User talk:Dino Bronto Rex

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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 13:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Cayman Islands article

Hey there! Stepping over from project to project to try some news, I see? Welcome to Wikinews. News writing is a bit different (okay, that's an understatement; a long-time editor here when I first arrived at the project used to tell new arrivals from some of the other projects, such as Wikipedia, "You're not in Kansas anymore." Some suggestions, in relation to that Cayman Islands article you were working on.

• You should probably start by reading Wikinews:Pillars of writing, which is a compact overview of what we do here. Our system of article review is key; as the first pillar says, articles aren't just posted.
• There's a good tutorial on how to write a first Wikinews article, Wikinews:Writing an article.

• The particular news event you were writing about, the EU Cayman Islands thing, appears to have happened at least four days ago, which isn't recent enough to satisfy our freshness criterion.
• Use at least two mutually independent sources corroborating the focal event; and we recommend reading them all before you start to write, as this helps with writing neutrally and accurately, and also with avoiding similarities of your text to the sources (which we call "copyvio", as a term of art, although we're actually quite strongly concerned with plagiary as well as copyright violation per se).
• It's a good idea to use one of our article creation forms (there's one in that tutorial, WN:WRITE); the forms provide a bunch of required elements for you.

--Pi zero (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Pi zero: I plan on adding more information from more sources. As for this that the event happened four days ago, the first article I read about it was published yesterday, so I naturally assumed the event happened yesterday. -Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 14:48, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Ouch. Stuff like that happens. The BBC article, though, is dated the 18th. --Pi zero (talk) 14:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, but the BBC article isn’t the first article that I’ve read, and I’ve looked on the date of the BBC article only after I created the page. If you look on the very first revision of the page, you will see that it’s dated February 21, 2020. Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 15:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The publication dates on the sources aren't what one measures by, though. It's when the focal event happened, and when our article is being reviewed (and thus, what its publication date would be).

A story may have more than one possible choice of focal event; our article has to choose one and arrange itself around that event, including stating clearly in the lede on what day the event happened ("when", which is one of the five Ws).

I see that the text you've written is in a number of places too close to the source. We're quite strict about distance-from-source; necessarily, given the nature of news. (It's been my past observation that extensive difficulties like this are nearly impossible to root out of article text once they get in.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:19, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

@Pi zero: I’ve tried to make the article more distant from the the sources. Could you please check is it distant enough? Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 15:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: EU adds Cayman Islands on tax haven blacklist

For this story, I am terribly confused about what a 'tax haven blacklist' is. Why does it exist? Could you please answer these two questions in the first paragraph briefly so that an international audience can understand. Also I would encourage to submit for review asap (unless you'd like to abandon it) as the event occurred on the 18th, a while ago. Relevant page: Wikinews:Freshness. Because of this generally I'd suggest to choose news from today or yesterday (22nd or 21st) to write about -- not the 18th -- leaves more time for editing and review.

Changed sources section. Fresher sources are listed first.

Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 09:29, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gryllida: I’ve added information about the tax haven blacklist at the beginning of the article. Could you please check is it good enough? Thanks in advance, Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 13:55, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Gryllida: I’ve submitted this article for review. Dino Bronto Rex (talk) 14:10, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. The first paragraph seems too long.

Personally I would take first sentence of the first paragraph, plus the entire third paragraph. This would make a great first para.

See inverted pyramid concept; it is required for publication.

Can you rearrange this now, please? Gryllida (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

(Update: This is under review now and changes can not be made until the review completes.) Gryllida (talk) 20:46, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Significant difficulties emerged on review; see my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 21:13, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! I guess one difficulty here may have been in that the author has learned of the news only 3-4 days after. Is this the reason for the late report? --Gryllida (talk) 21:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I hope more news about this will emerge soon. For example, the island may get removed from the blacklist one day. Then a new report can be made. Gryllida (talk) 21:47, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, not hearing about a story soon enough can be a problem; in this case, a lot of the coverage by other news orgs is already several days after the event. I notice, btw, there's an en.wp article about that blacklist; it sounds as if membership in this list is a fairly dynamic thing (some perspective there that might be good to provide in any article we produce on the subject.) --Pi zero (talk) 23:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)