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Forbes (paywall?)

Please check this link: http://www.forbes.com/sites/briansolomon/2016/07/25/yahoo-sells-to-verizon-for-5-billion-marissa-mayer/#107452b071b4<be>Let me know if it is accessible. By the way, Forbes's website is a bit notorious. Need to try thrice to access the content.
acagastya 11:24, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Accessible, afaict atm. --Pi zero (talk) 11:57, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for informing. Well, quiz to be uploaded today. (Lot of sports article this week :(
acagastya 12:41, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

From Buenos Aires to France: Week of July 30 to August 5 in photos

Hi... From roughly 2005 to 2010, people would regularly do "News briefs", short blurbs summarizing the day's stories on Wikinews. I was wondering if rather than summarizing other articles, whether a weekly photo feature might be of interest. Basically, I've been searching Wikimedia Commons categories like "Photographs taken on 2016-08-01" and the recent changes for new categories with 2016 in the title, and figuring out what is newsish. What are your thoughts on the format? -- Zanimum (talk) 22:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

(Should I pitch it on the Water cooler? Do people look there, to get a wider audience? -- Zanimum (talk) 22:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC))

@Zanimum: Some thoughts.
  • I don't think a collection of pictures accumulated on Commons is a news article. It sounds like something Commons could do if they wished, but not our place; there's no focus, which makes it not a news article per se, and as a collection its unifying characteristic is, as noted, Commons-related rather than news related. So it seems to me.
  • We had a user here a while back who found they just weren't good at synthesis, and so they (very intelligently, thinking back) looked for some other form they'd be good at. They eventually found they could do interviews rather well, and as I recall at least one of their articles reached Featured status; but in the meantime, they experimented with photo essays, and after some unpleasant experiences we devised some additional constraints on how photo essays should be done — I've a feeling the additional constraints may not have been dwelt on long enough to get written into the guidelines, but I think part of it was that the photos in a photo essay should be taken by the author (or maybe that's not quite it, but very like).
  • As best I've understood, news briefs were summaries of other things published; shorts were collections of small items. We've dabbled in shorts from time to time over the last few years but found they don't fit well with our modern review workflow; basically, a collection of shorts takes substantially as much effort to write and to review as a collection of articles on the individual stories, and if something goes wrong it can hold up the whole set which makes it cumbersome to tie them together.
  • We do discuss things on the water cooler, yes; but, lately, most of the time there simply aren't that many folks around. Blood Red Sandman, brianmc, and I are the veterans most often around (how the heck did I become an "oldtimer"?), and atm BRS hasn't been around for some months and brianmc doesn't come around often.
  • In the big picture: I have a plan for growing Wikinews, which is broadly described at User:Pi zero/essays/vision/sisters (I plan a companion essay specifically about Wikinews, but haven't got it written yet). I've been working for a good four years now on dialog tools, and am now slowly easing into the next phase of the operation which is semi-automated assistants; it's time for me to start integrating context-sensitive assistance into all pages, which should eventually lead to interactive meta-assistance (interactive assistance for building/maintaining interactive assistants). And meanwhile I keep the review queue moving (which is obviously necessary to the tool development but also slows it down).
--Pi zero (talk) 13:40, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
@Zanimum: I do see the article you've been working on appears to be really shorts; but they're shorts getting increasingly old, which isn't how we've usually done shorts unless there's something to tie them together: each short would get judged for freshness on its own merits, which is not the concept you've been working on. So I see you've got a different concept again, something halfway between a traditional shorts collection and a Commons-driven thing. I'm in doubt; it doesn't quite grab me, as a concept, but I find myself wishing BRS or somebody were around atm to see what they think of it. --Pi zero (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Quiz Publication

Week 32 quiz is ready. But how do I submit it for review each week. I don't think pinging is a good idea.
acagastya 14:06, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

  • By the way, can the user pages be biased like the one here User:ISLAMIST HILLARY CLINTON. The content is offensive, of course not neutral. Plus, is the username acceptable?
    acagastya 14:10, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Paul Pogba

The article is not lengthy and it would not consume much time. If you have an hour free just before the day changes per the UTC, please consider this article.
acagastya 18:57, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Noted. --Pi zero (talk) 19:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
No worries if you don't want a sports article for today. I don't feel I have right to ask for a priority review, showing up after so many days. (Got relocated since I changed the college and didn't have internet connection. Don't know when we will have Wi-Fi connection). I feel bad about losing Michael Phelps's nineteenth gold). By the way, hi!
acagastya 19:55, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Alas, verification problems. --Pi zero (talk) 23:35, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
Ah. It was the Juventus source. Enough. From the next time, of I am not using {{translated quote}}, I am not listing non English sources for transfers.
acagastya 03:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Croatian Wikinews (Wijesti)

Dear Pi zero, I saw that you're a bureaucrat on the english wikinews and I hope that you can help me. The URL of all Wikinews is xx.wikinews.org, but the URL of the croatian wikinews is incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wn/hr/Glavna_stranica why is it like that and how can I fix this? MateoKatanaCRO (talk) 14:03, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

@MateoKatanaCRO: A proposed project is first set up on the incubator, and if it demonstrates enough activity it can then apply to be upgraded to a standalone project. That url means Croatian Wikinews is still on the incubator. A place to start reading about the incubator, and how to get a project out of it, is the Meta page Incubator. Hope that helps. --Pi zero (talk) 14:50, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Broken button???

Just reviewed a story (car racer dies) and tried to push it out to mains.......but it isn't showing up. What gives? --Bddpaux (talk) 22:21, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: Do you mean, the review tab doesn't appear? Try reloading the page. If, after the page is completely finished loading and you give it another second or two, the review tab still doesn't appear, try reloading it again. I'm not sure if I've ever had to do that more than twice, but it's definitely getting worse. The javascript for the whole site has been on the fritz for, I think, months now. The devs have been talking for months now about how javascript needs to be updated because some deprecated features will stop working later this year, but when asked point-blank what those features are, so far we've gotten no answer. The one thing that works reliably is my dialog tools, which are — to use a very old phrase — built like a brick shithouse. I've long hoped I could replace the review tool with something based on my dialog tools before it breaks entirely; well, evidently I need to make that soon. --Pi zero (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Nuking the pages

Have a look at the contributions. Need to nuke the pages and block the editor.
acagastya 00:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Other way around: block first, and then nuke; otherwise, it's possible they could create more spam after the nuke and before the block. --Pi zero (talk) 00:23, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
By the way, what is the URL of nuking pages of an editor, let us say User:Example?
acagastya 00:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
For User:Example~enwikinews (which was deliberately created as User:Example long ago to prevent that username from being used, and then renamed during the recent braindead accounts unification process), Special:Nuke/Example~enwikinews (parallel to Special:Contributions/Example~enwikinews). --Pi zero (talk) 01:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
By the way, who cane up with Did last week go by in a blur, or do you remember your current affairs? Take the World News Quiz!?
acagastya 02:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Looking at the sitenotice history, it's hard to be absolutely certain but looks like it started here. --Pi zero (talk) 12:04, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Malfunction

I think there is a problem with the Special:BrokenRedirects page. I tagged some pages for deletion, but it seems that the redirects aren't broken, as they show links to existent pages. --Queen Laura (talk) 01:12, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Never mind. I think it was just a mistake on my part, the page is not malfunctioning. --Queen Laura (talk) 01:15, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Those special pages sometimes behave bizarrely due to lagging internal cache updates (so it seems). --Pi zero (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Podolski

The structure is similar to Bastian Schweinsteiger's retirement news article. I hope we get it today. I am sorry fort not uploading the quiz. Was busy and I lost track of time. (What an I supposed to do?)
acagastya 18:47, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

I've demonstrated for several days straight now that I can't leave William Saturn's article to the end of the day and then do a bit of work on it, so I determined to spend the afternoon on it — and I've managed to not get to it for the past three solid hours. I want to spend at least an hour or two on it now before I tackle other things. I might get to yours before midnight UTC; no idea atm. --Pi zero (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

