User talk:Ottawahitech

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New book by Ellen Pao, former Chief Executive of Reddit, explores sexism in Silicon Valley

I am really sorry, I could not get this one done on time. I have been there -- when my article lost freshness and nobody got time to review it, that feeling sucks. Would you want to write something else, instead? I was going to write about

1. Germany's election
2. Japanese prime minister says elections would be preponed
3. US issues new travel ban; bars Venezuela, North Korea
4. Iraq: Citizens vote for Kurdistan independence

I would not mind if you pick something from the list -- would you like to write about it?
acagastya PING ME! 13:17, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your message @Acagastya: I have already written 3 other stories at wikinews:

• Class action: Foreign workers pay thousands to obtain jobs in Canada was also not approved and went stale
• Equifax data breach involves 100,000 Canadians started on 19 September 2017‎ is in development but is already stale
• British actor Tony Booth dies at 85 started today and is actively in development

At this point my main concern is losing all the experience I gained by writing these stories. Will the stories be deleted? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:04, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, yes. Fortunately, you can move the articles to your userspace, if you want to preserve it. I know this might sound harsh, but an experienced Wikinewsie once said, "Do not marry your articles." You work on it whole-heartedly, but once you have written it, you need to move on, and write something else. (It might seem irrelevant, but I had tough time accepting the fact that once a story is not fresh anymore, it just can't be "news", when I was new here).
acagastya PING ME! 15:54, 26 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again @Acagastya: Will I get a message before the stories are deleted? Does wiki-news have documentation explaining the process? Ottawahitech (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

No, you would not be notified as such. The article will be manually marked {{abandoned}} four days after it was last edited. If there is no significant edit (like freshening the article), it will be deleted two days after it was marked abandoned. But just like any other wiki, an admin can restore a deleted page. You can request admin to restore a deleted page anytime. Are you facing difficulty moving it to your user space?
acagastya PING ME! 08:58, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Request to have New book by Ellen Pao userified

I deleted this article because it had been marked abandoned for more than three weeks. You are the one who marked it abandoned. If there were aspects of the article that you wanted to keep for work on another article, you should have done so at that time. I see it has been explained to you before, Wikinews is not a webhosting service and we are not in the practice of keeping failed articles. I do not see any valid reason for moving it into user space. If you have one, please explain. Cheers, --SVTCobra 20:07, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: Thank you for replying to my request posted at User_talk:SVTCobra#Deletion_of_an_article_I_asked_to_be_userified

You say that I am the one who marked the page Abandoned, but you neglect to mention that when I did that I asked to have the page userified. As far as I know there is no way to ask for userficiation before an article is declared abandoned?

You also say this has been explained to me before. Can you provide diffs that show the topic has been properly explained to me? If you care to peruse my talk-page above you will clearly see that I have been provided contradictory information, and my requests to be pointed to an official wiki-news policy on the matter have not produced any results. For example: On 26 September 2017 acagastya told me that I "can move the articles to [my] userspace if [I] want to preserve it" (See:User_talk:Ottawahitech#New_book_by_Ellen_Pao,_former_Chief_Executive_of_Reddit,_explores_sexism_in_Silicon_Valley). However, on 10 October 2017 I was told by Pi zero that I should not move articles by myself but wait for an admin to do it.(See: User_talk:Ottawahitech#Userspace). There was flurry of advice by various IPs on talkpages of articles that have since been deleted.

After I wasted a lot of time trying to comply with all these conflicting pieces of advice while trying to keep the article fresh, you have now entered this muddled situation with a third view: Wikinews is not a webhosting service, and refuse to allow me to save my own work in my userspace. Why should my work become the exclusive property of wiki-news-admins, such as yourself, who have been entrusted by the wiki-news community to do whats best for the community? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:51, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

If you wish to copy the material off-wiki, we're happy to temporarily undelete it for you so you can access it for that purpose. Afaik, "not a web host" is a standard item in what-this-project-is-not lists for wikimedia projects, and it does seem logically necessary. --Pi zero (talk) 15:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

I told you you could request. After you had requested to be userspaced, I told you that there should be a good reason to userspace, because without a good it would be no different from a web host. (The part which was told multiple times) I cannot dumb it down any further. How many articles do you think I have lost, and how many do you think I have ever asked to be userspaced? (The answer is only one article: which is because it uses a template which I don’t remember how to use. So maybe, instead of complaining, you should start reading your talk page messages.
•–• 16:29, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ottawahitech. See Wikinews:NOT item 4, for a policy statement that Wikinews is not a webhost. If you want copies of your work, you should download them to your own computer before they get deleted. When I say that "it was explained before", I meant you were informed that there should be a compelling reason for storing failed articles in user-space. See your talk page, I see many times in October and November (I'm not about to sit here sifting through page history and copying diffs). I think there's a few at the Wikinews:Water cooler, too.

User-space (which is property of the Wikimedia Foundation and not you) does not render Wikinews immune to copyright violations and/or libel. Since content in user-space is not reviewed, administrators (as caretakers of the site's interests) are leery of users putting things in user-space that look like news.

You are able to do it yourself, but what is the reason? Vanity? You speak of losing experience of working on the article. But how so? These are the questions you never seem to answer.

If you ever put something in user-space, please put Template:User Sandbox at the very top. Make sure there are no categories or article templates. Nothing should link to the page, with the possible exception of your user page. But my advice is to just save it on your own computer. Wiki markup is simple text and doesn't take very much space. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:40, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

British actor Tony Booth dies at 85

Published. Congrats! Review comments.

