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Al Sharpton speaks out on race, rights and what bothers him about his critics[edit]

I disagree with Zanimum's below nomination, preferring this article over an interview that a certain percentage would just skip. The intro on the Sharpton interview is well done, it grounds anyone who knows a little bit about Thanksgiving in a family environment where you've discussed some political issue or personality and just come up with questions. Then it moves on to putting these and other questions to the person in question, and they're good compelling answers. It is long, the only thing making it difficult to read is finding the time - uninterrupted. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

  • Support --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support as nom. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support great interview --TheVault - (talk) 04:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Support provides a facinating look at Sharpton, even if the hardest questions weren't really asked. Drawback is that Sharpton remains a NY figure making the international appeal diminished.--SVTCobra 04:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Support per nom, really great work. Cirt - (talk) 11:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Interview with gay marriage movement founder Evan Wolfson[edit]

While I'm a fan of tons of David Shankbone's articles, and he's had "bigger" names interviewed (that Rep. Pres. candidate), this interview subject seems to be the most lasting of relevance. The questions are well-worded and NPOV, and the set-up is a great lead to the article. It can be refered to for years to come, and I don't doubt that it will still be of relevance. -- Zanimum 18:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

  • Support per nom.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. The piece is quite comprehensive on a number of issues, and the lead-in/intro is excellent. Cirt - (talk) 11:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Per above comments. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Chris Benoit mystery editor confesses: claims "terrible coincidence"[edit]

The most famous article on Wikinews, ever. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Support. Not because it's famous, but because it's well done. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • support Bawolff 21:50, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, not because of fame, but because of immediacy. Scoops and exclusivity are a good amount what makes a news outlet. -- Zanimum 18:40, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. Famous, good writing, exclusive, this deserves to be featured article. --User:Anonymous101 Talk 20:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Support --Brian McNeil / talk 10:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose, not something I would proudly show off to a legitimate media source as an 'example' of WN' skill and professionalism. It's not really "exclusive" if there wasn't even an interview done - it's essentially an introduction to a transcript. Sherurcij 01:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - essentially a block-quote. Hardly FA material. --SVTCobra 04:25, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


Wikinews investigates Wikipedia usage by U.S. Senate staff members[edit]

I think this article should be the first FA! It is of high quality and had an amazing amount of detail. It uncovered a major scandal and is the most publicity wikinews has had. —Symode09 06:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Support - a major story - my reasoning is above —Symode09 06:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose, think we need to fix formatting first: although it has been archived, I don't think wikilinks should be in titles. I will probably support if consensus is to change this.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - I completely agree with symode this is a huge story and is well written. —NECRONOMICOMEDIAN
  • Comment Wikinews' best article and that one that gave us the best publicity is this article. When you search for Wikinews on google the London Bombings story is the second search result after our home page. FellowWikiNewsie 02:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Not only that, when you search google for london out of free content resualts, we're #1. Bawolff 03:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Touche, it is not the most well known article however it is (IMHO) the best article because, it uncovers a huge scandal and, shows the standard of work on wikinews —Symode09 02:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Both articles are great and deserving of featuredness. Bawolff 03:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral Google trends marks the article in there report...and at the time this got massive publicity...but I am nor for or against FA. DragonFire1024 05:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Support In light of where the present Administration has brought us with regards to the end of Habeas Corpus, wire tapping and general disregard for the Law (Ref Alberto Gonzales, John Yoo et al) this story is germane and topical and we MUST shed light on all the areas of darkness where otherwise mushrooms might grow because of all the BS - --RHakeem 19:05, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment, evidence of this article getting "massive publicity"? Sherurcij 01:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Support. Per nom by Symode09 (talk · contribs). Cirt - (talk) 10:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

DUP and Sinn Féin make gains in Northern Ireland Assembly election[edit]

Nice lengthy article, good use of quote lefts and lots of logos.

  • Support. Well written and pleasingly presented, forced me to create {{QuoteRight|quote|4=attribution}} to balance it up. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose because of it's extensive use of BBC sources. Not that I'm free of such a sin, but I don't think it's appropriate for a feature article.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:17, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Come on it's complete copyright violation!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support It is presented very nicely, and is pleasing to the eyes. --Wpktsfs 04:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Support --Jcart1534 12:45, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support So there's alot of BBC sources, it's still a good article. --TUFKAAP 22:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Very complete and well structured. -- Zanimum 14:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Steven. well written, but we do want to highlight diversity of sources in compiled reports. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doldrums (talkcontribs)

Wikinews international report: "Anonymous" holds anti-Scientology protests worldwide[edit]

This simply has to get the FA template. It is mostly Original Reporting, it is a collaborative effort from contributors around the globe, and I believe one of the best showcases of the potential Wikinews has. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Support as nom --Brian McNeil / talk 00:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Support FellowWiki Newsie 00:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose the article is essentially a photo gallery, hundreds of photos of nearly-identical images. It doesn't have one "defining" image, quote or paragraph that sets it apart as excellent journalism - and I have lingering suspicions whether many of the "reporters" met even the most rudimentary of WN ethics. Sherurcij 01:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose while perhaps unprecendented as far as collaboration, it is frought with inline links to external websites, unreliable sources and tremendous gaps in the WN:OR reporting notes. YouTube links are by the dozens, are they OR too? Not that I have any undue goodwill toward CoS, but this pushes NPOV boundries. --SVTCobra 04:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Neutral Agree with Brianmc (talk · contribs) and SVTCobra (talk · contribs) that this article certainly had an unprecedented amount of participation from contributors around the globe. But both SVTCobra and Sherurcij (talk · contribs) bring up some valid points. Cirt - (talk) 11:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Support Probably will be the most OR in one article we will ever have. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 20:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League 2007/08: Celtic 1-1 Spartak Moscow[edit]

I sat and watched this match to give my own match report. It seems there isn't a sporting featured article. I have posted this here because I think that my report should become a FA because it's in-depth, categorised, neat and has pictures. I would like to hear your feedback. Celticfan383 00:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Oppose, lines like "Celtic were very attacking from the start of extra time" are unclear, and there are no photos or evidence of OR. Sorry, but thanks for the article! Sherurcij 04:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
There were images on there but they were removed... Unsure why. Sorry for the confusion. I will add some pictures in a moment. ńăŧħăń - ŧĕẍŧ 16:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose No notes- article good but not amazing --A101 - (talk) 11:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

UEFA Champions League 2007/08: Celtic 1-1 Spartak Moscow[edit]

I sat and watched this match to give my own match report. It seems there isn't a sporting featured article. I have posted this here because I think that my report should become a FA because it's in-depth, categorised, neat and has pictures. I would like to hear your feedback. Celticfan383 00:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Oppose, lines like "Celtic were very attacking from the start of extra time" are unclear, and there are no photos or evidence of OR. Sorry, but thanks for the article! Sherurcij 04:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
There were images on there but they were removed... Unsure why. Sorry for the confusion. I will add some pictures in a moment. ńăŧħăń - ŧĕẍŧ 16:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose No notes- article good but not amazing --A101 - (talk) 11:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found[edit]

One of the two most famous Wikinews article ever. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 08:55, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment: fourth paragraph has a problem with the Carry Bass statement, sounds contradictory plus there are too many buts.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Treatment of Indonesian governor in Sydney causes diplomatic stir[edit]

Like Steven below me, just interested to know what everyone thinks about whether this meets all the FAC criteria. Self-nomination. Daniel 08:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Neutral. Looks professional, well-written and elaborate, well referenced and all... but doesn't strike me as having the X-factor... Maybe a bit too encyclopaedic, I removed some overlinking (to words like hotel etcetera). --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Police ends demonstration of anarchist squatters in Belgium[edit]

