User talk:Eloquence

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Change Username Request[edit]

Hi, I have a change username request. Kgargar 02:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I will respond to messages on this page. Please check your contributions list ("My contributions") for responses. If there is a response, your edit is no longer the "top" edit in the list.

Thanks. I'll wait for it. --Kgargar 03:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Unlike other users, I don't archive Talk pages manually since old revisions are automatically archived anyway. Direct archive links:

Fire in Vladivostok[edit]

Hello. I create article "Everybody must know it! Fire accident in Vladivostok, Russia" Here is russian version: http://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/Крупный_пожар_в_офисном_здании_Владивостока

Thanks for your response. There is another story at Horrible fire accident in Vladivostok, Russia. I'm about to make dinner, but I'll look into merging the efforts and adding sources later.--Eloquence 23:35, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Al Qaeda bomb maker confirmed dead in U.S. airstrike in Pakistan[edit]

Thanks for your suggestion, but I had a couple of run-ins with one of the editors of this article before. Since he displayed strong feelings of ownership before and I have not been able to successfully communicate my concerns with him I decided to merely point out the factual problems this time. In the end it saves everybody time since the pattern has been that he reverts my changes anyway. I know it is not very constructive, but I ran out of ideas... --vonbergm 00:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

I see. I guess the only thing I could recommend is to go through the steps in Wikinews:Dispute resolution -- but that's a time-intensive thing to do.--Eloquence 00:44, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Need help![edit]

Please see my page, StrangerInParadise 14:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

RSS/Atom feed and Facebook[edit]

Syndicationfeed[edit]

Syndicationfeed is a custom special page. It produces RSS and Atom feeds. It is operational at Journowiki:Special:Syndicationfeed, but has not fully implemented the configuration variables. You can read more about it, and see a version (not up-to-date) of the source through Journowiki:Help:Syndicationfeed.

Facebook[edit]

I see no problem with implementing a facebook, so long as the images are freely licensed and uploaded at commons. (Unless you think we can stretch the Fair Use policy and consider personal images as Publicity photos?) - Amgine | talk en.WN 16:19, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Re Userpage for Stranger[edit]

I've thought about doing so, and concur with your reasoning. My issue at the moment is that Wikinews have not engendered sufficient trust in me to encourage me to stay. I find regular and serious abuse of admin power here, particularly the use of blocking to prevail in an editorial dispute. Also, as I type these lines, Amgine is engaged in censoring a story I cowrote concerning NSW's new cannabis laws, claiming that all the background material was superfluous, but gov't spokesmen making claims was news not to be in any way disputed. Compare his and mine, and see our correspondance. Note that he announced his intent during a series of my edits, which he then explicitly overwrote. How long will he leave the {{inuse}} banner in place after he is done?

This is special,

A medical practitioner speaking for the government is a news event; wikinews rebutting that argument is not.
-Amgine

Note the rebuttal was not explicit, but the juxtaposition of well-sourced facts.

Amgine is senior here. The institutional problems I find here are Foundation-level issues, that is, the inmates appear to be running the asylum. I can appreciate the growing pains involved in adapting the Wiki ethos to a domain as immediate as journalism, and think the effort very worthwhile. Critical work remains.

StrangerInParadise 20:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

An update, I've made a compromise edit which hopefully addresses Amgine's concerns and preserves his better edits. In the interest of the story, I overcame the temptation to see just how long he'd leave the {{inuse}} flag after his last edit, cutting it off at about one hour twenty.

StrangerInParadise 21:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Note MrM's reversions. StrangerInParadise 21:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

RE: 4 days[edit]

Stranger is still a "new" account, which is covered in BP at admin's discretion. Also, being that this is the user's second 3RR violation in the past week, I do not feel that the advised time was enough. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 22:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, given that it's the second violation, I won't complain. Perhaps we should codify a steady increase of blocking time for repeated 3RR violations somewhere.--Eloquence 22:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

TOC issue[edit]

I have no strong feelings about it either way, but isn't this a general style issue? StrangerInParadise 06:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess it is; a recommendation could be added to Wikinews:Style guide. I would suggest that a TOC is used only for in-depth reports of 30K or more. Generally, I prefer it if Wikinews doesn't look too much like Wikipedia, as that might discourage people from using it like Wikipedia.--Eloquence

You want to avoid resembling one of the most popular websites on the planet? =) StrangerInParadise 09:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I want us to become one of the most popular websites on the planet. ;)--Eloquence 10:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


3RR Proposal[edit]

Please see Wikinews:Water cooler/policy#3RR Discussion comment, et sequiem. This community has a fundemental decision to make as to whether it shall be governed by the guidance of rules or the whims of personalities. Now is the time. StrangerInParadise 12:48, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

I have called for a vote on the 3RR Proposal. StrangerInParadise 05:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Discussions[edit]

Let me know what you think of Template:Discussions. Nyarlathotep 15:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The chinese wikinews site is ready to be launched[edit]

The chinese wikinews site is ready to be launched. there is a new vote after a long discussion among the wikipedians on chinse wikipedia community. the vote page on meta is:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikinews/Vote/Zh

the project has been supported by over 30 people in the past week. according to the policy, after one week of voting, there is more than 90% of overall agreement, it can be launched immediately.

so please help us to lauched the project. thank you!

any questions about the detail of this vote, please talk to me.

