Oppose - why? Tools for the sake of tools. We have plenty of active Bureaucrats --Skenmytalk 07:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Tempodivalse's RfB went overdue by several weeks, which might suggest that we do need a couple more bureaucrats. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Was a Bureaucrat actually notified about the end of the vote? I certainly wasn't :) --Skenmytalk 14:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think that is like saying "Why do we need more admins?". We've also got plenty of active admins. The problem is that we'd like to have someone active in each roll all the time, crat and admin. On most wiki's we'd want more than one active admin at all time because there is a lot to do, wikinews not so much, but it is still a good idea. So lets take a quick look at the crats, we've got 10. IlyaHaykinson (talk · contribs) has been editing on 10 days this year, Eloquence (talk · contribs) once so far, Chiacomo (talk · contribs) inactive since Oct 2008. Not saying anything bad about those people (Those were just 3 easy people to point out), but people come and go on wiki's. People get busy in real life, or simply get bored/tired/sick/frustrated with the wiki. That long boring spiel being said, Skenmy feels we've got enough, that's perfectly fine. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 16:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is we use admins a lot more (for archiving / editprotected / copyvio, etc) than other projects do. We actually use the tools for our project goals, rather than them being there just for technical reasons. However, our Bureaucrats have no difference between other projects - they serve two purposes here on Wikinews - promoting users and renaming users. We have six Bureaucrats who I would consider "active" at this moment in time - plenty for a project of this size. This isn't a personal jab against you, SGN, I have every respect for you and you are a fantastic contributor to the community. I simply do not believe in giving out tools that are not needed, just because we trust in a user. Admins are sorely needed by the majority of our regular contributor base. Bureaucrats are not. --Skenmytalk 16:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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