Admittedly, when things get crazy on the review queue (we have how many articles waiting??), all manner of small factors can come into play in determining what gets reviewed soonest. Your article was short (a plus to me since I only had a small slice of time available... which I see I've now overspent), and since you'd already had at least one not-ready review that I recall, and this was written after that, hopefully you'd have learned a bit, reducing the likelihood of problems that would keep the article from passing (a reviewer short of time, faced with a long queue, would naturally like to invest their time efficiently on an article that's going to pass on the first try). --Pi zero (talk) 17:10, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Pi zero. It sure felt good to have a story published. And, thank you for putting in all the work you seem to do around wikinews. I hope to continue to learn from many of your comments, but admit it is a learning process. BTW you seem to be to be the only one around approving stories for publication? This must be quite a burden! Ottawahitech (talk) 13:29, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm deeply frustrated that several of your articles have lost freshness on the queue; today for instance I truly wanted to review both the Facebook article and your Obamacare article, but the Facebook one besides having been submitted first was also, it seems to me, a smaller story in the msm (at least in the US) thus likely retaining its freshness a bit better, and by the time I'd got that reviewed there wasn't sufficient time for the other article.

Some perspective. When I first arrived at Wikinews — more than half the age of the project ago, I'm disconcerted to realize — there were more active reviewers. We were publishing about half a dozen articles a day. Nevertheless, the project had been slowly shrinking since it was started, a trend that continued thereafter. As I got to know the place, I was deeply impressed by the dedication of the inner-circle Wikinewsies I met here; I felt the project has the potential to do great good in the world, as impactful in its way as Wikipedia, but it was clear to me that something in the project dynamics needed to be tweaked. Not by as much as one might think; the project has been shrinking (as have its sisters), but it hasn't been shrinking quickly, which suggests that the various constants in the dynamic equation of the project are only a little off, and changes that result in steady positive growth are not beyond the realm of the possible. We need to increase the submission-review rate per active reviewer, which means making more efficient use of whatever reviewers are available (however few or many they are); and I have a notion how to do that, it's something I can perhaps do myself... but it's a very slow software development process, and meanwhile someone has to step into the gap between available review capacity and needed review capacity. Which is often also me, though there are certainly other reviewers who help out some of the time; and of course I have trouble scraping up time to develop software while I'm busy doing the tasks that the software is supposed to aid. --Pi zero (talk) 01:21, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

Userspace

One concern with moving failed articles to userspace (amongst other, more philosophical ones) is that a failed article might not have been checked for possible copyvio, and we must not host copyvio. So, please don't move articles to userspace yourself; leave it for an admin. --Pi zero (talk) 16:13, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price resigns

Your article "United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price resigns" has been userfied to User:Ottawahitech/United States Secretary of Health and Human Services Tom Price resigns. —mikemoral (talk) 09:40, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

• And also User:Ottawahitech/Affordable Care Act repeal fails for fourth time in US Senate. —mikemoral (talk) 09:50, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
• [User:Ottawahitech/Class action: Foreign workers pay thousands to obtain jobs in Canada]] too. —mikemoral (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
• I'm userfying these article for now. I'll check for copyvio material soon as Wikinews can't host such content. I know you just recently updated the sources on the book article, but I'll also move that to your userspace too. You can move it back when you think it can be publishable. Apologies for multiple messages. —mikemoral (talk) 10:01, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

@Mikemoral: Please do not userify the book article. Besides the fact that wikinews articles should only be designated "abandoned" after 4 days of no edits (see earlier comment on my talk page by acagastya), I believe the very active discussion on the article's talk-page is of interest to the general wiki-news community. No? Ottawahitech (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Abandonment is a thoughtful process; not nearly as simple in general as "not edited for four days", although that is the simple case most often. --Pi zero (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

One of the issues with the article "New book by Ellen Pao, former Chief Executive of Reddit, explores sexism in Silicon Valley" is that the article is now very old. The most recent source is from September 28th, which puts the article outside of freshness guidelines quite a bit. The book itself came out the 18th. Unless we produce original reporting here, this article is too stale to be published on Wikinews which is why I suggested it would be moved to your userspace. I did not realize that the discussion on the talk page was as active as it was, so perhaps I was a bit early on the draw to consider moving it. I won't move it while the discussion is ongoing, but eventually it would needed to be moved, unless it could be brought up to standards. —mikemoral (talk) 22:38, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Userspace

Do you want the articles to be user spaced or just the talk page content? Because if you need just the talk pages we don't need to worry about copyvio and we can finish this backlog quickly.
103.6.156.41 (talk) 09:20, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Actually, how about you explain why you want it to be userspaced? Wikinews is not a web host, after all. There should be a good reason to, you know, still keep things on the project.
•–• 15:12, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

A nifty trick…

There is a way to possibly reduce conflict with fellow editors: begin articles in userspace and, when you feel they may be ready for review, moving them to the main namespace.

An easy way to do this is to create a link on your user page to a new article headline prefaced with User:Ottawahitech/, e.g. [[User:Ottawahitech/My exciting news event headline]] creating the redlink User:Ottawahitech/My exciting news event headline. You can even transclude the new article template by pasting "User:Ottawahitech/My exciting news event headline" into the form at Wikinews:Writing an article.

You will then have the skeleton of the article in your user space and can flesh out the article. If an article gets stale, or you want to clean up a few abandonded articles, paste {{speedy|A reason I want to delete my userspaced article.}} at the top, and admins will be alerted. This can avoid people performing drive-by ABANDONED since it is exceptionally rude (but not against policy) to unnecessarily meddle with another user's space.