--Vipuser 10:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Bot help[edit]

As has been evident over the past week or so, Uncle G's new day bot is no more. In searching for bots that I might be able to cannibalise I came across one you'd done for auto-uploading in Perl. I can't find my Perl book and have probably only written 50 or so lines of the language, could you help with something to update Template:New page and create the day entries? (I've been doing those manually a month at a time). I can host on gein.vistech.net which has Perl 5.8.7 installed. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:53, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My bot is now doing the day entries, but it is very poorly suited for doing New page updates --Cspurrier 15:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
It may be moot, I've run into problems getting the Perl HTML::Parser stuff installed. It uses long function names that are giving me a few problems. Probably be fine if we could upgrade to the latest VMS version and compiler, I'd then also have the option to put in Python or PHP. Of course, there's then issues about who we let use the modules. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

blocking policy.[edit]

reg. ur addition of "(see scenarios below)" to the "troublemakers" line in the blocking policy. does the "scenarios below" refer (solely) to the Disruption section? in which case wldn't it be better to reword the line to read

Disrupt the normal functioning of wikinews.

Doldrums 06:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It is intended to be an inclusive reference that covers a large subset of the "scenarios" below. It should probably be reworded.--Eloquence 12:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
yes, i think it should be reworded. one possibility may be to move the troublemakers line to the lead paragraph of the blocking policy. 'coz, unlike other items in the list, this appears to me, to summarise the intent of the policy rather than describe specific behavior which warrants blocking. Doldrums 14:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's blocking policy is quite well developed and handles many issues we've faced. I vaguely remember it using "restatments of the sites mission" to resolve contentious wording, but I can't find that now, although its clearly an option here, i.e. replace trouble makers with "users impeding our delivery of the news". Oh, the rumor is that wikipedia deliberately does not allow blocking for personal attacks. [1] Nyarlathotep 15:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Rfa[edit]

I seem to have a tie vote in my Rfa & support and 7 oppose and 1 abstain. I am wondering what is to be done next? Jason Safoutin 13:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

RfA is about consensus, so I'm afraid a split vote is not nearly enough for you to become an administrator -- sorry. Usually we go for 75-80% support as a minimum, though many nominations had no objections at all. I suggest trying again in 4-8 weeks.--Eloquence 13:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok. But IMO, a tie is not a concensus either. Jason Safoutin 13:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
No, it's not. But you need consensus support, not consensus opposition, to become an admin. :-) --Eloquence 13:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand...there is no concensus on either end. Thats what a tie is. Jason Safoutin 13:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Let me rephrase: The fact that the entire community doesn't oppose you (which is what "consensus on the other end" would mean) doesn't mean that you become an administrator. If you had consensus opposition, you'd in fact be pretty close to being banned. Adminship is granted when there is community consensus to do so. Otherwise the status quo - no adminship - remains.--Eloquence 13:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
An Rfa is for admin concensus. Not a Rfb (Request For Banning). If I had thought that was the case, I woud not have accepted the nomination. I accepted to help, not to be banned. And that cmparrison IMO is not a fair one. I was simply asking for clarification not a rude answer. Jason Safoutin 13:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I did not mean to offend. My point is simply that there is no status between adminship and regular users, and adminship is only granted when pretty much everyone agrees. It's a consensus poll between two options (similar to a deletion request), not a majority vote, so there is no tie. Yours is a fairly typical outcome, in fact, for users who just need to go a little more to become admins. A contributor who receives only "Oppose" on RfA is the exception, and such a contributor would either be very new, or very unpopular.--Eloquence 14:12, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Rfda[edit]

This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

If you're around and about[edit]

in about an hour or so... it might be nice to talk in IRC. - Amgine | talk en.WN 03:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.[edit]

Thanks for voting on my RfA. If I am granted Administratorship, you can be sure I will not misuse the faith you have in me. PVJ Flag of India.svg (Talk) 06:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

my bureaucrat and sysop flags[edit]

Oscar has removed my bureaucrat and sysop flags by mistake. It appears he got mixed up by MrM's request on my talk page. I would very much appreciate if you could make me a bureaucrat again. --Cspurrier 02:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It's been fixed. -- IlyaHaykinson 03:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Please review this Request for Administratorship.[edit]

I had nominated myself for Administratorship on the 24th of May. The current vote count is 13 supporting and 2 opposing. Please check [2] iit and take any neseccary action. Thank you. PVJ Flag of India.svg (Talk) 16:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Pirate Party interview[edit]

My liege, pardon me for asking, but would you set my hair on fire, cut off my toes, and lock me in a cage with my enemies if I were to remove the "Avast ye scurvy file sharers!" part from "Avast ye scurvy file sharers!": Interview with Swedish Pirate Party leader Rickard Falkvinge? It just doesn't look right, plus it makes the article title longer than it should be. —THIS IS MESSEDR with umlaut.pngOCKER (TALK) 02:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

My liege? :-) I'm trying to emulate a title/subtitle structure. This is more magazine style than newspaper style, which I think is appropriate for interviews. My own preference would be that if you change it, you put something else before the colon. But do raise it on the talk page and see what others think.--Eloquence 04:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

commons - Image:Highgasprices.ogg & Image:Hazemalaysia.ogg[edit]

