User talk:Jurock

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Welcome[edit]

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Thank you for adding the notes. I speak a little Spanish but my English is still better.

Enjoy Wikinews,

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:40, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

"Police assrape terrified monkey in Wisconsin, USA" was vandalism[edit]

Hello,

I noticed you reverted my blank page at Police assrape terrified monkey in Wisconsin, USA. This was page move vandalism; the original title was Police capture escaped monkey in Wisconsin, USA. I'm sorry if it looked like I was a vandal myself, but I was only trying to help. 4.245.131.210 03:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

No offense taken. I just found the discussion about this at Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts. Thank you for your work, and I hope those vandals grow up soon. 4.245.131.210 04:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

On Wikinews talk:2007/September[edit]

Done irid:t 01:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

PD[edit]

Well, We do not have a policy for PD or CC articles. I for one and not too fond of having an article that could be big news for WN, then have FOX News steal the material again. There is no policy against it, but it is not recommended. Also the rest of the editors who contribute to the article, also have to agree to PD. If you need a clearer answer, let me know...Just woke up and the coffee is still brewing :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 09:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

In short, there are two types of people - those who want to make Wikinews a recognisable, veritable news organisation (and thus want to make sure that accredition to "Wikinews" is included by anybody who uses the story), and those that hope by waiving the need for attribution, the actual information in the story will be spread further, even if Wikinews/they get no credit for it. To give a "extremely unlikely illustration" (as the author of the story to which you linked...) if I wake up tomorrow and see my local newspaper that is an identical, exact copy of my WN article on al-Tunisi - I'm not going to be mad and demand to know where my byline is - I'm just going to be glad that they were willing to use it, whereas they might not have if it weren't public domain, since they wouldn't want to appear "amateur" and admitting they were 'stealing' Wikinews material. At the end of the day, CC works best to ensure that more and more news is released as CC, rather than copyrighted (the beauty of shareAlike) -- while public domain works best to ensure the furthest transmission of the information. Hope that's some help at understanding the thoughts behind it - but don't worry, as much as WMF loves GFDL/CC for their 'Freedom', the public domain is even more free :) Sherurcij 09:57, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
A couple points on your explanations. First off, all cc does not (or at least the variant used on wikinews. there are many variants of cc) make sure more news is under a free license. All the CC we're talking about (known as CC-BY 2.5) does is make sure if someone republishes, copies, modifies, etc one of our article, they say originally from wikinews (or something along those lines. see [1]). They do not require you to redistribute stuff under the same license This is sort of similar to how if a news paper uses an associated press story, they have to give credit where credit is due (except then you also have to pay and follow all sorts of restrictions with the AP, wikinews you just have to credit). In theory, people see the by wikinews, and come over to the site and look at us. On the other hand, if it is in the public domain, you can essentially copy it and pretend it is yours (well at least in US, in other places like Canada, it is essentially the same as CC). As a whole, the community took a vote on what license we wished to use, and the cc came out as the winner. (see meta:Wikinews/License) (bear in mind IANAL, all usual disclaimers to copyright madness explanations apply). Bawolff 03:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Official wmf policy (I think) is all wikimedia projects are GFDL except for wikinews which is CC-BY 2.5. GFDL is in my (and many other people's but not everyone's) opinion an absolutly horrid license which is unsuitable to a site with our goals (and not really suitable to wikipedia either)

[responding to stuff on my page]

sorry for the confusion about my previous post. The basic answer to your original question, is someone wanted to make a pd, pd is less restrictive (at least in the US), then cc-by, so anything pd could also be used as cc-by (and therefor doesn't really violate any policies or cause problems), and no one opposed the person from making a pd article(s). Bawolff 22:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Finland[edit]

  • Laughs understandingly* well, I can understand why a quite country that doesn't really do much except in the music world isn't to many people's tastes. Still, most of the more traditionaly 'interesting' countries can only hold my interest for so long... Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 06:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Image:Ming Campbell during visit to Brent in September 2006.jpg[edit]

I can't upload it to commons, my account is messed up. Would you mind uploading it for us? Thanks. FellowWiki Newsie 22:17, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Speedy deletion[edit]

