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Brianmc...Please explain your block to me as I do not understand it. Was not aware it was against poliy to make comments on WN:ALERT. Jason Safoutin 18:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

You're encouraging Neutralizer to make war. I reviewed his edit history since his block was up, and he was deliberately provoking a fight. You kept taking the "bait" and answering him in a provocative manner. Do not give him an excuse to post oblique attacks on other editors and promote a hostile environment. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:03, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
IMO, he is provoking every user on this WIki. If you do not want anyone to comment on his behavior, then maybe comments on the alert page need to ONLY be made by ADMINS. I was commenting. Sorry if you do not agree but there IMO is not disruption. If cmnments are disruption, then eliminate talk pages. Jason Safoutin 19:43, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Request for interview from candidate for US senate[edit]

Hi DragonFire1024... I'm bringing this to your attention because you have recently contributed to an article related to US politics. There is a request for interview up from Pete Ashdown, a candidate for the US Senate. Any Wikinews contributor is welcome to conduct the interview, if they think it is worthwhile. There is a discussion area on the request an interview page. I thought you may be interested.... - Borofkin 01:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

A first step to sort out the reasons and initiators of the 24 hours block of me (international)[edit]

I like to now about your part of the dicussion on irc #wikinews-en when the subject of blocking me was discussed. The discussions resulted in Messedrockers block of me 01:38, 2 May 2006. Messedrocker acted as a neutral part based on the information and concensus (?) on the irc and didnt checked up the fact himself. Did you propagated for blocking me or did you encourage Messedrocker to block me? international 23:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi Jason, I've been stepping through 'recent changes' and noticed International made the same post here that was made on Amgine's talk page...
... so, I'll repeat here the follow up comment I made to International's post to Amgine:
I'd like to add, I've been noticing weighty edits pop-up that seems to based on something occurring elsewhere. I really have no objection to IRC. I don't use it much because I find that it divides my attention. But if it is being used to discuss issues of concern, and policy interest of the entire community, then it misses it's audience.
-Edbrown05 01:22, 4 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Your concern about Cowicide[edit]

Ok, I just adjusted the entire edit. Is that ok now? Neutralizer 01:50, 4 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks Jason[edit]

Thanks so much for that link. I really appreciate it as the topic is of great interest to me. I will examine that info thoroughly after work. Thanks again:)) Neutralizer 13:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


I just not you that I have asked for a mediation with you involved. Please look at WN:MA international 18:27, 4 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

I'll copy and paste here what I posted to Cartman02au's talk page because I'm interested in your opinion, as one who has consistently supported MrM:

Cartman, as you are one of the bringers of the case, my concern for you and other editors is the refusal by MrM to deal with the issues raised. What is sought by the dispute resolution process is a change in MrM's behavior. If he is allowed to not respond by labelling them as "attacks", and refuses to respond, then no opportunity is afforded you, as a disputant, to receive the relief you sought.

Are you satisfied with the heightened awareness of etiquette as enough of a response.

Personally, I am not. I maintain that it a responsibility to respond to the community. Failure to do so is one of the highest breeches of etiqette, because it ignores another's concerns. Where to ignore someone belittles them.

I have thoughts to proceed by asking ArbCom to either force MrM to answer to the dispute, or that he, or by precident any other editor, would leave the community if they refuse to answer to disputes that have merit.

Thoughts? -Edbrown05 01:32, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Synopsis of helicopter crash[edit]