I think Image:Hazemalaysia.ogg is public domain by user:Leofan7. I think most of the audio produced on this site was pd at that time (this is before we adopted cc-by). I also think the same thing about Image:Highgasprices.ogg based on [3]. Could you possibly undelete them? Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Done.--Eloquence 19:48, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Also commons:image:Aussievolcano.ogg however this one is an anon, but still during pd period. [4]

Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

As well, commons:Image:Bernard Ebbers.jpg was deleted, but its en wikipedia counterpart had source. — w:Image:Bernard Ebbers.jpg. Sorry to put so many requests here. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 01:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Travelling for a few days, will only be able to review these when I get back.--Eloquence 06:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thats okay, no rush. Thanks for looking. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 19:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I've undeleted the Ogg file. The other image is questionable - it being in a press release on a government website doesn't mean it is in the public domain. I'll leave it deleted for now, unless there is some clear evidence that it was indeed taken by a US federal government employee.--Eloquence 18:58, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, If thats the case, I'll upload it locally, as it could qualify as publicity (Hoping I got that right. All this fair use stuff makes my head spin). Thanks. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Where, how and who to ask new namespaces on fr[edit]

Hi, i'ld like to have new namespace on the french speaking wikinews :

  1. Page (or Portail is Page is not possible)
  2. Dossier

is it possible ? who could do what ?? thans

Jacques Divol 21:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

1) Create an entry in Bugzilla.
2) In that entry, briefly describe the namespaces and their purpose.
3) Add a comment to the entry and point to a community discussion on fr.wikinews.org where it is clear that the community does not object to the idea.
If there aren't enough French community members to comment, you could post about the idea on wikinews-l and ask for feedback from the international Wikinews community instead.--Eloquence 21:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
ok thanks for this speedy answer Jacques Divol

Wikinews at Wikimania[edit]

Hello. About your post at Village Pump of Portuguese Wikinews, we can't help you. Anyone of us can go at Wikimani, but Carlosar can edit the second page. Good luck at Boston, and sorry for the english. --Slade meta 03:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

NP, but too bad none of you are coming ;-( --Eloquence 05:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikis and the news[edit]

Are there any transcripts or recordings available for this discussion? --+Deprifry+ 18:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

There should be a recording as both Dan and I were equipped with microphones. I'm not sure how useful it would be since the audience was talking without microphones, and it was an open discussion. I haven't seen anything posted yet, but if it will be, it should appear in the Wikimania 2006 archives.--Eloquence 22:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. And good luck with your candidacy. --+Deprifry+ 09:33, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Invitation on Wikinews-de[edit]

There has been an invitation for a press conference after the establishment of the german pirate party, which will be held in Berlin [5]. You are the only user who lives in Berlin an who is active sometimes. Perhaps you have time to go there. Regards --SonicR 12:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible. Remind me again in a week or so?--Eloquence 00:16, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay. It's on 10th of September and will take place in Berlin-Mitte (They will unveil the actual place soon). The press conference will start at about 14:00. More information can be found here. We can collect some questions at the wiki if you go there. Regards --SonicR 09:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

DV's video of Wikinews:Broadcast, Do you by anychance know the license[edit]

I was wondering if you by any chance knew the license of the video for the trailer of Wikinews:Broadcast. I would assume its PD as it was before we adopted the CC-BY. I also got this email from him on Jan 29, 2006 10:21 PM (after inquiring), and kept forgetting to ask you:

Hi Bawolff,

Thanks for your interest in the video.

As far as I am concerned, please feel free to upload that video
to anywhere you like. However, others might not agree. It's my
understanding that Wikinews has a different license than
Wikimedia Commons, so you might want to double-check with
someone who knows about the licensing issues (Erik?) before you
proceed, as the script for the video was written by other
contributors who might not agree to such an upload, if the
license on Commons is now more (or less?) restrictive than the
one on Wikinews.

During my recent holiday in northeastern China, Wikipedia and
Wikinews were not reachable the couple of times I tried to use
the net. They simply "timed out".

It's still a pleasant diversion to read Wikinews once in a
while to see how it's doing. The selection of stories seems a
bit odd at times, but it's nice to see that Wikinews is still
going strong!

Thanks for writing.

Cheers,

David Vasquez

Happy editing Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 02:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

It is in the public domain, as that was the copyright policy at the time.--Eloquence 14:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay thanks. Wanted to make 100% sure. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 22:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

commons:Image:Angela_Merkel_CDU.jpg[edit]

Kannst du dir mal obengenanntes Bild anschauen, das die Commons uns nach einem Jahr unter den Füßen weggelöscht haben. Wenn mich ich mich richtig entsinne war es von der Seite der CDU/CSU-Fraktion so dass zumindest Fair Use möglich sein sollte. --+Deprifry+ 08:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

TV debate between German chancellor Schröder and opposition leader Merkel held, One week before German federal election, the race is wide-open again, Results of 2005 German federal election, Schröder gives up German chancellorship ambitions, makes way for Merkel, Angela Merkel elected new German chancellor und German Social and Christian Democrats agree on new government. --+Deprifry+ 09:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Ping.--+Deprifry+ 19:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Could you possibly undelete this file at commons commons:Image:Tsirene.ogg[edit]

Old audio wikinews file, PD like the other spoken wikinews from that time. used in Tropical Storm Irene to intensify, may hit U.S. coast. Thanks Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 23:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Done.--Eloquence 00:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Thankyou. Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 04:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