Hope this idea can help. - Amgine | t 18:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

However, Wikinews is not a web hosting service for every failed article. Moreover, they would not be able to attract users to help them for their drafts. If you have been monitoring this user’s edits, they create a page, add some sources, and it is later marked abandoned and then they request userifying a page which has only urls. This isn’t a place to store your bookmarks. There should be a very good reason to have it in user space. After all, we have to provide service to the project. (Come to think about it if every article followed what you have said, we would be wasting lot of space and making the project messy. It doesn’t do any good for the project. Till date, I asked only one page to be userified that too because it helps for knowing how to use certain templates for an election related article.
223.237.238.35 (talk) 22:08, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Your comment

While I appreciate the sentiment, would you consider removing your "intent on making everyone miserable" comment that you addressed to Acagastya? I realize you mean well but it's rude and it's confrontational and it could make things devolve into a real fight. Should you choose to do so, you have my permission to remove the reply I made as well, and this request post. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:42, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Deescalation is a delicate art, one that I do not pretend to have mastered. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:49, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24:, Sorry for taking a while to respond to you. I find this wiki extremely draining, and my time management skills go right out the window here. Anyway, enough of apologizing (it takes time), I asked the question without any intention of being rude, and had Acagastya respond to it very magnanimously. Why he removed my 2nd question:

Thanks for taking the time to respond, Acagastya. Here is my next question: You use various user IDs/IPs/wiki-Signatures when participating in wiki-news as a Reviewer. Can you please list all of those so participants will know whose edits those are? Do you use different identification when performing different functions at wiki-news, or is there a different reason for the multiplicity of your IDs?Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2017 (UTC) Please ping me

is anyones guess. See: Talk:Poland: Thousands of far-right nationalists gather in Warsaw to march for white supremacy, anti-liberalism, and anti-Islam on Polish independence day Ottawahitech (talk) 15:43, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

<no specific title I can think of >

I had been to a different city and a different state in between of my college’s semester end exams, which finished today. I generally do not stay away from Wikinews. But I was with my sister. And when I am with my sister, I do not focus on anything, even Wikinews. I was traveling since Thursday, and I would, until this Thursday. I cannot possibly devote time for Wikinews now, even though I don’t have anything to do while I travel because as soon as I leave this state, I would not have internet connection. I know you would not get a word of what I have spoken, but can you possibly think about how bad I would feel about Wikinews not being able to publish many articles for the past few days? I do not do this because I want better stats. Do you think you are the only newbie on this project? I was a newbie, two and half years ago. I had no idea what news was, and what I wrote was more of a blog than a news article. I have no idea why you are trying to make others believe that only my articles make it and are published. More than 65% of the articles published this calendar year were not written by (the human) “Agastya”. By the way, can you please stop calling me (the on-Wiki me) “agastya”? Address me by calling acagastya, even if I use my alternate usernames (only exception is when you want to ping me). If you are trying to get me blocked for sock puppetry, it is not going to happen. Because almost every veteran Wikinewsie knows about my alternative accounts. Unlike people like you, who lives in a first world developed country with a high speed and stable internet connection, I do not. And at times, messages withwhat they ant to convey are more important than who is conveying them. Not every article in the review queue is publishable. And reviewers are not employees like how a professional company has. I am pretty sure you do not understand an iota of the review process. This might sound harsh, but I did not understand for weeks, when I joined. So it is not a big deal. But try not to make it hard for us to contribute to Wikinews. As a reviewer, it is hard to lose an article. We don’t get happiness “not readying” an article. It seems that you feel the review process is rigged. There was a time when I wrote only football articles. And one veteran editor did not consider it news. But we are free to write what we want to write. And no one can flag it not ready just because we have a lot of articles about it on the main page. Right now, I can list a dozen of editors who will be ready to tell you the process is not rigged. At times, pizero considered your articles for review before mine, because that is how we can encourage a newbie. And none of us feel bad about it. I don’t know if you can possibly feel it. Another fact. I lose more number of articles each month, more than you have ever written. We are more than just usernames. We have a life, and people and things to do in our off wiki world. I don’t know what or why are you still on the proposal page talking about anything but proposals with those stats which nobody cares about, or indicates anything. There were times when Darkfrog24 had 5/5 articles in lead section. There were times when I had 9/10. You know, I gamble with my grades to write a news article. I had 138 news articles published last year. I just have 98 this year. Could be because I fell from a moving train. And almost a month later, met with a accident after which, I could not stand, or even hold a pen. To be honest, I don’t make a single buck writing articles. So even if I write articles or I don’t, it brings no difference for me. And on the personal level, it makes no difference for pizero when they review anyone’s articles. You are not aware of the fact that I have often asked reviewers to consider other’s articles before reviewing mine. (But yes, I have requested for them to review mine before other, a number of times) So, tell me, why do you do this, on the proposal page and make me feel bad about being on Wikinews, and dedicating my whole college life behind it?
•–• 10:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

I was 500 kilometres away from where I stay. I would be traveling for the rest of the week and would be 2000 kms away from Mysore. I would love to write and more importantly, have other articles published. But instead of trying to (mis)use the proposal page, try telling the Wikinews ArbCom about your problems with me using multiple accounts or (what you feel) only my articles making it to the main page. I can do it for you, if you want. (Side note—none of the articles on the main page are written by my alternative accounts) ArbCom and the veterans can help you, not the proposal page. So, when I am home, and if you have not requested ArbCom about it, I am going to do it. And believe me, when I do, I will tell them about your problems in the unbiased tone, but I would let them know about the fact that you are not w:WP:NOTHERE. Actually, now that you have used the proposal page so many times without mentioning a proposal, I would do it anyway. You have time until December 23.
•–• 10:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion....