Hi, pardon the anon number; that's me but I keep getting unlogged somehow. I think it's better to include both sides opinion in the synopsis or else no reference to the cause at all. Doesn't that seem reasonable? Some people only read the synopsis. Neutralizer 14:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sure, find a way to make it less than 4 sentences as the lead synopsis should only be 2 it states above where you enter it. However, your edits to the article are misleading, as its taken from a quote. Jason Safoutin 14:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I wanted to say you did a good job of preparing the story and it is a good lead story. Sorry I had to go to work and couldn't address your point about "no proof" which was a good point. After many decades of observing the way government spokespeople of the USA twist words to misrepresent situations; I would like to show you what I mean. For example, Clinton said "I did not have sex with that woman". Remember this was before Monica's dress with his sperm on it showed up. So he was saying something which in the future he could back away from as he did by claiming that oral sex is not really sex. Clinton was referred to admirably as a "wordsmith". Now when it comes to war; almost all spokespeople are supposed to put their side's spin or propaganda on every event. In this case, it is better for the morale of US troops to present it as an accident...just as it was better to present the football star's death as being from hostile fire rather than friendly fire....but here are the clues. If this was an accident; they would come right out and say it was an accident. When she uses the phraseology I have made bold, it gives her an out similar to Clinton's out should it be proven tomorrow that the helicopter was shot down; it is kindof nasty that she is saying the other "crews" "confirmed" that the enemy didn't do it because this way she can blame the error on the "crews" if shown it was hostile fire and,obviously if the "crews" could confirm what did not happen, they must be able to confirm what did happen; yet she is not saying there is any confirmation as to what did happen.
"The remains of all the 10 soldiers have been found and there are no survivors. There is no indication that the helicopter came down due to some enemy action. Additional aircraft and crews were also at the landing zone and confirmed that enemy forces did not cause the crash," said Lt. Tamara D. Lawrence.
"We have no indication that that happened," said Lawrence in response to Hanif's claim. "The crash occurred in a very mountainous terrain and the landing zone was very difficult. It was a mountain-top landing zone. There were various weather factors that could have come into play ... There were high winds. We are investigating any possible causes for the accident but there were no enemy actions detected at the scene," she added.
Just be aware that when reporting based on military spokespeople's words that it doesn't hurt to disect their words like a surgeon because they are reading press releases written by "wordsmiths" like Clinton. Neutralizer 00:03, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
Excuse me? No. It is NOT alright to disect any quotes from any person. I don't know how you write stories, but thats not the right way. Jason Safoutin 00:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Spanish Version of Star-Spangle Banner[edit]

OK, that was pretty fast. I read "what Wikinews is not" and you're going to have to tell me what the basis of your deletion edit is. Thanks. Rossp 01:58, 7 May 2006 (UTC)rossp 01:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)rossp rossfp@gmail.comReply

You've been TEA'D![edit]

international 08:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


I just saw the first section. Thanks so much. I will watch the rest asap. I totally believe that proven facts show the government of the United States of America has been hijacked by a coalition of elitists; most of whom belong to weirdo cults. Here is the book which covers almost everything and some info about the author.

The sad thing is that if Bush and Kerry belonged to the KKK everyone would be really pissed off. The S&B is much worse than the KKK, but few people will take a few hours to research the S&B.

The book is available at many large libraries. Again, thanks so much for the link to the documentary, Jason. Neutralizer 13:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

News ticker[edit]

I am interested in a 'ticker' or a "more soon" box/template for the front page. It would show a synopsis of a "Breaking News" story that is not yet published or ready to be...aka no sources or something that is likely to change by the second. BBC does it with three stories, ABC does it when they only have a sentence to report on.

I think this would boost readertship and I would welcome any inpuit to this. Remember one thing, I have only the idea and someone(s) else would have to "build" it :) Jason Safoutin 15:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your welcome! --Tooby 19:07, 10 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


Hi Jason... statements such as "I am now referring you to WN:E. Please read over it" will only increase tension during a conflict. I suspect that everyone involved in these content disputes know WN:E back-to-front, as they so often use it as a weapon. There is nothing wrong with refering to WN:E, but you should always explain in detail how WN:E has been violated, and how the user should behave differently. - Borofkin 04:28, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

re: Audio Wikinews[edit]

T´anks very much indeed for your encouragement! :-)

My "quest", or like I´d rather put it, "my aim" :) is to get a kind of regularity into wikinews, since I do think, it is a "well-worth" idea to support. I do hope that - as long as I have the time - I manage to - whenever possible - produce one newsbriefs contribution per day (apart from articles read). Hopefully more people join in (allow me to move your eyes, or shall I write: your ears? :), to a very talented new reader (Will Jenkins) of wikinews. I think he is highly gifted concerning "reading news".)

Thanks again, "and enjoy the rest of your day" ;) Gumboyaya 14:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

User talk:[edit]

I do not want another user page. How did you get to my IP adress? And how do I delete this? Thanks. FellowWikiNews 21:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Don't worry about this. FellowWikiNews 20:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Neutralizer and other users[edit]

Hi Jason, As you already know I happen to respect your opinion when it comes to WN related issues so I thought I would ask what you think about the current disputes between Brianmc, MrM and Neutralizer. What can we do to resolve this as a community - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

I know that you dont have any issues with MrM, but as someone who I respect on this site I value your input with this issue. The fact of the matter is we can not continue to go down the road we are, the infighting will eventually kill this site - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 00:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

International Wikinews Writing Contest[edit]

Just a reminder that the IWWC starts tomorrow. Ral315 (talk) 10:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Neutralizer section on WN:ALERT[edit]