A proposed main page design[edit]

Can you take a look at this and tell me what you think of it on my talk page? —this is messedrocker (talk) 02:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Messedrocker is Amgine; here's the undisputable proof[edit]

[6] "...so I restored his talk page history and replaced it with a notice. —this is messedrocker [[User talk:Messedrocker|<font "

[7] [8]

Abba 12:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That explains how we live in two different countries and look entirely different, right? —this is messedrocker (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Addendum: Also to explain it, User talk:Amgine used to have a message that I wrote for the talk page. The edit itself, as well as the history, has since been relocated to User talk:Amgine/archives... see for yourself. Apparently, Amgine liked the message so much that he replaced the redirect that was at User talk:Amgine (due to the pagemove) with that message. Next time you make conspiracy theories, do a bit more in-depth research. —this is messedrocker (talk) 21:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Funny :-)--Eloquence 23:39, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Belated Congrats from Thunderhead[edit]

Wikimedia.png Foundation Star
I, Thunderhead, herby award the 'Wikimedia Award' to Eloquence for becoming a member of the Wikimedia Board. Sorry it came so late! Eloquence recieved this award on October 16, 2006


 ;-) Thank you!--Eloquence 23:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Serve us well on the Board! Thunderhead(talk) 00:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
My belated congrats too. Someone I voted for actually won something for once!! Bawolff ☺☻Smile.png 00:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Eloq-pic2.jpg Eloquence
I, User:Messedrocker (not to be confused with User:Mrmiscellanious or User:Amgine), award you with your own picture (apparently you're allowed to do that) because I'm pretty damn sure your red brown blond hair rigged the election in your name, as did your glasses. I assure you, though, my Eloquence poster had nothing to do with it. On that note, I should be a campaign manager for major U.S. Presidential elections, since I really didn't do anything and you won with 42% of the vote. Like I said, it was your hair and glasses. Not to mention me, but I didn't do rigging, in fact I did nothing, and yet you still won. Regardless, congratulations, and we ought to have an annual uber Wikinews conference. Jason has suggested to hold it in his home town of Buffalo, but I insisted that he would be hosting it. I would personally prefer some sort of conference hall. That would be a great Wikinews meeting. Get back to me on it. —this is messedrocker (talk) 01:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


Question about Wikiyouth[edit]

Me and Messed were talking on IRC about Wikiyouth. How am I involved in this situation? I know a lot about running forums, for the record, Thunderhead(talk) 03:01, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thanks for restoring my talk page. It really is sad that people want to destroy Wikinews. Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 22:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. Not a very friendly guy, Mcripper....--amiableamy 22:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Um... arn't vandal's all unfriendly? <sarcastic> —FellowWikiNews (W) 22:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
That's beside the point.--amiableamy 22:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, not all vandals blank 20 pages, but yes. No vandals are friendly. Thunderhead(talk)(Check out my RFA test) 22:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas, Eloquence! I have really enjoyed working with you this year, and I am honestly looking forward to another year just like it. Wikinews is a great community, and I am really excited to be a part of it. Again, Merry Christmas! Thunderhead Wikinews-logo.svg

Merry Christmas![edit]

File:Santa arrest.JPG
HO HO HO! These people got no presents from me this year.
FellowWikiNews is whishing thou a Merry very pegan Christmas , Seasons Greetings, Happy Holidays, Happy Hanukkah, or whatever thou calls it, and
realised they had purposefully forgotten about thou. This user is completely thoughtless, doesn't care about Season's Greetings,
and therefore DEMANDS you have yourself a Merry Christmas... NOW!

Failure to comply will result in going to jail with Santa. (Note: Santa is Satan spelt backwards)!

Christmas Story (Children Friendly):

So kids, is Santa Democrat or Republican??!

Often depicted as an obese man wearing a tasteless red, ermine trimmed suit, Santa Claus is a self-employed Caucasian male who's been married to the same woman for several centuries. It appears likely that he is a churchgoer, insofar as he is a Catholic saint and a former bishop. It has to be assumed here that Claus was released from his vows, or else he would not have been married.

Frequent arguments have erupted over the political affiliation of Claus. Ten years ago, Dick Cheney inadvertently dealt a savage blow to the morale of the Republican Party when he misidentified the political affiliation of Santa Claus in his best-selling book, Parliament of Whores. "Santa Claus," he said, "is a Democrat." However it is perfectly obvious from his demographic profile alone that Santa is in fact a Republican.

This assessment is often rebutted by Democrats with Anne-McCaffery counter-analysis: Santa Claus has no children. High-achieving professionals without children trend Democratic. While the Clausian canon does not specifically address the issue of Santa's children, numerous extra-canonical sources suggest that Claus did, in fact, reproduce. Numerous Christmas TV movie specials alone support this point.

Santa is renowned for an aggressive adherence to a binary naughty/nice list, which suggests an impatience for nuanced moral positions that betrays his Republican preferences. Santa's mere willingness to define individuals along a naughty/nice axis demonstrates his indifference to the philosophical stance of, say, The New York Times. And note that no canonical or extra-canonical Clausian text indicates that Santa ever attended college or, God forbid, graduate school.

THE END!!!

FellowWikiNews approves of this story.