Perhaps you can try to write something too about the planned terrorist attacks in Sint Petersburg which have been prevented thanks to CIA? There is already a corresponding article on Wikinews-nl (nl: Grote aanslag in Sint Petersburg verijdeld dankzij CIA). I have no time to do this stil tonight. De Wikischim (talk) 19:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

By the way, I just did some edits on United States: Amtrak train derails near Olympia, Washington but will not work on that article anymore - it's up to you as the original author from now on to get it ready for publication. I gave a helping hand. De Wikischim (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Userspace

You need to explain why you want articles to be userspaced. This is not a web hosting service, and there should be a good reason why it is kept.
223.180.21.208 (talk) 01:45, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

What...

I was trying to post to your talk page on Simple and I saw what happens why you try to do that. Do you want to talk about it? Is there a way to message you privately? Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:37, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I thought I saw this posting on your own talk page and was desperately looking for it, phew.. I am glad it was not my imagination playing tricks on me, LOL. Anyway, I have left you a message at meta. No hurry, when you have the time. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:11, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I ask you a favor?

Could you please look at the COVID-19 articles in the Newsroom about Singapore and Bangladesh? They need a simple update. I will be outdoors today fixing a printer in the shed, and any rapid assistance with this would be appreciated. It is a rather trivial task, as elaborated in the last message at the talk pages of these two articles. Thank you. --Gryllida (talk) 23:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

Hello. Some of your user sub pages have been nominated for deletion at WN:Deletion requests#Userified articles by Ottawahitech. --Green Giant (talk) 16:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I sometimes visit wikinews just to refresh my memory about something I wrote about back in 2017. However my attempts to explain why articles and their associated talkpages should not be deleted appeared to have failed to convince others. I no longer consider myself part of this community, so I will leave these decisions to those who are willing to stay here and have their work become the exclusive property of the admins.

I appreciate your letting me know, @Green Giant:. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 04:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Please link to the previous discussions of this? Gryllida (talk) 04:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Gryllida:: I don't have the to time to look for what is most likely deleted or reverted talk-page information. Sorry. Ottawahitech (talk) 04:40, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikemoral chooses to mark userspace = true

mikemoral moved the page because it was requested to be userspaced

Page moved by Ottawahitech without rationale

mikemoral moved the page because it was requested to be userspaced

Ottawahitech moved the page without rationale

Ottawahitech requested and their request was served. But never was rationale provided.
•–• 05:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Synthesis articles are userified hoping they could be revived in future. If they are not published, and are not revived, they are no longer to be kept on-wiki unless a good reason is to be provided. Your rationale has never been satisfactory. I would move forward and delete them after an hour; giving enough time to download a copy for them, if you need it.
•–• 04:27, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Although......

.....it could use a bit of freshening up, your COVID article has MAJOR potential. Any plans to finish/submit soon? I did a few minor corrections. --Bddpaux (talk) 14:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: I saw somewhere that wikinews is considering relaxing some rules in order to encourage participation. Just wondering if I understood correctly, and if so where are the new rules spelt out. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 23:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)@Bddpaux Ottawahitech (talk) 23:16, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes...see Cromium's response below. I think it is smart stuff overall. --Bddpaux (talk) 20:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

So far it’s only a couple of ideas we are fleshing out at WN:Water cooler/proposals. I’m hoping to close the voting on one of them tomorrow, so we can start implementing the rule change trial on Tuesday. Your input would of course be welcome. [₂₄Cr][talk] 00:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Trying to add material to briefs

@Cromium, Bddpaux: I could not find instructions on how to add information to the briefs, so endedup looking at your contributions and discovered Category:Short article trial wHich I folowed to Tonga enters lockdown after detecting new COVID-19 cases hoping to add to it. However, it was already published, so I tried to add my material to the opinions page, and when that one failed (there seems to be a software bug which I have encountered several times in the past), I decided to create a new page in my userspace: User:Ottawahitech/covid in Kiribati, which if the policies of wikinews have not changed will be deleted shortly, sigh... Ottawahitech (talk) 14:41, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello. There aren’t any specific instructions and these articles are not quite the same as the old Wikinews:Briefs. The idea is that we will now publish shorter articles than we used to do. The rules we suspended said an article needed to be at least three paragraphs long with the first paragraph about 50-80 words. It wasn’t clear how many words minimum each article had to be but based on 50-80 words in the lede, it was approximately 150-240 words. For this trial, we will publish articles that are at least one paragraph long and more than 100 words long overall and still meeting the other criteria such as newsworthiness and style. I hope that makes sense. The subpage you linked to looks quite good except it is now stale but a quick search on Google suggests it could be refocused and freshened up. [₂₄Cr][talk] 19:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

It's your page..........

.....thus, largely none of my business, but I'm just curious: why do you keep deleted/unpublished article headlines listed on your User page?--Bddpaux (talk) 14:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Review of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanagh at the center of an assassination plot

Hi @User:JJLiu112,

Your review (attached below) is overwhelming. I tried complying with your instructions but I don't know where to start. All I managed so far is the correction of odd spelling you mention, but I don't know what you mean by consistent spelling (travelled...but center?) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ottawahitech (talk • contribs) 13:33, 11 June 2022‎ (UTC)

@User:JJLiu112, I have corrected the spelling which you pointed out, added categorization, removed one of the sources, and included other improvements which you did not ask for. If you still find fundamental problems, I would appreciate you letting me know. I have spent more than three hours trying to comply.Ottawahitech (talk) 02:49, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

@User:JJLiu112, I am trying to comply with your third review above(→‎Review of revision 4680508 [Not ready]: new section) of this article which you provided at:03:38, 12 June 2022. Please note only two of your three reviews are showing right now :

"1. Your lede paragraph is multiple sentences long. It does not include the focal event (Who, what, where, when etc) in the first sentence."

