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Course instructor rights

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A little slow, but I have granted you course instructor rights. You should not be able to access things via Special:MyCourses. WN:EDU is a training platform for instructors. It isn't great, so any thoughts you have on improving it would be appreciated. We need to develop a student guide, so any thoughts there would be welcome... especially if you would use it for any courses you do in the near future. Beyond that, please let me know if there are any educational support materials you would like created and I can see about doing that. --LauraHale (talk) 13:46, 24 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've just established the page at Education Program:University of Southern Indiana/Online Journalism (Spring 2014) Crtew (talk) 23:42, 8 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Bsgray2

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Good Evening Dr. Tew, I really love your striped sweater. Bsgray2 (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! It's my cold weather sweater with turtle neck look, lol. Crtew (talk) 04:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ctmathies

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Dr. Tew, your sweater is totally rad.Ctmathies (talk) 01:19, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

I love sweaters! Crtew (talk) 04:03, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Decurry

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Dr. Tew, I am excited for this semester! Decurry (talk) 01:18, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Me too! Every semester is the beginning of an adventure! Crtew (talk) 04:04, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

A category for Category:Decurry (Wikinewsie) has been created. We will use this current "red line" link this Wednesday. Crtew (talk) 17:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Dkmarshall

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Thanks for all the help making my wikipedia article great last semester. Sorry I was late for class tonight, my editor asked me to pick up a story last night at 11 p.m. My last source for the story was supposed to call me back today at noon and didn't actually end up calling until 5:20 p.m. :) :) :) :) :) Dkmarshall (talk) 01:11, 23 January 2014 (UTC)DkmarshallReply

I'll look for it in the news tomorrow! Crtew (talk) 04:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Jkthom

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According to my weather app on my phone, it's supposed to be in the 50's on Sunday!! Jkthom (talk) 01:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Oh no, what will I do with my sweater? Crtew (talk) 04:05, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Jjbayes

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You're a gentleman and a scholar!Jjbayes (talk) 01:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

We all try! Crtew (talk) 04:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Jnmornout

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Dr. Tew, I really like your sweater. Jnmornout (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Sometimes it does feel like a runway by the blackboard! I'll try to live up to this high standard, lol. Crtew (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

JustinRLaw

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Did you hear the joke about the sidewalk? It's all over town. JustinRLaw (talk) 01:16, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

LOL Crtew (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Miharris

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Hey, Dr. Tew. There's an article in Arabic in Wikipedia about the Loch Ness Monster. Miharris (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Shukran! Crtew (talk) 04:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Rachristia1

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This is my happy message! Yay!

Clap! Clap! Clap! Crtew (talk) 04:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Rfshipman1

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Hey there, Bobby here! Rfshipman1 (talk) 01:10, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yes you are! Crtew (talk) 04:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Snbehnke

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Hello! It's good to be in another one of your classes!

Likewise. I'm looking forward to seeing your photographs! Crtew (talk) 04:10, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Sskerchief

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My really awesome comment! Sskerchief (talk) 01:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Webmaster! Crtew (talk) 04:10, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Student count?

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Education Program:University of Southern Indiana/Online Journalism (Spring 2014) lists zero students. I'm not sure if someone does, or who might, fill a US-based equivalent role to Toni Sant. If need be, I'll ask around. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

On the Wikipedia site, a template automatically rolls out the structure of the syllabus and on the top left the students sign up through an "enroll" button. I didn't see that. Crtew (talk) 13:14, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
My count will be 15. Crtew (talk) 13:15, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
I saw Laura play around with something similar, but I wasn't sure all the behind-the-scenes stuff got rolled into that (javascript &c.) Do you have a link to a Wikipedia course you're familiar with? --Brian McNeil / talk 13:25, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Yes, here is this semester's course for first-year students. Education Program:University of Southern Indiana/COMM 192: Intro to Mass Communication (Spring 2014) Crtew (talk) 13:46, 23 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

OR documentation

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I remarked on this on the article talk page a while ago, but I think it got removed along with some other things when something got revamped.

If interviews are being conducted by email, although it is good to provide public transcripts when possible on the article talk page, the email should also be forwarded to scoop (scoop at wikinewsie dot org). I mention this since I haven't seen anything related show up on scoop. --Pi zero (talk) 20:08, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the heads up. My reporter who interviewed the museums from around the country will be forwarding email to this address shortly. We posted the notes for Rshipman1 last night. He had this ancient digital video recorder that doesn't allow you download audio. He is used to using it for interviews and transcribing what he needs. I didn't know this until after he transcribed the notes verbatim from his recorder. It's under Interviews at the exhibit. Crtew (talk) 20:23, 24 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

US universities advance Andy Warhol's photography

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I knew there was a problem with the lede, but I think in my initial review comments I misidentified what the problem is. I added to the review comments when I realized that. The confusion on my part shouldn't be possible, if the lede were crystal clear (which is one of the things a lede should be). Review comments --Pi zero (talk) 04:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

New set of review comments, which see. --Pi zero (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Unresolved review query. --Pi zero (talk) 18:50, 27 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 04:13, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
  • Now this is published, I'm really curious to know how the classroom 'post-mortem' goes.
A comment to pass on, for future use of the picture select template to give a gallery, is to crop and resize to minimise jarring transitions. I've taken the simplest approach on this, by simply hardcoding the same width onto all images used there. I also made a few post-publish rearrangements of media layout. Finished piece looks really good, and is hopefully encouraging to students. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:51, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thank you Pi Zero and Brian. It was a very complicated piece to pull together with so much material. We had way more than we put up with so many people involved. But it's a very good example of a multimedia story with most of the elements and original reporting. I'm very curious as to how Pi Zero thinks we can smoothen out the collaboration process. The better the organization, I think, the smoother this is going to be for all parties. We had major glitches with the infographic and we had some other good photos that "were disappeared" (?) (We'll see what happened there.)Crtew (talk) 13:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Please post any suggestions here:

  • Re smoothing review of OR, the two things that can generally be done to help are provide a map to the documentation, and provide lots of documentation. The second seems to me to have been more of an issue in this case.
  • The big picture into which this fits: I keep a copy of the article that I can highlight bits of as I verify them, or as I find there's a problem with them. Typically, I look thorugh the article, familiarizing myself with it; then I look through the documentation, familiarizing myself with it, and when I recall that it bears on something in the article I can hightlight that bit of the article; and then whatever parts of the article aren't already verified by then, I start searching for in the documentation (whose overall shape I now have a sense of).
  • Map to the documentation. In the On the campaign trail series — twelve monthly articles — review was routinely six to nine hours. Each article had a synthesis summary of the month's events, which was written over the entire course of the month, resulting in a sources section with typically forty or fifty items in it; plus a number of separate OR documentation items. However, pretty much every passage in the article had an html comment after it saying which source or sources were used for that passage; these html notes were built in as the material was written over the course of the month, and frankly without them it would have been pretty dire to review, whereas instead it was merely tedious. The other way to provide a map is, of course, to provide visible directory information on the talk page, which was done for the Warhol article; both techniques are useful, probably each has situations where it works especially well (for the sort of summary synthesis in the Campaign trail articles, the html comments worked especially well).
  • Lots of documentation. The aim in journalist's notes for OR is to provide lots more than needed. If you've provided just enough documentation, you should have provided more. Raw material is good, generally the rawer the better (not that it isn't even better, if the raw form is hard to process, to provide intermediate as well, like a hard-to-make-out audio file and a transcription of it). Complete rather than excerpted is good. Context is good. As a minor example that made me smile (in approval) at the time, I recall handwritten notes from attending a sporting event, noting at the start something about the weather (which didn't impact the game) and that they had trouble finding a parking space (which didn't figure in the article either). Although more documentation means more for the reviewer to sift through, it also means that evidence (both direct and indirect) is available for whatever the reviewer is looking for (which needn't be a direct statement in the article). As I might have remarked at some point during this review, it's much more expensive for the reviewer to determine that they can't verify something from the available documentation, than to determine that they can. If it's not there, as reviewer you can exhaust yourself looking all over the place trying to determine that it isn't anywhere; if it is there, and you have some idea where to look (a good map helps there), it can be pleasantly straightforward to verify it.
--Pi zero (talk) 15:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thank you Pi Zero! We will bring these points up in the class on Wednesday. The documentation required is good training for students and should have an impact on their process. Some students last class remarked that they typically throw everything they do away after a story is complete, and we are going to talk about the problem of working without records. What this process involves both stores and fully documents what has been done and sets out good habits that should learned and incorporated as routing. We are also talking about how Wikinews is "radically transparent" in that the notes are there for all to see (with exceptions for privacy). The role of the editor in this process is also illustrated in your comments, as well as the differentiating features of verification and accuracy that makes Wikinews different from other citizen journalism projects. Crtew (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • Our "Radical Transparency" stands as a stark contrast to some of today's phone hacking trial revelations. A reporter, who has already pleaded guilty to phone hacking, narrating a tale of the line between news-gathering/reporting and responsible editorial independence utterly erased; the reporter given a mechanism to 'anonymise' illegally obtained information; the man standing trial in the dock, a former Communications Director for the country's premier, allegedly present throughout this exchange.
Nothing so-sinister applies for this article around obtaining information or sourcing. We've enough trouble satisfying ourselves we've done due diligence, and that's suitably time-consuming. The steep curve on Original Reporting is largely associated with experience working with reviewers, and converging on an understanding of each other's working processes. Stuck between Google's fairly low requirements to be a writing/publishing decision-separated site, and meeting the more-aspirational Reliable source criteria over on Wikipedia; by going closer to the latter, we've — perhaps somewhat ironically — irked some people in that community. My thoughts on that best summed-up as "Marshmellons!". --Brian McNeil / talk 20:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

decat for userspace

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I've disabled the {{develop}} tags on a bunch of student userspace pages (and one or two in your userspace, you'll observe). Hope this isn't a problem; there are other solutions we could persue, but as-is the tag is something of an attractive nuisance since it offers an easy one-click way to submit an article for review. (For example, we could modify the template to give a different message when transcluded in userspace.) --Pi zero (talk) 13:02, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

In addition, {{develop}} sorts pages tagged with it into Category:Developing, a maintenance cat that is designed to be fluid. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 17:26, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, I did not consider that. We had a class exercise last week so that students could edit in class and ask questions. I didn't think of the live categories. Appreciate the heads up on that. Crtew (talk) 18:53, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

News briefs

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That briefs article is getting rather old, especially considering that the last article we published was three days ago — two days before the end of the period the briefs article is trying to cover.

(As I recall, our standard practice was to have a reviewer do a "pre-review" of the script, then it would be recorded, then submitted for publication. There were hopes to provide better support for this process: an alternative develop tag whose "submit" button would lead to a script-review state separate from publication-review, etc., but we didn't actually get that far. It still seems this will be easier to do once I've got a bit further in the general-tool development I'm doing now.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:56, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Since it is just a summary article of stories appearing in Wikinews and one hasn't been done in a while, can we manipulate the date and time period covered? If not, that's also alright. I'm using this first one to lay down a model for my students. I'm expecting to submit it during class Wednesday night. Then they are on teams of two and will work independently to put together an episode. Crtew (talk) 16:32, 11 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

There is now an article published yesterday to summarize. --Pi zero (talk) 12:16, 12 February 2014 (UTC)Reply
Script pre-reviewed; left a comment on the collaboration page. --Pi zero (talk) 14:40, 12 February 2014 (UTC)Reply
The audio file name has "2012" in it rather than "2014", I see. --Pi zero (talk) 03:52, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply
Right, and I messed up after telling my students to "watch the dates"! Can we move the file? I can do that now. Crtew (talk) 03:59, 13 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Note

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I'm probably being more abrupt than I need to be in our discussion in comments-space. There may be different approaches I could take to saying the same things that would be much more useful in turning discussion toward interesting substantive dialog. I guess I've been under a lot of strain lately (both irl and through a disappointing, not to say insulting, decision the WMF Board of Trustees recently made wrt The Wikinewsie Group). --Pi zero (talk) 20:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