Hi, as of this writing, all of the articles in this category marked speedy are preps for future matches. I deleted a few of them, perhaps unwisely. User:Kingjeff needs to put those to be saved in WN:SP and User:Jurock shouldn't add these to WN:SD (speedy) without consulting the author (Kingjeff in this case). Story preparation is useful and should be used for events known to happen at certain time/eventually, but they shouldn't be floating about in WN:MAIN, the mainspace. --SVTCobra 02:17, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I see many of the articles I started in addvance are up for speedy deletion. This is to avoid the tedious work when I actually start writing them. Yes it is news or else sports would never find it's way into newscasts and newspapers. Kingjeff 17:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

RE protected edits[edit]

I fixed all but the css one because I have no clue how to do that :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I did the CSS. Due hard refresh to notice it. Bawolff 22:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Javascript[edit]

Umm, yes should work quite easily. The reason the warning is there is that when I modified the code from commons to do that, I had very limited knowledge of javascript, and sort of edited it into working, without it being designed paticualry robustly. The main problem with it is that it has everything coded for en.wikinews and /comments. All that really needs changing is that stuff to the equivelent in spanish. I would be happy to make the modifications. Bawolff 22:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

{{Date}}[edit]

Done irid t i e 00:16, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Byline/dateline[edit]

FYI - bylines are only used in cases of orignal reporting. See this section of the style guide. Cheers, --SVTCobra 15:56, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Oks. Well, it didn't harm anyone anyway, no? - Jurock (reply) 22:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments: namespace on es.[edit]

Has es.wikinews only started the comments experiment? I'd like to be kept informed how it works out. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Copyright question[edit]

Hi SVTCobra! (how I hate copyright). Well, I've seen you've used material from VOA News, but in their disclaimer a little phrase that has called my attention appears: "... we ask that you not abridge or edit any VOA material which you may use.". Isn't this a sort of "-nd" (non-derivatives), not compatible with our CC-BY? But, at the same time, the same copyright page states that "All text, audio and video material produced exclusively by the Voice of America is public domain [...]". I mean, 'public domain' means you can do absolutely everything with the material (except such things which are not allowed by law), thus meaning you can make derivative works. Nonetheless, the "we ask that you not abridge or edit any VOA material which you may use." doesn't actually –I dunno– guarantee this... Any thought? - Jurock (reply) 22:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a good question. I hope the use of "ask" means it is just a request. I will try to research this and seek input from others. I hope that we can at least update the information. I have not 'abridged' anything per se, but I have added stuff to their story. I hope this use is OK. I will let you know what I find out. --SVTCobra 22:51, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
I opened a discussion at the Water Cooler, see A question about public domain news sources. --SVTCobra 23:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Easier/ Oil prices[edit]

Hi! I was bold and made this thing (in which I've seen you've been involved) to be more easily updated (too much text confuses). Do you like it? It's what we do in Spanish Wikinews to update stock indexes... - Jurock (reply) 01:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I do like what I see. Perhaps there should be a "user guide" to help people who want to update. Something like what you should put if the market is down. I can see that it is {{profit}} if it is up, is the opposite "loss"? Also, from the sources that I use, the % change is not readily available, do I have to calculate that myself? It is clearly an improvement, nonetheless. --SVTCobra 01:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Not at all :) I just simply don't have the time I used to have, except when I have the weekends off...which is no good since the markets are not open on the weekends :-P I like the updates you made, now we just need it done automatically :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Editor status[edit]

Hi Jurock. I think you should apply for editor status since you are a trusted user. It saves us the trouble of 'checking' your edits. You can apply at the permission board. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I have promoted you to the Wikinews:Editor class, as I feel you can be trusted to mark revisions of articles as sighted (review). Take a moment to read:

If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask for help on my talk page, and thank you for contributing to Wikinews ! Cirt (talk) 16:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

We are not really using the Wikinews:Reviewer class on this project yet. Cirt (talk) 16:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Markets down across the world; Dow Jones falls below 9,000[edit]

Thanks for the extraordinarily help that you did on it. I look forward to working with you on the next article. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 21:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

It sure looks like that. You might want to see my comment over at Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals. We have a few editors here who seem rather inclined to work on economic related articles and it might be useful to create a place where we can work together. --PatrickFlaherty (talk) 21:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

WikiBureau Economics and business[edit]

Hiya Jurock,

I saw that you expressed an interest in the proposal for an economics and business bureau. It has been created at Wikinews:WikiBureau Economics and business.

Thanks,

Anonymous101talk 18:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

privs[edit]

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