My reply to 1: You say that my lede does not include a focal point, but I do not undersand why you feel that way:

Who: Kavanagh (major) &Roscoe (minor)

What: assassinattion attempt

Where: Kavnaugh’s residence in Maryland

When: On Wednesday

How: Potentially using a gun (I assume, but not sure since I have never contemplated assassinating anyone)

And btw I read The first paragraph which talks about the lede in the style guide which you just directed me to on your third review.

"2. No citation for the image, & using dd-mm-yyyy date format."

My reply to 2: I have read Wikinews:Image use policy and I believe the photo I used from Commons complies with this policy. Where can I find a description of your request for citation?

Thank you for trying to be helpful, Ottawahitech (talk) 06:41, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Trump indictment

FYI, there are two competing articles: Trump indicted in hush money case and Manhattan grand jury indicts former United States President Donald Trump. I think the latter is the better developed one, but either way, if the subject interests you they ought to be integrated into just one. Cheers, SVTCobra 21:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@SVTCobra, thanks for letting me know. I have just submitted Trump indicted in hush money case, an article created by User:AugustusAudax, for review. Not sure what I am supposed to do next, or whether I have the time to do it. Ottawahitech (talk) 22:42, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@SVTCobra @User:AugustusAudax : Sorry you had to revert my latest changes to this article. What I am trying to do is use it as a basis for a new article regarding the arraignment, but due to a lack of time and lack of experience with Wikinews processes I must have done things wrong. I will not be available until later to try and rewrite this article. Just want to make sure it is not deleted before I get a chance.

The box on the current version of the article says:

... is considered abandoned. It is to be deleted on April 4 (today), if work on it does not resume...

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:29, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

You can copy the content into User:Ottawahitech/sandbox and use it for a basis of a new article. Cheers, SVTCobra 22:40, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: I moved the the article into my user space, instead of copying and pasting it into my sandbox, in order to maintain its contribution history. I would like User:AugustusAudax to get the credit they deserve for creating this article in the first place. I hope you don't mind. I also removed the abandoned box. Ottawahitech (talk) 01:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

I think I cleaned up the multiple renaming, but I do not know the value of maintaining the edit history to give credit to AugustusAudax. Whatever the resulting article will be, it requires a complete rewrite and a new focal event. Unless they contribute to the new article, what "credit" do they deserve and to what end? In my humble opinion, this seems more like more trouble than simply starting a new article. SVTCobra 06:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Donald Trump pleads not guilty to 34 felony charges in New York

Hi @SVTCobra, per the above I started Donald Trump pleads not guilty to 34 felony charges in New York , and as I have done before at Wikinews, completely underestimated how much time it would require to complete <grin>. So now I am stuck. The article has a lot of information in it, and User:Darkfrog24 has also put a lot of effort in, but it is nowhere close to being finished, and the freshness time will soon expire. I am not sure if putting it out there to see if anyone is interested in finishing it is a good idea, and if so how? Ottawahitech (talk) 02:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Ottawa, do you mean you don't think it's ready for review now? I like to let 'em rest, and given this is a collaboration, I figured I'd wait and let the other drafter have a look. As far as I'm considered, we can punch that review button.

And it wasn't that much work, Ottawa. The heavy lifting was done. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey @Darkfrog24, If you are willing to take it over, go for it! Ottawahitech (talk) 04:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: Thanks for taking care of everything. By the way I just found this at https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-new-york-court-arraignment-04-04-23/index.html:

Trump's team has until August 8 to file any motions and the prosecution will respond by September 19. Judge Juan Merchan said he will rule on the motions at the next in-person hearing, scheduled for December 4.

Is it too late to add this? I think it may help others track potential media reports. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:37, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

No one is reviewing it yet, so no. I'd switch out that "will" for "must" or something else that expresses that we know what the rules are but don't have magical future-predicting powers. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Not ready when reviewed: article needs improvement(s)

@Darkfrog24: Do you still believe the heavy lifting is over:

Verifiability: Not ready: Only the Fox News source shares the same focal event as this article. We need two mutually independent sources with the same focal event.

&

Not ready when reviewed: article needs improvement(s). Add article flag

I don't want to burn out before I even start participating in wn again. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I believe you did most of the heavy lifting on the draft. Why? Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:10, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas enjoys undisclosed trips

@User:SVTCobra, I am not sure how one is supposed to freshen articles, I did the best I could. Obviously the title will have to change too, but I am not sure if there are any rules, so left this up to the reviewer. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 02:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Without looking too closely at the article in question, you need to re-focus the article on something that is fresh. It even looks like you originally only had ProPublica as the sole source for your focal event. And the only other source since April 6 is another article by ProPublica with the exact same authors? I don't think that will pass review. If the story has any legs, there are bound to be more sources. While I did a cursory search (and did not start to filter), there are an abundance of opinion pieces which can't be used to establish the focal event. (They can be used for a quote or opinion if they are a subject matter expert.) I did see one CNN article from Friday. Is this all ProPublica investigative reporting? In that case, the article really needs to attribute everything to them. Even in the title. You can absolute write an article about what is otherwise an exclusive of another outlet, but it has to 100% clear that they are the only source. I hope that helps. SVTCobra 02:31, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: Yes, from what I can see Propublica is the source of this extensive investigative reporting, and yes just about any other media source has followed up on this reporting (the free sources). I have seen countless TV interviews all about the same issue. So, what's next?