Hi Jason.... the Admin Alert you raised regarding Neutralizer is still on WN:ALERT. If you are satisfied that enough admins have seen it (which they probably have) you should think about remove it, so we can keep the page manageable. Thanks.... - Borofkin 00:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


Huh, thanks for {{Welcome}} message. :) Hołek ҉ 16:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Writing contest - jokers[edit]

I added your stories to the log. They apearently got overlooked (sorry). You may wish to edit meta:International Wikinews Writing Contest 2/log directly, to make sure that it doesn't get overlooked again. You currently have 4 jokers and you're in second place behind Cartman02Au who has 5 jokers. (Not that the jokers don't actually mean anything in rank, they're just really the only metric to measure places, that is avalible.) Bawolff ☺☻ 00:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Archive page in main namespace[edit]

Hi Jason... do you realise that DragonFire1024/April06Archive is in the main namespace? - Borofkin 03:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Umm yes? Whats wrong with that? if there is somethign can I fix it? Sorry thought it was right. Please help then :) Jason Safoutin 11:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
I fixed it by adding User_talk: to the front of the name, and deleting the redirect. Nyarlathotep 13:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
Hi Jason... sorry I didn't see your response. The main namespace should contain articles only. Your archive page was showing up in the "Developing stories" list on the Main page. It's an easy mistake to make - I've done it myself a couple of times. The way to fix it is to move the contents back to your User: (or User_talk:) namespace, and then add the {{delete}} tag to the page in the main namespace, and an Admin will come along and delete it. For the record, I don't think something like this has any bearing on whether a person is suitable to be an administrator. - Borofkin 04:32, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


Last man standing sounds like an interesting twist, especially if it stays as it is now - it will be over in a few days :( - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Your RfA.[edit]

The voting period for your RfA ended as of 18 May 2006, so I moved the request to the archives. I just thought I should let you know that the page had been moved, so as to avoid any possible confusion later. The final tally was 8 support, 8 oppose and 1 abstain. Unfortunately it appears consensus was not reached. Better luck next time. PVJ 14:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

hello; I missed the last one.please tell me so I vote for you next time jayson. Yrtsihpos 05:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


Thanks for finding the time to vote on my RfA. I agree I am still young here, but I have full confidence in my abilities to use Administrative tools (if they are granted to me) in the best interests of Wikinews. Hopefully, later on, I will enjoy your support. PVJ (Talk) 02:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

70 Million American adults support new 9/11 investigation[edit]

Hi Jason... if you want to tag as notnews you need to provide a reason. Other contributors are permitted to remove tags that are placed without corresponding justification on the talk page. - Borofkin 23:59, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Blocked for disruption?[edit]

If thats the case, then I want Eloquence blocked for the personal attack on the WN:A talk page. Calling users trolls is unacceptable. Jason Safoutin 15:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

You are blocked[edit]

You are blocked for 4 hours for site disruption. [1]. If you would like to contact me regarding this block, I am available via IRC, e-mail, or after your block has expired on my talk page. - Amgine | talk en.WN 15:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Reply


Please note that Amgine decided to abuse admin poewrs and deleted the Rfda's page without concensus. Also note that Eloquence attacked me on the talk page of WN:A and I have yet to see a block. Also note that the users who voted on an Rfda just had their votes thrown out. What a good way to get users to stay and contribute. Jason Safoutin 16:01, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Here is the attack by Eloquence: [2]

Notice how he/she got away with it?? 16:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Jason Safoutin, I'm glad you're not a big fan of the singular they, either. I don't know what the policy is for requesting for de-adminship. I'd like an explaination of why the add/delete, myself. I'd think consensus would be required for adding or deleting such a large list on for de-adminship. So I imagine if any user can add to it without consensus, Amgine should be able to remove from it. There really should be some general guidelines. Karen 23:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

I think (in my humble opinion) that the main issue wan't that you put them up there, but that you but 20 up there at once. re-confirm, may be a good thing, but twenty on their at once is a recipe for disaster. (and is just annoying to look into each one and vote on them. I myself would want to look into each ones contributations before voting, and I wouldn't have the time to do 20 at once) How about one at a time (Note this is my un-knowing opinion, I could be wrong, and others proably disagree with me).Bawolff ☺☻ 23:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Reply
Jason, what I want to know is why did you put then up for de-Administratorship instead of re-confirmation? PVJ (Talk) 07:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

Jason, we've been through this de-admin stuff before - it is the reason why the Arbcom was created. Please look at this page from December 2005, where Neutralizer is trying to have Amgine de-admined, for what he called "abuse of administrative authority". By persisting with these activities on WN:A you are placing yourself in league with users such as Neutralizer. - Borofkin 00:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)Reply

DR started.[edit]

Your opinion and eyes requested at Wikinews talk:Dispute resolution/DragonFire1024 and Amgine. Ral315 (talk) 03:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hi! I'm back from the boat, and will be more available again for this. Sorry I've been mostly out of communication for the past few days. - Amgine | talk en.WN 01:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

"Iran threatens disruption of oil against U.S." Article[edit]

I thought this was a really good article. It's about time there were more of the comprehensive-style stories. Good job! Martin Leng 15:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


Thanks for noticing the changes to my talk page. Just for the future, though, if any changes on my talk page are made by user:, don’t worry, as that is my IP address and I occasionally forget to log on. MyName 18:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Recently posted editorials[edit]

Hi Jason... remember when dealing with new users to assume good faith. More often than not they are confused or just don't know our policies, as opposed to disruption and vandalism, which are deliberate attempts to harm Wikinews. If we show a little patience to new users, even those who are annoying, they may just turn into productive contributors. Good job keeping keeping on the editorials, by the way. Such articles certainly cannot be allowed to be published. - Borofkin 02:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sorry...I at first thought it to be vandalism, of a sort becuase of the continuous de tagging. I apologize :) Jason Safoutin 02:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
No worries. It's hard when there is no much vandalism and abuse to still assume good faith with new users. It's important though - we don't want to scare the good ones off. :-) - Borofkin 02:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

IWWC- three finalists[edit]

We're down to the last three finalists in the IWWC. Normally, the contest would end, and prizes would be awarded, but with only one prize, I suggest we keep the contest going, and do the following:

  • 1st Place: 33.30 euros
  • 2nd Place: 22.20 euros
  • 3rd Place: 11.10 euros

Any objections? Ral315 (talk) 00:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

I've thought about increasing the requirement to two articles/one with original research, to try and make it more interesting. Would that be better than an end date, as proposed by Cartman and PVJ? Ral315 (talk) 06:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

On blocking[edit]

I've lost some track on where the conversation is at concerning a user using two or more identities emanating from one person. What do you think? If a user is blocked on one identity, does it extend to another of their's? -Edbrown05 03:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Absolutely. I have said that a block is a block. If you have another screen name you use after you have been blocked, that IMO is block evasion, no matter how good you are editing. Jason Safoutin 13:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

On being a selfproclaimed cop here...[edit] as everywere else a buissnes of evidense. Dont judge withoute proof. international 13:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

So do a traceroute. Thats all i need given all the other Anon IPs have either been reverted or blocked that matched the exact ones neutralizer edits from. Jason Safoutin 13:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the harsh language as one of your rev was good (only abcom members) but dont act and revert on assumptions. A note is good enough and then you have to present some evidence and call for a block. international 14:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

U.S. Senate defeats bill banning gay marriage[edit]

OK, I'm in class reading the article, and the girl next to me thinks whoever wrote the article is an idiot for having the American flag with an "American flag" caption on it. Really, do we need a picture of the Earth there too? Or the solar system? 17:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC) (w:User:Audacity)Reply

Both being in the article are NPOV. they are both related to the article. Regardless of English or french or whatever language you speak believe it or not there are people out there who do not know what either of the symbols mean. As for an idiot, please use WN:E when speaking to users. Calling people "idiots" can be considered a personal attack. Jason Safoutin 18:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Sorry about my "etiquette." I don't think the person is an idiot, and neither does the girl - that was just the impression that the article gave. And as I said, I didn't remove the image on NPOV concerns, but because it is almost patronizing in its obviousness. If you start to include pictures for any relevant subject, no matter how well-known the subject is, you will end up with pictures of the solar system on every article. Take a fresh look at the article, and I think you will see how patently ridiculous the flag is. 18:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)(w:User:Audacity)Reply
I have looked. I added may be your personal opinion that it looks "ridiculous" but it represents NPOV to have both and not just one or the other. Planets stars and whatever else in space has nothing to do with this article. Jason Safoutin 18:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
The article takes place on Earth, no? So therefore, it represents NPOV to not have a picture of Earth as well, huh? In fact, if I didn't feel a need to not make disruptivepoints, I'd add picures of a man and a woman ("The bill would define marriage as between a man and a woman") to "illustrate" the article for anyone who doesn't know what a man or a woman is.
The point is that there has to be some limit to the amount of illustration, and that an American flag "make[s] this article look like Wikinews is edited by five year olds" ([3]). 17:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


Hi Jason.... this is unhelpful. Remember that Ealturner is a relatively new user. He has been actively participating on the talk page, and going to great lengths to try and explain his position. Throwing policy-links at him is only going to increase the level of tension. - Borofkin 00:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

I will not be threatened by him. I will not be intimidated by him. This user may be new, but has done nothing but threaten and insult users. I refuse to collaborate with someone who does not want to accept the fact that there are others around. Discussing one thing, moving to publish when there is a dispute is another. Jason Safoutin 00:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
I don't think he was threatening you, he was trying to make a point. He almost certainly didn't realise that "rustling up 2 dozen people" would be a violation of Wikinews policy. We try to educate new users, not go to war with them. Your edit was more intimidating than anything he has said. - Borofkin 00:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
I disagree. The community was threatened. Not once but a few times on that talk page. The user was asked nicely once to use ediquette. He chose not to. But when WN is threatened with a task force, thats more intimidating than anything any opther user can do. Not to mention the fact that this is not the first time a task force was threatened or asked to come into play. Jason Safoutin 01:02, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
The key word is education. We should educate new users, not intimidate them. The lessons of the past twelve months are that when users are intimidated, they start to lash out, and become more of a problem. - Borofkin 01:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
And IMO i did educate him. He did not and does not listen. I am sorry but I disagree. Once you threaten users to that extent, I don't trust them. Jason Safoutin 01:13, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
I'm not saying you should trust him, I'm saying you should be nice to him. Saying "I am no longer going to collaborate with you" is not being nice. - Borofkin 01:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
I said that only after I was threatened. Jason Safoutin 02:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
I support Jason in this case. PVJ (Talk) 03:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Are you saying that you support Jason's failure to assume good faith and turn the other cheek as required by Wikinews:Etiquette, or that you support him in the debate over the use of the term "terrorist"? - Borofkin 04:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
I support Jason's view on the use of the word "terrorist" and also his opinion about Ealturner who I also feel is being unnecessarily disruptive. PVJ (Talk) 05:25, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
To be honest I don't understand what you mean by "disruptive". Are you refering to the "Disruption" section on WN:BP? What I see on Talk:Terrorists seize 50 in Iraq is a vigorous debate. I don't see anything even approaching disruption. - Borofkin 05:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


I think that someone should take out: If you haven't done so already, you may want to create an account. What do you think? FellowWikiNews 22:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

In a sense I agree...but the same message is sent to anonymous IPs. Maybe we can create a message specifically for anonymous IPs and one for new users? Jason Safoutin 22:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Please be civil!!! Yes someone should change it. FellowWikiNews 15:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Can only admins change it? FellowWikiNews 18:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Currently only "Sysops" can change it since 20:18, August 17, 2005 when Cspurrier protected "Template:Welcome" to "prevent edits by mistake". I think an admin could make changes. I'd suggest leaving a message on Cspurrier's talk page about your ideas. Karen 18:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
If you have changes you'd like on the hello template, the correct way to request them is to put a diff or some other form of proposal on the talk page (for example, use a {{quote}} template to show before/after) and bring it up on WN:ALERT. I think it might be a good idea having a hello template and a helloIP template, as long as the welcomittee page was also updated to point to this. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
On Wikipedia they have one, for users and one for IP's. Check this diff [4]. FellowWikiNews 19:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
The hello template is widely used, so changes should be discussed on the Water cooler. I protected it because it was getting edits intended for users talk pages, almost weekly--Cspurrier 19:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Here is the link to the discussion at the Water cooler. FellowWikiNews 19:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
The hello template should be substituted, so that changes don't effect users, and one they click edit, it doesn't confuse new users, that they're not editing their own page. I don't think its neccesessary to go through so many hoops to edit it. What happened to be bold (as in get an admin to be bold for you), the revert button is in easy reach if someone doesn't like what you put. Bawolff ☺☻ 20:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


As was mentioned by Amgine, you are not supposed to debate over articles on the Administrative Action Alert page, as the latter is meant to draw the attention of Administrators (like me) to issues which might the attention of such trusted users. Since you have been around here for so long, I believe you are aware of the fact that there are talk pages for sorting out disagreements about articles. So please stop taking such disputes to the Alert page to attract attention to what you have to say. PVJ (Talk) 11:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Maybe when help is needed users should not be ignored by either the user he/she is in dispute with, use Ediquetter, and Not be ignored by Administraters, all of which were more than happy to reply once a 1. request for mediation was made and 2. when the alert was posted. As I said before, I was ignored...period and told my concerns were "straggling." If I am ignored on the talk page...then where to? Maybe more attention needs to be paid around here. Jason Safoutin 12:02, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