The headline says fotball, FYI. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC) Zanimum (talk) 00:46, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

(Aw, crap.) Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 01:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
By the way, is a football match report fresh today, of it was completed on August 14, CEST?
acagastya 12:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Problematic, because there are other articles that would likely get higher review priority so it wouldn't get processed in time. In theory, if it did get reviewed before midnight UTC, it might be considered fresh if there weren't any special consideration that would make it stale. --Pi zero (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
No harm in trying. If I manage to finish my assignments, I will submit the article. I won't make it lengthy. Let's see. But I don't have my laptop to speed up.
acagastya 12:42, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

"Page Tag Bot"

That's fake, and not actually a bot (I have seen it on other wikis). Computer Fizz (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Interesting. --Pi zero (talk) 02:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
I technically don't know this for sure, but given that it made three edits on two wikis at about a human's speed, it's safe to say this.
Also, can you explain to me what Wikinews is? I mean it's obvious a news site of some sort but how's it different? Computer Fizz (talk) 20:53, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Nuke

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Nuke/50.109.156.96
acagastya 13:38, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Nuked. --Pi zero (talk) 13:50, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't think placing a nuke message all time is a good idea. How about creating a template called Admin action, which displays this message? I will create in my userspace to try it. Thoughts?
acagastya 19:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand. If I update User:Acagastya/Admin actions; the template on my talk would not update though I haven't substituted it. Does it needs o be purged? (tried but didn't work)
122.167.13.145 (talk) 13:36, 21 August 2016 (UTC) (Yup, acagastya)
So, if I'm understanding rightly, you modified the transcluded page, and the transcluding page didn't update. This is usual. You need to purge the transcluding page. I purged the talk page myself, just now. Historically (and in this case), the way I've done that is using the UTC real-time clock gadget, but, one, you can't use an optional gadget if you aren't logged in, and two, all the gadgets are on the fritz for the past few months thanks to the devs (and it's only expected to get worse; I have some things in mind that might help at least to containerize that, if I ever have time to try them (wouldn't prevent any given gadget from failing, but might prevent them from killing javascript entirely). --Pi zero (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
Will it be resolved of we add a purge button, just like one next to the latest news section on the main page? (BTW, I had tried by IP as well as my account, but didn't work)
122.167.13.145 (talk) 15:33, 21 August 2016 (UTC) (yes, acagastya)
That should work, although I've noticed the current problems with javascript cause those buttons to work more clumsily than they ought. --Pi zero (talk) 16:05, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

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Nuke https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Nuke/Sawwmather.
171.48.17.211 (talk) 14:06, 24 August 2016 (UTC) (yup, acagastya)

It seems that infobox is working properly. Is it because of DPL?
acagastya 12:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
Nuke https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Special:Nuke/Vebhav2k4 after blocking the user.
acagastya 19:59, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Jasper Cillessen

Luckily, I have enough time to complete the article today. It won't be lengthy. But I need help. I can't see the title of the Instagram page which is not visible in the mobile application of Instagram and Mozilla Firefox. Please add it.
acagastya 12:17, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking weather to merge Claudio Bravo's article but considering they are not the two sides of a coin and instead, three vertices of the triangle, I have arrived to the conclusion that it would be better if they are separate.
acagastya 15:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

The Monday afternoon meeting Moskovisi with Greek economic team

Hi!because I have nothing to say. If you think he may not remain deleted . One question , what do you mean that we do not have the gift of prophecy, to know with certainty what will happen in the future? Who said accurately ? So says the ministry and sources .--Βικιδημοσιογράφος (talk) 15:40, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

@Βικιδημοσιογράφος: We don't know what is going to happen in the future. We can know that someone has said they plan for something to happen, but we can't know whether things will actually turn out that way. Lots of things, large and small, might keep things from happening the way they were planned to happen. Somebody might get a head cold, and be unable to attend that day; then they might reschedule, or might send someone else in their place. An asteroid might strike the Earth on Sunday. So we are careful not to say definitely that something planned is definitely going to happen.

I do hope you'll be able to write more later. (Perhaps after the meeting on Monday?) --Pi zero (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

You're right. You and humor ! LOL! Asteroid , meteorite . It can be done and the Second Coming . Nobody knows.Until Monday what I can do?--Wikijournalist (talk) 18:19, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

@Βικιδημοσιογράφος: A planned meeting can also be interrupted by things of medium size, like an airline workers strike that prevents someone from attending. A head cold for one of the principals is an especially small reason for plans to be altered; I might have read about a case like that once, I think involving Turkey. I think it was Turkey because we had only a mention of it in a source written in Turkish, and an automatic translator so badly garbled it — as usual — that it came out as something about decapitating someone (not even decapitating the person who was sick, I think). Well, that's an example of why we don't put much trust in automatic translators.

It is sometimes possible to write a news article about somebody announcing something, to be published before the announced thing happens. The act of announcing the thing becomes the focal event. Many of our sports-player trading articles are like that: such-and-such team announced on Friday they have signed such-and-such player. The actually signing might not happen on Friday; it might happen later, after medical tests, or it might have happened earlier in the week and was was only announced on Friday. One difficulty with an article like that is, the announcement itself has to be, in itself, a newsworthy event; not all announcements are important enough to matter. --Pi zero (talk) 13:12, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Indeed . Can someone die ( example , not the wish ) . Do whatever you want.--Wikijournalist (talk) 13:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Yup. I hesitated to mention that one, because it's plausible and sad. --Pi zero (talk) 13:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Ok. Monday if done then we write in more detail . And imagine that it will pass. I will look and English source.--Wikijournalist (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Sirigu

Just to remind you, it is the last day for the article and two or of the sources are in Spanish.
acagastya 17:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I was aware of the freshness concern; don't know how it's going to play out, though I thought I might review that one next. I've been trying to alternate those articles with others, which has been frustrating because many of the other articles don't work out. I'd really hoped to publish that burkini article, for example. --Pi zero (talk) 18:24, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
I feel handicapped without my laptop. And the slow internet connection adds to the misery. But, UoW is keeping you busy, it seems. By the way, how is the development of dialog tools going on?
acagastya 18:30, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Except for some thinking as I drift off to sleep at night and the like, it's not moving atm. I need to either find a way to fit it in despite the review load, or wait till the semester is over. --Pi zero (talk) 19:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

You know....for what's it worth.......

I hope I didn't come across as TOTALLY attacking this person, because that wasn't my intention, I promise. Heck, imagine what someone would've thought about an MRI machine 200 years ago!? So, I'm open to the .01% chance that 'The Government' can shoot thoughts into our brains! The thing that never ceases to fascinate me is that you'll rarely meet a person who is TOTALLY delusional (although we often use that term in general chit-chat). When you work in mental health, you really do encounter people who are so darned smart, that you ALMOST begin to fall into their delusional belief....they can just seem so convincing sometimes! If I were a betting man, he'll probably wither away into the ether. However, if he has some credible NEWS, I'll be glad to take a look at it! --Bddpaux (talk) 14:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: I thought you did quite well. My main concern is not the probability of the story being real (I think .01% is exaggerated, but it'll do as a poetic characterization), but rather for the author (and, of course, for Wikinews's neutrality, which cuts both ways since we've got that thing sitting on our site atm). In the grand scheme of things, a crucial function of Wikinews is in helping people — both writers and readers — to become good information consumers, thinking critically about where information comes from. Looked at that way, if an author comes along who appears to be not thinking about how to objectively vet claims, clearly we'd like to help them think about that. (In this case, not only is there indirect-though-compelling evidence they aren't thinking about the plausibility of the story they're reporting, but also more direct evidence they aren't thinking about why we should believe them.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:01, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Copyediting (?)

