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Selecting any of seven stories published on Wednesday[edit]

Right now, we have Theresa May, Nigerian refugee camp bombing, bombing in Maui, Russian guy seeking political asylum, and a dead NASA guy. Meanwhile, the airplane crash in Kyrgyzstan and Manning release are pushed out. All of these are very news-y. I don't know how to select which story is most important. However, I would put the May speech in the top lead because the EU-UK situation is still ongoing and more important. The two bombings and airplane crash are just death stories. I don't know how important the Russian artist is. Manning's release is very political, but I want to replace the Russian guy with Manning. However, that would be seen as too US-biased. I want to replace the NASA guy with Manning's release, but the guy was known for walking on the moon. Maybe the Nigerian camp bombing, but death tolls are huge attractions. --George Ho (talk) 02:03, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

"Just death stories" eww you mean didn't happen in America so you don't care. Sorry if this post isn't in the right place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.28.13.167 (talk) 03:18, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

For my part, I recommend against overthinking the choice of leads. Basically I give everything its moment in the spotlight, usually keep the five most recently published articles unless there's a reason to deviate from that, and try to put an article with current gravitas in the number one spot. Beyond that, well, I've got rules of thumb to help decide where to put stuff, but I try not to get worked up about it. (It's an interesting point that the mobile view of the main page has a fundamentally different layout since the five are presented linearly; on the desktop view, leads 2 and 4 have a certain psychological precedence over 3 and 5 because they're on the left, as English text is read left-to-right.) --Pi zero (talk) 04:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Okay... shall I re-spotlight the Manning release and push the Russian artist out then? --George Ho (talk) 04:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
You need a new story to replace the news about Pyotr Pavlensky. While you can argue that Chelsea Manning's article might be more important than XYZ's article, but replacing the recently published article with an article that is currently sixth in the latest news table with conflict with NPOV. I Don't understand why do you even want to do that? I understand that Chelsea Manning's article spent less time in lede, but this is a news website. You can not stick to one forever. If it was an Original Report, I think it would be still there in the lede template. The US campaign trail articles spent longer time in lede. But it is not the same case. Even I can ask, why do you want to remove Pyotr Pavlensky's article? He used to perform painful acts just to fight for the basic rights of the country. He may or may not be guilty but he has a significant effect of Russia. There will be no end to these discussions. In the main space, we have to maintain NPOV, and for synthesis articles, the queue is the best thing, I would say. First In. First Out.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 07:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
How about ordering dates, i.e. when events occurred? For example, commutation of Manning's sentence happened on Tuesday, while the asylum request and death of retired astronaut happened on Monday. --George Ho (talk) 09:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
FIFO in the order of the publication. There might be a case of two events happening on the same day, but we don't know the time. Better to follow the publication time until there is any OR/ other part of the big event is published.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 09:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Sometimes, there are articles written on the day that event happened. But the article is reviewed on the other day for some reason. If we follow the time when the event took place, such articles would not get a place in the lede. What about them? (a recent example)
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 09:52, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
...Okay. For now, I'll do the publication time for the time being until... the time to make changes is right. Now I'm barely experienced to the Main Page. Actually, I wanted English Wikinews to flourish. I hate to see it stagnate or flounder. If it happens, something could be done. Right? Meanwhile, the request above to unveil the banners is still ongoing. --George Ho (talk) 10:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
By deciding Chelsea Manning's article over death news/ XYZ event, which was published recently, we would reflect that we care about a particular topic more than others (we we do not). And this can be discouraging to those who does not write articles about the events in G7 countries/ BRICS.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 17:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I can abide to NPOV indefinitely... Meanwhile, I am proposing to add two more "lead article" templates at WN:Water cooler/proposals, though the proposal seems to lack some fanfare. --George Ho (talk) 08:17, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

January 18, 2017 has been one of the best days I have witnessed on Wikinews. So many news articles were published, and it feels like a dream come true. But, sometimes, there is no news article for a week. If there are seven lede templates, we wold be offering very old news to the readers. And because of that, we need to switch between the layouts. Tedious task.
Agastya Chandrakant ⚽️ 🏆 🎾 🎬 🎤 📰 08:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Miswrite[edit]

"Malaysian authorities on Friday arrested North Korean man Ri Jong Chol, 46, on suspicion of involvement in the murder of Kim Jong Nam, the half-brother to Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korean leader. He died in Malaysia on Monday morning." from front page should read "the half-brother to Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korea." --Marshallsumter (talk) 16:16, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Done; thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 16:36, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Two stories about Jong Nam's death in the main page[edit]

Shall we have two developing stories about Kim Jong Nam's death? To me it looks awkward. I want to switch the older one with the studies report about homophobia and sports. Thoughts? --George Ho (talk) 22:05, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

@George Ho: I have no objection if you wish to do that; it seems harmless enough. Were we to do that too often, at a time of low output, we might eventually have a problem with needing to de-lead an article so we can archive it, but we're not there yet. And the homophobia report has some staying power, as a lead. --Pi zero (talk) 22:13, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Done. --George Ho (talk) 00:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
To me, having at least two related stories about one event, like Jong Nam's death, on the Wikinews Main Page would affect its balance. I prefer having five different unrelated stories about unrelated events. By the way, how are de-leading an article and "archiving" (do you mean "full protection"?) related? --George Ho (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
@George Ho: Unrelated stories is something not easy to achieve. When I wrote the UEFA Euro 2016 articles, two articles were there in the lede. But when two stories, one with the update on the previous one, like "Manchester United sacks van Gaal after winning FA Cup", and "Manchester United appoints José Mourinho as new manager", we replace the older story with the newer one.
acagastya 07:54, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
Oh... I realize I must distinguish "related" and "updated" next time. I checked Lead #1, lead #2, lead #3, lead #4, and lead #5 at the time of publication. I would consider the UEFA Euro '16 a "category" as the three stories from that "category" were slightly not related to each other. Nevertheless, how do you describe it in your own way? --George Ho (talk) 09:15, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I was aware, when updating the leads, that one article was kind of an update of the other. It was a near thing, which lead to replace; most times I make the other call, and I was probably distracted this time by the fact that our output is slow atm.

Yes, our use of archive is kind of overloaded. The 24-hour horizon we generally describe as "when the archive policy kicks in". However, the verb form, "archive the article", refers to putting the article into "the archives", fully protecting it. The act of archiving an article, of putting it into the archives, removes it from the main page. It is the last milestone that all successful articles must pass in their lifecycle (any particular curation action won't usually be to all the articles systematically). --Pi zero (talk) 12:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)