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Tempodivalse [talk] 14:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


Who are you Gyllida? I am having trouble getting the CRU hack story through too. I'm dismayed. I think Brian thinks there's a conspiracy of bias and POV. I'm just interested to see where the Wikinews community takes the story. It doesn't help that your profile is empty.. Just wanted to say I support the merge between our articles. Leighblackall (talk) 00:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)


I need help with my article "British Climatic Research Unit's emails hacked". It requires a pre-publish review. Are you an uninvolved editor? If yes, please help. Gryllida (talk) 05:36, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

The article has been published. Thank you for your collaboration! Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 00:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Orchid image


  • Sorry about the Orchid image, I have to assume its from a "competing news agency" and while Fair Use would be fine on Wikipedia it isn't here because of that competing issue. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

It is a photo taken by botanist Lou Jost. It is not a competing news agency. Unfortunately, I could not find it at his website, and could not indicate his website as a source. What do you think about it? (I've removed the howdy template, and changed the subject of the discussion, as I have already been welcomed, see the archive.) --Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 13:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

  • If we could be sure the botanist had a copy up somewhere independent of news sites we'd be fine to claim Fair Use. Otherwise you really have no way to be sure Lou hasn't been forced into an exclusive and restrictive licensing agreement.
  • {{Howdy}} is, I hope, useful even if you've had the old welcome. The fourth tab on it has a box to start a new article and I put the template on my own talk page so I know I can find it there. I would, as far as that goes, welcome any feedback on the template content, things it links to, and (guessing) in your case the guide for Wikipedians.

The template was a good start for me: when I saw it, I read all the pages it links to. However, I just remembered them (they're quite useful, especially the Style guide), and I create new pages by entering their title at Wikinews main page, where I check whether the news I'm going to write about has already been published. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 02:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Oh, coming back to the image, if you can find an address nothing wrong with asking Lou about the licensing of the image. If you do get an email and want it sent from a "more serious" email address, contact me and I'll send a request on your behalf. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:44, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Please do so, I'm in GMT+9, if you do place the image back while I'm sleeping, I'll have a good morning from you. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 13:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I've emailed Lou, let's hope we get a fast response. Asked if it's somewhere not a news site, or he'd consider a free version for Wikinews & Wikipedia. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:58, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Might not be early morning, but Lu just emailed me THREE pics; am going to try putting on Commons and getting him to send appropriate to permissions queue in OTRS. Howzat? --Brian McNeil / talk 03:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Let me see these images when you publish them, good afternoon! And do not let anybody publish the article, please! Why do they not read the article history?! You wrote there - not publish, waiting for image, and now somebody published it.. I tried to undo, but it says my UNDOs are out of stable version, maybe you have more user privileges... Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 04:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

And should the date in the article change to December 4th? The discovery actually occurred on November 30th, what is the sense, maybe you can explain me, please, I just do not see that, do not understand that, I'm disappointed in the Wikinews community a little, but I still hope you welcome my questions. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 04:14, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

And I think our article will be deleted as a Stale article, while we are getting the image, as the event happened 3 days ago, but I'll just see (you know, my first article was deleted for such a reason, this is why I'm so worried), so please go on, your help is very much appreciated, welcomed, and calms me a lot. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 04:34, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Can I help? The problem is that once an article is published, it goes live on Google News, so it is a little late to undo. The problem is that all Wikinews articles are time sensitive; Wikinews is not like Wikipedia, which is a work in progress. I'm sorry that you have had a few difficulties so far with Wikinews, but journalism is a very different beast to encyclopedia work. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 06:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I think a new policy should be introduced at Wikinews: when an article is about to be published, its creator should be asked for consent (given 12 hours to explain why he or she does not want/wants to publish it). Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 07:42, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • The problem is that you tagged the article for a review by an independent editor, so that's what happened. If you don't want an article to be published, don't put it up for {{review}}. Keep it as {{developing}}. If you ask for a review, that's what you are going to get. Herein lies the source of confusion. I'll let Brian comment on the next point. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 08:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, Brian McNeil, it was your mistake: when you wrote about the refuse to publish in edit summary, you should have removed the "review" template. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 07:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

All right. Now, let's take off. "Any article which is published and dated no less than seven days from the current date should be archived." (Archive conventions). We must finalise the picture before this article is archived. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 07:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I am sorry about the mixup. Picture now on the article, and Lou emailed back asking to confirm to he's happy with CC-BY-3.0. It was too late for me to do this last night when I spotted the email. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:38, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
  • If you check my Commons uploads you'll see all three pics (including a TiFF one (?)). Might be an idea to add something about Lou's website as well as - I would guess - putting these on Wikipedia and emailing Lou (loujost at yahoo dot com) about that. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:43, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Done Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 10:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Orchid followup - Interview Lou?

  • As you'll see from the above timestamps, it was very late when I got the images. If you want to do a followup, Wikinews allows original reporting and {{interview}}s. I suspect Lou would be quite happy to answer a few questions if you send him a polite email, you can ask why he does what he does, any amusing anecdoes (has he ever brought home some unexpected 'passengers'), have any orchids been named after him, where's his next orchid hunt. I'll vouch for that if you send me ( an email, or can do the same - several people get copies of mail sent there. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:59, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

What will I report about? Shall I ask Lou Jost about the details of the discovery - e.g. what was the weather? No, I shall not, as this news has already been covered, and is quite old. What news event can I hear from him? Wikinews would be much worse if every PC owner would ask world's orchid, lemur, insect, ... hunters to talk about their everyday life, wouldn't it? Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 10:15, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't know Lou's background, I don't know what would or would not be appropriate for an interview. So, I suggest it to you. You are rather prickly - usually it's me around here is the grouch. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 10:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

An important part of any online media outlet is their ability to have first-hand access to details, interviews and photographs that haven't already been sifted through other news agencies — allowing us the ability to determine for ourself what is worth reporting about a certain story. --Wikinews:Original reporting

Which story shall I ask about? About November 30th discovery? Or is Wikinews really interested in everyday life of world's leading orchid hunter? Or should I make Lou Jost have a TV speech? Any other suggestions? Thank you for the offer to interview Lou Jost, but it still sounds quite strange for me. Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 12:22, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • There are a variety of approaches to making an interview newsworthy. For example, see this interview. And I didn't mean me doing the interview; Lou comes across as quite approachable in his email. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:25, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is me who could do the interview, I'll try to see whether I will be able to make it newsworthy. Thank you for your offer (or proposal? I do not know the difference between the two words :-). Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 13:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

  • The word I would use is "suggestion", or perhaps "encouragement". Your comment makes me realise you are likely not a native English speaker, sorry I did not guess this earlier. The policy you quoted above deliberately does not suggest trying to do things like the Satanism interview because many people will then do silly things like try to interview a friend who plays guitar and is really non-notable. Lou is in the news, he has been finding new orchids for many years, so he qualifies as "newsworthy". It can be quite interesting for readers to do a follow-up piece like a Wikipedia Did You Know.
As you say you are unsure on the meaning of some words, may I recommend chenging your user preferences to enable a gadget for Wiktionary? This will give you the meaning for any word in the language you set Wikinews to in user preferences. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:58, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your support about the orchid article. During the next several days I will try to interview Lou Jost by e-mail. The last sentence of my previous post was a joke, and you thought it serious :-) It's very funny to read you sometimes. This is what Wikinews should not do: joke. :)) Gryllida (page, talk, contributions) 00:33, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Not done yet. Gryllida (page, contributions, talk) 01:08, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Mozilla's browser latest version surpasses Miscosoft's one in popularity

{{helpme}} What has happened with this page? It seems that Noian (talk · contribs) moved it to WikiNews NewsBriefs (December 27), and then said that he is its author, and requested to delete it? But he is not the real author of this article, and had no right to delete it! How can I recover it? Gryllida (page, contributions, talk) 23:27, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I've restored it in the newsbrief format, put a develop template on it, and a note on the talk. This was an admin error. The Mozilla news needs a second source and minimum of three paragraphs to move back into its own article. In any case, it needs a second source. The news brief can be renamed up to around 29th and other items added. If there's nothing at a publishable stage by then, it would be deleted as {{stale}}. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:36, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

But I had three sources, and two paragraphs. Could you please restore it completely? Gryllida (page, contributions, talk) 00:39, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I see it (, but I do not know how to get the source to paste it back into the briefs. Gryllida (page, contributions, talk) 00:47, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Brian McNeil (talk · contribs), for the restore. Gryllida (page, contributions, talk) 01:17, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

  • I found quite a few more stat sources and listed their latest reports on Popularity of Mozilla Firefox grows's talk page. The W3C stats for December are due in 4 days and the November ones only show around 1% difference between IE8 and Firefox 3.5. Wikipedia doesn't have an article on StatCounter, which surprised me. I've briefly used their "webbug" for stats tracking; it would be trivial to block with a simple filter.
  • I didn't see Wikipedia reference any stats that come from big-name sites, I'm going to ask Erik Zachte at the WMF if we can have advance details of the English Wikipedia browser breakdown for December once he's run the calculations. --Brian McNeil / talk 04:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

This news was unconfirmed yet. Writing moved to the beginning of February. Gryllida (page, contributions, talk) 08:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)