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From w:The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, widely known as the LDS Church or the Mormon Church..." I went with "Mormon Church" because this is a "widely known" name as well, and to use the entire "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is very very long in the headline of an article. I hope you do not mind if I move it back. Cirt (talk) 04:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your response. I respect your opinion, though I also respectfully disagree, as a perusal of similar types of news stories about this organization seems to hold that "Mormon Church", is used more frequently than "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Thanks for the polite response. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply



Thank you for taking the time to point out the transcription error in this article about Noam Chomsky. I had to listen to it several times before I was sure exactly what he said. Good ears;). Gopher65talk 23:13, 11 August 2011 (UTC)Reply

You're very and thank you Justin for reading my news. did you like it? Sara walker (talk) 01:30, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Tell a title of one of your news Justin Sara walker (talk) 01:31, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Sara walker: News stories I have written are on my user page. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:28, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Moving images to Commons


Hi. Just wanted to explain a bit why I rv'd your seemingly perfectly reasonable edit on the image. I don't particularly dispute the point about it being ineligible for copyright. The thing is, though, there's a long and tragic history of Commons dissing Wikinews by deleting stuff (with neither warning nor notification) we are using and cannot replace, but which we could almost always upload locally under fair use if we knew it was about to happen. There's probably... usually... no malice at all involved, either, but one can't help thinking if Commons cared to it could easily set up an infrastructure to check whether a pending deletion would cause problems for a sister project that allows local uploads, and either notify them or even automatically do a local upload with some sort of copyright-justification-needed-within-x-amount-of-time tag. The worst incident I've seen was a Wikinews article we published with an image that had been sitting happily on Commons for something like six or seven years, and then a little more than a day after we published our article, while it was the number one lead on our main page so that this image was the single most prominent image displayed on our entire site, Commons deleted it. The icing on the cake was, this was just after the article was more than 24 hours post-publication, so that our archive policy had kicked in (the reason we can't replace most images that get deleted out from under us). So, once we've uploaded something locally, we're not likely to voluntarily delete it in favor of moving to Commons, making ourselves more vulnerable to the mishap of Commons deletion. --Pi zero (talk) 14:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Okay But if it gets deleted there, you can undelete it here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Hm. An interesting thought, except that we don't know when an image we use here is deleted there. --Pi zero (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Files You could have a tracking category like Articles_with_missing_files. —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
There are about... I think it's around 450 articles in our archives with missing images. Two and a fraction percent of our entire archive. Only earlier this year I created a template {{missing image}} to try to at least neatify the articles involved. Small as Wikinews is, we need less stuff to keep track of, rather than more.
In the specific instance, though, I concede that if the image were ever deleted from Commons, sooner or later we would presumably notice and would then find it especially easy to fix. --Pi zero (talk) 20:32, 11 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Category:Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama


I hope this was an error here, I can't possibly see how anyone could argue the D.L. is not a Theologian. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)Reply



Was that edit at the user's request? It's hard to follow what's going on here, locally. The impression I get hunting around is that Sarah's position at the WMF is over, is that correct? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 14:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yes. Microchip08 (talk) 14:25, 14 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Blood Red Sandman I notified her on en.voy. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)Reply



I saw that you'd requested Reviewer status some time ago....doesn't look like much has happened re: that request. It seems you've done some cat'ing around here (thanks for that!!). Outside of that, have you done much else in term of proofreading etc.? I think (if I'm interpreting things properly) you are into Wikidata a bit (a project FAR BEYOND the scope of my expertise). --Bddpaux (talk) 22:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Bddpaux: You can see all of my WMF edits here, of course: Special:CentralAuth/Koavf. As you can see, I've been most active in sheer number of edits on en.wp, commons, data,, en.voy, and en.wikt. I've tried to do more on non-Wikipedia projects over the past two years and although I may not be as familiar with the norms at en.wn, I don't think reviewer is too much to ask considering my history here and elsewhere on WMF projects. If you do, that's fair. Alternately, if you have in mind some threshold I should cross, let me know. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:01, 5 February 2015 (UTC)Reply
That's cool and I'm with you there. But considering what I'd said in the comments section over on your request, the 'general' flow here goes: Newbie, Reporter, Accredited Reporter, Reviewer (aka 'Editor'), Administrator (and a few beyond that -- but those cross into inter-wiki roles). Now, what I just said is not canonical by any means! But reviewers spend a lot of time here reading, re-reading, proof'ing and taking action on article submissions (again, functioning as a news editor). It's not a glory-filled job...I can assure you!! I have no questions about your roles/contributions across the span of WMF, but 'Reviewer' means something REAL SPECIFIC here in these parts. So, if you REALLY WANT to, you're welcome to lurk here for a while, doing some plain-old copy edits and what-not (user Pi Zero has even taken action to make a lot of those mundane things a bit easier of-late). From there, we'll see where things can go. If others think your congealed meta-role qualifies you to be a reviewer here, then I'm willing to listen, but as user Blood Red Sandman pointed out, taking that route worked out badly in the past. We've seen (in the past) that users who come here, puffed up, looking for some badge-of-honor before proving themselves tend to create more problems than they fix and then run away mad. (I'm not accusing you of being one of those people, heck, I don't know you); but God's-honest humility is the order-of-the-day around here if things are to succeed. --Bddpaux (talk) 17:02, 5 February 2015 (UTC)Reply
Not sure I'd go quite as far as to say it's normal to get Accredited Reporter before Reviewer, but it's certainly known. Accredited Reporter is based entirely on trust, so a user with little track record on Wikinews can get it if they're trusted by the community (although it's most common for users to do some writing first, then apply). For reviewer, it's not as high-trust. Trust is an element, of course, but reviewer is about competence with Wikinews policies and processes. I'm not aware of any other priv on any wiki where competence is required to be demonstrated in quite the way it is for reviewer. Write a couple of articles a week for, say, a month and the community will likely be tripping over itself to hand you reviewer. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 19:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Some difficulties; see review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 23:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

