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05:40, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
Request to archive articles
[edit]I think it is safe to archive all articles that pre-date our copyright license upgrade, which is all published articles preceding and including Actress Selena Gomez announces engagement to record producer Benny Blanco. Doing so will leave seven articles listed in our "Latest news" section on the main page. Whoever archives them, please remember to use {{Archived-cc-2.5}} to reflect the old CC version.
This will also allow us to close another action item in the Wikinews:2024 Copyright license upgrade project.
Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:57, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
- We now have more than ten articles published after the license upgrade project. The project occurred on December 16 and no articles were published that day. Therefore everything from Actress Selena Gomez announces engagement to record producer Benny Blanco and before, that is not already archived, can be archived using {{Archived-cc-2.5}}. After that is done, normal archiving can proceed using {{Archived}}. Please let me know if there are any questions regarding the unique archive process.
- The list of "Latest news" on our main page is growing very long, with more than half the articles in the list published last year. Archiving articles will remove them from that list. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 18:07, 7 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright You're OK with this being done by the bot, right? Leaderboard (talk) 04:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- I was thinking through this just now and thought of an alternative idea. The goal at the moment is to reduce the number of articles listed in the Latest news section on the main page. Maybe we come up with an additional Wikinews:Article stage tags such as
{{Current news|pub_date={{subst:CURRENTTIMESTAMP}} }}
that can be managed by a bot on a scheduled basis. For example, the bot runs every 24 hours and searches for articles publishedpub_date=X+7D
and it then adds those pages to an internal, hidden category such as Category:Past coverage or Category:Stale published and our DPL on the main page can be edited to exclude those categories in the Latest news section.
- I was thinking through this just now and thought of an alternative idea. The goal at the moment is to reduce the number of articles listed in the Latest news section on the main page. Maybe we come up with an additional Wikinews:Article stage tags such as
- That would at least address the immediate problem of a long list of old articles in the Latest news section while we figure out our official archival procedures, for which I have an idea not-yet proposed.
- What are your thoughts on that. Can that be done relatively painlessly on your side? Alternatively, I was about to recommend we archive stable-only, published articles and add them to Category:Archived-bot in order to track them for later, post-archival review.
- Related, I just found we have a {{Latest news}} and there appears to be a lot of old discussions around it that might (or might not) help inform us here. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Ultimately, it is not clear to me why all this post-processing work is needed - can't the bot just auto-archive articles after three weeks of no edits, for instance? In other words, I'm not seeing the need for "later, post-archival review". Leaderboard (talk) 17:37, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- I assume the original intent was 'thoroughness' and quality of the final product. I tend to agree with you, but if we follow Chesterton's fence, we should probably work with it until we can get it formally changed. Given that so few admin enjoy or actually want to do the archival, I don't think that will be hard. Feel free to jump in here as well: Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Update to archival process. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 18:55, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think human doing it is because there may be technical issues like missing images or accidentally sighted vandalism. This is why this could be good to semi automate it. Like the 'make lead' gadget. List of articles which require archival, possible to tick boxes next to each of them and click 'archive'. (Then up to responsible admin to figure out how to click each article link and proofread or check). Gryllida (talk) 09:36, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Ultimately, it is not clear to me why all this post-processing work is needed - can't the bot just auto-archive articles after three weeks of no edits, for instance? In other words, I'm not seeing the need for "later, post-archival review". Leaderboard (talk) 17:37, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Related, I just found we have a {{Latest news}} and there appears to be a lot of old discussions around it that might (or might not) help inform us here. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:54, 14 February 2025 (UTC)
- Someone please give me a list of what needs to be archived, and how to do it. I can do it now. Gryllida (talk) 09:27, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- The list and procedures are both at WN:Archive. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 13:19, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- I archived this one. This involved me sighting my own edits. Does what I did look correct? If yes, then I will proceed to archive the others. Please let me know. Gryllida (talk) 19:41, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- My main reference for archiving is SVTCobra’s approach, which includes retrieving archive URLs for sources (and likely forcing an archive if needed). You can see examples here:[1], [2], [3], [4].
- The changes you made to the article could be done quickly by a bot. This isn’t a critique of your work—it’s the core of the discussion. Do we want to keep a tedious, unpopular archival process, or simplify it so a bot can handle most of the work? —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 22:13, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Someone needs to agree how to do it. Manually doing several may help for this. It may also help (for now) with reducing vandalism.
- Someone can simplify it if they want. I recommended semi-automated with a list of articles with tick boxes next to them and an archive button. This would be in JavaScript and edits would be made from name of the admin who is using the gadget. Would you use such a gadget?
