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Thanks. --William S. Saturn (talk) 10:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

On the campaign trail in the USA, May 2020


Oops; have hit a snag (apologies for not catching it sooner): review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 20:40, 17 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

verifying details on On the campaign trail in the USA, May 2020


A few points I'm aware of being unable to verify from cited sources, so far:

  • Mohr is chair of the Michigan Tax Payers party. (This is so prominent, I haven't yet had the nerve to cut it; I know of a source that confirms it, but it's not cited, and as an independent reviewer I'm particularly not supposed to add sources.)
  • Mohr was a candidate for the party in those four state elections. The aforementioned source says he joined the party in 2005, which makes it more likely but still, technically, wouldn't guarantee it.
  • Blankenship's conviction was a misdemeanor. There's a cited (I think) source in which Blankenship denies having been convicted of a felony, which however, given the other controversial things he says there, establishes only that Blankenship says that, which seems like it'd be clumsy to say.

--Pi zero (talk) 01:12, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'm also concerned about statements at the top and bottom of the summary, because of the sources I haven't processed yet, I'm not seeing any that seem likely to help with them:

  • "At the beginning of May, with stay-at-home orders easing in some states"
  • "By the end of the month, with coronavirus deaths surpassing 100,000 and protests and riots related to the death of Floyd spreading throughout the nation" (we have an article about passing 100,000, but it would need to be cited under Related news).

--Pi zero (talk) 05:59, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

I have added four new sources and placed the Wikinews article about the 100,000 deaths into the related articles.--William S. Saturn (talk) 09:14, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

  • The Clyburn item isn't in the cited sources afaict.

--Pi zero (talk) 14:55, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

  • Didn't see the disinfectant-in-the-body thing in the cited sources.

I've completed all but the checking of the interviews (which should be really easy to do, unless of course there's some technical glitch in which case it could be a show-stopper); I'll be attending other review for the next few hours, then hopefully I'll be able to finish yours up and publish this evening US time (somewhat after midnight, UTC). --Pi zero (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Clyburn material has been removed.  Seems like the statement was after Biden's backtracking.  I added a source for the disinfectant comment still being an issue in May.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Published. --Pi zero (talk) 23:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the review. I appreciate it.--William S. Saturn (talk) 23:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

ArbCom election 2020


As a current Arb, would you be willing to stand for Arbcom again this year? If you don't wish to nominate yourself, I would be happy to nominate you. --Pi zero (talk) 16:54, 6 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I've nominated you. --Pi zero (talk) 02:40, 13 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Congratulations, William S. Saturn, you have been elected to be a part of this season's ArbCom team member. The new term commences on August 4.
•–• 23:18, 30 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

verifying details on On the campaign trail in the USA, June 2020

  • In the intro for the Parker interview, I'm not finding (perhaps just not looking in the right place)
  • The first sentence: "In June, Prohibition Party presidential nominee Phil Collins and vice presidential nominee Billy Joe Parker unsuccessfully sought the nomination of the Reform Party, denying ballot access for the ticket in Florida."
  • In the third sentence, the last two words: "in March" (i.e., when Collins one the California primary).

--Pi zero (talk) 19:29, 24 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

I added a source for the date of the primary.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Is a source needed that Collins sought the Reform Party nomination or that the Reform Party is on the ballot in Florida? --William S. Saturn (talk) 00:12, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
I didn't find any of the information for that sentence — neither the Reform Party bid nor the Florida ballot consideration; neither in the scoop emails nor in the cited sources. (If the information was right there under my nose, I still missed it.) --Pi zero (talk) 00:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
I just sent a screenshot from the official Facebook page of the Reform Party where party members discuss the Prohibition Party ticket seeking the Reform Party's presidential nomination. The information about Florida ballot access should be covered in the sources from the Darcy Richardson interview. --William S. Saturn (talk) 01:48, 25 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. Published. --Pi zero (talk) 00:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks again for the review. --William S. Saturn (talk) 02:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)Reply

Wikinewsie email


Hello, William S. Saturn. I was wondering if you use some sort of email client for wikinewsie inbox. Wikinewsie email is inaccessible as of now, and because of that, you can't get new emails. An email client such as thunderbird will have cached old emails. But if you were waiting for someone's response, especially for your campaign trials -- you won't be able to send new ones. As an alternative, I can promptly provide you an email. for a few months.
•–• 05:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

I've been using gmail this year so I don't have anything pending.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:04, 10 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
Okay. Any chance you could join IRC this morning for discussion?
•–• 07:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
Sorry. I usually check in here late at night. What is the discussion about? The e-mail server after Brianmc's passing? --William S. Saturn (talk) 05:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes, and if it is possible, please join the irc in the morning. Come by #wikinewsie-group, please.
•–• 07:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)Reply

Upcoming OR


I think it is about time when you would write another campaign trail, which would require scoop to work. FWIW, we have managed to set up the things required for smooth functioning of our investigative journalism. One of us (gry, pizero, or I) should brief you about how to use this. Will IRC-based communication be okay? We will be lurking around #wikinewsie-group. Cheers!
•–• 03:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

OR tag/notes?