Published. Had difficulties, discussed in review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: Thanks. I'm getting used to news writing and this is helpful. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)Reply



Am I correct that you're admin for this list? --Pi zero (talk) 21:01, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Pi zero: Yes, I am one of two but I believe the other person has never actually been active in a year or so and I've been inactive for about two months. —Justin (koavf)TCM 21:15, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
Is it by any chance moderated? It's one of the places I send notices about en.wn ArbCom elections, but I suspect they never appear on the list. I sent one — now irrelevant — eight days ago, a real-time update on the state of nominations (which closed about 90 minutes ago), and the list informed me that it had received the message, but it looks to me as if the message never actually got sent to the list. I'd like to send a notice there when voting opens late tomorrow... if it's going to reach the list. --Pi zero (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
Sorry. I can check the archives and start moderating it more aggressively. The problem is that my computer literally snapped in half several weeks ago and I still haven't gotten a new one. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:49, 18 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: Wow. I literally hadn't deleted my filter for a minute before I got spam. It gets several hundred messages a day. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:53, 18 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
I can't decide whether I'm more impressed by "several hundred messages a day" or "literally snapped in half". Thanks. I'll plan to send my next notice to the list tomorrow. --Pi zero (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: Best to message me once you do. By the way, you have mail--not sure if you've seen it yet. —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:16, 18 July 2017 (UTC)Reply

Koreas hold joint training session for Olympics


I don't think I can make use of {{reviewing}} for the article, but that is what I am doing. I would not call it {{editing}} since I am not adding any information to it. If something needs to be changed, consider pinging me on IRC. I almost had an ec.
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@Acagastya: We used "selected" in earlier stories: it's a selection, not an election. As far as all the blue links, maybe just the word "bombed". Thoughts? @Pi zero:--is this passable? —Justin (koavf)TCM 07:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)Reply
it was a note for self. So that I do not forget to check. I am still reviewing it. Let me finish it.
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Julian Assange's appeal against lifting the arrest warrant was denied by UK court -- and I would not be able to write about it -- it is going to lose its freshness. Would you like to write about it?
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@Acagastya: In short, yes but I don't have time. :/ I'm trying to write something about the Olympics opening ceremony. Thanks for the request--please keep me in mind for future stories. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:28, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
oh there are tonnes of articles I wish someone could write because right now, there are five on the to-do list. Is there a way we could discuss about what to write? Any IMs? Telegram? Ping me on Telegram if you use it; my username is @acagastya [though I noticed @koavf isn’t registered] (talk) 03:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Acagastya: (this *is* you?) I'm not familiar with Telegram--usually if you want to talk off-wiki, I use email and that has an associated IM name. It's totally fine to send me an SMS, too. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:40, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
emails aren’t the best IMs. SMS from India to the US, that would be difficult, too. Well, I think you should try Telegram (it works on any platform, Android, iOS, Linux, macOS, Windows, and in browsers) and you would not even have to share your contact number to people for messaging.
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@Acagastya: Oh, but I do have an IM account thru Gmail: justinkoavf. I can IM you that way. —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:51, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

are you talking about Google Talk? (FWIW, I hardly use anything that is owned by Google, except for YouTube services, due to Google’s privacy policy and their love of selling our information) (By the way, the url is
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@Acagastya: That is correct. And yes, I have scaled back on using everything Google other than Gmail--unfortunately, one's email address is pretty fundamental. Let me take a look and get back with you. Unfortunately, I'm in the middle of an obit here now and I have so many other things going on outside of Wikinews and other wikis. :/ Do you want to set up a time to talk? That will force me to set aside time for us to collaborate. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:08, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
No, we can chat while editing too. But currently, I need to leave for college. And the reviewers from UTC - zones should be sleeping so I need to write articles before they wake up. :-S
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We do not use “”. Instead, we use the plain ones "".
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We try, anyway. (Modern software that "thinks" it knows better than we do can be really annoying, can't it? :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 13:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
in iOS 10, the key displayed '”' but by default, it printed '"'. In iOS 11, it shows and prints '”'. And that is really annoying.
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@Acagastya, Pi zero: [citation needed]. We should use typographic quotes, since they are correct. —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:32, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Korean military parade