I have blocked Garbage for persistent personal attacks against various groups of people. He was insulting gay people and calling them wussies probably in a effort to bait you- just in case you did not read that message of his before it was deleted. PVJ (Talk) 16:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
Also about the Writing Contest, don't you think it would make it more interesting if the system of jokers was done away with? There would be more competition. In any case, do reconsider it. Thanks. PVJ (Talk) 16:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply
No I really don't as we all have earned a lot of them. Jason Safoutin 16:57, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


You seem to have missed one of my questions above- would you have a problem with requiring two articles per day, or one with original research? Jokers would still be kept; I have no intention of removing those. Ral315 (talk) 18:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Nope. I would not have a ptoblem with that :) Jason Safoutin 01:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Don't you think[edit]

... that's a little much for the Main Page. 3 top who cares stories (actually, I like the meteorite story)? -Edbrown05 01:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

In reality I do support this mix of the smaller news events in addition to the larger ones being featured... it's a question of keeping the mix of top news mixed, something I'm sure you are aware of. -Edbrown05 01:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

You will be missed![edit]

I noticed that in about 48 hours, you will stop editing Wikinews for an extended period of time. I think I speak for more than myself when I say that we'll miss you and your wonderful articles about petty squabbles in corrupt northeastern cities in spoiled countries... Anyways, what I was wondering is if I could maintain your IWWC page while you're gone, so it can still be up-to-date about your status in the contest. I won't drop out for you, but I'll be sure to note each day and all that. Let me know on my talk page. —THIS IS MESSEDOCKER (TALK) 01:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


I don't think you will see me any time soon giving up on the idea of cartoons here at Wikinews. I did find one link to a water cooler topic on cartoons :WikiTOONS.

There was another slightly more drawn out discussion on the water cooler that I can't find after looking for a while. The point is, I think there is interest in this, only its execution is hard to achieve.

So, expect to revisit the topic another day. Good luck on your moving and best regards :) Edbrown05 04:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

RE: Notice[edit]

It is disappointing that you have to go on a forced break for a while. I sure hope you get things up and running as quickly as possible - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 11:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Reply


Thanks as always you are a help - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 11:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Picture of David Andreson in Exclusive: David Anderson talks about the Stardust@home project[edit]

This picture that you added to that article [5] has been deleted at commons do to lack of source [6] Do you by any chance know the source of it so we can get it undeleted? Bawolff ☺☻ 21:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Writing competition[edit]

Can you give me paypal details for the prize payout? --Brian McNeil / talk 15:59, 9 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

RfA :([edit]

Thanks for voting on my RfA. Unfortunately a consensus was not reached. Anyway, thanks for voting. MyName 01:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

BTW, this message is the same for everyone :)

Where ya' been?[edit]

I missed you DF; welcome back...great article about the new alqueada stuff. Neutralizer 00:24, 28 July 2006 (UTC)Reply


is this not news: Capitol Hill fries and toast French again? Doldrums 18:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)Reply


What a word, and how did you ever manage to spell it!? :) Best regards Edbrown05 01:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

You've been nominated for adminship![edit]

Please accept or reject the nomination on WN:A. —this is messedrocker (talk) 03:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

If you accept the nomination, you will find yourself in a whole new perspective of your approach to Wikinews. If your primary interest lies in writing/reporting, I will guarantee you that you will do less news reporting as an administrator than you would do as an accreditted reporter. I'll support your choice, whatever it might be. -Edbrown05 05:05, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
That's not always true, though: Doldrums and PVJ are admins and they're still quite the regular contributors of news stories. —this is messedrocker (talk) 05:29, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
As Chevy Chase once famously said, "No thank you, I had a rebuttal for breakfast." Your ability to write care-free DragonFire will be diminished by adminship + u ain't gettin' paid = do I wanna? -Edbrown05 06:04, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Considering the fact that you have failed three nominations already, I would suggest you mull over whether you really want to stand for Administratorship at this point of time. Although I have opposed your request, I wish you the best of luck. PVJ(Talk) 13:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Annan demands Hezbollah free abducted soldiers & Israel lift blockade[edit]

I have made a proposal here (which I've since implemented) in regards to how to handle the cause/effect situation in regards to kidnapping. Would you like to comment on it? —this is messedrocker (talk) 17:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)Reply


Congrats, you are now an admin. If you have any questions let me know --Cspurrier 01:19, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations you are a sysop! FellowWikiNews (W) 01:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Welcome to the secret Cabal, which doesn't exsist well I'm on the subject...