I QUIT![edit]

My WikiStress Level

My Letter of Resignation:

To Whom It May Concern:

Since I have joined Wikinews I have been helpful in stopping vandalism. I however feel that now is my time to leave. Wikinews has several flaws with its design, one of which is also what makes Wikinews, well Wikinews. Unfortunately, I feel that this makes work of updating a simple article into a big problem when everybody goes renaming breaking stories which causes a big mess, and I can't handle the mess this causes anymore.

Furthermore, Wikinews has successfully alienated me by undermining all my work, all my work for Wikinews. I fell that my work here cannot continue and I hereby resign as an Admin or Wikinews, and also as a User of Wikinews. At this point a bureaucrat may remove my Admin status, and I wish you all luck with your future endeavors.

Sincerely,

    Ryan524 05:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Ryan

Adminship removed as requested--Cspurrier 19:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

problems with illigal and not true info on wiki damaging our name and products law suites in here before about these subjects[edit]

Hello Wiki,

I send mails and mails but no answer. Also the editors keep on going with untreu info and abusive language to say other powerballs are pirats fake and so on. We ourselves have a outdated patent out of 1994 till 2004 in the Benelux to prove we where before on the market with powerball Gyro's. Lawsuites and so on also for high court has proven this. So a lot of proves also if you go back in webarchives you cab read that others brands where before on the market with the Gyro principe, and not one independed institute has compare the brands and tested them. We sell also a German version IRONPOWER that was the first metal 2004 as on the NSD website is that their version was released in 2005. And so on. Yes my English is not OK but if you go trough the history in Wiki and read all the crap in the diferent languages that are lies not treu or damaging other Brands powerballs then wikipedia proves here is not a correct medium at all.

John mail is lyc ad powerball.cc or contact on that webpage

See my mails.


Powerball Gyro excercisers subject are giving wrong and not true information also legaly there are things not right. We are powerball importer for over 13 years now and some are trying to damage our good name and Brands ( the buyed before powerballs from us and now importing themselves after they liked our products and so on trying to damage our name but also to give wrong information to readers and users on the internet. They had to pay a claim of us and placed a rectification and so on.

We are Dynabee Brand holder and also patent in Benelux and Germany, we are selling and importing Dynabee, Ironpower and Nanosecond poweballs all legal and original powerballs, but in the topics some as user Dimitri are saying that others are fake and so on.) The High Court inhere has also proven that we are right and so on.

Yes I am not good in the French and Spanish version but can see that they are wrong to. ( and english is not my native language ok)


Also the French http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerball and Spanish http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynabee versions are saying things that are not treu.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerball

As Nasa has nothing to do with the invention that's misleading the Wiki readers for the advantage of a powerball importer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerball_%28exercise_tool%29

The name powerball is a desciption and common name for Gyro exercisers and therefore not one powerball could be fake. But also we have older powerballs years before Nanosecond was on the Market so who is the ... if its allowed to call others fake... ( no there are more Brands of powerballs al trying do their best;)

Also Nasa has nothing to do with the invention at all that's misleading the Wiki readers Dynabee 1973 by Variety Plastics has the first Patents of this invention and Ken Pravitz was the legal owner then.

Again and again trying to call others fake this is not legal as, proven for high court in our Country.

The other Importer ther has to pay a lot of money for the simular statements. And also they had to place rectifications and so on!

Only it is also not legal but as you al can read its more and more a strugle between Brands and Importers wich can damage and cost money!

We where the first powerball importers in Europe 1994 and patent Holder in Benelux for Dynabee powerballs. We have proved this for Court laws several times.


Regards,

John

Yes there are more commercial links also to our sites and so on if not please remove them all!!


Links with prove in Dutch and German and also from the Court Laws are here

http://www.powerball.cc/rectificatie-mill-products.htm Rectification of the importer by Law. http://www.powerball.cc/rechtspraak.pdf Court Law where also powerball is a proven common name and so on. http://www.boek9.nl/default.aspx?id=2515#body High Court law in Benelux where the importer that was our custommer before has to pay a claim.

A German university research about the Gyro proves also Dynabee was the first original but also this link is explaining the principe of powerball with drawings was removed before from the subject to. http://www.powerballeu.com/powerballdynabeeuitvinding.pdf

Ticker[edit]

Cowicide has suggested code that could be used to provide a ticker that cycles through the RSS feed stories. I'm not totally sure it is compatible, can you look at what's on the water cooler and pass an opinion? --Brian McNeil / talk 15:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Might Be Interested...[edit]

in this discussion. We'd love to hear your opinion on this.  Thunderhead  ►  07:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

New Image policy[edit]

Your comment on the page about the new image policy seemed fairly relaxed, but our contributors aren't. I think it would be worthwhile to participate in the discussion and actually impart some information about what may and may not be allowable. If you simply wait for a list of questions to be formed we will lose people who think the foundation does not value their contributions. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

see --Brian McNeil / talk 19:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I didn't leave over the image dispute. Granted it's utterly retarded, but I left because I have been bored with Wikinews for several months. I wanted to run off while I still could. 67.81.69.219 03:46, 31 March 2007 (UTC)`
Without getting too deeply involved, Messed?  Thunderhead  ►  04:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

The Wikinews:Image use policy/New wikimedia policy action plan/FAQ was quite seriously in error. I've corrected it somewhat. Please review it. Uncle G 23:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

You may be pushing here on something not so easily pushed[edit]

I wonder what Rickard Falkvinge would say. Meaning "here", you can have this this image, or text, or quote, or idea, but the The Pirate Bay cannot move forward with it without attribution to its originator. It's free, you can have it on your private little island, but will you attribute? Or maybe more to the point, would you expand with grace to the originator? Currently, the Internet lacks "grace". (I'm an example) -Edbrown05 09:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what you're getting at. Wikinews used to be in the public domain, but the lawyers told us that it's very hard to effectively dedicate anything into the PD. That's why we switched to CC-BY. All that is required is attribution to "Wikinews", not to the individual contributors.--Eloquence 10:00, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I think what I was trying to get at is more than I understand.