Talk:On the campaign trail in the USA, August 2020#OR? --Pi zero (talk) 15:59, 25 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Need some help


Hello, WSS. Someone came by #wikinews this afternoon (IST) saying their friend Wayne Tseng is running for Melbourne Mayor election. I was wondering if you can collaborate with @Gryllida: and @RockerballAustralia: on this interview? You might find this article helpful: 2020 City of Melbourne election.
•–• 08:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

I'd be happy to help out. --RockerballAustralia contribs 05:54, 1 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
@RockerballAustralia: we might receive the first set of response on scoop any day now. Would you be able to go theough the answers to ask a second set of those?
•–• 07:30, 16 October 2020 (UTC)Reply



Now I have thought maybe you could find the "welcome a bit" programme interesting. It notifies you of newly created drafts, either here on the talk page or by email, automatically. I am running this in a hope that once notified, you might decide to proofread or edit these new articles at your leisure. If you're interested in it, please click the 'sign up' button there and fill it in (note: for article type, the 'new drafts' option in my opinion is more useful than the 'newly published articles' there, I think).

Let me know if you also like to program, or have Firefox installed, as I can sign you up to do beta testing of some news writing tools. Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

I was reviewing this interview, WSS, and I feel many answers would require follow up questions. Do you plan to do that? (It may be just my opinion, but without follow-up questions it looks rather incomplete from the audience's perspective. But then, I have not reviewed an interview before, so my opinion could be because of that.) Oh, and also, the maps have been changing on-wiki. Could you provide a source to the ballot map, so I can verify which one is the right version and upload a local copy?
•–• 07:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Political candidates (especially this late in the campaign) take a while to get back. I'm still waiting on a few other candidates.  If I asked follow ups, I don't know how long it would delay the interview or if he would even get back with me.  The map is consistent with the sources for ballot access. No claim about write-in access in any particular state is made in the article but that's the only thing that might fluctuate on the map.  The access tracked at Third party and independent candidates for the 2020 United States presidential election with links to each state's official list on its SOS page. I'm not a fan of some of the stylistic changes that were made to the interview but that's not really a big deal. --William S. Saturn (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
(I'm now taking advantage of acagastya's having done a lot of the legwork on this review, to pick it up and hopefully get it out the door so as to start clearing the logjam on the queue.)

The Commons version says no access in New Mexico and write-in in Wyoming, whilst the party claims on-ballot for both. Further, some earlier versions of the Commons map show one or both of those states on-ballot. --Pi zero (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

The discrepancy is because the NM party nominated someone else and in WY there was a clerical error that will leave him off the ballot.  I explained this in a note after the third paragraph.--William S. Saturn (talk) 15:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Noted; thanks for the heads-up. (As I try to wrap my head around the pieces of this...) --Pi zero (talk) 15:09, 19 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

I notice the 'final plea' question was omitted from the article. Was that intentional? --Pi zero (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

The article is published; for the next twenty-three-and-a-half hours or so, that question/answer could be added. --Pi zero (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes. I plan to include it in the October on the campaign trail article.--William S. Saturn (talk) 22:40, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Any idea when you'll have the trail article submitted? (I hope to do your third interview tomorrow.) --Pi zero (talk) 22:49, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
The September article is written but I still need to do some tweaks.  The October article is being written and will be submitted soon thereafter.--William S. Saturn (talk) 23:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

COVID and On the campaign trail in the USA, September 2020


Hi William S. Saturn/2020,

I see you are doing a lot of great work round en-wikinews. I was just curious when I searched your new article for the word COVID and found only one instance in the article categories. Just wanted to mention that I understand that COVID is the major election concern of the democrats in this American election and should as such be given proper attention to follow NPOV. Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Hey, @Ottawahitech:, could try searching for the word "coronavirus"? Before you allege someone is not being neutral, you must make sure that is the case.
•–• 14:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
"Pandemic" comes up 4 times. "Virus" comes up 8 times. "Coronavirus" comes up 7 times. I don't think I'm downplaying it.  The October article will have many more instances since that is the month the President was infected.--William S. Saturn (talk) 20:42, 25 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for responding. I did not think to look this topic up under its less common name, especially since its category is named COVID. Glad to hear the topic will be dealt with in more depth in the October segment. Hope this segment comes out before the election (only 7 days to go :-). Cheers, Ottawahitech (talk) 04:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Reply

