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Selecting stories as leads (June 2017)

Seems that there have been disagreements on ordering the stories as leads. I thought that 200 deaths is a huge number, but Afghan deaths story is considered the top story. Meanwhile, the Anime expo and the posthumous marriage thing (well, I created it) are considered bigger stories than the death stories, especially in the mobile version. While the "Original report" is great, I am uncertain whether it surpasses the Sri Lanka one. Well, I don't know what readers would like to read first. --George Ho (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Maybe I'll switch the Sri Lanka and the marriage story. How's that? Therefore, the Anime expo is still the second lead. --George Ho (talk) 09:01, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Number of deaths is not an issue. Neutrality must be reflected on the main page as well. But ORs are kept higher in the list, and the other reason to keep that article about Sri Lanka in the fifth due to its length. Lead articles are not the order in which the articles were published. And it should not be monotonous.
acagastya 09:59, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I rearranged the leads, and the changes were accepted. --George Ho (talk) 19:46, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

I seriously thought about rejecting that swap. I almost did. There's a different truck-related incident in the news now, though, so I figured making the other article less prominent might reduce confusion. And even so I almost rejected it, on grounds that the publishing reviewer had made a different call. --Pi zero (talk) 20:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Acagastya, would you like to review the lead selections please. Thanks. --George Ho (talk) 08:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Selecting the top story (6 August 2017)

Right now we have the world's record-breaking payment as the top story. I think Prince Philip's final solo appearance should be in the top lead. Pinging Acagastya and Pi zero for their opinions on this. --George Ho (talk) 06:18, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Simple question. Why? When Pi zero decided to keep that article in Lead article 2, why to over rule it? On Wikinews, Lead article 1 has nothing to do with *the most important event* or *the most recently published article*. (***acagastya recalls seeing Bddpaux's interview in fifth place.)
acagastya PING ME! 06:21, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Reason: We are showing the most expensive buyout vs. one of the royal members of the British head of state, Queen Elizabeth II, who also reigns commonwealth realms, including Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, and also heads the Commonwealth of Nations, which gives some money to India, a former commonwealth realm. Back to the Prince/Duke, he has done royal public engagements, including overseas trips. A retirement is a change in the royal family, which has ruled the UK for centuries, even when their roles are... extremely limited and very ceremonial. Also, on mobile, you have the expensive buyout as the first to see on top. To me, buying a football player into a French team, expensive it may be, is nothing compared to the spouse of the head of state, Elizabeth II. --George Ho (talk) 06:57, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

We are in a fucking democracy. We are not ruled by England. And the lede rank has nothing to do with how many people are affected by the news. This approach is not at all neutral.
acagastya PING ME! 15:06, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Hmm... There is no "Wikinews is not democracy", is there? Ah, well. Never mind. I'll leave the expensive buyout as the top lead then. --George Ho (talk) 23:19, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

You can not edit wikinews with the mindset you have while editing Wikipedia. Lede number is not a rank -- and it is totally not neutral to be biased towards a story. Reviewers think about which story to be kept at which position. And there is no need to create rules which becomes a new medium for people to abuse the talk pages. If Wikinews is not a democracy -- it is obviously not under the United Kingdom. But if Wikinews is, then why should we favour a story from constitutional monarchy?
acagastya PING ME! 16:10, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

It seems possible both of you might be overthinking the ordering of leads. One gets the impression you might even be getting upset with each other about it, and it surely isn't worth that. --Pi zero (talk) 16:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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well I am not the one who has raised the concerns about lede ordering. But it is important not to create rules which are 1. Not necessary and 2. Open invitation for abusers to misuse it.
acagastya PING ME! 18:47, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Well, true enough, we don't want to become a bureaucracy; that's one of the traps en.wp has fallen into. --Pi zero (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2017 (UTC)