When I look at the article Seinfeld on HBO award: "Awards are stupid", I see an article with an image "gracefully" attributed to Alan Light. Where Alan Light is a person outside of the Wikimedia community accorded more rights than somone within the community.

Yet in this article, Virginia law bans mobile phone use by teen drivers, mostly written by me, attribution for the image seems not relevant. It seems to me not relevant because I am a member of of the Wikimedia community who has an appreciation that contributions are given with good faith to <whom?>, the community. So I get nothing back for that.

I admit that I targeted the report linked in the previous paragraph for something to say to you here and now. I don't pretend to have answers, and if you do, then you are a magician.

An image isn't what makes Wikipedia or Wikinews. Text does. Images make Commons, and there they have no concept that an image description can take the form of bloging, which is what I have done on the last three images I uploaded there: see the latest, unreverted, image description of Cell phone use while driving.

But even more to the point, giving credit to an image in an article is so much bullshit when the text comes harder, and is more creative; yet no credit is given to original text. I don't believe I know what I'm talking about! -Edbrown05 07:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it has something to do with the tune of FlickR gets more attribution than Wikinews contributors. If FlickR images are receiveing a so-called image credt, then why are not Wikinewsians recieving an article credit? Because they don't assert it? Dunno. -Edbrown05 07:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

EDP[edit]

Can you comment: User:DragonFire1024/Images to request for EDP. I relicensed all, but the listed images in that link, to CC 2.5 DragonFire1024 12:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad you relicensed most of your images. I'm not sure what it is you are trying to achieve with the rest of them. Why are you trying to keep those non-free? You say "very significant in terms of news at the time" -- which would be all the more reason to allow others to build upon them. As for the documents, the text itself appears to be copyrighted, so we can only use these under fair use. For these, it should indeed be fine to use an EDP (but not the CC-BY-ND -- just put a fair use tag on it).--Eloquence 14:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Thats not what the new policy says. Free use can be put into EDP if need be. Its does not state that the license cannot be CC ND. If I "just put a fair use" tag on it, then that tag is just as good as this one. DragonFire1024 20:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Also on EDP in FAQ: The resolution requires that the EDP be minimal, and not enable the use of non-free content where free content is a reasonable alternative. We must ensure that our Wikinews:Fair use policy is in line with that. There are no reasonable images to replace the ones listed in my EDP request. DragonFire1024 21:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Mark[edit]

Mark is still waiting to be "made up" after a successful RfA. --Brian McNeil / talk 16:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Video Wikinews[edit]

See: Wikinews:Video 2.0. DragonFire1024 00:47, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi... We have a G8 candidate[edit]

If you can drop by accreditation requests and give a considered opinion, it would be most welcome. We have someone who would like accreditation for the purpose of attending the G8. They need a signed letter - and I suspect the appropriate wording is (a) far beyond my legalese, (b) I cannot sign on behalf of the site, and (c) since I don't speak German I can't have a chat with the admins over on de.wikinews and make sure we're not trying to send a terrorist. (kidding Sean.)

I suppose this issue eventually had to come up with Wikinews. Press rules do sometimes give us headaches, and I'd really appreciate if you - and perhaps the board? - give the issue some consideration. If we're to cover events like the G8 we may need to go further than calling people freelance. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Just trying to think of ways to solve this... Sean would be a "community nominated representitive". How creative can we get and not actually say he represents the foundation? --Brian McNeil / talk 00:19, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
  • As an update, you are too late to comment on this. The wording of the letter that I (personally) issued to Sean is available via the accreditation page. I did so as a representative of our community, although it would have been better to have someone with the foundation who could also be considered part of our community.
I hope you'll join the rest of us in crossing our fingers that Sean actually gets admitted to the G8. Stranger things have happened. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:22, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Any kind of official accreditation by the WMF Board will need legal review, as it might alter the legal status of the WMF and confer additional liabilities. It might be sensible to set up a separate organization for this purpose.--Eloquence 07:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey[edit]

Good to see you Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 08:48, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Serious copyright infringment/"1 trick pony"[edit]

This site: Canada Now is copy and pasting Wikinews articles, without any attribution, and in fact are claiming all material as theirs. Since there close to about 10 or so articles all copied from Wikinews to there, I can only list a few:

Just a few that do not give Wikinews the slightest bit of credit...intentionally. You cannot e-mail anyone on the contact page because none of the e-mails are real. I tried. The form does not work, because you can put in the right code in as many times as you want or any code and no matter what, its invalid. DragonFire1024 12:02, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

