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Weekly Archived Article[edit]

I think we should add a section to the main page, with a different article from the archives each week, called "This Week's Archived Article", or something to that effect, in a way similar to Wikipedia's "Today's Featured Article". This would help make the main page more lively, which, in turn, would probably bring in a few new readers. --Queen Laura (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I've got a somewhat similar feature on the replacement I'm designing for the archives splash page, at User:Pi zero/Archives. The old version of the page had had such a thing but it required someone to manually adjust it over time, as the number of years in the archive increased, so of course it didn't get maintained. I tried to set up mine to work without manual intervention, which sort-of worked. It didn't quite work out as neatly as I wanted it to; and I hadn't thought of it in terms of whether it'd be suitable for the main page. --Pi zero (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Brexit results[edit]

I observed in his article brexit there are no results . I propose that someone put them .--Wikijournalist (talk) 15:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

We don't add things to archived articles. --Pi zero (talk) 16:06, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I know. Someone administrator to do it.--Wikijournalist (talk) 12:10, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Even an administrator can not make substantial edits to a news article afte24 hours of its publication.
acagastya 12:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
To clarify: it's not a matter of software permissions, but of policy. We consider a news article in our archives to be a record of the past, a snapshot in time, and making substantive changes to such an article would amount to rewriting history. --Pi zero (talk) 13:11, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Once you put it that way. I said only the results to add someone administrator.--Wikijournalist (talk) 06:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

If an archived article mentions Liverpool, it won't be a problem to add 'Merseyside' for dinner clarifications be required. But add the result is a sustainable edit. Per the Wikinews guideline, we must not do that.
acagastya 07:29, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Source for funding and sharing[edit]

Institute for Nonprofit News Has the Wikinews community ever reached out to join the INN? I think this could be a good way of getting funding and sharing resources with other news agencies performing journalism in the public interest. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:03, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

We'd need an incorporated entity. Wikinews is just part of the WMF; Laura wanted us to set up an incorporated entity, of course, but the WMF sabotaged that. --Pi zero (talk) 18:17, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Then could we get the WMF at large to do it or Wikinewsie? —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
I would not trust the WMF to get involved if they were willing to, which I don't think they would. Their collective notion of what they should be doing, while painfully at odds which what they should be doing for the sake of Wikipedia, is far, far more at odds with news principles. And Wikinewsie is atm an internet domain, not a legal entity in itself. --Pi zero (talk) 22:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Sorry: that's what I was trying to ask--can we incorporate it as an independent non-profit? Would you be interested? —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:42, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
That would be a question on which to bring in Brian McNeil. I'll look into whether I can get in touch with him after the review I've just started. --Pi zero (talk) 22:48, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
@Pi zero:, @Brian McNeil: Let me know what I can do. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:54, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

@Pi zero:, @Brian McNeil: Do you think we could incorporate for funding? —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Saving the articles[edit]

Many news applications have an option to save an article to read later. So, should we provide an option to save the articles for future reading for registered users? And it has to be different from the watchlist as the watchlist keeps on growing.
acagastya 09:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Hm. There would have to be persistent data storage somewhere, to remember which articles are involved, and it would have to detect when a previously-saved article has been read. It can't be stored on the public wiki, since that would create an invasion-of-privacy problem. Cookies, I suppose; I've never worked with them, so don't know the techniques. Javascript, probably. --Pi zero (talk)
We will create a script and mention how it works and that script will create a link on the left hand menu to add the article to a pager in userspace to do that. If the article is already listed, there will be an option to remove it. How about that?
acagastya 13:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Based on cookies, or storing info in the public wiki?

Sounds... challenging to implement. In competition with, well, everything else.

There is no left menu in the mobile view; I'd think mobile users might be a significant part of the clientele for the feature.

All my objections as may be, this is an interesting idea. It would probably want to be a gadget, perhaps (once working smoothly) enabled by default for all registered users. --Pi zero (talk) 14:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Weekly live chat meetings/workshops[edit]

I would like to experiment with weekly live chat sessions at #wikinews-en or #wikinews (which is better?), announced on-site and on social media, where we can get together and collaborate on

  • possibly helping newcomers (if there are any attending) to write, or
  • try to get the review and draft queues killed (if no newcomers are attending, or if there's enough contributors attending to handle both tasks).

This is a hard question because of timezones. Which day of week and what time would you be available at in UTC? What do you think of the idea?

I would be willing to do note-taking for each such meeting, if I am attending and people are interested in notes (people ABC attending, so-and-so X article written, article Y corrected, article Z reviewed, etc). Thanks. --Gryllida 00:45, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

18:00-20:00 (easier) or 10:00-11:00 (harder) any day of week. --Gryllida 00:45, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
That is the UTC time? (It would be difficult for the south east Asian citizens as that would be college/ working/ school time.)
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 08:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Disaster template[edit]

Can we remove the tornado image from the template?

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154319397873049&id=48245858048

Every story in the category takes the image as it's lead on Facebook, even if there's an actual image in the article. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

@Zanimum: Is this a recent development? For some time we made sure the main image on the article was at least 260px, because brianmc had reported a problem with facebook if the image was smaller than that, but now that you've jogged my memory I realized I forgot and stopped doing that a while ago (not sure exactly when, off hand). --Pi zero (talk) 02:56, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
So select a different image, or remove it. In any event, we will not and can not reduce our site to suit somebody else's. If it is no longer possible to choose another image or deselect, that's Facebook's problem. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 11:18, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
I tried to remove it a week ago, but it appeared to be a template in the template. I don't see how removing a generic image would be a reduction. In other templates, the generic images are genetically relevant, like the Ukraine flag and map for Ukrainian articles.
Yes, @Blood Red Sandman:, on desktop you can substitute images, but ultimately we need to make things as easy as possible for readers to share Wikinews content, to ensure we're supporting the maintenance of an active readership base, how ever they choose to find the content.
Not sure how long term the issue has been, @Pi zero:. I've been the one updating Facebook for the last few months, it's possible that I've just forgotten. -- Zanimum (talk) 11:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Replacing the image with something preferable, that's an acceptable solution. I'm more than happy for that kind of action to aid with fb. Simply removing the image altogether, and leaving a bland text-only infobox? That's something I'm not up for. Especially if the problem's roots aren't even with Facebook themselves but rather an insistence on doing things via mobile. Mobile browsers are improving all the time but they still aren't fit for purpose, in much the way mobile phone cameras only became serviceable in the last few years. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 11:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@Zanimum: I've heard you were updating facebook, which is deeply appreciated. Customizing the infoboxen is designed to be easy; at {{Disasters and accidents}}, it says "Customize this infobox here" with a link to a table containing customizing parameters. In this case they're likely self-explanatory, though there's a link to where documentation on the fields can be found. I agree with BRS, a different image would be fine; I've been thinking for years the Disasters and accidents infobox image is often less topical than the images on other infoboxen. As I mentioned, making the main image a little bit bigger might fix the problem, which I don't mind trying although there's a bit of a problem with remembering to do it consistently. --Pi zero (talk) 12:32, 6 December 2016 (UTC)