Hello,

Would you mind copyediting (is this the right word?) Hong Kong set for legislative election tomorrow amid multiple controversies as well, similar to Candidates suspend campaigns as Hong Kong legislative election approaches? I am new to wikinews, and I saw the work you've done the article I wrote, which made it much smoother to read. (also English isn't my mother tongue, so there's that) --Emphrase (talk) 13:32, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

@Emphrase: My edits to that article were really the first steps of reviewing it (review is described in the first pillar at WN:PILLARS); ordinarily I'd have marked the article {{under review}} when I started, except I'm not quite fully into it yet (still taking care of some morning chores irl, here). My Wikinews attention right now is on the one article, so I don't really want to shift over to the other article. Our biggest limitation here is limited review capacity; lately I've been doing almost all the review, and on average I'm lucky to do two full reviews in a day. (Yes, there's a plan to address that problem in the long term, but it really is long term.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:43, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. --Emphrase (talk) 13:45, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Joe Hart

I am planning to submit David Luiz/Samir Nasri's article after some hours which is on its third day of the freshness. So is Joe Hart's article. But Joe Hart's story completes the triangle of Bravo, Cilessen and Hart's move. I hope we do not miss it.
acagastya 15:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I'm having trouble kick-starting myself into review mode, and there are these Hong Kong articles. So, I really don't know how things will go. --Pi zero (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

If we have some time today...

The summer transfer window closed on Tuesday and I feel we did well. There were many transfers we could not cover, but with one author and one reviewer, we did push the limits. I am really thankful for reviewing the recent transfers. I had never expected so many important transfers to take place in the last few days. So, should we add the catogery of '2016 summer transfer window'? I will create the list. Let me know if you have some time for the editprotected requests apart. At the moment, there is only one article waiting in the queue, though.
acagastya 13:08, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

at a BC provincial press release

Want notes? - Amgine | t 17:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC) Amgine | t 17:53, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Okay, it was a new education policy requiring all schools, public and private, to write and implement an anti -bullying policy to include sexual orientation and gender identity and expression. This follows on to the provincial liberal government's amendment to the human rights code recently to explicitly include gender and expression. BC is in an election year; the liberals (conservative) have held the legislative Assembly since the 90s, and have suddenly in the past few months begun addressing popular issues. Yesterday an Angus Reid national poll showed more than 80% of the population feel trans people should be accepted and protected.

I have the official release, about 30 boring photos, and I hope I have audio of most of the question session.

E-mail

Hello, Pi zero. Just wanted to let you know that I have sent you a non-wikinews related email.
acagastya 12:23, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

I might have sentit multiple times. The browser I was using didn't give an 'email sent' message.
acagastya 12:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I don't see anything from you in my inbox. --Pi zero (talk) 12:37, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Javascript on the site is now almost completely broken, btw. If you want things like email to work, reload the page until javascript loads correctly (this affects ordinary things like the "submit for review button" and images being arranged into galleries; it's not entirely the devs' fault as they've been given fundamentally bad directives from the Foundation about what they should be doing). --Pi zero (talk) 12:40, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Now I've got it in my inbox. --Pi zero (talk) 12:44, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
I doubt it was the fault of the website for this problem. I used my roommate's phone which had UC Browser (probably a Mini) which often has this error. But it worked fine for Firefox.
acagastya 13:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Kaveri dispute turns violent

Today, in Bangalore, Tamil Nadu vehicles were vandalised and in Tamil Nadu, a Kannada driver was beaten up. I am trying to find a focal point to write the next point of the story. But yes Section 144 has been called in Bangalore and students in Mysore were asked to be cautious on the road.
acagastya 12:33, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I hope I got the focal point correctly. Unfortunately, I don't have any photos for publication.
acagastya 19:30, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: I am sorry I'm not moving faster on your article; I take the situation there very seriously and would like to respond faster. Truthfully I've been coping with mild illness for several days. I working on it, though; moving slowly, but moving. --Pi zero (talk) 23:10, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Take your time. I had trouble finding a focal point as I didn't expect the drastic change in the scenario between the states. I was happy about having an original report, but there delay was from my side. I submitted the article at 1:40 AM IST which is less than four hours before UTC clock strikes twelve. Not many articles were developed in the last two-three days, but this is fine. I went to the city today. There was no sign of vandalism, strike or blocks. Bangalore is in a bad situation. But Mysore seems to be okay. But take care of your health. One day delay for the article will not be a problem, but health first.
acagastya 06:10, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
For a while, there were four Original Reports! First time for me. Was this common in the older days?
acagastya 04:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
The Seattle ice cube article, though technically not OR, is almost OR since the six images of the event were taken on the spot by an accredited Wikinews reporter. So for a while there were, you might say, four and a half.

The only other times I recall something like this were when Laura Hale was covering some major sports event (especially the London Paralympics). Looking at Category:Original reporting, it seems there was quite a bit of it going on around the time I arrived, but I suppose I wasn't yet tuned into the project well enough to be aware of it. --Pi zero (talk) 11:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

It is great! It feels good to have original report published. But, these days, I don't have access to internet. I ask my bench mates to let me check the recent changes. I would not be constantly writing articles, at least for a fortnight - only exception is some news event I really want to share. I have to remember, I need to move out from writing only sports article. But yes, I check what is going on each day. (But I don't login often, so I would not see if somebody pinged me)
acagastya 15:33, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Please don't delete other peoples' comments unless you have good reason to do so.

Warning! Please refrain from removing comments on Wikinews. Your edit has been reverted. You should not be removing other peoples' comments unless you have a very good reason to do so. And saying "I disagree with it" or "you have been constantly disruptive on other wikis", for example, are not good reasons. But you didn't provide any reasons. I was commenting on the use of 'it should be noted', I know this isn't an encyclopedia. But I don't think news articles should highlight things as interesting or important to note either. I believe in neutral point of view, verification and reliability. But please be civil, polite and helpful, and don't be a jerk. Thank you. Turkeybutt JC (talk) 13:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC):
Oh, so that's what your revision was for. From the diffs I thought you deleted it. But I can't find my post in the article's collaboration page. Where is my post? --Turkeybutt JC (talk) 14:16, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Turkeybutt JC: I put it in a thread on the comments page. You're probably right that it should have been on the collaboration page, but, the comments page isn't an entirely unreasonable place for it. Comments:Apple concerned with iPhone icons' alleged misuse. (Does that display properly for you?) --Pi zero (talk) 14:22, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
I stand corrected. --Turkeybutt JC (talk) 14:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
NP. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:51, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank You for Publishing

Thank You for Publishing 'Scientists claim decrease in hotness of Bhut Jolokia' . Inspired by this first accepted news of mine, I hope to contribute further for this noble project! IKHazarika (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

RE:Obama creates first marine national monument in Atlantic Ocean

Hi, it does appear that the article was replaced with another. I was a little surprised because in Spanish VOA does not do that and the English version will change the entire context of the article. Well, it is not my English, it is this, it is better not to write in my own words and a bad English or good English from these agencies, anyway. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 00:00, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Video on YouTube for Original Report

I am uploading a video on YouTube for original report, but the video size is 1.3 gigabytes. Though i would list the details on the talk page of the article, please listen to the audio of the video. (Else we would waste lot of internet data). I will share the link as soon as the upload finishes.
acagastya 11:51, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Please listen to the audio of [1]. It is no more than 16 MB on convert2mp3.net
The spam filter sucks.
acagastya 14:07, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
I'm able to listen to it, apparently. --Pi zero (talk) 15:28, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

We do not remove iw's that are also on wikidata

Why? Why is it worth having all the links duplicated—except German, which was connected after “migrating” to Wikidata? Why don’t you just enjoy that you don’t have to maintain interlanguage links? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 17:59, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

We discussed this as a community at en.wn. Short version: Controlling interwikis from a central location is a bad idea that does corrosive long-term damage to the entire sisterhood (damage includes reduced interwiki connectivity, and disempowering and psychologically discouraging local sister projects and local users).