- Would you like to implement it, or someone else, or would you like me to do it?
- Gryllida (talk) 20:28, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Would you like to implement it, or someone else, or would you like me to do it? If you are asking me that, I won't be able to, as I'm not an admin.
- Part of what I have proposed here is to change the archive process so that after 24 hours, article are protected to a level where reviewers can still edit them and can help with the archival process. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:34, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
- Would be good to have a script like this for archival, but add functions: archive source URLs. Asked here. Regards, Gryllida (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Would be good to automatically archive sources after article is published. Gryllida (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- This is just depressing, no way I am archiving these URLs manually. :-( Gryllida (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- I archived this one. This involved me sighting my own edits. Does what I did look correct? If yes, then I will proceed to archive the others. Please let me know. Gryllida (talk) 19:41, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- The list and procedures are both at WN:Archive. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 13:19, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
┌────────────────┘
We have some conversations about this spread around, so for anyone wanting to follow along:
- Wikinews:Admin_action_alerts#Request_to_archive_articles
- Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Update_to_archival_process
- User_talk:Leaderboard#Archiving
—Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:18, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think it's fine to fully automate as long as there is a tracking category to clear manually after archival. This would solve issues with spam/vandalism to articles which were already published, while still leave human viewing archived articles for unexpected issues. Gryllida (talk) 23:24, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
Request to update sitenotice
[edit]Can we update the sitenotice to the following?
Help revitalize Wikinews. Join the discussion at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Project_proposal_for_2025|Project proposal for 2025]]
Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 18:43, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
Done, a purge of the cache may be needed on some pages. Leaderboard (talk) 04:51, 31 January 2025 (UTC)
Local block for vandalism
[edit]2804:658C:2118:500:74D4:B1F2:D4A:7C56 (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Warning placed.[8]
Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:31, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
- It's been two days old and this is kind of stale as a result. Ping me if this reoccurs. Leaderboard (talk) 15:44, 13 February 2025 (UTC)
Recent Deletions
[edit]My apologies for the recent deletions of broken redirects. I didn't think about the local policy when deleting them and will do my best to follow the policy for global sysops in the future. Ternera (talk) 02:32, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Ternera I think your deletion of broken redirects were fine - don't worry. None of them had anything meaningful in them. Leaderboard (talk) 04:00, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Good to know – any chance the GS policy on this wiki can be updated to spam, vandalism and other uncontroversial maintenance? I would've deleted them myself saving some time for others had the policy permitted for GS deletions other than spam/vandalism. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Let's see if others comment here (pinging a few active contributors, such as @Gryllida, @Michael.C.Wright, @Heavy Water, @Asheiou and @BigKrow). Leaderboard (talk) 06:03, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Gryllida sorry didn't ping correctly the first time. Leaderboard (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Ternera, thanks for helping with maintenance tasks!
- @Gryllida sorry didn't ping correctly the first time. Leaderboard (talk) 06:04, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Let's see if others comment here (pinging a few active contributors, such as @Gryllida, @Michael.C.Wright, @Heavy Water, @Asheiou and @BigKrow). Leaderboard (talk) 06:03, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Good to know – any chance the GS policy on this wiki can be updated to spam, vandalism and other uncontroversial maintenance? I would've deleted them myself saving some time for others had the policy permitted for GS deletions other than spam/vandalism. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- SHB2000, I personally fall on the side of 'more help is welcome' and tend to agree that we could expand the policy to include uncontroversial maintenance. But we'd have to define that. I propose we permit the following as uncontroversial, especially when already flagged using {{Delete}} by a Wikinews editor: A7, A9, A10, R1 (the case above), R3, G1, and G6 (all from our Wikinews:Criteria for speedy deletion policy).
- It is my opinion that the more help we get for maintenance tasks the better. We have so few active admin as it is. More help from GS could also free up local admin time for other tasks such as protected edit requests and article archival, two desperately needed and often despised-by-admin tasks. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be more flexible and essentially open things up to GS discretion. It can be made clear in the rules that global sysops should not delete articles without very good reasons, but I don't think it's needed to "tie down" GS to a few set criteria. Leaderboard (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- I would assume what was originally intended was to prevent global sysops from touching existing articles, which I agree should be left to the local community. --SHB2000 (talk) 22:51, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'd be more flexible and essentially open things up to GS discretion. It can be made clear in the rules that global sysops should not delete articles without very good reasons, but I don't think it's needed to "tie down" GS to a few set criteria. Leaderboard (talk) 18:02, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- It is my opinion that the more help we get for maintenance tasks the better. We have so few active admin as it is. More help from GS could also free up local admin time for other tasks such as protected edit requests and article archival, two desperately needed and often despised-by-admin tasks. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:39, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- I'm open to allowing GS more discretion on what they're allowed to do here. I'm probably not the best person to ask about the specifics here, I'm infinitely averse to wikipolitics, but I'd support it in principle Ash Thawley (talk) (calendar) 21:43, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello
- Deleting broken redirects is uncontroversial.