I do not have the experience or the time to do this article justice. Maybe user:Darkfrog24 is interested? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I've got some stuff to do today, but I'll rephrase what SVT Cobra said: Refreshing an article means basically "This article you wrote is not publishable because it's too old BUT! maybe you can recycle most of it so that not all your hard work goes to waste."

This is easiest to do with ongoing news. If you start with an article on Monday "Manitoba boy missing!" but it ages out, then you can keep following the news story and update it. You may find sources on Tuesday that let you rewrite it as "Citizens join search for Manitoba boy" or Wednesday "Mounties ask hikers to join search for Manitoba boy" or Thursday "Missing Manitoba boy found in Chuck E Cheese."

You will have to delete some content, but other paragraphs, like, say, background of where the boy is from, when he went missing, and which officers and citizens are searching for him, can be kept. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:38, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: Thanks for the quick response. The initial Propublica report was published on April 6. At the time I thought that it was written to give a push to a Bill that addressees government ethics. However, it looks like Propublica is not done yet. Since April 6 they published at least 2 more reports, all to do with Clarence Thomas and what appears to be his flaunting of any ethics, required by law, or otherwise. I guess we can speculate that there will be more, but who knows if it will be tomorrow, next week, or next month?

I agree it would be a shame to lose all that has been collected here so far (including sources that I have already reverted because it was getting too cluttered). Ottawahitech (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Just found another report by propublica;

Ethics Watchdog Urges Justice Department Investigation Into Clarence Thomas’ Trips. this one was written by Brett Murphy on April 12. Have not had a chance to read it yet. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Then it's time for two questions. 1) Could the fact that the Campaign Legal Center asked the Justice Department to investigate serve as a focal event for a Wikinews article? and 2) Is it likely that more than one source would report on this, so that we have corroboration?

The answer to question 2 is "probably yes," but the answer to question 1 is "no." This is because the article you cite was published April 12. The fact that the Campaign Legal Center asked the JD to investigate is still important but it is no longer fresh news.

But you're 100% on the right track. This is the kind of thing that I think SVT meant and that I've done myself when retreading articles that happened to expire. If the date on the article had been April 15, I'd be telling you to go for it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:38, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

It's definitely an ongoing story. There have been several articles published today which could used as a renewed focal point, such as US Sen. Mazie Hirono Pushes Investigation Of Justice Clarence Thomas. Alternatively, one could wait for the hearing which the Senate Judiciary Committee is going to have in a few days. SVTCobra 18:13, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24, @SVTCobra, Just as an example, I picked one news outlet: Slate. Since April 6 they have had 10 articles on Clarence Thomas. So no doubt this is huge story, which makes it even more difficult to make into a Wikinews story. No? Ottawahitech (talk) 22:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

It depends. How much appetite (and time) do you have for in-depth research and writing? SVTCobra 22:08, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

To answer the question above: my appetite is huge, my time is very limited :) Ottawahitech (talk) 23:41, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Then maybe wait for the committee hearing and write a short concise article about it happening. SVTCobra 23:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

I am trying to track down any planned hearings on the website for the w: United States Senate Judiciary Committee, but clicking on

04/10/2023 Letter to Chief Justice Roberts' (in Committee Documents section) produces this message:

Not Found. The requested URL /imo/media/doc/Letter from Chair Durbin to Chief Justice Roberts - 4.10.23.pdf was not found on this server.

There is currently no schedule for a hearing on the matters regarding Justice Thomas, that I can see. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Try this link which I found via this search. There's a quote "In the coming days, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing regarding the need to restore confidence in the Supreme Court’s ethical standards. And if the Court does not resolve this issue on its own, the Committee will consider legislation to resolve it." Cheers, SVTCobra 20:57, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks SVTCobra, this is the same letter I saw days ago in downloadable format on one of the news websites covering this story. I wonder why it was removed from the committee's website. It appears that there is a tug of war between the Democrats & Republicans about the Thomas affair, and with Senator Dianne Feinstein (Democrat) not being able to attend meetings (she has shingles apparently) this is a stalemate.

Here are some recent headlines:

NBC: Senate Democrats eye a hearing on Clarence Thomas as Republicans shrug off gift revelations

Fox: NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley takes jab at Clarence Thomas over trips with GOP megadonor

Slate: So, Is Clarence Thomas at Real Risk Here? Absolutely

Forbes: How Clarence Thomas' Friend Harlan Crow Got So Rich

Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:49, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

2023-04-20 Possible refresh?

From The Guardian Judicial record undermines Clarence Thomas defence in luxury gifts scandal:

Republican mega-donor Harlan Crow was linked to a conservative group that had court business while Thomas was on the bench

What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ottawahitech (talk • contribs) 20:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Looks like a date (May 2, 2023) for the Judicial Committee hearing has been set see:

CNBC: Senate invites Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts to testify in wake of Clarence Thomas ethics scandal

and

Official Committee website: Durbin Invites Chief Justice Roberts to Testify Before the Judiciary Committee Regarding Supreme Court Ethics.