(In the long run, I do think it's possible to set up an infrastructure that makes beneficial use of wikidata, with primary local control, maximizing interwiki-linkage quality and promoting local control, local morale, and even wikidata quality.) --Pi zero (talk) 19:27, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: I could go into detail on various of those points, if you like; it just didn't seem right to go into lots of detail that might not be wanted. --Pi zero (talk) 19:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I don’t see your point, but I will simply ignore enwiktionary as an editor—there are many other wikis to improve, which accept Wikidata. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 20:56, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
@Tacsipacsi: This is English Wikinews, rather than English Wiktionary. --Pi zero (talk) 21:12, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Indonesian authorities investigate after pornographic film screened on billboard in Jakarta

Just checking in, how is this article I did? Is there anything that needs to be edited before it can be published? (Iuio (talk) 01:37, 3 October 2016 (UTC))

@Iuio: I haven't been able to really concentrate on it yet; today was not a very successful review day for me. As midnight UTC approached I could see I'd only be able to get one in, and decided to go for the one whose event was still the same day (I got it in about half an hour before midnight, so it was still "today" rather than having to be changed to "yesterday"). I was aware the whole time of your article, which was about an event on Friday, and therefore at midnight UTC entered its third calendar day after the event. I hope to get down to it the morning (my time; nine or more from now). --Pi zero (talk) 01:47, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Alright, well, I was hoping it doesn't get too stale for publication, which was my main concern. Hope things work out for you regarding it though. (Iuio (talk) 02:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC))
I too am really hoping to catch it while still fresh; it's just that a very fresh article makes a very desirable target for review. Having gotten that out while it was still "today", I'm very aware that your article needs to be acted on before it gets past us. --Pi zero (talk) 02:24, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Rosetta's news is three days old. I was planning to write it. In the worst case, I would copy entirely from VOA. Let me know if you have time for it so I should start.
acagastya 14:54, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: I expect I'll be available for a review maybe four or five hours from now (with still four hours before midnight UTC). We do not, of course, republish articles from elsewhere, as such (I was just remarking on that to someone, yesterday iirc); but if you have time to put something together, I have some time later today in which I believe I could review it. --Pi zero (talk) 15:01, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Here it is. Twelve years a journey of Rosetta ends; probe crashes in a comet. It needs to be renamed. It is not a probe, but a spacecraft. I am sorry for the delay.
acagastya 20:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. --Pi zero (talk) 20:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
@Acagastya: Done. --Pi zero (talk)
Thank you very much :-)
By the way, shouldn't we archive some of the stories? And also some of the discussions on your talk page? Interesting to note that 20 out of 43 discussions were started by me. By the way, should I finish the futsal news article? If you have time and you feel like another review, I will quickly submit it. Or should I keep it for tomorrow?
acagastya 22:18, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Can you check this link. O don't think it is paywalled like NYT. But I just want to confirm.
acagastya 22:48, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
It looks okay to me. --Pi zero (talk) 22:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
I'd gotten behind on article archiving for some reason; thanks for the reminder.

I don't think I'm up to another full review tonight, fwiw. --Pi zero (talk) 22:56, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Sure. I would take a nap. It is interesting to see that I kept an alarm for 1A.M. and 1:15A.M. just to write the news article and I woke up. I am trying to weather up early to study and I fail each day!

Tomorrow will be the last day for futsal article. And Nobel Prize for physics will be announced tomorrow. But I don't know if I am willing to write about it. Let's see. Goodnight!
acagastya 23:20, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Published. --Pi zero (talk) 21:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your work in reviewing and publishing the article, I'm glad it got published before it went stale, thankfully. Just wondering, should the article "Indonesian government bans pornographic sites" also be in the YouTube category? Also, I think the article "'Hunger Games' salute used to protest coup d'état in Thailand" should also be in the Protests category. (Iuio (talk) 06:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC))
The protest article definitely belongs in the protest category, yes; good catch. I think the other is a rather distant connection to YouTube; that story doesn't involve YouTube at all, it just refers to YouTube which is not involved in any of the then-current action described by the article. --Pi zero (talk) 11:43, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Alright then. I was also wondering if the article "Pakistani immigrant convicted of N.Y. subway plot" should also be in the Asia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Osama bin Laden categories, since those parts are mentioned in the article. Seems like there are a number of old articles that could be categorized better. (Iuio (talk) 22:47, 4 October 2016 (UTC))
Hmm. I hesitated over whether that article is really related to Pakistan, but went ahead and added that category. I was less sure about Osama bin Laden, so I just converted the link to use {{w}}. That's a sort of hedge. To explain: Just mentioning something doesn't always mean it should be in that thing's category. The rule of thumb is, if you were looking for news related to the thing, would you want this article to appear on the list? The {{w}} template is an important part of our system; it automatically populates Category:Pages with categorizable local links, and can also be used with a user-interface gadget to underline local {{w}}-links in green. Eventually we mean to convert all our archived articles to use {{w}}, and consider every local {{w}}-link to either categorize or not categorize the article. But we're less than halfway through converting our archived articles to use {{w}}, and already have thousands of articles with local {{w}}-link to consider. --Pi zero (talk) 23:57, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Black women report to OAS increased violence against them and Daylight saving time starts on October 16 in Brazil

Sorry my bad english (i'speak portuguese). I wanted to know why you're putting the news published for review, if indeed they were created from content with CC (Creative Commons)? When I publish the news in Spanish, practically the same rules in WN-EN, not have this bureaucracy that you impose. ANGwiki (talk) 02:27, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

@ANGwiki: We review articles for several criteria. Not just for copyright. There is a compact overview of what we do at English Wikinews at WN:PILLARS. --Pi zero (talk) 11:28, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that I've read all about WP: Pillars and says nothing about CC. Will impose rules to DC too? It is very strange that there are sites allow reproduction here does not allow. ANGwiki (talk) 23:30, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm not sure what you're objecting to. I wrote review comments to explain my reviews. --Pi zero (talk) 23:35, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Yoshinori Ohsumi wins Nobel Prize for research on autophagy

The article is in the third day of freshness, three hours left before it goes stale. Though it was October 4 in Ohsumi's motherland. Hope we publish it on time.
acagastya 20:54, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I just got back on-line a couple of minutes ago after spending all day upgrading my OS. --Pi zero (talk) 21:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Yakketi Yak?
acagastya 21:22, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I have real doubts of my ability to review this in the time available (which has further shrunk as I've dealt with routine stuff that's been accumulating all day). --Pi zero (talk) 22:06, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for publishing it!
acagastya 23:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
By the way, did you update your OS to 16.10?
acagastya 05:13, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
I can't find a convenient way to query this OS's version number. But I think it was 16.04LTS. (The upgrade was overdue, and had become urgent, which was why I dropped everything to do it.) --Pi zero (talk) 10:55, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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Me and my friends were discussing various distros. I saw Yakketi Yak was out but didn't have LTS after we failed to find a link to download Debian Jessie. Well, I am going home tomorrow, by the way. So I might be off-wiki.
acagastya 14:24, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

The other day, I was using Debian 8. All of the emojis didn't work in the Firefox. This never happened when I used Ubuntu. Are you able to see the emojis on my userpage?
acagastya 13:54, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
If that's the row of symbols across the top, yes, in both firefox and opera. --Pi zero (talk) 14:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, those icons. I almost forgot that you use Opera. Well, there is no JavaScript issue in the Chelsea website, but they have annoying Cookies message.
acagastya 17:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Bob Dylan becomes first singer to win Nobel Prize in Literature

Can you please rename the page without leaving a redirect removing the word dinner? I am sorry for being careless while creating it.
acagastya 08:05, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Done --Pi zero (talk) 11:04, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Feedback

You are right just don't ever try to make other people feel bad you know how long and irritiating it is to write an article. Kat&Kel (talk) 19:01, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Writing is hard. We all know it.