I'd like to know what everyone thinks (self-nomination). --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - I'd like to see a little more explanation of what is going on here. OK, squatters are in this place and have been there for 7 years, now they are being evicted, Opus Dei owns the location. This much I got. But why is it happening now? Did Opus Dei let them stay all these years or did they buy it from previous owners who were more accepting of squatters. I ask these questions due to the similarity with the situation in Copenhagen, Denmark, over the Ungdomshuset (youth house) which caused riots earlier this year. --SVTCobra 00:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I felt reluctant to make changes to the article so late. I'll take that as an oppose.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, the one image gallery seems better-suited to have been made a Commons-link and some quotes from either the police or squatters would've been a nice touch, but it's got some contextual and stellar photography, and is one of the best-written articles - a concise opening, a pithy closing and lots of information between. Sherurcij 01:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment: Grammar and apostrophe problems with this sentence: "At a students house, which according to the squatters belongs to Opus Dei, the protesters threw paint, and a window got broken." - students should be student's, and "a window got broken" isn't the best way to phrase that. But the text probably shouldn't be changed this long after publication. Cirt - (talk) 11:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Deadly Typhoon Cimaron makes landfall in Luzon[edit]

I think this article is very detailed, well-written, and provides a sufficient amount of pictures, though I wish that I could've added a damage pic. I hope I'm not sounding to biased, but I'm just proud of myself, because the article that I write on wikipedia aren't normally as good as this. I can Support this, right? Icelandic Hurricane 01:28, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  • support not bad. Bawolff 23:32, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral, it's good, but there's way too many one sentence paragraphs. -- Zanimum 22:52, 7 February Q2007 (UTC)
  • Support.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral. I agree with Zanimum about there being too many single-sentence paragraphs. The report is excellent in its coverage but not as well strung together as it could have been. However, getting your writing to flow is something that takes practice. You want to draw the reader through the report; you're telling a story and want the reader to have a reaction at the end of each paragraph (eg interesting, I didn't know that, that sounds terrible, what happened next?, and so on). That should be what prompts them to read further. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:14, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose I agree with the above comments, that this article needs a lot of editing before it will be FA quality. —BlackTerror 21:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Minute" is misspelled in the second sentence. Such egregious mistakes are symptoms of a larger problem. 209.137.182.35 17:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Pope John Paul II dies[edit]

Looks great, good coverage. Talk page is interesting.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Smoke from massive warehouse fire in Buffalo, New York USA can be seen 40 miles away[edit]

I don't normally nominate my own writing, but this was an excellent story, great coverage and has excellent pictures. It is also Original Reporting. DragonFire1024 12:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Support DragonFire1024 12:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, although I wouldn't exactly call the images excellent. But I agree, the coverage is truly excellent.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Neutral I have seen many better articles. Although there is nothing that strikes this as a bad article, per se, it's just not one of our best. --Skenmy(tcwi) 18:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Maybe it's because it's a local story, but if you look at the criteria it meets them all. But hey, gotta go with your guts!--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
On the images, I was far away at the time it started and I got as many as I could as I got closer and saved the best ones. When I did get close, although I was allowed to cross "the police line," I was still held back a bit becasue it was a very dangerous situation. I would have loved to have gotten better images, But nonetheless I love the ones I did get. The close ones were blinded by a lot of smoke, and bad lighting. If I have time, and its not raining in the next few days, I will go take "aftermath" pictures. DragonFire1024 05:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Don't misunderstand me, I think you did good work, I just think the camera you are using is limiting the quality of your pictures.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 10:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree to an extent..this was just overall bad lighting and a lot of smoke...I did not get you wrong :) DragonFire1024 10:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Have to support great original reporting. Not an easy thing to do and this was an interesting read. Jcart1534 12:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support OR is hard at the best of times. Well written, great photos - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 11:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. couple of possible fixes - "Hazmat crews" instead of the current "hazmatt" and "could not get to center of the fire" instead of the present "cannot get to center of the fire". –Doldrums(talk) 08:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Pilotguy radar contact 17:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)


NCAA Basketball: Championship week concludes today as teams await release of national tournament bracket[edit]

I put a lot of work into keeping it up-to-date and relevant, and figure it might be a good feature of what the sports department can do when we put some elbow grease into our work.

