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Tech update[edit]

Some news from the Foundation:

  • On Monday, bureaucrats on English Wikinews will lose the ability to rename users, as the next step on the long, long road (since 2006!) to migrate to SUL accounts only. Renames will now only be done by "global renamers" on meta: you can request the ght at the usual location on meta: m:SRGP. There's more information in the section above.
  • On Tuesday, Wikinews will get bumped to a new MediaWiki version (1.24wmf21)
  • On Thursday there will be a new beta feature, HHVM, that you can opt in through your preferences: it is a higher performance version of the software MediaWiki runs on. There shouldn't be any problems with HHVM, but if there are it will automatically fall back to "normal" PHP. As such, opting in will at best "increase performance… by a lot", and worst-case should just be the same as your normal editing experience.

Microchip08 (talk) 09:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Busy week! I'll opt in for HHVM as soon as I remember. How long are they estimating until HHVM is on by default? — Gopher65talk 20:17, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll expect everything to break on Tuesday, then.
And I'll opt in for HHVM at earliest, so I can see which essential tooks it breaks and how to work around those problems. --Pi zero (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
They're not sure. You can take a look at the roadmap at mw:HHVM, but it's hard to estimate a completion time because they're not sure how many bugs they'll uncover at each stage. Microchip08 (talk) 09:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
HHVM is now available: you can opt in at the usual place. Microchip08 (talk) 09:34, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
This week's update: Tuesday we'll get bumped to mw:1.25wmf1 (woo! new version!). On Monday, HHVM will be serving 1% of traffic. Microchip08 (talk) 22:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech update 2[edit]

Here's this week's update:

  • phab: will now link to Phabricator, the tool we're migrating to from Bugzilla and friends. fab: was already taken :-).
  • Special:MediaStatistics is now a thing.
  • MediaViewer's been improved! (honest)
  • New MediaWiki update (1.25wmf2) will hit English Wikinews on 7 October 2014.
  • Lua (i.e. the Module: namespace) pages won't be able to be saved if they contain errors, which should help prevent things breaking.
  • TemplateData's GUI tool is being rolled out to twenty more wikis (not us). Might be worth taking a look at; maybe we should opt in if it's useful.

Microchip08 (talk) 13:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

HHVM now serves 5% of logged-out users. 1.25wmf3 will be deployed on English Wikinews on 14 October. There's a IRC office hour about Visual Editor on 18 October at 1800UTC in #wikimedia-office, which you should join if you have any questions about it. There's also one about using structured data (similar to Wikidata) for file pages on Commons: that one's at 1800UTC on the 16th. Microchip08 (talk) 10:55, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


Has anyone else noted this page stops at 2009? --Bddpaux (talk) 19:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

SVTCobra is gone. (let rest of 2009 display (we will forget to update this each month)) - Amgine | t 23:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


I'm about to rename this template, to clear the way so I can use the simpler name for the weather infobox (as I've done for a number of other infoboxen, such as {{culture and entertainment}}, on the theory that an infobox should always get the simple unadorned name). Does anyone anticipate any problems arising from this? --Pi zero (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

The deed has been do'd. Infobox at {{weather}}, map at {{Weather World}}. --Pi zero (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Just a comment that {{weather}}, as a name, more strongly suggests current wither information, while an infobox might better be titled weatherbox or perhaps infoweather or similar. Just in case some poor soul were to make the ultimate sacrifice and set up a weather-updating bot at some point. (Actually, thinking eversoslightly on this, the weather template would be a good name for a somewhat complex template which self-modifies content and might possibly be entirely coded in Lua without recourse to bottage...) - Amgine | t 04:10, 24 October 2014 (UTC) 04:07, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. It's imaginable that someone might want to set up a bot or something. My thinking, though, is that by far the more common operation is adding an infobox to an article, and having trouble figuring out what the infobox is called is a very common problem. People would try to put up a {{culture and entertainment}} box and get this, {{science and technology}} and get this, {{sports}} and this, {{United States}} and this, {{weather}} and this. These problems were chronic; even I kept getting caught out by them. The problem of a weather bot comes up, what, once a decade? --Pi zero (talk) 11:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like naming conventions issues vs. people actually doing. <considers> Perhaps dynamic content templates and infoboxen should indicate this in their titles, e.g. {{Champion's League current}} (dynamic Champion's League standings) and {{Champion's League infobox}}, with {{Champion's League}} being redirected to a disambig template saying something like "This is not the template you were looking for. Standard naming convention is Template:[Subject] infobox, Template:[Subject] menu, and Template:[Subject] current." But meh, it is all hidden by a SEP field for me... - Amgine | t 17:12, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Meta RfCs on two new global groups[edit]