@SVTCobra: Is this enough for an article refresh? Ottawahitech (talk) 15:30, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

It's an ongoing story with plenty of sources. It's really up to you when you want (and have time) to do a refresh. If you want to wait for the May 2 hearing, we should probably put it into WN:Story preparation. Cheers, SVTCobra 19:21, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

(Can we have the date moved? May 2 is not good for me, just kidding)

On a more serious note: I have been waiting for over a week now for something in the news explaining what ethics are expected in the United States. All I have seen so far is calls for more disclosure, but nothing else. In other words, looks like Justices, legislators, politicians etc are free to accept bribes as long as they declare the receipt publicly? Is there an unspoken assumption that if something is publicly disclosed the press will take care of it? Can anyone find a news item that talks about this? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 16:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

The rules for judicial misconduct under Federal law can be found here. Article 2 Section 4 is the first mention of bribery, I found. SVTCobra 16:55, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Not sure if this Reuters story is useful, but it analyzes the subject. SVTCobra 16:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! The Reuters backgrounder is great and gave me an idea for the following refresh:

I have changed the title to:Ethics of Texas judge in abortion pill case raise questions Ottawahitech (talk) 02:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: Since you say this refresh is unacceptable, I will be following your advice. I will start a new article and try to use the same name. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:40, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Oops, I had to change the article name slightly in order to start a new article:

Texas judge in abortion pill case raises ethics questions. I have submitted it for review so that it does not lose freshness. I hope this is the right way to do this a this Wikinews? Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:59, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

@Heavy Water: Go ahead and delete the redirect US Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas enjoys undisclosed trips. I would like to reuse this name for the article currently at Ethics of Texas judge in abortion pill case raise questions, but cannot revert to the old name until the redirect is deleted. Thanks advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:08, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

I cannot delete anything. I am asking you to put that tag on it so a sysop can justify deletion of it. Heavy Water (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Hasn't it already been tagged for deletion? Ottawahitech (talk) 18:16, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Only the redirect was tagged for deletion. I have reverted the name change since you have created a new article. It should not be thought of as a "refresh" when it is an entirely different article only loosely connected by the shared topic of judicial misconduct allegations. SVTCobra 02:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

However, the talk page should be preserved, in my opinion. Ottawahitech (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

2023-04-25 another possible refresh?

@Heavy Water, @SVTCobra, I have refreshed this article again. I would like to move it to US Supreme Court declined to hear a case involving Trammel Crow Residential Co. in 2005 , or any other title you deem appropriate. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Again, I feel like you are massively changing the focal point of the article, to the point where a new article should be created. To me, it does not feel like a "refresh" but like a new article. Also, I think we should be having these conversations on the talk page of the article so other editors can follow along. Cheers, SVTCobra 23:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't understand why you think this is a massive change. From the beginning the article was about Justice Clarence Thomas questionable relationship with Harlan Crow and the ethics questions this raises. No? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I am going to insist we have these conversations on the article talk pages. I am adding a new one to the original Clarence Thomas story. SVTCobra 19:31, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

2023-05-04 another possible refresh?

@SVTCobra, @User:Heavy Water,@User:Bddpaux, @User:JJLiu112

A new report by Propublica was published a few hours ago: Clarence Thomas Had a Child in Private School. Harlan Crow Paid the Tuition. Can it be used as a refresh point for this article?

I am asking because a refresh has already been declined 3 times before by three different reviewers. I have put in a lot of labour into this article which has been reviewed a Not ready 4 times so far at wikiquote Wikinews (including 3 requests for a refresh two of which I have included below).

See:

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Review of revision 4720554 [Not ready]

Revision 4720554 of this article has been reviewed by Heavy Water (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 23:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Newsworthiness: Not ready: There have been significant developments here (he confirmed the report, commented on it, other newspapers investigated, etc.) that I think should be included here to maintain freshness.

Verifiability: Not ready: Only one source mentions the focal event, and that is the ProPublica report itself.

NPOV: Not ready: While he has now admitted to the accuracy of ProPublica's findings, things like "it raises the question of a potential conflict of interest" cannot stand unattributed.

Style: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Comments by reviewer: None added.

Questions about the above? Ask.

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Review of revision 4721539 [Not ready]

Revision 4721539 of this article has been reviewed by JJLiu112 (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 03:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Newsworthiness: Not ready:

Verifiability: Not ready:

NPOV: Not ready:

Style: Not ready: Isn't formatted like a WN article. No idea why the whole article bounces between Crow, PropUblica, Business Insider, WSJ...where's, y'know, Justice Thomas?

Comments by reviewer: Fundamental issues unaddressed viz. two independent sources, NPOV ('enjoys undisclosed trips' and very much et cetera). See article and your talk.

Questions about the above? Ask.

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Review of revision 4723831 [Not ready]

Revision 4723831 of this article has been reviewed by JJLiu112 (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 18:41, 29 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Newsworthiness: Not ready: It still seems like the Propublica story is the main focus, in which case this is far too stale. I'd recommend instead of endlessly trying to refocus this article (which I don't think has been adequately done) to just write anew, probably centring on later developments.

Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

NPOV: Not ready: As well as the title, the fact nearly all of it centres on the allegations, presented as entirely factual courses of events implicating Thomas and his wife, and then two other paragraphs about a seemingly unrelated architecture firm (the connection thereto is not at all explained) means this has very little substance besides detailing things people have said about Clarence Thomas.

Style: Not ready: Without reading the articles themselves, I really wouldn't understand what's going on. Is the point that people think Thomas refused the appeal because Thomas was friends with Crow? If so, what's the title for? Why can't that be spelt out in the article rather than a stream of consciousness?

Comments by reviewer: None added.

Questions about the above? Ask. Ottawahitech (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

What happens on Wikiquote I can't say. For Wikinews, the reason a refresh is denied isn't out of principle, but because fundamental problems haven't been addressed. JJLiu112 (talk) 19:47, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Supreme Court condo tax article

I would love to publish this, but I am a bit confused: Where are we in terms of the time line here? Has the Supreme Court reached a decision on this case? Bddpaux (talk) 16:37, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

@Bddpaux,

re: US Supreme Court weighs in on property rights case in Minnesota

Thanks for asking.

