneer in reporting
• possibly remove "acquire pills for medication abortion, " (see comment below re economic inequality)

For future articles there will be many angles to cover:

• trigger laws in terms of weeks after conception. In other words, since abortion law is now regulated differently in every state, it would be good to know the # of week after conception limiting abortions in every state. btw I saw a useful map somewhere showing what states have enabled trigger laws, which allow abortion, and which have not changed. IIRC only 16 states now allow abortion.
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abortion_by_country shows 114 articles in en-wikipedia about abortion by country
• economic equality issue - only relatively well-to-do women will be able to afford abortions in states that prohibit abortions because of prohibitive travel costs (medicated abortions must still be supervised by a physician, I think?)
• this will completely change society, not only women. Sex outside of marriage will return to the taboo it was, men will have to marry women who they have impregnated, women careers outside the home will suffer and with it educational institutions will suffer a loss of women students, etc.
• Companies -there have already been reports about companies that help employees access abortions
  • SEE: These companies are helping employeesaccess abortions
• Canada and Mexico will have to brace for an huge increase demand for abortions, which is already causing debate in Canada, at least, about the shortage of abortion facilities. Abortion costs in Canada are cpaid for by universal health coverage Ottawahitech (talk) 14:10, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Just found this on commons:

There are more in: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Abortion_maps_of_the_United_States Ottawahitech (talk) 14:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ottawahitech: This post belongs on the article's own talk page where anyone who wants to work on the article will see it. I have to run, but I agree about your "future angles" section. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2022 (UTC)