On a more surious note, Good luck with your super-admin powers, I know you've tried to become an admin for a while, and you deserve it. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:58, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Congratulations! Good luck as an Administrator. PVJ(Talk) 07:12, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply


...beat you to it! :-p --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:59, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

LOL so I see...good job :) Jason Safoutin 01:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Neut and rules? ....[edit]

who gives a shit what amgine says, you(?), the world is the arbitor. -Edbrown05 06:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

By the way, when we block problem users (such as BanLifted) indefinitely, we usually protect their talk-pages to prevent trolling. Be careful though, only take such action when the user is an obvious troll. PVJ(Talk) 17:06, 1 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Renamed article hay fever tablets[edit]

Dear DragonFire1024,

thx for moving the article, I like the title. Now that you have mentioned it, the title was indeed POV. I didn't notice because of my English: I thought "hailed" implied some sence of skepticism about the fact that it's being hailed, but that might have just been a strange twist in my mind. Anyway, thank you for the title change. Your doing a great job keeping the standards high around here.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 01:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


Thanks Jason! can you tell me how to stop vandalism?? apologies for earlier vandalism from this IP... bloody schoolkids again! -- 13:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

yes, no, maybe to turning on CSS for you[edit]

Is that a yes, no or a maybe for turning on my CSS changes (Partial redesign) to your user account ? Bawolff ☺☻ 00:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


Wow, congratulations, Jason! Sorry I'm late to the party. I had hoped you'd be accepted by the community in light of the massive amount of work you've done. (Oh, and regarding that little thing on WN:ALERT, some people just don't get it. Don't worry about it.) Good luck! irid:t 03:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

New York fugitive Ralph Bucky Phillips cought[edit]

I've created the article. I hope you will like it. FellowWikiNews (W) 22:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


[7] Why did you revert? —this is messedrocker (talk) 22:30, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Is it necessary to have the whole words there? I mean its totally obvious what the words are. Its not censorship, is being careful as we do not know who is reading WN. Parents would not be too fond to see that on a site anywhere. Jason Safoutin 22:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
It's kind of ridiculous for a "free news source" to be censored isn't it? Or is it just you who has a problem with the words fuck, shag, and shit? 23:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
I have no problem with them. But many readers might. And if a younger teenager is reading them its not our job to influence them Jason Safoutin 23:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
I have to say that personally, I don't think we should cennsor dirrect quotes. (Wikinews is not censored for the protection of minnors - is a policy/disclaimer)Bawolff ☺☻ 01:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Wikinews's current policy is to include such content, provided it breaches neither any of our existing policies (especially Neutral point of view) nor the laws of the state of Florida in the United States, where Wikinews is hosted. → from Wikinews:Content disclaimer

Image commons:Image:000 0038.jpg[edit]

You may want to sort out the copyright status on that image. It looks like you want to license it under CC-BY-2.5. The version at wikinews is licensed under CC-BY-NC 2.5. If the other version is avalible under the CC-BY, then we're supposed to delete the NC version acording to WN:FU. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

I think I fixed it?? Jason Safoutin 22:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Admin vote[edit]

Just want to draw your attention to the current admin nomination vote. Crimson 21:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

confused about what needs to be changed in Hubble article[edit]

Hi. I was just wondering what needed to be cleaned up in the "Hubble Finds 16 New Planets" article. I would like to correct as soon as possible.

Mputney 23:55, 4 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Please take care[edit]

Nowhere in that article did it say that North Korea said it would fire a nuclear missile at the U.S. As the North Koreans have reiterated that they would not do a first strike attack (which would just be suicidal, anyway, especially given that neither their missiles nor their nuclear warheads seem to work), it is a bit more likely that they meant as a test. At the very least, don't extrapolate in such sensationalistic ways if you can help it. --Fastfission 00:43, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Re:Al Qaeda freedom-fighters.[edit]

I have explained here, why the use of words such as "terrorist" is POV. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written) 02:52, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

descriptive names of images[edit]

In future could you use more descriptive names on your pictures. Five years from now I'll know what image:heavy snow in Buffalo being cleared by guy.jpg is, but I won't know what Image:000 0266 (2).jpg is just by looking at the name. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:47, 13 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I would if I could, but the program will not allow me to save under different names for some reason. :( Jason Safoutin 20:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

ISO norms are POV ?[edit]

you surprise me. this ISO list is, of course and by building, a neutral thing create to help people to communicate. my goal was not to insult anyone but to stop this discution about Israel and any other of this kind.