The NPR source said yesterday SCOTUS had heard arguments about Tyler v. Hennepin County. NPR did not have a firm date for a decision which I understand is the way most cases are handled.

I personally would expect the court to issue a ruling in such an important case only after a proper deliberation accompanied by reasons. If SCOTUS agrees with Tyler it will have tremendous implications. You can hear the arguments+full transcript at: Tyler v. Hennepin County Oral Argument. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: It looks like I wasted my time, again, trying to add an article here?

From Talk:US Supreme Court weighs in on property rights case in Minnesota:

Revision 4724176 of this article has been reviewed by JJLiu112 (talk · contribs) and found not ready at 18:44, 29 April 2023 (UTC).[reply]

Copyright: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Newsworthiness: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Verifiability: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

NPOV: Not reviewed. Please address other issues.

Style: Not ready: For a title that talks about the Court 'weighing in', literally nothing apropos to the arguments themselves was mentioned. This is literally just a retelling of what happened and why in relation to the trial, not what happened DURING THE HEARINGS. Which, you know, both NPR and Reuters have addressed, and which would be obligatory for any synthesis.

Comments by reviewer: None added.

Ottawahitech (talk) 15:08, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Change of headline to Jury finds Donald Trump found liable in defamation, sexual assuault case?

@SVTCobra, I see you have changed the headline of the article I started yesterday to:

• Jury finds Donald Trump found liable in defamation, sexual assuault case

I guess it's because the original headline was passive, but it would be nice to know for sure. Thanks. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Also because it was not a criminal trial, so he wasn't convicted of anything, only found liable for allegedly committing the crime (and since he wasn't convicted, it would be legally problematic to describe the alleged sexual assault as fact). Heavy Water (talk) 16:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it used past tense which is not active per WN:NC. But more importantly, it was the use of "guilty" which only applies to criminal trials. This was a civil suit. SVTCobra 16:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

These conversations really ought to take place on the article's talk page SVTCobra 17:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Heavy Water@SVTCobra,

Can we change the name to: Donald Trump found liable of sexual abuse? - it is much shorter.

BTW, I don't want to post those questions on the (redlined) article talkpage, because if my memory servers me right, it will soon be deleted. I have a very poor memory and need to be able to consult previous notes, so my writing can improve.

Thanks for all your input. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

It needs the "Jury finds" to be in the active voice, and he was found liable for both sexual abuse and defamation. But there is an extra "found" in the current headline. Heavy Water (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry if you have memory problems, however, it is important for article discussions to take place on the article's talk/collaboration page. The reviewer needs to see the discussions. You can create a personal subpage such as User:Ottawahitech/Notebook to which you can copy elements of article talk pages which you feel are worth keeping for your own reference, in case you might not remember. It is not fair to demand all editors discuss articles on your personal talk page. Creating your own subpage is a good way to retain things which could be deleted for going stale, in my opinion. Thoughts? SVTCobra 22:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Heavy Water:

Just wanted to thank you for the thought and effort you put into: Jury finds former US President Trump liable in defamation, sexual abuse case (I think this is where the headline settled after a dizzying set of moves from name to name since I started working on it on 9 May)‎. The article that you published is much better than the one I last submitted for review on 13 May. I especially liked this paragraph:

Trump said in his now-public videoed deposition, he had "absolutely no idea who this woman [Carroll] is," and she was "not my type." He also mistook her for his second wife, Marla Maples, when shown a photo of a group including the three of them.

which you cobbled from other bits and pieces. Thanks again for all your hard work. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:50, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome! Heavy Water (talk) 20:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Heavy Water:

Sorry to bother you, I know you are very busy, but you seem to be one of the most influential users on the wiki who may actually do some about this, not right away but maybe sometime in the future.

I was trying to light a candle on the user pages of some wikinewsies, but their pages all seem to be protected.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 15:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

I've never seen the addition of candles done here. You might want to ask, say at WN:Water cooler/miscellaneous, if other Wikinewsies think that's alright. And if so, you could make a protected edit request at AAA; usually, that request would be placed on the talk page, but since in this case that would be a user talk page... Heavy Water (talk) 19:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, its me again, with another Trump story: United States supreme court to decide if Donald Trump can run for President on February 8. @Heavy Water, and as usual most likely will not have time to work it. Just thought I would alert some keen wikinesies, if you know any, that a case that will probably be remembered for decades will soon be decided by the supreme court. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

López Obrador announces that he will reinforce the southern border of Mexico after the end of Title 42 in the US.

Hello, could you spell check my article on the expulsion of illegal immigrants from the United States?Italic text--Jusaset (talk) 06:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Ottawahitech/Trump indicted in hush money case

I deleted this as I don't see how it could yield anything publishable now. Let me know if you disagree or want any of the source links. Cheers, SVTCobra 03:13, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: re: social media

Hi, you wrote earlier on water cooler Wikinews:Water_cooler/miscellaneous/archives/2024/January#social_media_for_reviewers_and_authors_and_developers

"Count me out - I don't see the value of participating in non-public communication. Wikis (let alone the Internet) were built so that groups of people can share ideas and crowdsource to produce something: software, news, wikipedias, etc. What's wrong with this social-media right here under your nose, other than no one has the time to organize it?"

Could you please advise me which topics you are interested in and what delivery method you prefer: email via EmailUser, a talk page message (if so, on wikinews or on another wiki). I can send you notifications when new drafts are created in your preferred topic area. Gryllida (talk) 02:52, 29 August 2024 (UTC)