There are some pages here you may find helpful for learning about the project. There's a compact overview of what we do at WN:Pillars of Wikinews writing. The question of what is, and isn't, news is addressed at WN:Newsworthiness. There's an (imho) excellent tutorial on getting started writing for Wikinews at WN:Writing an article. --Pi zero (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Creating articles using mobile site

I wanted to see the CSS when I try to create a page using mobile editor. Do, no templates like {{develop}}, {{date}}, {{HYS}} or {{Source}} are there.
acagastya 02:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Acagastya: Ah, yes, I see that the mobile view cripples the whole preload mechanism. Which is used all over the site for article creation forms. So we really need to replace the article creation forms with dialog-based assistants if we want the mobile view to be at all useable for creating articles. Lovely. Well, better to know than not. Meanwhile I'm starting preliminaries for upgrading {{ambox}} to work with the mobile interface (but I'm going to have to tread carefully; first of all I have to figure out just how many pages use ambox; if it's roughly all published articles, that's only about 20k pages, but if the welcome template uses it, that's more like a million pages). --Pi zero (talk) 02:29, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Might be worth commenting on the bug – phab:T126190 – about our use-case. Microchip08 (talk) 15:52, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Heh. Fortunately, it's only used on a bit less than 10k pages. --Pi zero (talk) 03:05, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Though xambox would fix the issue with mobile view, can we modify the archive template? Because the page would ask to be checked again and that would me more that 20 thousand!
acagastya 14:22, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Hm, yes, that's an important one to do. A bit messy since {{archived}} doesn't use {{ambox}} but instead has all the code from {{ambox}} subst'd in. --Pi zero (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Done --Pi zero (talk) 15:25, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Yes, working fine. But the lock image isn't visible. And it is indeed important to have the "lock" image on the template.
acagastya 15:40, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. --Pi zero (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Removing <noinclude> is due to the usage of xambox?
acagastya 19:52, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
No. Nothing to do with it, except that while working on pages that use ambox I happened to look in on Category:Preload templates, and notice about three hundred comments pages that shouldn't be there. I'd forgotten about this, but I think I recall it now that my memory has been stirred. It's not — I think — even a wiki-software problem, exactly; those opinions pages are created by the review gadget, and it does it in a way that doesn't remove the noinclude. That aspect of it broke with a platform-software change a while back. The easiest fix, relatively speaking, is to replace the review gadget. --Pi zero (talk) 20:02, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for fixing the mistake I made. I didn't know you couldn't make comments on an unpublished article. :) Jackninja5 (talk) 14:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

@Jackninja5: It can be a confusing point. The opinions (comments) page is for discussing the story, the collaboration (talk) page is for discussing the writing of the article. Until the article is published, it isn't known to be a valid presentation of the story. So we eventually concluded we needed to allow speedy-deletion of pre-publish opinions pages. --Pi zero (talk) 14:50, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I understand. Thanks for letting me know. Jackninja5 (talk) 14:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

On the campaign trail trail, October 2016

The text of the Summary section is mostly stable. I still have to add some photos however. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:06, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

???

This Is your New Phone Pre-Tapped? The "PLAIN HEARING DOCTRINE" looks familiar. I will leave him a note about self-publishing.....but this topic/content rings a bell with me.....maybe 4-6 backs, possibly?? Just wondering if this is a disruptive user??? --Bddpaux (talk) 22:47, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikinews:Story preparation/Stephen Port trial

Prosecution gave a closing speech today. (Source) I haven't included it in the article since it's a potted recap of their case, which we already have in detail, but it means we're drawing close to a verdict. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Jury is deliberating. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 15:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Noted. (It boggles my mind how long I have been trying, and failing, to scrape up time to pre-review that prepared story. And all the stuff that has happened meanwhile; there once was a world in which Donald Trump had never been elected POTUS.) --Pi zero (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Just a quick note, deliberations continue as normal. (one, two) BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 13:39, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

user talk g

Hi, I ursurped the account user:G in september. But on this wiki user talk:G still has the welcome message of the old account owner as its only content. I requested speedy deletion of that talk page some time ago, but the request is not decided. Please delete that page or move its content to the new account owner user:*g. You can check my identity by looking at the user creation log on meta. --° (Gradzeichen) 18:44, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

No elaborate verification needed; it's a straightforward request for deletion by the owner in user space. --Pi zero (talk) 19:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Please delete the new welcome message also. It is only distracting. "G" is meant as an alias, so that users without a geman keyboard (that has "°" as a standard key) can easily sent me echo notifications. --° (Gradzeichen) 19:26, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
@°: Since you intend the account to be an empty shell, wouldn't it make more sense to have a talk page indicating so, given that the user talk page is where an experienced wikimedian would go to communicate with the account, rather than leave a confusingly empty user talk page? --Pi zero (talk) 19:33, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
For that purpose there is the (global) user page. Optimal would be to protect the talk page against creation (if only because of bots, spreading there messages without looking at a user page), but talk pages don't get permanent protection... --° (Gradzeichen) 20:28, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Punjab

Dear Pi zero, please add the following into the Punjab article.

Regards Peeta Singh (talk) 04:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

{{Topic cat
|pipe=Punjab
|intro=a geographical region including but significantly larger than the state and province of Punjab
|usage note=See also [[Punjab (Pakistan)|Punjab province (Pakistan)]] and [[Punjab (India)|Punjab state (India)]]
|image=Punjab map (topographic) with cities.png
|imagecaption=
|offset={{{offset|0}}}
|sisterprojects=yes
|wikibooks=Punjabi
|commons=Category:Punjab
|wikipedia=Punjab
|wiktionary=Punjab
|wikiversity=Punjab
|wikivoyage=Punjab
}}

[[Category:Punjab]]
We don't now have a category for Punjab. Creating a category requires working out what articles in our archives belong in it, and there should usually be at least three before we create it; here it seems we might want to limit the category to articles that are specifically about the region as a whole, and I don't know whether we have articles about the region as a whole. --Pi zero (talk) 04:56, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Neymar

Time to create a CAT for Neymar (Neymar Jr, Neymar Jr. and other redirects {check http://dispenser.homenet.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py?page=Neymar}).

Here is the list of articles; In all of them, Neymar has been used.


Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 05:12, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll look into it the morning; off hand, it looks like a solid and manageable feline. --Pi zero (talk) 05:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Decimal-sexigisimal entanglement

Think its interesting to explore this idea. Why did you delete the aricle I was writing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 336sunny (talkcontribs) 02:10, 3 December 2016‎

Hi. It may be interesting, intellectually, but it's not news. We publish neutral articles about current events. For exploring your idea, you might wish to enquire at Wikiversity. I don't know what they'd say; I'm just suggesting an exploration like that might be closer to fitting on Wikiversity than on Wikinews. (For contributions at Wikinews, I usually recommend reading WN:PILLARS, then WN:WRITE.) --Pi zero (talk) 02:17, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Digital-sexigesimal entanglement

Something strange about Plimpton 322 is always news. But hey, can get it from Science News. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 336sunny (talkcontribs) 02:29, 3 December 2016‎

If you think there's news in there, build a news article around it. Besides WN:PILLARS and WN:WRITE, there's also WN:Article wizard. --Pi zero (talk) 02:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

{{votings|x=}}

Hey there. What's the use case of {{votings|x=}}, compared to MediaWiki:Gadget-hidevotings.css? It seems to have made all the templates a lot more complicated for little benefit. Microchip08 (talk) 22:29, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

I know nothing about the hidevotings gadget, other than vague awareness that there is one. Not sure what complication you're asking about. I did a major upgrade to votings recently to get it to put all the non-zero items before all the zero items. --Pi zero (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

76 dead in plane crash near Medellín, Colombia

In the article mentioned, Change La Unión, Valle del Cauca by La Unión, Antioquia. Thanks. --186.145.98.162 (talk) 02:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

I am so sad to hear Odain Howell (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

sudo's

Hi Pi zero, saw you on Template:Editprotected/Volunteers. Would you please check out these: 1, 2? Thank you, Xaosflux (talk) 15:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Done, thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 16:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