To add to this, ECanadaNow.com is registered through DomainsByProxy and while they publish an MX record they are not running a SMTP server at all. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:07, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I've been going through the javascript on that page, i highly doubt the form does anything. It doesn't send any information on what CAPTCHA it is using (as far as i can tell), and on any non-error response, all it does is display the message from the server and change the captcha (to a random one, without changing any form values to reflect the new captcha). (which might be okay if the message was something like email succesfully sent, (nevermind, that is probably as it should be). Unless i missed something when reading it, I'm fairly certain the form is useless as the server wouldn't know what CAPTCHA you're recieveing. Perhaps we should post on their forms. Bawolff 05:37, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm taking a note of this and will forward it to our new legal counsel once he is officially hired.--Eloquence 07:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews Accedidation[edit]

Wikinews allows users to gain press credentials through a simple community vote, and allows users to keep the credentials, even when users have been inactive for over a year (although an Inactive Policy has been proposed). Do you feel that there needs to be a stricter policy as to who can get accredidation, and the activity of accredited users? Also, there has been some debate on Wikinews regarding Wikimedia Commons users requesting accredidation on Wikinews to take photos. Do you think Commons needs to set up a seperate accredidation process? Thunderhead 18:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

We also have consensus on asking the board to give Accredited members some sort of email address for Wikinews. See the Water Cooler. Thunderhead 01:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Let me comment on this briefly as well. I think that the need to give people email addresses for accreditation purposes is not very high: to the best of my knowledge there haven't been any denials of credentials based on lack of a professional email. Besides, Wikinews does not have enough stature yet to cause people to take note of Wikinews email addresses. Indeed, I think that if we start giving out email addresses to a particular class of users, without specific demonstrated need, we will end up creating a new privileged class: those with email addresses. This can easily cause a rush on people requesting accreditation solely for the email address. This is further enhanced by the fact that afaik no other individual Wikimedia projects give out email addresses to any users.
I think that if there is some case for email addresses, it is for demonstrable needs. For example, I had once applied for a grant for Wikinews and it would have been great to use the wikinews.org email address instead of my personal gmail address. Personally, I would recommend a system whereby a steward is allowed to create an email address on a project, given that the user desiring an address has to justify to a steward the need for the address, and that the project has an approved policy of community revocation of other users' addresses. -- IlyaHaykinson 04:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
You're wrong. You can reach me, for example, at stevenfruitsmaak AT wikipedia DOT be . This shouldn't be discussed here.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
An inactivity policy sounds reasonable, though I would suggest taking into account activity in Wikimedia in general. The goal should not be to punish users for not editing Wikinews, but to reduce the risk of bad faith action or account takeover. If a user has taken a break on Wikinews, even for a long time, but is still active on other projects in good standing, I see no reason why their accreditation should be revoked.
Regarding e-mail addresses and such, I am somewhat concerned about the WMF getting legally involved in the authorization of Wikinews reporters. It might be sensible to set up a separate, small organization to handle Wikinews accreditation issues. The WMF could then license the Wikinews mark to that organization for this purpose alone. But, I am sure our new Executive Director will have some interesting thoughts on this topic, as you will understand when their identity is revealed.--Eloquence 07:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Misinterpretation[edit]

FYI, I didn't say that you wanted Wikinews out, I thought Kate was a man because the picture doesn't look very feminine and River Tarnell didn't sound female to me. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks. I'd still like to understand what I'm saying that is so "abominable" though.--Eloquence 19:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
On reading your answers (here) now, they don't seem so abominable any more. Still, I think the communication with the Board is abominable. A mailing list is a horrible means of communication, and not everyone has access. I understand that many wiki's have irrelevant questions. We should really have a group of trusted volunteers who filter those questions, because I think some of the questions we have failed to get Board attention for are significant. Board members should also, imho, spend time listening to those hundreds of question, instead of being occupied with programming matters and such -we need managers, not software developers. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Usurp request[edit]

Hello, there. I've placed a username change request (more accurately, a request to usurp an existing, unused username) at Wikinews:Changing_username, and it is requested on that page that I also mention this on the talk page for each bureaucrat. Thank you, in advance, for your assistance.   user:justen    talk   07:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

You might notice in your history, the usurp was completed before I even finished posting on your page (and, as such, I was logged out between edits). So, thanks speedy bureaucrats.  :)   user:justen    talk   07:42, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

More copyright infringement[edit]

Hello Eloquence. I notice that you got involved in the copyright issue regarding eCanadaNow. The same type of thing is happening over at eOntarioNow. Could you look into the issue when you get a chance? Cheers, Jcart1534 00:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Is this still happening? The referenced page seems to be already down.--Eloquence 16:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

WN:AR[edit]

We have an accreditation request from someone from de.wikinews. Can you help with checking them out? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Inactivity[edit]

A number of people seem bothered by the inactive admin list. Enough so that they were going round & round making silly policy proposals. I resolved the station by rewriting their policy to essentially say "No one will hold it against you if you just rfda inactive people." This seems to have made them happy without unending fights over impossibly radical policy changes. So everybody wins. It's a bit of process over head in votes, but I don't think it's really consuming anyone's time, well unless that's what their into, so it's harmless. Anywho, enjoy man.  :) Nyarlathotep 01:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC) ps, Just a note, this would never have annoyed people if the list was formatted better (or ideally if the inactive admins were listed in some less obnoxious way).