Sharing photos for verification


(Pinging @Pi zero: since pi is active reviewer, because we need his input later) WSS, have use ever used something like Google Drive/Dropbox before? What are your thoughts on sharing the screenshots and any other document required for verification of OR/Interview via a file-sharing method rather than emails? (Note, we Wikinewsies control and have access to the files on this file-sharing method)
•–• 10:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Yes. I have. I'd have no problem with that.--William S. Saturn (talk) 11:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: how has your experience been, reviewing articles where the screen shots were in email vs on files.? If you would be comfortable as a reviewer, let's use files. -- reason being, when an email with a screenshot is emailed to scoop -- that creates n different copies of the photo. On files., there is just one file and therefore we won't end up using too much storage.
•–• 11:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
WSS, did I create a files. account for you? I don't recall, but if I didn't, I will create one for you. Would you mind joining #wikinews on IRC and pinging me?
•–• 11:20, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Acagastya: So far I think I've only had only about one experience receiving images for review via files. rather than email. It worked fine, once I knew to always view the images by selecting "download" rather than "preview", since the latter had been causing us local memory problems. In the past, I've found it more awkward to use third-party image-sharing sites for review; having everything in-house feels more convenient/secure. --Pi zero (talk) 15:34, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Pi zero: my reason to move to files is so we can avoid repetition of the content. Would it be a problem for you to review if we were to switch from email attachments to files.? I mean, do we need special protocol, for easier access? It may be slightly less convenient as compared to emails, but avoids redendancy.
•–• 16:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
@Acagastya: I think putting images/audios at files should work reasonably smoothly, provided the reviewer is informed where to look for things (which would presumably be via reporter's notes at talk). --Pi zero (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

All right. We should inform ARs what to do. I should create a files. account for WSS soon.
•–• 16:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

On the campaign trail in the USA, October 2020


Published, and before high noon on the East Coast the day before the election (just barely, but for a while there I wondered if I'd have to seriously consider publishing it with some parts missing in order to be at all timely). --Pi zero (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Great job on the tireless effort. I appreciate it.--William S. Saturn (talk) 17:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)Reply



If I might wax philosophical for a moment, Wikinews publication has three ingredients, all necessary like the legs of a three-legged stool. The third ingredient is the organizational machinery, to enable vetted output by guaranteeing two independent sets of eyeballs on each article; which machinery we've worked to preserve here on Wikinews, and which I could go on about but it's not my primary focus atm. The second ingredient is the review; which I acknowledge is a big effort, and it's a logistical challenge to bring review labor to bear quickly when called for. But the first ingredient is the well-written articles to which the second and third elements are applied.

To William S. Saturn, for broad coverage of the 2020 United States presidential election through a series of articles over time. --Pi zero (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)Reply
Thank you very much. None of this would have been possible without you.  I couldn't imagine Wikinews without Pi zero. You truly make this place run.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Re the ORs

Awarded to WSS for their hard work covering US election each month
For doing some of the best works on Wikinews

I should have said it earlier: thank you so much for finding time compiling the campaign trail articles and the wonderful interviews which were interesting to read! I particularly enjoyed Jo Jorgensen's interview (not because I reviewed it) and tbh, the interview with Brian T. Carroll was pleasant to read. Keep up the good work! These are the articles I am proud to have on-wiki. I have tried Interviews this year, and suffered from a fatigue after a point, so I understand how much effort would have gone, to deliver these articles every month. Your articles and your dedication is an inspiration. And therefore, I award you the tireless barnstar for your hard work and the current events barnstar for A+ articles to make Wikinews 2020: An 'Original reporting' year in review. Cheers!
•–• 17:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. I appreciate it very much. --William S. Saturn (talk) 20:47, 7 November 2020 (UTC)Reply

Wikinews 2020: An 'Original reporting' year in review


Hi, WSS. With 30 ORs published this year, we are doing an OR year in review this year (the first one since 2014). If you have some time to spare, could you write brief summaries for those ORs which you have conducted? I would greatly appreciate it! Cheers.
•–• 18:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Reply

Ok. What is the deadline? --William S. Saturn (talk) 20:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
We're really hoping we can publish on-or-by January 1. --Pi zero (talk) 21:42, 28 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
Ok. I'll do it in the next couple days.--William S. Saturn (talk) 00:14, 29 December 2020 (UTC)Reply
It is now published! Thank you so much for helping me out with the summaries, and for the wonderful and quite frankly, very very important ORs for the democracy that you have authored this past year. I really admire your work. Thanks again, and happy new year!
•–• 15:48, 1 January 2021 (UTC)Reply