Jacques Divol

Letter of reccommendation?[edit]

I was thinking of applying to a "paying" online news site...and NOT leave Wikinews...but was also wondering if there is any way someone can write a letter of reccomendation or something...just wondering. Not a defiante or anything just thinking about it. Jason Safoutin 21:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I could write a letter, but I don't know anyone from CNN, MSNBC, or anything, so if you want me to, let me know on my talk page. Thunderhead(talk) 21:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I wish it were CNN or something to that nature. :) Jason Safoutin 21:34, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Maybe Associated Press? Thunderhead(talk) 21:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
It's called, All Headline News... Jason Safoutin 21:36, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


This is to warn you that you are becomingly increasingly incivil in your interactions with me, despite being asked to stick to topic on discussion pages, instead of ranting about alleged "POV pushing" on my part. You have, in the past, accused me of being a "hate influence", and have expressed a desire to ban me from the project. If you continue to behave in this manner, I will take action against you. Once again, remember that discussion pages are for debating changes to the concerned article, not for reporting alleged POV-pushing. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written) 02:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


Today's the 24th of October (i.e 1024). Is that a special date for you? If it is, just wanted to wish you a happy birthday (?). If it's just another day for you, please accept my belated/advanced greeting anyway. PVJ(Talk)(Articles I have written) 16:14, 24 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

PS-I just rented the Da Vinci Code :-)


I hope you don't mind that I made this change to one of your edits. 20:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

User:Offical Reporter[edit]

Is this an inappropriate username? I didn't know whether to list it on WN:ALERT or not. Thunderhead(talk) 20:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I'll do that. Thunderhead(talk) 21:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

finish on Newsroom[edit]

The newsroom counts any article that is not disputed published or no publish (and a couple others) in the develop list. See Test-finished-newsroom and Wikinews:Newsroom develop list. Bawolff 00:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Well know it has no-pub on it, so it won't show up, but it did show up one it only had finished on it. Bawolff 00:56, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

My RfA[edit]

Thanks for your vote on my RfA. I appreciate all votes, however I would like some advice from you on how I can achieve your trust, so that if my RfA should fail, I have a good solid backing to work up from and rerun in the future. If you could leave some suggestions or comments on my talk page, that would be much appreciated. I am not asking you to remove or change your vote at all, rather some tips and any personal experience that you have on how to best achieve what you expect in an admin. Thanks again! --Skenmy(tcwi) 15:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Your vote does not discourage me, but rather gives me a good idea of where it is I stand and how members of the community feel I should improve myself and my contributions to Wikinews. Once again, thanks for your vote and for your comments and suggestions - they are truly appreciated. --Skenmy(tcwi) 20:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

You got one too.[edit]

Looks like you have an impostor on Wikiquote too, Jeffq just blocked it. Emergency Account 23:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I am NOT a vandal on there and I just created my page to watch the RC. So Please unblock me. Jason Safoutin 00:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
That makes me sad. I don't have an imposter... (Seriously, I'm gonna go make one). Thunderhead(talk) 00:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
I don't have was my account blocked...see if I help them again. Jason Safoutin 00:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Okay, q:User:Thunderhead is mine. Thunderhead(talk) 00:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Don't be an @ss Jason. Massive cross-wiki trolling is going on. It's preventative; I'll unblock you in three days. InvisibleSun 00:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, you're gonna just have to wait it out. Especially after some discoveries we made on Wikiquote connecting you to a particular user. InvisibleSun 00:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Buddy, you asked for an Unblock using the same IP ( that Wazzawazzawaz and MyName use. What else do you want? InvisibleSun 00:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Please bear in mind that this is precisely the kind of confusion that this vandal is trying to foster. Arguing about temporary blocks is essentially feeding this troll. It would be best if we stick to our individual projects until the immediate problem is over. ~ Jeffq 00:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

If this continues, I will be asking you both to go to the Wikinews AND Wikiquote Aribition Comittie. I think that you to need to have a nice cup of tea. Thunderhead(talk) 00:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

There is no proof of this act against me nor is there any evidence. I demand that this be looked into right now. It is ridicilous that I am getting treated like this. Jason Safoutin 00:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply