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Histogram for The situation of Bangladesh by COVID-19‎[edit]


Wikinews:Sandbox "Syntax error"

Could someone possibly please make this work?

Tom Morris, Bawolff?

Thanks!!! --Gryllida (talk) 10:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Done --DannyS712 (talk) 13:21, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Are we talking about the graph module thing? Licensing concerns. :S --Pi zero (talk) 13:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, we are; the original module is at w:de:Modul:Graph and is part of the system of cross-wiki global templates and modules, and is allowed to be used here --DannyS712 (talk) 13:48, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
See - "For BY-SA 2.0, all future versions of BY-SA and all ports of BY-SA 2.0 or later are automatically compatible" - the CC-BY-SA 3.0 module can be copied here --DannyS712 (talk) 13:52, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
@Pi zero: please restore the module --DannyS712 (talk) 13:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

See right below this page. Wikinews uses CC BY 2.5
•–• 13:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

My apologies, wrong paste: "You may distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform a Derivative Work only under the terms of this License, a later version of this License with the same License Elements as this License, or a Creative Commons iCommons license that contains the same License Elements as this License (e.g. Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 Japan)." - CC 3.0 is compatible with 2.5 --DannyS712 (talk) 14:04, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
DannyS712: CC BY 2.5 is not CC BY-SA*.
•–• 17:36, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Well crud. The entire system of global templates and modules can't be used on wikinews I guess --DannyS712 (talk) 18:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

If we are not going to change the data, we can just use the canvas generated here, which can be tweaked if required.
•–• 18:33, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@DannyS712: As you say: "The entire system of global templates and modules can't be used on wikinews I guess". Most Wikinewsies have also agreed with your overall commentary: "Well crud." (Though I've been hoping we can seize the opportunity to build a much, much simpler tooling infrastructure with very few parts to it, which I've tried to do — developing it all here, so that the licenses allow it to be freely exported to other wikimedia sisters.) --Pi zero (talk) 19:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
See w:de:Wikipedia Diskussion:Lua/Modul/Graph#Relicense - it may be possible to use the template here eventually --DannyS712 (talk) 19:29, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Yair rand agreed to relicence. Are there any other contributors? Gryllida (talk) 21:44, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
I saw - I pinged 7 contributors that have contributed to the current version, so yes --DannyS712 (talk) 21:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
All contributors have agreed to relicense, and I recopied the module. I'm not sure what the code for the template should be though... please restore. --DannyS712 (talk) 17:48, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Relicensing Wikinews[edit]

Should we have a community discussion on relicensing this project per the above? Seems like the logistical problems of CC BY SA content from other WMF projects not being compatible with us is more pressing than any possible problems with CC BY content being accepted by third parties (which I think never happens). —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:45, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not a big problem. The additional restrictions on Wikipedian text are inappropriate for a news project. And, btw, it's also highly desirable that Wikipedian text be lisence-incompatible, since it is written with very different goals and standards. --Pi zero (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
There's no reason why it's desirable that any text can't be integrated into this project; that makes no sense. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:08, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Content of an Encyclopædia is in a tone that hardly suits the style required for the news, to begin with.
•–• 00:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Just a side note that this question is not urgent; any review or development work that has been waiting for weeks, months, and years can be given attention, for at least an hour per day, before answering this. (I understood we have a number of contributors who seem to think that all discussions at water cooler have "high" priority; this is really not always the case.) Gryllida (talk) 00:13, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Besides style, Wikipedia articles also do not share our approach to neutrality or our approach to vetting/sourcing, which have profound consequences. My overall assessment is that any text generated in the context of Wikipedia should be written over from scratch for a news setting. --Pi zero (talk) 00:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Best way to have Cite-Q on wikinews?[edit]

I would like to be able to use w:Template:Cite_Q on here, not sure what the best approach is. Should I just copy the template? Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 00:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Iwan.Aucamp: If I'm understanding correctly what that template is, I don't think it would be useful on en.wp. We use {{source}} to cite sources, almost exclusively. --Pi zero (talk) 00:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)