- But local admins can handle it. Unlike vandals or spammers, it doesn't pile up as quickly.
- In light of the pros and cons arguments above, I personally have neutral position about it.
- What else is the subject of this discussion?
- Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 00:39, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with Leaderboard that we can be more trusting with the GS. I am not aware of any problems beyond the one mentioned by Cromium here. That was eight months ago and early in our acceptance of help. I mentioned specific restrictions in anticipation of others wanting the same but I'm more happy opening it up to GS discretion, as that could result in broader help. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:40, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright @SHB2000 @Gryllida @Ternera
- I haven't seen any opposition to the proposal, and hence updated Wikinews:Global_permissions accordingly. I've deliberately not defined "uncontroversial maintenance", because I don't see the need to, and I believe that global sysops are capable enough of determining what should be left to local admins. Leaderboard (talk) 06:46, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Cheers, Leaderboard. :) --SHB2000 (talk) 07:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- FYI: Diff. -- Gryllida (talk) 08:28, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Excellent, thank you! Ternera (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- This is not a complaint, but a heads-up for Global Sysops: our date categories are intentionally created in advance and may remain empty until their date passes. They are used to track and organize published articles. On March 11, the empty category for March 31 was deleted [10]. We use User:Asked42/QuickCat at the start of each month to create all date categories, and pages are assigned via the {{Date}} template when it is added to articles.
- The deleted category was easily recreated—no issue there. Just wanted to flag this for awareness. Thanks again for your support! —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 17:38, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
Local user block
[edit]City Smash (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
Vandalizing published articles.[11]
Also please edit-protect all published articles per WN:Archive.
Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 19:22, 22 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Can the bot do that (archiving), to be clear? I didn't get consensus the last time. Leaderboard (talk) 01:54, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think we should proceed with archiving using the bot for now and add all bot-archived articles to the hidden, internal Category:Archived-bot so we can track them and go back and re-review them if that is the consensus.
- Are you able to set it up with the following conditions?
- Maintain roughly ten articles unarchived (to keep a list in Latest news)
- Flagged revision is stable (
stablepages=only
) - Article published 7+ days ago
- We have some conversations about this spread around, so for anyone wanting to follow along:
- Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:15, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright The bot is currently set up in such a way that it will archive published articles whose last edit has been three weeks or older. Would that work on its own? Leaderboard (talk) 16:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- It will certainly cover many articles. However, our current archival process does not require three weeks of inactivity, and that metric can be skewed by vandalism—it wouldn’t have prevented the vandalism that led to this particular discussion.
- If it's too difficult to change the bot from the current configuration of 3+ weeks of no changes, then in the interest of getting something done, I say we proceed. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:29, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Leaderboard Is your goal with the 3+ weeks to be careful and mindful of the lack of consensus and the fact that it's a new process? —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Kind of yes - setting a balance while ensuring that there's enough articles in the main page as well. I just chose the easiest technical option at that time. Leaderboard (talk) 17:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- I think it'll do in a pinch. As long as we also add the articles to Category:Archived-bot for easy retrieval and later-review, we should be okay. I'd say we're well within the bounds of WN:IAR on this and we have a proposed alternative to the currently-dysfunctional process. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 20:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- good idea to have a tracking category thanks. can we have another cat for after human checked that archival went ok? maybe human can move from archived-bot cat to archived cat if there are no issues. Gryllida (talk) 08:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Human removal of the Category:Archived-bot should suffice. Adding a new category is extra work, an extra step in an already unpopular process, is something new to learn, etc. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 13:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks that works Gryllida (talk) 21:44, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Human removal of the Category:Archived-bot should suffice. Adding a new category is extra work, an extra step in an already unpopular process, is something new to learn, etc. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 13:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- good idea to have a tracking category thanks. can we have another cat for after human checked that archival went ok? maybe human can move from archived-bot cat to archived cat if there are no issues. Gryllida (talk) 08:29, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- I think it'll do in a pinch. As long as we also add the articles to Category:Archived-bot for easy retrieval and later-review, we should be okay. I'd say we're well within the bounds of WN:IAR on this and we have a proposed alternative to the currently-dysfunctional process. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 20:14, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Kind of yes - setting a balance while ensuring that there's enough articles in the main page as well. I just chose the easiest technical option at that time. Leaderboard (talk) 17:26, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- Leaderboard Is your goal with the 3+ weeks to be careful and mindful of the lack of consensus and the fact that it's a new process? —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:31, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright The bot is currently set up in such a way that it will archive published articles whose last edit has been three weeks or older. Would that work on its own? Leaderboard (talk) 16:22, 23 February 2025 (UTC)
Request to add articles to new category
[edit]I have made a number of requests to add specific articles to the newly created Category:US Department of Homeland Security. I've included a list below.
Done Kerik nominated as U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security
DoneInternally distributed DHS memo: al-Qaeda and Hezbollah may attack U.S. within three years
DoneBush nominates Chertoff for new Secretary of Homeland Security
- U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security visit Dartmouth student over library book
- Homeland Security helps secure open-source code
- KLM flight to Mexico sent back by U.S. Homeland Security, inquiry follows
- US Transportation Security Administration "made inaccurate statements" about passenger privacy, says Department of Homeland Security report
- United States Homeland Security network monitors suspicious activity
- US Homeland Security raises transit terror alert
Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:54, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Working on it. Please leave this list up until I finish.--Bddpaux (talk) 21:07, 30 January 2025 (UTC)
- Responding only as a reminder. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:58, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Bddpaux Gryllida (talk) 21:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
Template edit request
[edit]I have a new edit request at Template_talk:Date#Update_to_functionality. Specifics can be found there. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 18:19, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Didn't parse it on first try, was not sufficiently focused. I'll try again soon. Gryllida (talk) 01:21, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Responding only as a reminder... —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:56, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- I don't know what this does or why it is needed, sorry. :-( Gryllida (talk) 21:41, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Responding only as a reminder... —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:56, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
Role account to block
[edit]AgencyPartners (talk · contribs · page moves · block user · block log)
This account has made only two contributions so far and both were deleted as spam (warning placed[12]).
The account name implies it is a role account, in violation of WN:Username, which states: "If your username implies a role account, it is in breach of this policy."
Thank you in advance! —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 00:17, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- The user was globally locked. Gryllida (talk) 01:21, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Edit request: Sitenotice
[edit]I would like to update our sitenotice to return to displaying different messages each day. The following code will add eight messages to the list. I am asking for the current code to be replaced with the following:
{{#switch:{{sitenotice/select|8}} |0=<div class="center">Help revitalize Wikinews. Join the discussion at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Project_proposal_for_2025|Project proposal for 2025]].</div> |1=<div class="center">The top article for January 2025 has been identified! Read more about it [[Wikinews:2025 Boost publication rate/Monthly top article|here]].</div> |2=<div class="center">Help revitalize Wikinews. Comment and vote on the proposal to add [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Markup_for_developing_articles_and_the_review_process|markup for developing articles and the review process]].</div> |3=<div class="center">Want to know how Wikinews works?<br/> Walk into our '''{{plainlinks|{{fullurl:Wikinews:Newsroom|action=purge}}|Newsroom}}'''!</div> |4=<div class="center">Have you read about [[Wikinews:Article layout in a nutshell|'''how you write a ''Wikinews'' article''']]?</div> |5=<div class="center">There is a proposal to change how we archive published articles. Comment and vote [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Update_to_archival_process|here]].</div> |6=<div class="center">Should Wikinews start publishing audio news? Comment and vote [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Audio_news|here]].</div> |7=<div class="center">Have you read about the [[Wikinews:Pillars of writing|'''basic principles we follow in writing our articles''']]?</div> }}
Each number in the switch represents a message. There appears to be a sandbox on the template but it too is edit protected.
Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 19:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC); edited 01:10, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- Many of them link to proposals water cooler. How about we replace them with 'Join discussions at proposals water cooler to help Wikinews grow', reworded and wikilinked appropriately. Gryllida (talk) 03:04, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- We can have multiple messages, and specifying topics makes them more engaging. A generic message doesn’t even indicate new conversations are happening at the water cooler. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:20, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Responding only as a reminder. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 15:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
I have a few issues with the above. The "2025 Boost publication rate" is a personal project and there is no need to put it up as the end goal of the project. There is no need to "Should Wikinews start publishing audio news? Comment and vote", this is something that should just be done as soon as someone has an opportunity. I don't like the 'Help revitalize Wikinews' topic as it means the user should not read the other discussions at the water cooler and stay subscribed; it also creates a sense that the wiki is dying rather than encouraging users to contribute for the sake of engaging in news writing. I don't see a need to add any markup, there is too much markup work for newbies already. The proposal for archiving articles was already resolved as leaderbot already started doing the job.
How about we make a page like User:Gryllida/Contribute and suggest this version:
<div class="center"> {{#switch:{{sitenotice/select|10}} |0=Help revitalize Wikinews. Join the discussion at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Project_proposal_for_2025|Project proposal for 2025]] and/or [[User:Gryllida/Contribute|contribute today]] (no prior skills required!). |1=The top article for March 2025 has been identified! Read more about it [[Wikinews:2025 Boost publication rate/Monthly top article|here]] (XXX Fix link). |2=Want to know how Wikinews works?<br/> Walk into our '''{{plainlinks|{{fullurl:Wikinews:Newsroom|action=purge}}|Newsroom}}'''! |3=Have you read about [[Wikinews:Article layout in a nutshell|'''how you write a ''Wikinews'' article''']]? |4=Would you like to help with audio news? Get started [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Audio_news|here]]. |5=Have you read about the [[Wikinews:Pillars of writing|'''basic principles we follow in writing our articles''']]? |6=Found an interesting event today, but no time to write a full story? Share it on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] or [[WN:Requested articles|write a news tip]] now! |7=Fancy editing a draft of a news story? Check out our drafts in the [[Newsroom]]! |8=Are you an avid forum user? Visit [[Wikinews:Water cooler]], pick your favorite forum, and 'subscribe' today. |9=Fancy a chat? Join our [[WN:IRC|live chat]] and meet a citizen journalist or two. |10=Using social media? Follow [[Wikinews:Social_media|English Wikinews]] today. }} </div>
(It got scrambled in this text box, I will add an edit now.) Gryllida (talk) 21:17, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Gryllida, RockerballAustralia, George Ho, Michael.C.Wright, Bddpaux, JJLiu112 Thanks Gryllida (talk) 21:19, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- The proposal for archiving articles was already resolved as leaderbot already started doing the job. Leaderbot is not doing the job. There are currently 200 articles that are in cat:published and not in cat:archived. I believe Leaderboard is waiting to better-understand the need for a manual archival process in the first place. No archiving appears to be taking place manually or otherwise.
- I don't like the 'Help revitalize Wikinews' topic as it means the user should not read the other discussions at the water... That’s not what it says at all. What it does say is: "Help revitalize Wikinews. Join the discussion at Project proposal for 2025."
- [I]t also creates a sense that the wiki is dying... It is—and that’s evident from our declining publication rate, dwindling user activity, and reduced engagement from reviewers and admins alike. This has been a long-term trend, and we won’t reverse it by pretending otherwise or clinging to the status quo of "someone will get to it eventually." Given how few articles we publish each month, it’s hard to argue we’re functioning as a reliable news source.
- I don't see a need to add any markup, there is too much markup work for newbies already. What markup work already exists?
- The "2025 Boost publication rate" is a personal project... It’s clear that both supporters and those who contributed ideas see things differently. I’m stepping back—I’ve said my piece about the problem and offered help, but I’m no longer trying to persuade anyone that big changes are needed around here.
- —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:26, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Michael is correct. I am waiting for consensus on what exactly the bot is supposed to do, as some are saying that it can be fully automated (which is my preference as well), while some want a manual review. Leaderboard (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Where is this discussed. I think it's fine to fully automate as long as there is a tracking category to clear manually after archival. This would solve issues with spam/vandalism to articles which were already published. Gryllida (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael.C.Wright Leaderboard (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Michael is correct. I am waiting for consensus on what exactly the bot is supposed to do, as some are saying that it can be fully automated (which is my preference as well), while some want a manual review. Leaderboard (talk) 17:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:26, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
1. Re-added as item 11. --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
2. Don't want to discuss it, as I left this bit in, I didn't leave it out (despite my dislike of it). --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
3. Same as 2. --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
4. Populating sources templates. --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
5. I'm happy to put it on-wiki somewhere but not in site notice, not in this revision. If we approve the initial revision, then we can discuss whether or not and how to add it. Ideally with minimum maintaining so without link to January. --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
6. Do I put "{{sitenotice/select|11}}" or "{{sitenotice/select|12}}" as the count starts with 0? --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
Version 3
[edit]Please see below.