About the changes in the templates

Adding irrelevant gifs and unofficial logos is also increasing the page size. Replacing previous media which was lesser than 40KBs with images more than 100-200KBs wastes a lot of data. While browsing using cellular data, readers suffer a significant amount of data for almost zero benefit and it also wastes lot of time loading the pages.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 06:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

<nods> A fair point. --Pi zero (talk) 13:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents

Was wondering how you'd feel about creating such. I'd always viewed it as an intersection of two cats, but I'm reminded (by creating {{Aviation mishaps}}, though now I realise it seems obvious) that certain criminal acts fit the bill without fitting the disasters/accidents cat. Hijackers divert Libyan passenger jet to Malta is conspicuously absent and unruly passengers, on-board illness, and so forth would also meet the definition. Thoughts? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

What sort of news articles about aviation would this not include? --Pi zero (talk) 21:44, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
<grin> The fact the cat, like many, is mostly bad news is a form of systematic bias inherent to news reporting. Drone delivers transfusion blood intact is a recent example. There's also business-type stuff such as Air Canada back in the black in 2010, Garuda Indonesia increases flights, fleet; may buy rival, etc. It also branches into culture/entertainment, such as Wikinews visits the 2009 Reno Air Races, and sci/tech stuff like Solar-powered airplane makes first international flight. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 21:53, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm okay with the idea. Just as well to avoid reliance on intersection of topics, which can involve some pretty slippery questions of topic-category semantics. --Pi zero (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Have created; as we have some recent pieces on the subject, I've left it hidden for the time being. About to vanish into flood mode to populate it. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Creation of "British singer George Michael, 53, dies"

You contributed to "n:George Michael Dies." I created the other one with a lot of sources and a little more content. --George Ho (talk) 11:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, I didn't contribute to it, in the contentful sense. I added required formatting elements that had been omitted by the user who created it — seemingly, they had not used an article creation form, which would have provided the necessary elements automatically (though I notice that feature doesn't work on mobile view). --Pi zero (talk) 11:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't articles be merged? Also, why are so many sources listed and used, for such a small article?
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 12:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I am planning on expanding the article by using the sources available. --George Ho (talk) 12:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Export Easy Peer Review to others Wikinews

Hello, I would like to know if it is possible to export to others Wikinews the gadget Easy Peer Review, yes it is, that would have to be done? Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 01:27, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: Well, first of all, you should be aware the EPR gadget is aging; we expect wiki software upgrades may cause it to just stop working one of these days (it's been suggested, for example, this may happen early in the new year). I hope to replace it with an assistant using the wikidialog gadget, though the development for such assistants has been going slowly, so it may not be ready by the time the EPR gadget dies, leading to a bit of a scramble as I try to cobble something together in a hurry.

For the existing EPR gadget, the person you want to speak to is User:Bawolff, who created it years ago; he can offer a more technical assessment of that gadget. --Pi zero (talk) 01:41, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

@Pi zero: Thanks for the info. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 02:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Review

I'm travelling in the morn, so have left a small collection of pieces to provide some near-guaranteed content (never say never, mind you; we can all make a balls of an article or three) in the likely event my time for WN will be limited. Come the 4th I should be able to pick up any other reviews that need doing. I can't promise, though, so if freshness is a concern feel free to make the call to jump to a later submission. I've aimed for stories that should have a few days of freshness in them. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 02:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Wikidialog in Others Wikinews

Hi, as I see you are the one who created the wikidialog templates, I would like to know if there are any instructions on all the pages that must be created to make it work in another Wikinews. I have done it on es.wikinews and it does not work, I have reviewed the MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js several times, however, I do not find anything missing. I hope you can help me. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 06:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC) PD: Sorry if my English is not good.

@AlvaroMolina:
Some thoughts:
  • There are tentative instructions at MediaWiki talk:Dialog/receive#Dialog installation. I tried to name everything there that has to be done. I made some improvements to those instructions from my experience in porting the tools to English Wikibooks, and added more categories to help keep track of pages that are needed. I know there is at least one thing that still doesn't work about the English Wikibooks port, and I have not yet had a chance to try to figure out why. Also, as of this morning there is a report of a javascript failure of some sort on English Wikibooks; I don't know whether or not that is related to the dialog tools. We've been warned for months that some things would break in the new year because support for them is being discontinued, although I was never given a clear answer as to what would break.
  • I hope I can take a look at what you've done at Spanish Wikinews later today (or, at least, soon); perhaps I can identify the problem. It could be something very simple; I designed the dialog tools to be very simple, after all. If any of the necessary elements is missing, the tools simply will not work.
  • I still make upgrades to the tools from time to time, and expect that will continue to be true into the foreseeable future. Recently upgrades have all been for the purpose of making it easier to port the tools to another project. I don't have a good way set up to keep track of these upgrades from another project, so that one knows when an upgrade should be ported over — perhaps sometime in the future it will be possible to do that using wikidialog, but that will require some upgrades to the tools.
  • All the names of templates, parameters, and such are in English. I'm not sure what one does about that; perhaps porting to another-language project will provide insights into it.
--Pi zero (talk) 14:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi again, indeed I believe them untranslated, since I would have put to translate the parameters, I would have delayed an eternity, besides, I want to be sure of itself Spanish Wikinews is compatible with all those improvements, since unlike you , They have a lot of improvements that they try to implement at the time there and they just will not work, being that you create all related pages and even copy some styles of MediaWiki:Common.css. Anyway, I hope I can help with something. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 16:21, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Tyrus Wong, Bambi artist, dies at 106

The article is on the last day of freshness, and has lot of facts to be verified. RQ has four articles :/
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 09:05, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There are five articles on the queue, two of yours and three of BRS's (who I take it won't be a round for a few days so left several things that have a bit of freshness room on them); a report of javascript breaking this morning on English Wikibooks; and a request for help with porting the dialog tools to Spanish Wikinews. I'll see what I can do. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 14:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Btw, how do I edit the default editnotice message of the news articles?(Edit notice / page notice: [2] don't know what it is called on WN)
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

What to do next time?

Thanks for publishing the article At least 56 killed in Brazil prison riot. Your comments made me reflect what I should do next time before requesting review. Besides re-reading WN:style guide and double-checking, how else shall I do a better article than what I have written? --George Ho (talk) 02:24, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, those two things are a good start. I try deliberately to break my edits during review into small enough actions to provide a specific edit summary and a clear diff for each one, so that the edit history can be studied in detail. I also mentioned in my comments an aspect of background, providing perspective for the reader to understand the causes of the event; deciding which things to include is a refinement one can keep working on long after one has the basics down. --Pi zero (talk) 02:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

User:ULCM Corres

Doing some digging into this unblock request, I saw a comment from you there were two other accounts in use by this person. I found one, and it was disgraceful, earning this user an idef block. What was the other? BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 16:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Executive summary: I don't think there was ever proof of a third account, although there are a couple of variously suggestive anomalies.
  • If you mean this, on my first rereading today I though "second account" meant ULCM Corres was the first and ScruffMcGruff007 was the second. My declared rationale for blocking ULCM Corres made it legit for the individual to create an individual account; and if they could make a reasonable case that ULCM Corres didn't fall under WN:ROLE, that might justify unblocking it, subject to my concerns mentioned in the earlier remark; but one would not expect to do both unless one of the accounts were labeled as a doppelganger of the other.
  • There was that remark in the unblock request, "The blocking account is also highly suspect of retaliatory conduct in relationship to other sites, which is under current formal investigation to determine if this is in fact the case, at which point I will request that administrator privileges for the account be revoked", about which my strong instinct is to ask "WTF?"
  • ULCM Corres also made a remark here. That could be arguing about the treatment of somebody else's article, but raises the strong (though indecisive) suspicion it might have been the article author, who had made several unsuccessful submissions during June. There's nothing else I can see to connect JaydenPerry with the other two accounts, although ULCM Corres/ScruffMcGruff007 doesn't really strike me as the sort of person likely to raise a stink about someone else's article.
I'm reminded that SMcG007 did create one article that got published despite xem. --Pi zero (talk) 17:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Vandal

Nainapatel just created the account and spammed two pages. Nice coincidence that xambox is used on so many pages, but for the users' intentions, the edit needs to be checked. Well, why don't we change the permission of the page only for admins?<be>Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 12:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

That template was fully protected when it was created, and then later, thanks to a quirk of the wiki software, the protection was lost. Fixed. --Pi zero (talk) 13:05, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
A new one here and here by the user Steelthumbs who claims to be a noob.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 14:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Many novice mistakes with wiki markup consist of trying too hard. As I slowly move toward getting wikidialog-based assistance operational, I've been thinking deeply on how to provide tools that simultaneously help with doing things and with learning how to do them without help (a key modern challenge of all technology). --Pi zero (talk) 14:53, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global survey

Most surveys (like torture) serve only to confirm what their perpetrators want to believe. --Pi zero (talk) 00:03, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

One of leads in the Main Page

Can you check Template:Lead article 5 please? Thank you. --George Ho (talk) 23:12, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

S.E.V.E.N.

For reviewing three articles in the day to reach the landmark of seven articles published on January 18, 2017. Cheers!

I bet the bottleneck was on the editor's side. If there was one more article, you might have as well tackled that too. Nom nom nom!
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 10:26, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I dunno about one more article; it was a pretty full day. But, thanks. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 15:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Accidental Creations

Sorry for the latest creations, I'm importing some templates to the Spanish version and by accident I forget to change the "en" to "es" in the URL. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: No problem. Btw, I haven't forgotten about porting wikidialog to es.wn; sorry I haven't gotten to it yet. --Pi zero (talk) 22:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
No problem and thank you Face-smile.svg 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 22:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Status

Due to something that came up rather suddenly, I now expect to be on the road tomorrow (driving about 400 miles, roughly an eight-hour trip), starting reasonably promptly in the morning; so it's likely I won't be in a position to do any review for 17 or more hours from now. It's possible I won't be up to reviewing then either, in which case I may miss reviewing tomorrow entirely, taking me through to sometime after 1200UTC on Sunday. --Pi zero (talk) 04:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

An edit to check at Template:Sisterprojects

I made an edit at Template:Sisterprojects. I changed the icon sizes, and I rearranged Wikipedia and Commons links. --George Ho (talk) 06:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho:
  • The icon size felt a little awkwardly large to me. So far I don't know a way to articulate why, in concrete terms; it's just how it felt to me. I tried a couple of intermediate sizes, and found that the larger of them — which really is only a tiny bit smaller that yours — felt much better to me. So I tried that.
  • We try to eliminate stuff that's going to be a source of potential long-term disagreement (one such thing we haven't eliminated is the choice of leads, as you may have noted; it's kind of inevitable that there is some subjectivity in the choices, for example we have historically preferred Lead 1 to be something with international gravitas, but as a result of this subjectivity e.g. BRS never touches the lead choices at all; and I have other strategies by which I try to keep it from becoming a big deal). The ordering of the sister links on {{topic cat}} became a source of controversy a while ago, because of a category for which Wikipedia's page really sucked compared to those of other sisters, so that it was highly inappropriate to give it pride-of-place as the first sister listed; rather that create a situation where there was potential for disagreement on a case-by-case basis, we sorted those sister templates alphabetically (with the wiki- or wik- prefix omitted). I've been thinking ever since we should do the same alphabetical order with the sister links on the main page, but I guess I forgot about it because that set of sister links was collapsed by default.
Thoughts? --Pi zero (talk) 13:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
No opinions on the ordering other than putting Wikipedia and Commons at left column. They are most visited as I felt. Well, the template is not major issue. It's more of a minor thing not to make a huge fuss about. The icon size... you're right. It's not easy. Well, at least I rearranged the icons as I wanted to put. I'll leave that up to you guys. --George Ho (talk) 17:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Almost forgot. The icons, while minor issue, might need a good visibility for most readers. And the leads: if you were mentioning how to choose leads, we had two death toll news conflicting each other, especially on the desktop version. I felt that one story in Lead #1 can balance the two, like the marijuana one. Marijuana is also the global topic. If you were mentioning leads generally, if you have two or more stories that belong in the same category (i.e. mass deaths) in the Wikinews Main Page, they might conflict each other to make themselves into the top. One story in Lead #1 should balance the others of the same category, like obituary articles. --George Ho (talk) 19:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
By the way, the 30px is adequate enough for now. --George Ho (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Heads of state

I was thinking perhaps Presidents and Prime Ministers should get their own internal cat, to thin out the politicians one a little by placing those into a subcat. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 22:24, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

@Blood Red Sandman: That makes sense. --Pi zero (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
@Blood Red Sandman: Categories of that sort should be finessed such that it's clear they include former holders of the office. --Pi zero (talk) 23:27, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
I suspect that could be done by way of a note on the top of the category. It is internal, after all. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 00:22, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Protection Of The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States

See Page. The article was copied from the document on The Washington Post. Although I do not know if it corresponds exactly to a copyvio, since it is not an article itself. 20px Alvaro Molina (Let's Talk) 01:21, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Except for the two-sentence introduction, the whole page is just a quote of the executive order. --Pi zero (talk) 02:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
IIRC executive orders from the US President are public domain as works of their federal government. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 18:17, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Block request

Just see the edits and block this user Kgkghhgbot (t · c · b).
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:41, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

And this one 94.25.229.21 (t · c · b).
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 11:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Got those, and Fgjffsd (t · c · b). --Pi zero (talk) 14:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

RE:Forest fires

Hello, I will take your suggestion into account and divide the article into others that speak of a certain related event. As for the dialogue tools, I decided to import them using Special:Import in Spanish Wikinews, although several pages are still missing, I also translated the names although I do not know if it was correct. Besides, I do not know if any additional requirements are required that we do not have there. If you want I can give you the translations and then see if all goes well. Regards and thanks. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 20:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I better start over again and I'll import the pages as it is here. Then I tell you to check it, it's too many pages and from here you can spend a lot of time considering that the volume of work you have to do here is quite complex. Speaking of the articles, I have created another that speaks of the planes and the main one I have destined to speak of the event itself and its consequences. If there is another problem, let me know. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 21:54, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: I saw you'd rearranged things. I'm making a few edits now, and then I need to start supper here. I'm hoping I can do something with the "Aerial fleets" article because it has sources dated January 31, and it has only four sources (though that could get complicated if it turns out some of the information there isn't in those four sources alone); but I certainly won't get to that before supper, and I might not get to it tonight. --Pi zero (talk) 21:59, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
I have restored the Develop template in the air fleet article to work it more calmly. As for the dialogue tools, I will start again by creating the pages and then I will let you know to review them, I will create them with the English language to see if that works and later I will translate them, otherwise, They will never work for me. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 22:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
Ehm... I already had the develop template when you reviewed it. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 22:13, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Yeah, sorry about that. I had started writing a review of an earlier version of the article, and the old review gadget doesn't warn the reviewer if they're submitting a not-ready review of an article based on an outdated version of the page. It does warn the reviewer if they want to submit a passing (publishing) review of an old version, but not for a not-ready review. On occasion, we've even had two different reviewers both submit not-ready reviews of the same article, because the second reviewer doesn't get warned about the earlier review. --Pi zero (talk) 22:17, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Dialog Tools (2)

Aside from creating all the pages, there is something extra to do (add something to MediaWiki:Common.js or something). I know the instructions are in MediaWiki Talk:Dialog/receive, but I was not able to understand them well (I'm not very expert at that). Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 23:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Finally the tools worked (see here), only now that when I click any button it appears page unsecured: Wikinoticias:Dialog/do. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 00:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Yes, I saw on page es:Ayuda:Dialog that the input fields and buttons are visible. The gadget does that; so the gadget is working.
To get the buttons to work, I think there are at least three things you need to do.
  • Yes, there is a bit of code to add to es:MediaWiki:Common.js. It looks as if you have already tried to do this. I see some code you have added that looks like this:
// MEDIAWIKI IMPORTE AUTOMATIQUEMENT LE CSS ET LE JAVASCRIPT COMMUN POUR UNE PAGE //
if (mw.config.get('wgPageName') === 'Wikinoticias:Titulares_en_Portada') {
  importStylesheet("MediaWiki:Common.css/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
  importScript("MediaWiki:Common.js/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
}
I suggest removing the "if" around this. That would leave just
// MEDIAWIKI IMPORTE AUTOMATIQUEMENT LE CSS ET LE JAVASCRIPT COMMUN POUR UNE PAGE //
importStylesheet("MediaWiki:Common.css/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
importScript("MediaWiki:Common.js/" + mw.config.get('wgPageName'));
The dialog tools don't need the "importStylesheet" line, either. It shouldn't do any harm, though.
--Pi zero (talk) 01:31, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, I will make corrections in that respect. On the other hand, if the page names are translated (example: Dialog → Diálogo; Buttons → Botones), would the options still work or would they be affected? 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 01:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Some things would be easy to change, others would take more work.
  • the "Wikinews" is already meant to be replaced by the project name. On es.wn it would be "Wikinoticias". On en.wb it's "Wikibooks". And so on.
  • the "Dialog" would have to be changed in a bunch of different places. It's built into at least several of the javascript pages, possibly all of them, but there aren't very many of them. It may be built into a few templates, and it's probably built into some documentation pages. You'd probably have to find the places where it's used by string search in the raw page content.
  • the name of the action, "do", is probably only built into a few templates, and a few documentation pages such as es:Ayuda:Diálogo.
  • The names of the templates, like Template:Dialog/button, would probably be relatively easy to change. It's only a convention that they all start with "Dialog", so there's no reason it couldn't be es:Plantilla:Diálogo/botón. You just have to be sure to change the name of the template everywhere that the template is used. There is a catch, though. Some of those templates have a bunch of subtemplates; this is especially true of {{dialog/button}}, which has these subtemplates. The full name of the template is written into the code of the template, and also into the code of some of the subtemplates; so changing the name of the template everywhere it's used is a bit tedious. It can be done, though.
--Pi zero (talk) 02:46, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
I do not have any difficulty changing the name of all templates, which makes me doubtful is basically to change, since there are templates that integrate "dialog" as a parameter and not as a template (I'm not sure if it is so), Which makes me doubt if those must also be changed or should be preserved as they are. The same thing happens to me with "test" that in Spanish means "prueba" and that I do not know if they have to modify or leave as they are. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 03:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
The prefix on action pages, "Wikinews:Dialog/" (becoming "Wikinoticias:Diálogo/") may not occur in the templates at all (except for template documentation). The templates only have to tell the javascript what the action name is — "do", for example — and the javascript adds the prefix. --Pi zero (talk) 03:16, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Now I understand, for the moment I will focus on translating the superficial and then I will see the parameters when I have time. Thanks for the help. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 03:20, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello, there is another problem, it turns out that now when I click on the buttons, I only get the waiting notice without doing anything. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 05:10, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: There are several things that might go wrong, that would cause the page to do nothing once a button sends data to it. The first of these would be, if the bit of code at es:MediaWiki:Common.js isn't right. It appears to me that you haven't fixed that yet. Once you do fix it, the change might take effect within a minute or two, or might be delayed because the javascript gets cached at some point (either cached at your client or cached at the WMF's server). --Pi zero (talk) 11:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello again, delete that line in es:MediaWiki:Common.js and still not working, purge several times and wait for almost 10 minutes... 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 17:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: Also delete the matching line that's just a closing right-brace, }, after the importScript.--Pi zero (talk) 18:42, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Now it works. Thanks! 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 19:13, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
Now I had another problem, by changing the parameter label that shows the name of the buttons, they remain in that state. Is it necessary to change something more internally so that they are shown correctly? 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 06:32, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I think he did not realize the previous question, but for now it is not necessary to answer it. It turns out that now I have moved all the "Dialog" pages to "Diálogo" and change the names in the templates, however, now it happened to me the same as in the beginning, when you click on a button, Do nothing and I think I change something I should not do. I hope you can help me again. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 03:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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@AlvaroMolina: There are some page names coded into the action-page javascript. For example, es:MediaWiki:Common.js/Wikinoticias:Diálogo/do. --Pi zero (talk) 04:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again, I have already solved it. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 04:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
What does this error message mean? Edit form error; missing local-creation or local-basetimestamp parameter for Wikinoticias:Diálogo/do/test/sequence/edit/form. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 08:53, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
@AlvaroMolina: The message means that the software needed to find one or the other of those two local dialog parameters (local-creation or local-basetimestamp), but didn't find either one. The use of those local parameters is discussed at Wikinews:Dialog/do/doc#Verb: edit. One or the other, but not both, must be provided. Because they are local, they must be specified by the form using {{dialog/init}}. --Pi zero (talk) 22:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Little bit of random

I've been a wee bit in absentia lately, for no specific reason, honestly....just work, grad school, family etc. I guess. But I've been thinking: should we write something, do something, address something in terms of the current 'fake news' virus that's out-and-about? I dunno, just some wonky things like this pinging around in my head of-late. --Bddpaux (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

I've wondered about the whole 'fake news' thing. Our neutrality policy means we need to report specific events, or we need to interview someone, or (least common on Wikinews) we need to do some sort of original research and report on that. The third of those seems trickiest from a neutrality standpoint; I've never really studied the sparse examples of that sort of think in our archives to consider how best one would go about it.

A search on "fake news" in the google news aggregator produces a bunch of results, but all kinds of problems; the top match for me is yet another article about Trump calling something fake (indicator that he doesn't like something); other top matches include an editorial called "WTF is fake news?", something about Facebook and France that's behind a paywall, and an article reporting that a study has concluded fake news didn't affect the election after all — in a paper apparently owned by Trump's son-in-law. There's a Guardian article about fake news on the liberal side (though I wouldn't rule out deliberate spreading of fake liberal news either in order to justify claims that the liberals are "no better", or just to spread mayhem because trolling has gone mainstream). Clearly there are a great many wrong ways to cover the 'fake news' phenomenon; really well-done coverage of it would be a correspondingly major coup. --Pi zero (talk) 19:48, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Forest Fires Articles

Hi, is it possible that based on the original article that I have in my space user can summarize the specific facts in general or I have to write a new story from scratch speaking that the fire ended and let the other articles pass? Unfortunately I did not have time these days to extend the article because I was quite busy exporting the dialog tools on the other wiki. Regards. 20px Alvaro Molina ( - ) 21:22, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@AlvaroMolina: You need a news article focused on a current event (specific and fresh). Background details and context can be brought in further down the inverted pyramid, but the focus needs to be fresh, and I would recommend an article from scratch. --Pi zero (talk) 21:31, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

About music video 'Selva' by Theodor Bastard

Dear Pi zero, could you please see again my article about music video of Theodor Bastard? I have added some information... Aokoroko (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

@Aokoroko: I did take a look. Appearance in a wikimedia category doesn't really mean anything in itself; it might be suggestive, but it could be accidental. --Pi zero (talk) 22:09, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Yes! I agree! I have tried to say more correctly. Could you see please? Aokoroko (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: May the evident way to verify uploading music videos to Wikimedia Commons be through examining categories? Wikimedia categories Videos_of_music and Videos_of_music_of_Russia. Aokoroko (talk) 23:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
I do not know what to suggest to solve this problem with the article. --Pi zero (talk) 23:32, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
@Pi zero: Last attempt before dying) I see, freshness window are closing :( Could you see please my article the last time? Aokoroko (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Correction request for archived article 'Scientists warn thawing Siberia may trigger global meltdown'

{{editprotected}}

Please add [[Category:Climate change]] to the article Scientists warn thawing Siberia may trigger global meltdown. Thanks. --Roberta jr. (talk) 10:54, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Done; thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 11:51, 15 February 2017 (UTC)