  • Comment: I'm not sure why it says: "March 11, 2007 // Original Article: March 4, 2007". "simply ran out of steam" sounds like POV to me. Maybe the article would benefit from some images, for example logos?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: Featured article canidates should have images. DragonFire1024 20:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose As Brianmc said on the talk page, the editor did a great job! but most of the users here arn't familiar with the sport, the article is lacking international interest, and pictures or images. But that's just my opinion. FellowWikiNewsie 21:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


Violence in Uganda over forest clearing proposal[edit]

I (w:en:User:Béka) think this article is really good, it covers the subject detailed and in-depth.

Broken stormwater drain led to Guatemala sinkhole[edit]

Although this article was written on March 6, I just came across it now. I think it deserves some consideration as a FAC. It has original reporting, with excellent supporting notes. It is well written, nicely formatted, and has great photos. Jcart1534 12:36, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

U.S. military tribunal law faces first court challenge[edit]

Looks great, very comprehensive.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Support as nom.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:12, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Good article, flows well, good images, great coverage, if a little encyclopaedic. --Skenmy(tcwi) 18:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Support - A very timely topic about the tribunal that treats the topic with tempered detail.--RHakeem 05:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Support Well written article - nice formatting. Jcart1534 12:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, if the sentence "Even when the CSRT referred torture allegations for investigation, it did not await for results before ruling based on the evidence." is fixed -- either change "await" to "wait", or remove the subsequent "for", to make it grammatically correct. Otherwise, it looks like an excellent article. —BlackTerror 20:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 11:43, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Kenya Airways jet with at least 114 on board crashes[edit]

Excellent coverage.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Support.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support DragonFire1024 12:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Brilliant sourcing, good article, very informative. --Skenmy(tcwi) 18:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Excellent!!! --MarkTalk 17:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Support The coverage seemed to be among the best out there while the situation unfolded. Jcart1534 12:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Mass wedding held against racism in Belgium[edit]

A great deal of work has gone into this piece of original reporting, there are lots of pictures and our coverage is probably better than most of the mainstream media. I believe this meets the criteria of showing Wikinews at its best.


Virgin Train crashes in England[edit]

Well written, fairly in-depth, has pictures.

Furry fans flock to Further Confusion 2007[edit]

Belive it meets all the requirements listed above, in addition its an unusual and interesting read. (I know this process really is not used, but i think this represents one of the directions in which wikinews could go/grow into, and its a good example of it.) Bawolff 02:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this article to be very interesting, informative, and well-written. I'm sure that it meets all requirements of a featured article. TheVault 03:08, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
So a bunch of mental people decide to go to a convention and form a giant yiff pile, big deal. 137.112.141.152 07:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
note: anons are general not eligible to vote. Bawolff 07:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid that as much as furry fans having sex with one another would have been breaking news, I neither saw nor heard of such a "yiff pile" at the convention, therefore it was not included in the story. GreenReaper 15:44, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Staying anon for my own sanity I must express actual rage that this be considered to represent WikiNews in ANY way. With so much of real substance happening in the world impacting millions of people, this deserves nothing but disdain for taking up space.