<div class="center"> {{#switch:{{sitenotice/select|11}} |0=Help revitalize Wikinews. Join the discussion at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Project_proposal_for_2025|Project proposal for 2025]] and/or [[User:Gryllida/Contribute|contribute today]] (no prior skills required!). |1=The top article for March 2025 has been identified! Read more about it [[Wikinews:2025 Boost publication rate/Monthly top article|here]] (XXX Fix link). |2=Want to know how Wikinews works?<br/> Walk into our '''{{plainlinks|{{fullurl:Wikinews:Newsroom|action=purge}}|Newsroom}}'''! |3=Have you read about [[Wikinews:Article layout in a nutshell|'''how you write a ''Wikinews'' article''']]? |4=Would you like to help with audio news? Get started [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Audio_news|here]]. |5=Have you read about the [[Wikinews:Pillars of writing|'''basic principles we follow in writing our articles''']]? |6=Found an interesting event today, but no time to write a full story? Share it on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] or [[WN:Requested articles|write a news tip]] now! |7=Fancy editing a draft of a news story? Check out our drafts in the [[Newsroom]]! |8=Are you an avid forum user? Visit [[Wikinews:Water cooler]], pick your favorite forum, and 'subscribe' today. |9=Fancy a chat? Join our [[WN:IRC|live chat]] and meet a citizen journalist or two. |10=Using social media? Follow [[Wikinews:Social_media|English Wikinews]] today. |11=There is a proposal to change how we archive published articles. Comment and vote [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Update_to_archival_process|here]]. }} </div>
Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 23:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Added this version to the site notice. Please let me know if any issues or edits are required. Thanks. CC @Michael.C.Wright @Leaderboard -- Gryllida (talk) 07:13, 12 April 2025 (UTC)
Edit request for Main page
[edit]I have made an edit request at Template talk:Main headlines#Edit request count=10. Details can be found there. Thank you in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:29, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
Global sysop or local admin edit request: Template:Main headlines and Wikinews:Social media
[edit]We have at least two pages that mention wikinews as our Twitter account, but that account now belongs to someone else. I believe our actual X account is
enwikinews (https://x.com/enwikinews), to which we currently don't have access (0 followers and 0 posts).
Can a global sysop (Ternera?) or local admin remove the X link and any mention of our X account name from both Template:Main headlines and Wikinews:Social media until we sort it all out? Whoever controls wikinews can post whatever they want to X and we link to it as if it is us. This could present a liability issue.
I will look for more mentions/links to this account. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:25, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- I would be happy to update the social media links, but I'm only supposed to use sysop tools for obvious spam or vandalism as a GS. Ternera (talk) 14:46, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry. I forgot about those restrictions. This probably also doesn't fall under "other uncontroversial maintenance" either. Thanks for the quick response though! I've pinged a couple of admin who are signed in to IRC as well. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Michael.C.Wright
- I've fixed something like that recently, if something wasn't fixed please let me know.
- Didn't get any IRC pings.
- I created template {{ping-assistance-required-sysop}} which can be placed anywhere urgent; alas, I don't get new Echo notifications when a 'Protected Page Edit Is Needed' template (whatever it is named) is placed on article talk, and for some fancy reason I don't always get notifications for this page either despite being subscribed to it.
- Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 21:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Having a notification "3 new topics at AAA" is a bit stupid. In no circumstances I'm going to handle all 3 new topics at once. It would be nice to have that grouping option switched off. Added phab:T390635 and phab:T390637. Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- I am able to click on summary notices such as "3 replies to topic X" and it will take me to topix X and highlight all three new messages. I can also click an arrow to expand the summary notice and see three individual notices of each reply, allowing me to click on each one individually, to go to the topic and see the individual reply highlighted.
- I'm not sure if that is a feature I have enabled in preferences, but I don't believe so. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 00:06, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wow. (Thanks for pointing it out.) Genuinely uncomfortable and not accessible to anyone who has even slightest visual impairment. At least the Special:Notifications page has it not tiny. Gryllida (talk) 12:39, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
- Having a notification "3 new topics at AAA" is a bit stupid. In no circumstances I'm going to handle all 3 new topics at once. It would be nice to have that grouping option switched off. Added phab:T390635 and phab:T390637. Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 22:47, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry. I forgot about those restrictions. This probably also doesn't fall under "other uncontroversial maintenance" either. Thanks for the quick response though! I've pinged a couple of admin who are signed in to IRC as well. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 14:55, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Edit request
[edit]I have made a new edit request at talk:U.S._Congress_confirms_electoral_college_vote_for_Trump_presidency#Edit
This request is in regards to a broken correction template in a published article and therefore somewhat of a priority. Further details at the talk page. —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 21:01, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- typo fixed Gryllida (talk) 21:21, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
User:Please Make Me Cum
[edit]User:Please Make Me Cum, please block, thank you. BigKrow (talk) 21:23, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- 2600:100e:a120:2b52:ac0c:967d:5c88:803d BigKrow (talk) 21:25, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- User:Plz Make Me Cum BigKrow (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- All 3 were globally blocked as I can see. Please consider using the {{user}} template on this page, as it helps to avoid manual copy paste of the username. Thank you for the report! Gryllida (talk) 10:21, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
- User:Plz Make Me Cum BigKrow (talk) 21:28, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
- @BigKrow These kind of users are the ones that should be reported to metawiki:SRG instead, so they can be globally locked. Leaderboard (talk) 08:51, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
Request to update Sitenotice
[edit]There are three parts to this request.
1. Remove the following: (XXX Fix link)
. It’s unclear why it was added, but it should not appear in the production version.
2. Update message 1 to congratulate contributing editors of monthly top article, by name.
3. Remove the recommendation to follow us on social media. We are not currently active on any platforms and may not have access to the accounts being promoted.
I have implemented these changes below.
Note: The select
count should be 11 because the first message starts at 0.
<div class="center"> {{#switch:{{sitenotice/select|11}} |0=Help revitalize Wikinews. Join the discussion at [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Project_proposal_for_2025|Project proposal for 2025]] and/or [[User:Gryllida/Contribute|contribute today]] (no prior skills required!). |1=Congrats to [[User:Bddpaux|]] and [[User:BigKrow|]] for writing the top article of March! Read more [[Wikinews:2025 Boost publication rate/Monthly top article|here]] |2=Want to know how Wikinews works?<br/> Walk into our '''{{plainlinks|{{fullurl:Wikinews:Newsroom|action=purge}}|Newsroom}}'''! |3=Have you read about [[Wikinews:Article layout in a nutshell|'''how you write a ''Wikinews'' article''']]? |4=Would you like to help with audio news? Get started [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Audio_news|here]]. |5=Have you read about the [[Wikinews:Pillars of writing|'''basic principles we follow in writing our articles''']]? |6=Found an interesting event today, but no time to write a full story? Share it on [[WN:IRC|live chat]] or [[WN:Requested articles|write a news tip]] now! |7=Fancy editing a draft of a news story? Check out our drafts in the [[Newsroom]]! |8=Are you an avid forum user? Visit [[Wikinews:Water cooler]], pick your favorite forum, and 'subscribe' today. |9=Fancy a chat? Join our [[WN:IRC|live chat]] and meet a citizen journalist or two. |10=There is a proposal to change how we archive published articles. Comment and vote [[Wikinews:Water_cooler/proposals#Update_to_archival_process|here]]. }} </div>
Let me know if you have any questions and thank you in advance for helping! —Michael.C.Wright (Talk/Reviewer) 16:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
Done Leaderboard (talk) 17:32, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- About not being active on social media, who has access to the 'enwikinews' account on twitter?
- I can add account for bluesky but I keep meaning to check that feeding news articles into an account there is allowed, and keep delaying this task; if someone can confirm that this is allowed then I can write an utility for this. Gryllida (talk) 20:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
BigKrow2 and Gryllida2
[edit]They are imposter accounts. Thank you. @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Gryllida2 (talk · contribs)
- BigKrow2 (talk · contribs) Gryllida (talk) 21:08, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes those two. @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- i used the "user" template to get easier link to their talk and contribs; blocked now, thanks for the report. (GryllidaTester are indeed my socks but this one is not) Gryllida (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah I knew tester was you. BigKrow (talk) 21:19, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- i used the "user" template to get easier link to their talk and contribs; blocked now, thanks for the report. (GryllidaTester are indeed my socks but this one is not) Gryllida (talk) 21:17, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yes those two. @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
97.211.131.207
[edit]Pure vandalism IP. Thanks. BigKrow (talk) 18:52, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
97.210.67.6
[edit]pure vandalism IP, thanks. BigKrow (talk) 18:53, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
Sorry for recent changes frequently but this person is on my nerves
[edit]BigKrow (talk) 19:30, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- @BigKrow2 BigKrow (talk) 19:31, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
Done blocked thanks Gryllida (talk) 21:18, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
Lofi Gurl
[edit]Please background check this account, thank you.
@Lofi Gurl BigKrow (talk) 21:09, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @BigKrow
- our only checkuser @Acagastya is away for months now, would you like to nominate another? and/or find out how to request from global checkusers.
- and what policy/motivation as the user appears constructive? is there a concern about their contributions?
- thanks Gryllida (talk) 21:21, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'll pass for now but I always keep my eyes open. Thanks @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- BigKrow has been posting spammy crap on my talk page last few days. Now they are accusing me of being User:Me Da Wikipedian, as well as User:BigKrow2. I asked BigKrow several times to provide evidence, or a basis, and they gave me nothing. BigKrow asked me to "prove my innocence," but I don't know how to do that. The allegations are severe -- I'm concerned. Lofi Gurl (talk) 21:28, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- me too, something needs to be done. @Gryllida, @Lofi Gurl BigKrow (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nothing will be done unless you have like, actual evidence I'm this user. You're wasting everyone's time otherwise. Lofi Gurl (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- there is 'ignore groundless accusations' guideline at this site, so if accusations are pointless, they may be left without reply or removed from a talk page as a first response; if they repeat and continue to be a time waste then further action may be taken. this may help whoever is being accused. as to whoever is accusing: please don't add groundless accusations. hope it helps. Gryllida (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Instead of just asking for the troll/impersonator accounts to be checked, this user instantly escalated the situation and caused disruption by trying to tie these accounts to me, and then backed out when asked to present evidence or a basis. This user has been severely irritating me lately and has been making contributing here slightly toxic. But the baseless socking allegations crossed a line in my book. Lofi Gurl (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Lofi Gurl please post here if the baseless socking allegations resume. i think it is pretty clear from the discussion above that these baseless socking allegations need to stop, in a hope that this request will succeed and the discussions will go back to normal. does/did this help? Gryllida (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- thank you so much. yes -- this was very helpful. Lofi Gurl (talk) 23:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Lofi Gurl please post here if the baseless socking allegations resume. i think it is pretty clear from the discussion above that these baseless socking allegations need to stop, in a hope that this request will succeed and the discussions will go back to normal. does/did this help? Gryllida (talk) 23:12, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Instead of just asking for the troll/impersonator accounts to be checked, this user instantly escalated the situation and caused disruption by trying to tie these accounts to me, and then backed out when asked to present evidence or a basis. This user has been severely irritating me lately and has been making contributing here slightly toxic. But the baseless socking allegations crossed a line in my book. Lofi Gurl (talk) 21:59, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- there is 'ignore groundless accusations' guideline at this site, so if accusations are pointless, they may be left without reply or removed from a talk page as a first response; if they repeat and continue to be a time waste then further action may be taken. this may help whoever is being accused. as to whoever is accusing: please don't add groundless accusations. hope it helps. Gryllida (talk) 21:39, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nothing will be done unless you have like, actual evidence I'm this user. You're wasting everyone's time otherwise. Lofi Gurl (talk) 21:36, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- me too, something needs to be done. @Gryllida, @Lofi Gurl BigKrow (talk) 21:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Traveling at the moment, I will look this soon. 171.76.214.223 (talk) 07:56, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have done a CU for User:BigKrow2 and all the linked accounts from the two IPs are either locally, or globally blocked indefinitely. CC@Gryllida, BigKrow: •–• 08:37, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Acagastya Thanks. Looks like nothing more to do about that one.
- Do you think anything should be done about the so-called 'groundless accusations' between 'Lofi Gurl' and 'BigKrow' involving implied sockpuppeting from a user who was blocked last year?
- Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 10:06, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have done a CU for User:BigKrow2 and all the linked accounts from the two IPs are either locally, or globally blocked indefinitely. CC@Gryllida, BigKrow: •–• 08:37, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
IP:2600:387:15:1d1b::2
[edit]disruptive edits, thanks, @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 23:23, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi,
- Thank you for the report.
- Please use the {{user}} template when reporting a disruptive user. It helps me click to their contributions straight away.
- I've blocked this IP now.
- Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 00:50, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Shut up Offof)l (talk) 01:28, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
Offof)l talk contribs
[edit]put my name in their bio. @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 23:45, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. BigKrow (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- User:Offof)l BigKrow (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- vandalism on user:galahad. BigKrow (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Offof)l (talk · contribs) I issued this user a warning, going to delete their test pages shortly
- galahad (talk · contribs) User page was fixed and protected by global sysops
- Thanks Gryllida (talk) 00:20, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. BigKrow (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, @Offof)l, editing pages in another user's namespace like
User:Gryllida
orUser:Gryllida/*
is not allowed. Only in yours. Gryllida (talk) 00:26, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- FYI, @Offof)l, editing pages in another user's namespace like
- Thank you. BigKrow (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- vandalism on user:galahad. BigKrow (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- User:Offof)l BigKrow (talk) 23:59, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
Or
[edit]User:karate because don’t exist Offof)l (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
2600:387:C:7215:0:0:0:1
[edit]Disruptive edits BigKrow (talk) 20:39, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @BigKrow
- Thank you for the report.
- When reporting a user that needs to be blocked, please use the {{user}} template. This makes it easier for the administrator to view the user's contributions without needing to copy/paste the name of the user into a search box. Example: 2600:387:C:7215:0:0:0:1 (talk · contribs)
- I've warned the user and will keep monitoring their edits.
- Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2025 (UTC)