I don't know what is "newsworthy" in that story the way MSM is portraying it, but are you planning to write about it? If so, I suggest you to do it asap.
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@Acagastya: I won't have a separate story, just a story on the opening of the Olympics that mentions that. I don't have time for separate ones. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:33, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Alas, when I got to the end of the review, I couldn't remember all the thing I'd thought of during the review. (This is something I want a semi-automated review assistant to help with: keeping track, through a review, of notes on what to say at the end.) At any rate, I do try to split my edits during a review into small units that provide a meaningful diff and can be given a reasonably coherent edit summary; and if asked about a particular edit during the review, I can probably look at it and remember what it was about to provide a better explanation. --Pi zero (talk) 02:33, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Pi zero: Hey sorry, what is this in regards to again...? Are you apologizing for something or something? —Justin (koavf)TCM 06:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
It is pizero's habit to explain (and thus, documenting what should be done in a particular situation) what they edited. Like for example, in one edit, they take care of WN:FUTURE, they would explain in the edit summary -- that is how their review takes place so the authors can learn what to do and what not to do -- and when I was copyediting, I noticed the tone was not acceptable, I don't know if it is a NPOV problem or style problem (example, "Barlow is survived [...] loved ones across the world.") which is one of the things that should have been mentioned in the review comments, pizero and I, we both agree. What pizero means to say is, there were other things they wanted to point out in comments, but might have missed -- because it was a long review.
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The "So-and-so is survived by" is a stock phrase, of course. But... yeah, there was something a bit off about some phrases. I'm not sure how to sum it all up, but it may be discernible in the individual edits. --Pi zero (talk) 12:01, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: I think I see why you're posting, thanks. All your edit summaries made sense and I don't in principle disagree with any of your edits. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:12, 10 February 2018 (UTC)Reply



Seems you are technically advanced and open minded. I would like to have a 15 minutes talk about how you read and write news and ask for your guidance about a few things. What talking platform would you prefer? We could use IRC text chat (my nick 'Sveta') or another place for audio chat, whatever you are more comfortable with. Gryllidamsg/chat 21:26, 7 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: Thanks for writing. I am very flexible on that--even the phone is fine with me. Tell me what method and give me two or three ranges of time. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Let's start with IRC (#wikinews channel) for simplicity. Does 19:00-20:00UTC work for you? If not, I can try to do a time between 22:00UTC and 06:00UTC, you choose (subject to availability - have several adhoc meetings this week). --Gryllidamsg/chat 03:19, 8 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Gryllida: Sorry this is taking so long. :/ Would a phone call work for you? Or IMing? —Justin (koavf)TCM 03:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Either option would work equally well. It is just that I am in Australia and international calls can be expensive so I would rather try IRC chat first. Another option is online audio chat via for example SIP or Jitsi or a standard HTML5 audio chat app but for me it is difficult because I do not have a smartphone to do such calls from and none of my desktops are in a good place or time to have a conversation. --Gryllida (chat) 03:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Gryllida: Okay, please choose a time Over the next 48 hours and I'll make it. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Now (for the next hour), or Sydney this Saturday morning 6AM (again one hour). Failing that, the same time on any weekday (again in Sydney). --Gryllida (chat) 01:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Gryllida: Signing on now... —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
I see you, but not any messages from you (as of yet). In the text box at the bottom type hi and press enter, or use another webchat ([1]). --Gryllida (chat) 02:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
I have a couple of messages that I've sent at I'll try —Justin (koavf)TCM 02:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
Cool, thanks. :-) --Gryllida (chat) 05:36, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply
@Gryllida: I am signed on again--the friend who need a ride last nite needed more than just a ride. I'm not paying close attention to IRC so ping me there or post to my talk here to ensure that I see you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

I guess a next step is a meeting at 9PM Sydney time today, or Wednesday morning 6AM Sydney time. If you like, prepare a story that you find interesting to write about. Otherwise I can pick one and we could walk through writing that. I think we may need approximately 30 minutes to begin with. --Gryllida (chat) 08:20, 13 October 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: I'm signed on now--same situation where I'm not actively paying attention but a ping here or a direct message on IRC will probably get my attention (the latter makes a noise, so that helps). It looks like 21:00 in Sydney is in about 3.5 hours--I will just stay on IRC thru then. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)Reply



why did u delete i m trying to help get a news article published. Baozon90 (talk) 22:42, 22 September 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Baozon90: You posted the same thing on both Wikinews:Requested articles (where it belongs) and Wikinews talk:Requested articles (which is only used for discussing the requested articles page) and I only removed it from one of those two places. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:53, 22 September 2019 (UTC)Reply



2601:647:6516:39B3:BC54:57DD:AC53:FD7D (talk) 22:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply

Starwars is NO MORE

Oh, okay. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)Reply



You haven't submitted an article in a bit? You've done some interesting work here.--Bddpaux (talk) 16:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I have three exclusive interviews that I wanted to publish at times that made sense and a fourth one lined up. I prefer to do original reporting otherwise, I sometimes will do some of the "I read other news sources and summarized them, but it's mostly a matter of there only being 24 hours in a day and my attention going elsewhere. :/ —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply