Wikinews:Requests for permissions/Administrator/Acagastya 2

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With opposing votes, and noting the nominee has pointedly reduced their presence on the project and relinquished other privs, this nomination isn't passing at this time.

Self-nomination: Acagastya (talk · contribs) — admin rights

It has been almost eighteen months since I applied for this right to fight against vandalism. The amount of spammers or vandals has been consistent all these months however, there are increasingly more things to deal with right now -- like making editprotected edits, adding categories to archived articles, clearing the queue of {{speedy}} or {{abandoned}} articles, {{w}}ikifying archived articles, protect articles and redirects, block spammers, and moving pages without a redirect. I agree these aren't the only things an admin should be doing, but to be honest, whenever there is a vandal and I am on site, I have to notify an admin on Twitter, or ping admins on IRC -- most of them are afk at that time, or request a global block. I could prevent those things from happening, and address it quickly. Now, for example, there is a big list of articles to be deleted or wikified or new categories to add in. I am making lists for an admin to do that. Of the many things we are supposed to do, this might not be on the top of the priority list, but I could tackle that list. There is so much work, and I can do that so the overall backlog can be shared to do other things. Right now, if I am granted with those rights, my work would be limited to only those things I have mentioned above. I will not be crossing that boundary since I do not find myself qualified for those (since I am not aware of all the other things one can do -- just like how reviewer rights had something more that I expected it to be.)
acagastya PING ME! 17:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Questions and comments

Question @Acagastya: You mention adding categories to archived articles. We have some ongoing discussions on some kinds of categories, such as about league categories. How would you handle league categories (as a particular example), or these sorts of controversial questions in general, if you had admin privs? --Pi zero (talk) 01:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Pi zero: It is not a straight-froward yes or no question. There are multiple ways to look at this thing.

We thought about league seasons, and if we do that, we have two options. Either a match report goes to league season, or it goes to both, league season and season category. The first way would virtually kill the league category, and it would serve as internal category, because there might not be anything we can add to the category. Stories like "Bundesliga announces team of the season", "XYZ wins Bungesliga trophy", "Bundesliga to make use of Video assistant referee" would be the only things that would go to the league category. Now here is the trouble. Video assistant referee would be one story. Apart from me, there is no [active] editor who would write a football match report. For the last three seasons, Bayern Munich is winning -- the club I support. Yet I could not write even one article about it. Team of the season? I would be surprised to see an article about it. There are very less chances anyone would write that article. Moreover, categorising only on the basis of season seems wrong. It is encyclopedic. Another thing -- 1. Bundesliga has eighteen teams. Each team plays one home and one away match against seventeen teams. There are 306 matches in a season. This number for LaLiga, Serie A, or Premier League is 380. We don't produce five match reports each football season for these leagues, meaning, we might not even reach the minimum threshold needed for a category to exist. And if we are not categorising it under the league, there is no way a reader can find out about match reports, when they visit the league categories. Other news websites categories match reports under the leagues, not seasons. What would we do for the wikilinks to the league categories, if it will be -- something like an abstract base class in object oriented programming? Trust me, everyday, I think about this thing, and find how complicated this situation is. I also need to discuss with you, why you think a league match report should not be categorised under the league category. That might give another angle to it. I do feel that it would be better if we use the season-wise category, for better organisation, but we need three articles for a category to exist. If we do that, next thing to think about it should we do something similar for club categories.

Have you ever wanted to see the list of all articles published in 2013? I don't think it is possible to do at the moment, but it would make a lot of things easy. Like, finding all articles having category:Germany, category:football (soccer) and category:2013 to generate a list of those articles which would go to Bundesliga 12-13 or 13-14 category. Now, think about this, if we had a category called "articles published in 2016", wouldn't we categories India discontinues ₹500, ₹1000 denominations; releases ₹2000 and new ₹500 bills under November 14, 2016 and "articles published in 2016"? Seems a good idea, no? Similarly, if we have season category, and league category, why not add articles to both? [It will solve most of the issues we would face otherwise, but yes, we need to discuss if it is a good idea or not] Since it is a new idea, and we haven't discussed about it, right now, I think it would be the best thing to do. So, even if we don't have enough articles for a season category, it would not be a problem. But there are 619 articles in football category. So, before creating league seasons, and adding it to them, we need to think if it really is the best idea or not. I will avoid adding categories to those articles until we reach to a conclusion. Because if we decide it was not a good idea, it will take hours to revert.

TL;DR I would not to that until we decide this is the best call. If possible, I would like BRS to comment on this issue. He has shared his views for Wikinews' categorisation policy, and would open another dimension to think about possible problems. But I really think league + league season is a good idea.
•–• 18:45, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Question You have informed us that there is no AGF on wikinews , by which I assume you meant to say that Assume Good Faith is not required on wikinews. In that case I would like to ask if you routinely engage in sockpuppetry on wikimedia-owned pages in general and on wikinews pages in particular. Btw at which of your addresses do you want to be pinged? Ottawahitech (talk) 14:44, 15 November 2017 (UTC) Please ping me[reply]

Um, who all are included when you say "informed us"? If you want to know about the unofficial policy of Wikinews about it, here it is: WN:never assume. I did not mean AGF is not required. I just said that there is no AGF on this project, so anyone (in that case, you) could criticise anyone. But there should be some moral/journalistic ethic/news related motive behind it. It is easy to complain about what one did wrong, in that case, you said why I was ordering people, and I think I explained why I do that. (Just in case you want shorter answer, let me give you an example. When we were born, our caretakers would change our diapers when we should shit. But after we grow up, they don't. We are supposed to shit in toilet, and clean. Ourselves. Nobody else is going to do. If you notice, the caretakers would stop doing all the tasks for us, slowly. Same applies to Wikinews. If you write something, make sure you give your 100%. I would not ask a newbie to do everything, I would even rewrite an article for them to explain how it is done. But not for a grown up wikinewsie.)

I fail to see how my RFP is related to my alternate accounts, but yes, I have more than one account. There is even a category for it is you want to see. There should be a tag on the userpage for alternative account, which I did not use for many months, but usage of those accounts are mutually exclusive, and I don't think I should tell you why I had to have alternative accounts -- at least until you establish what it has to do with my request. When not writing an article/working on hierarchy, I don't always log in to my account, when there is something really important thing I have to say, or probably a very trivial tweak to make. I have mentioned this earlier, I do not come from a place where we have uninterrupted or high speed internet connection, and to go and log in would be time consuming at times, since time is the most important thing on this project, and after all, it is a wiki -- anyone can edit. And anyone, who raises issues regarding an article/issue is totally acceptable. This will be hard for a Wikipedian to accept, but IP editors are always welcomed to write articles on Wikinews. (Or if your question was because of my signature, which changed from "acagastya" to a star emoji to a Baymax logo, with "Agastya Chandrakant" making a brief appearance -- I changed my sign.)
•–• 16:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Votes

Oppose - user does not appear to have the temperament necessary to use the bits judiciously. - Amgine | t 18:18, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - user, in my relatively short experience, is combative, inflexible and has a bad mindset for a collaborative project. I would not trust this user with these tools. --SVTCobra 08:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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