Request[edit]

I have requested a user name change, at Wikinews:Changing username. Wilhelm 22:28, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

WikiBureau Germany[edit]

Would you like to join WikiBureau Germany? Kingjeff - (talk) 15:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Please rename me[edit]

Hi, I have changed my username at my homewiki and want to to it here to. Please rename me to Calandrella. Here is confirmation. Thanks, Leo Johannes (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Deadminship[edit]

Hallo, Eloquence, just thougth I'd let you know that there is currently a discussion at this permissions page on whether to remove your bureacrat and admin rights, please make a statement if you wish. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 21:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Bawolff also emailed me about this.
I think there's an important distinction between de-adminship for inactivity (which I've never found to be a good policy, but which seems to be an idea that tends to be adopted by wiki communities sooner or later in one form another), and de-adminship because of perceived conflict of interest alone. If Wikinews wants to adopt an inactivity policy and change my status on that basis, that's completely reasonable; I am unlikely to do any editing on Wikinews in the foreseeable future.
I think de-adminship because of a perceived conflict of interest due to employment with WMF is a problematic precedent. It does not prevent any actual intervention, while limiting the extent to which (some? all?) people employed by WMF can engage as volunteers, and does so unreasonably broadly. For a COI of this nature, an IMO much preferable course of action is to require volunteers to fully disclose their affiliations (be it WMF or otherwise), and potentially to limit their editing activity or use of advanced tools based on said affiliations. The community can then enforce such limitations as needed. In any event, whatever the policy ends up being, I hope it is documented and discussed, and applied consistently.
That's my take on it, anyway; I won't be able to get further involved in the discussion, but am interested in the outcome.--Eloquence (talk) 07:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Eloquence, don't know if you're still monitoring this page but thought I'd just give a heads-up, the vote closed as no consensus and your rights were retained. Tempodivalse [talk] 02:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

forgot to put notes[edit]

Dear Sir, I've just written an article in original reporting category http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Sita_Navmi_celebrated_at_Punaura_Dham,_Bihar

Now, as per the Wikinews policy, I wish to put notes on the discussions page. But I am unable to see any discussion page now after creating the article. Please help Sir. I would be grateful.

privs[edit]

Busy elsewhere? We understand, but this is a notice of privilege expiry!

Note! Your privileges on English Wikinews have been reduced.

Under the Privilege expiry policy (enacted October 13, 2012) the rights held by your user account have been reduced due to inactivity, or lack of privilege use. You can view your user rights log here.
Point 4 of the Privilege expiry policy provides for fast-tracking reacquisition of privileges. We all understand that real-life commitments can severely curtail the level of commitment you can give to Wikinews; the privilege reduction is in no way intended as a reflection on your past work, or to imply you are unwelcome. The aim in curtailing privileges is to address security risks, and concern that a long period of inactivity means you may not be up-to-date with current policy and practices.

--Pi zero (talk) 21:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Bureaucrat Flag[edit]

Here's the request for the removal of your bcrat flag over at Meta. --Skenmy talk 17:01, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikinews:Inactive Policy[edit]

Per the proposed inactive policy, yopur account has been nominated to have its privileges reduced. --

Being bothered by User:Pi zero[edit]

He is bothering me with rubbish each edit. He is never contributing. He deletes articles comments sites here, although the article is existing. Articles under development are clean up articles. I might not write about RB Leipzig. My started articles have interest and he says that other archived articles are which from amateur clubs, university clubs or something else. He wants to rename my name here and is not rename me. My articles are written after the style such as about other proven football match reports. He is psychic unable to name reasons. Please remove him from the board! He neither productive nor socially competent or educated, for a globally representative on public free sites. --Nikebrand (talk) 21:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Being bothered by User:Pi zero[edit]

He is bothering me with rubbish each edit. He is never contributing. He deletes articles comments sites here, although the article is existing. Articles under development are clean up articles. I might not write about RB Leipzig. My started articles have interest and he says that other archived articles are which from amateur clubs, university clubs or something else. He wants to rename my name here and is not rename me. My articles are written after the style such as about other proven football match reports. He is psychic unable to name reasons. Please remove him from the board! He neither productive nor socially competent or educated, for a globally representative on public free sites. --Nikebrand (talk) 21:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Privileges[edit]

Busy elsewhere? We understand, but this is a notice of privilege expiry!

Note! Your privileges on English Wikinews have been reduced.

Under the Privilege expiry policy (enacted October 13, 2012) the rights held by your user account have been reduced due to inactivity, or lack of privilege use. You can view your user rights log here.
Point 4 of the Privilege expiry policy provides for fast-tracking reacquisition of privileges. We all understand that real-life commitments can severely curtail the level of commitment you can give to Wikinews; the privilege reduction is in no way intended as a reflection on your past work, or to imply you are unwelcome. The aim in curtailing privileges is to address security risks, and concern that a long period of inactivity means you may not be up-to-date with current policy and practices.
Per this version of WN:RfP, you may review the public announcement of this change. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Main Page of Wikinews[edit]

Hello. By looking at the contributions, you created the Main Page of Wikinews at its first incarnation. I discussed with others redesigning the Main Page of Wikinews at Talk:Main Page. I invite you to discuss this matter there. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 15:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: Eloquence hasn't been involved here in... quite some time. Just pointing out. --Pi zero (talk) 16:56, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I know, but I noticed that he's semi-(in)active in other projects. --George Ho (talk) 17:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)