Talk:Thousands of pagers explode in Lebanon killing twelve people and injuring thousands

Please review

I can't review as I wrote part of the content.

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Please review the article, it has around one or two days before it goes stale.

Thank you so much in advance for your help! Gryllida (talk) 10:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Gryllida: I'll try and give it a look later today since it appears relatively short -- however there appears to be no mention of culpability from Israel, which from what I'd gathered had seemed pretty uncontroversial (this article I read noted that Israel didn't take responsibility but basically took their culpability as fact). I might be wrong, and I haven't closely examined the article's sources yet, but that feels worth a mention. LivelyRatification (talk) 00:38, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @LivelyRatification :-)

I have added "Israel did not take responsibility for the attack." into the article. There were speculations that Israel may have infiltrated supply chain, which I haven't inserted into the article as they were not verified. If I have a chance I will try to add this information with attribution - though a bit busy day today.

Please let me know what else might be needed.

Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 01:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Pre-review

Status:    Not ready

Version evaluated: 4798831

• Copyright: Not evaluated
• Newsworthiness: Passed
• Verifiability: Not evaluated
• NPOV: Not ready: See notes below on attribution of statements and possible bias of omission.
• Style: Passed

Notes for author(s):

This is a developing event with much speculation and limited evidence, which our article should acknowledge.

The Reuters article cites two possible causes: planted explosives or battery issues, but we only mention explosives. CNN uses the broader term 'hardware tampering.' We should either include both possibilities or remain non-specific.

Additionally, while all sources mention Israel as a suspected party, our article omits this, which could suggest bias.

Finally, when stating the pagers "were allegedly modified to conceal explosives," we should specify who made this allegation.

Notes for reviewer:

I'm intentionally using the pre-review as a new reviewer. In this way, another reviewer is free to perform a formal review.

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This is a pre-review only and is not part of the official review process. A pre-review is meant to help the author or authors improve the article and increase the likelihood of it passing a formal review. This pre-review was not done by a reviewer and represents a recommendation that can be heeded or ignored.

—Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 15:50, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Nearing staleness

@Gryllida, have you had a chance to review the concerns above or are you able to otherwise address them? —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 15:29, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Michael.C.Wright 👋🏻

Done Added cnn attribution for hardware tampering. (just now)

Done Added reuters attribution for two specific versions, planted explosives and batteries. (just now)

Done Added note that Israel did not claim responsibility for the attack. (earlier)

Is there something else that needs to be done? 🤔 Gryllida (talk) 19:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Added a lot of additional details and sources. If something is not verifiable, in interest of publishing you are welcome to remove it please. Gryllida (talk) 20:17, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Review of revision 4799129 [Passed]

Revision 4799129 of this article has been reviewed by Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 23:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: As requested in the talk page, in the interest of getting it published, I tightened up the statement regarding Predicta labs and Le Beck to just mention hardware tampering and not the batteries, which were mentioned by Cappos of NYU. If desired, that statement could be added and properly attributed within the next 24 hours and sighted, per Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles. My other edits were largely grammar, with the understanding that English is not the authors first language. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Revision 4799129 of this article has been reviewed by Michael.C.Wright (talk · contribs) and has passed its review at 23:24, 24 September 2024 (UTC). Copyright: Passed Newsworthiness: Passed Verifiability: Passed NPOV: Passed Style: Passed Comments by reviewer: As requested in the talk page, in the interest of getting it published, I tightened up the statement regarding Predicta labs and Le Beck to just mention hardware tampering and not the batteries, which were mentioned by Cappos of NYU. If desired, that statement could be added and properly attributed within the next 24 hours and sighted, per Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles. My other edits were largely grammar, with the understanding that English is not the authors first language. The reviewed revision should automatically have been edited by removing {{Review}} and adding {{Publish}} at the bottom, and the edit sighted; if this did not happen, it may be done manually by a reviewer.

Sighted changes within 24-hour window

I reviewed and sighted changes made within the 24-hour window since publishing. I have to say, that is possibly more difficult than reviewing the original article. There are still a couple hours for another reviewer to verify my actions. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 21:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for checking and revising! Gryllida (talk) 22:53, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Death toll (outdated)

After Tuesday 24 September, the number of deaths as a result of the attacks with the pagers has risen to at least 37 ([1]). So I think it's not useful to keep the current version of the article on the main page of Wikinews - actually it's only misleading this way, as outdated (=incorrect) information is now given. Another options to update the article, especially the death toll. De Wikischim (talk) 10:40, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Gryllida, Michael.C.Wright, De Wikischim: The coverage of casualty figures here is highly problematic. We have a longstanding practice of not putting these numbers in exact form in headlines (to try to avoid necessitating post-publish moves in the event of updates within the 24-hour deadline). There are discrepancies between sources, some of which may be due to more casualties being recorded as time progressed, but that doesn't make this any less a problem. If you need to attribute, as you would in this case due to the discrepancies, do so, and if you don't need to, use "at least" or a similar phrase to account for post-publish changes in the figures. I'll add a {{correction}} (leaving it unsighted for a second opinion like I usually do) — which also needs to acknowledge that the article reports the "when" as "Tuesday" when in fact this article was published a week after the focal event. Heavy Water (talk) 03:25, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Heavy Water, I've approved the edit with {{correction}} Thanks for writing it. Gryllida (talk) 03:38, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi

• This could be solved by stating death toll 'as of a particular moment' (to De Wikischim)
• Ok, not put in headlines - will consider for future (to Heavy Water)
  • I was writing the article, renamed it from 'injuring N' to 'killing N and injuring M', and could have realized that this information will change quickly.
• The date note is peculiar, and is a bit of a newer thing as the freshness threshold was extended to a week.
• I'll await the correction in case I might be able to review the edit. Thanks!

Regards, Gryllida (talk) 04:01, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Supposed change of headline

• Thousands of pagers explode in Lebanon

I'm having difficulty seeing how this could work, it seems incomplete as it does not specify the impact and this is not even clear that they were being used and not in storage.

• Thousands of pagers explode in a coordinated attack in Lebanon

Possibly this? Gryllida (talk) 05:30, 30 September 2024 (UTC)