So then why aren't you writing about these things of "real substance"? So many people spend their time complaining about major events being ignored, but then don't do anything about it by covering them. We were established with the concept that we'd report on both news events of monumental importance, and news events that traditionally get shafted for coverage. FC is, as I understand it, the ultimate Detroit Auto Show of this interest. It deserves to be covered. Any original reporting at all deserves to be applauded. -- Zanimum 22:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Technically, that's Anthrocon, which gets a little more media attention. But FC is almost as big, and doesn't appear to get any, which makes original reporting more important for it. I've done similar things (but somewhat more informally) for MFF in 05 and 06. GreenReaper 01:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
This article provides a welcome break from all of the "real substance" news (war, controversy, politics, or disasters). It is great to read about something else in the news for once. TheVault 15:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. Meets all the needs of an FA, through complete original reporting. -- Zanimum 22:49, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. I support this article for featured status because it is an enthusiastic, well written, contribution that people (apart from our anon here) will want to read. Sure, it isn't a world event or major news, but it is news. We should be an outlet for all news, and there should be a variety of editions where certain articles may be suppressed -- when we have a level of coverage that requires such steps. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support, as per above. Didn't know this was still active... --Thunderhead - (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. As I said above. TheVault 15:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. Well written article.Bengaley 22:26, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. I had a lot of fun writing this article. I hope that as a featured article, others will have a lot of fun reading it; and, perhaps, be inspired to write one of their own. GreenReaper 02:09, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a heads up, featured articles don't really get any more attention then normal articles (which is the main reason this procedure doesn't happen very often) Bawolff 03:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Alas. Well, at least I read all the current ones . . .
Still, if what you say is true, perhaps they should? At WikiFur, our best work is something that we're proud of - we keep it around, to show others. Indeed, we make a point of doing so to visitors - because, you know, then they might actually decide to join in and do something similar. :-) Indeed, most of our front page is featured content in some way or another. GreenReaper 03:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but you're an entirely different type of project then we are. Furwiki (to my understanding) in more encyclopedic in nature and specialized. Its not really important for it to be extremely current. However, we have to have things new. No one in general cares about yesterday's news that much. Bawolff 04:03, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
This is true - to an extent. It's partly because Wikinews appears to be focusing on "hard" news - while I can see the reasons for this, I think it limits things quite a bit. But our featured content is not just for the benefit of our readers; it's for those who would be contributors but don't know it yet. A really good selection of pieces can inspire people to write their own to join it, even if they've never done anything similar before. I don't think you really "get" Wikipedia until you've seen a featured article, and I think the same is likely to be true of Wikinews. GreenReaper 04:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
That is a refreshing perspective GreenReaper. Magazine-like content is good stuff and is something like what I find this featured article candidate to be. "Hard" news goes at a fast and furious pace, and from that perspective, after 2 or 3 days, I beieve an article is firewood. It makes me somewhat of a bigot, by blabbering here, to say that I would rather see community time spent in what was proudly reported at Wikinews in the media. -Edbrown05 04:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with you (GreenReaper), but at the moment, I don't see how we can really promote it further. Although its not exactly time sensitive, we can't just keep it on the main page forever. Bawolff 04:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking beyond this particular article. :-) How many people were surprised to discover that Wikinews even had a collection of featured articles? How do you get there from the main page? Where are people meant to go when they look for examples of good work to emulate?
Wikinews does really well on showing readers what's "latest" - to an extent that other wikis could do well to learn from - but it seems to fall down on "best." On professional news sites perhaps this doesn't matter all that much, in part because people who write for such sites tend to know what they're doing already, but if people come here and all they see are the average stories then that's probably all they'll be inspired to write, if they do so at all. People do better with lots of good examples laid out in front of them. It's a hassle - I know, because I'm usually the one who ends up doing it at WikiFur - but presenting an archive of the best of your work has multiple benefits that make it well worth the time involved. If nothing else, it's something the Wikinews community can look at and be proud of, and that's no small advantage. GreenReaper 05:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Let me clarify that - it falls down on a collection of "long term best." This article is possibly the best on Wikinews, but how many new readers will even know it exists? GreenReaper 05:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually a lot (Its our most popular story [1] ) However I do see your point. People should be able to see examples of us at our best. Bawolff 05:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)