Hello all,

There are currently requests for comment open on meta to create two new global groups. The first is a group for members of the OTRS permissions queue, which would not contain any additional user rights. That proposal can be found at m:Requests for comment/Creation of a global OTRS-permissions user group. The second is a group for Wikimedia Commons admins and OTRS agents to view deleted file pages through the 'viewdeletedfile' right on all wikis except those who opt-out. The second proposal can be found at m:Requests for comment/Global file deletion review.

We would like to hear what you think on both proposals. Both are in English; if you wanted to translate them into your native language that would also be appreciated.

It is possible for individual projects to opt-out, so that users in those groups do not have any additional rights on those projects. To do this please start a local discussion, and if there is consensus you can request to opt-out of either or both at m:Stewards' noticeboard.

Thanks and regards, Ajraddatz (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


I plan to rename the existing {{ping}} to {{technorati}}, shift over the individual links (tedious but not really huge), and repurpose the name {{ping}} to do what everyone coming here from any of the other sisters expects it to do. Any lurking reason I should amend that plan? --Pi zero (talk) 13:02, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. The ping url is borken, and I don't believe the functionality still exists. You should subst: the template into archived articles, then dispense with it. - Amgine | t 16:13, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, good. I'd figured it was probably an ex-template. subst is simple. --Pi zero (talk)
Well... I started to subst a few of them, but got to thinking, and instead of doing any more (for now) I modified the template so if it gets no parameters it gives the old technorati behavior, and if it gets one parameter it gives (a simplified version of) the new notification-inducing behavior. --Pi zero (talk) 23:13, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

'Articles created' tool?[edit]

Why is this acting up? I hate it when we have an excellent tool, and then it just starts screwing up. Any meta-junkies out there who can look at it? --Bddpaux (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Which tool are we talking about? --Pi zero (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
I've noticed in the past day or two that the SUL tools, provided at the bottom of Special:Contributions all pretty much all projects, including both en.wn and en.wp, appears to be no more. e.g., [1]. --Pi zero (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor coming to this wiki as a Beta Feature[edit]

VE as BetaFeature.png

Hello. Please excuse the English. I would be grateful if you translated this message!

VisualEditor, a rich-text editor for MediaWiki, will soon be available on this wiki as a Beta Feature. The estimated date of activation is Wednesday, 26 November.

To access it, you will need to visit the Beta features page after the deployment and tick the box next to "VisualEditor". (If you have enabled the "Automatically enable all new beta features" option, VisualEditor will be automatically available for you.) There will also be a "VisualEditor language tool" that you can enable if you need it.

Then, you just have to click on "Edit" to start VisualEditor, or on "Edit source" to edit using wikitext markup. You can even begin to edit pages with VisualEditor and then switch to the wikitext editor simply by clicking on its tab at any point, and you can keep your changes when doing so.

A guide was just published at so that you can learn how to support your community with this transition: please read and translate it if you can! You will find all the information about the next steps there. Please report any suggestions or issues at the main feedback page. You will also receive the next issues of the multilingual monthly newsletter here on this page: if you want it delivered elsewhere, for example at your personal talk page, please add the relevant page here.

Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 18:12, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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