Don't worry, I don't take those comments personally. The situation is so different from the American system that it makes me think about fundamental issues from a different perspective. I'm not aware of any Board decision. Crtew (talk) 20:45, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

It is kind of fascinating how differently things are done there and here, isn't it.
We haven't been talking much, or particularly publicly, about the Board decision because we've been unsure how to approach the situation; I suppose in some sense I'm talking out of turn, here. But the board decision is publicly available, has been since late last month, because the minutes from their November meeting have been published on-line. (The Board didn't see fit to inform us themselves.) The very-short version is that they rejected affcomm's recommendation to recognize The Wikinewsie Group. --Pi zero (talk) 20:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

USI professor delivers 'Last Lecture'

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I've really struggled with how to articulate the difficulty I'm perceiving here. It bothers me not to know quite what to recommend as a fix; and of course I'm also feeling bad that I didn't notice this problem when I was looking at it last night. --Pi zero (talk) 15:49, 21 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

[FAC] - Wiki loves the European Parliament in Strasbourg - used in-class

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The comment that you used this as an example in-class certainly intrigued me. The processing I did on the audio voice-over was, ... quick 'n' dirty. :) I had to keep waiting for traffic passing my flat (or noisy pedestrians) to go away; and, to turn off my fridge (open-plan livingroom/kitchen). It certainly wasn't a one-take piece of work, which prompted me to do some rearranging of the spoken paragraphs, and of the video clips.

Presentation-wise, I'm annoyed I found no way to switch back to the old-fashioned embedded video player; the pop-out viewer is a pain.

I'm particularly curious about the general commentary/feedback you got in-class, with the only 'burning' question being — what was the reaction to my articulation? :P --Brian McNeil / talk 20:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

USI professor delivers 'Last Lecture'

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Hi. This article, which unfortunately didn't work out (I keep meaning to solicit some comment on it from other reviewers, as I was never comfortable being the only reviewer involved), I've now tagged for move to userspace. However, I was unsure whose userspace it ought to be moved to. I tentatively marked it for your userspace. Have you an alternative recommendation? --Pi zero (talk) 18:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)Reply

April 20 cannabis rallies

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Brian and I will be attending a big rally in Glasgow, and I've been in touch with some London Wikinewsies to see if they can cover the event there. I'm hoping we can get coverage of these from around the world but unfortunately I haven't found any sign of an event in Evansville (and those who know the US more than I suggest they'd have a tough time organising such a thing in Indiana). Is there anything in the area that students could get to? Google did turn up these people, who might make for a neat tie-in interview. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 15:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Ok, I'll check them out locally. Funny, we have a bunch of "Moms for ... " groups in Evansville. I also know that Bloomington, Indiana has had a "Culture Shock" festival at the Indiana University campus for years that celebrates everything alternative! NORML is always there. It's about 2 1/3 hours from here. Let me snoop around a bit. Crtew (talk) 15:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

  • The Glasgow event has a little under 400 signed-up on its Facebook page. That it's taking place has been given some coverage in local press, so I suspect the turnout will be higher because of that — and many people being unwilling to admit on social media that they're going.
I'm going as the sound engineer for the event, which means getting quality audio recordings won't be a problem (I'm taking my 16-channel digital recording studio/PA system). I'll also be dragging along some of the rest of my reporters' kit, which may be of-interest to students in-terms of how do do video reporting "on the cheap" and without carrying a tonne of equipment. That's a couple of lightweight tripods (£10 each), brackets for these to hold mobile phones (£5 each), a pair of phones that manage 720p video (cheapest, 2nd hand, was £60) and 3 external battery packs to keep the phones running longer (varied in price from £10 to £25 each). --Brian McNeil / talk 08:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
This suggests there's nothing 'official' (in as much as any of this seems to be centrally organised...) in your state. But, the date is synonymous with cannabis; there's likely to be something somewhere. Perhaps the student body can shed some light on any events they know of locally. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 14:17, 8 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
I have a student -- Snbehnke -- who is checking out the Louisville, Kentucky event. She is a very good photographer and works well in a team. Louisville is 125 miles (around 200 km) from us and a straight shot east on the highway. Crtew (talk) 13:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Plan

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I have finished my planned story page. (unsigned message from User:Ctmathies)

Hi! We have an article about your class for This Month in Education at [1] I was wondering if there are any photos you would like to include with the article. If so, please add them. Thanks! Thelmadatter (talk) 17:16, 11 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi Dr. Tew. I'm struggling to come up with a good idea for my story. Any suggestions, or any resources you might be able to point me in the direction of? Rachristia1 (talk) 20:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Watercooler discussion: Possible memorial fund?

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Hi. I started a discussion on the English Wikinews water cooler at Memorial fund in Ashley-Nelson and Adrianne Wadewitz's honor?. I would really appreciate any feedback you could provide. --LauraHale (talk) 15:03, 12 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

The Wikinewsie Group

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I believe your input on this Water Cooler discussion will be particularly important.

What does a university need from an organisation supporting Wikinews contributions? --Brian McNeil / talk 15:01, 16 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

JustinRLaw plan is up

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Hey, Dr. Tew.

I almost forgot to post this but my plan is up for my micro local article and I have submitted my article for review, based on what I have now. I am still hoping for one more source. Thanks! JustinRLaw (talk) 21:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

News briefs: April 18, 2014

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There is an inaccuracy in the item on Cindamuse; she was a long-time Wikipedian, but only became an admin this January.

I'm doing another review, and took time out to check this; there's nothing else problematic in the briefs. If it's feasible to fix, great; if not, have you another thought? --Pi zero (talk) 01:05, 18 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

I edited "long-time". It created an audio glitch and so it's not perfect, but it will be understood.Crtew (talk) 03:41, 18 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. --Pi zero (talk) 04:01, 18 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Iceberg piece

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This caught my eye. It's something I'd like to see the researchers asked a few smart questions about. --Brian McNeil / talk 06:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Image licensing

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Hi there. You have uploaded one or more images to Wikinews in the past, but it is missing important information. All images uploaded to Wikinews require both a source (who made the file) and licensing information: anything that doesn't have both is assumed to be copyrighted and therefore ineligible for usage on Wikinews. Please check your files and ensure that your files fit the image use policy. Images identified as such include, but may not be limited to, the following:

At the moment, those notes are implicitly copyrighted (under the Berne Convention). They need some kind of license to let people know that they can build upon and reuse those files. Thanks, Microchip08 (talk) 10:12, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi Chad

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Wikinews interviews Indiana State Senator Mike Delph .....on this article......the music used in your intro(s).....was that just library music? ....is it freely available? --Bddpaux (talk) 21:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

Status

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This article: Brazzaville picks up the pieces after ammo depot explosion failed to meet FA criteria. Just letting you know. --Bddpaux (talk) 16:35, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Honestly, if I can get to it (which is admittedly proving difficult), and satisfy myself on the matter of review, I'll re-nominate it myself. --Pi zero (talk) 16:42, 10 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Professor Tew.

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Rccovingto

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Hi, Professor Tew.

Rccovingto (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Amsiadat

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What's up, Dr. Tew?

Amsiadat (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Crgolden

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This is Caitlin adding a comment.

Crgolden (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

mmariesmith4

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Hello, I am very excited about graduating in May! Mmariesmith4 (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Jverwey

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Hello, hoping you receive this comment!! Enjoy your night !!Jverwey (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Darkmightyaj

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Hello! I'm really glad to be in another class of yours. Can't wait to see more of this Online Journalism class.Darkmightyaj (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, Professor Tew. Sglammela (talk) 02:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Jrlvaughn

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Hellooooooo!

Jrlvaughn (talk) 02:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Sglammela

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Hi, Professor Tew.Sglammela (talk) 02:44, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Gkstylianides

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Hey Dr. 2, this is Kalli Stylianides Gkstylianides (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Under development

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What is the status of the following two articles — should they be left in mainspace, or scheduled to move to userspace (and if so, whose)?

--Pi zero (talk) 22:13, 17 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Pi, you can move them to my user subpages space, thank you. Chad Crtew (talk) 02:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Done. --Pi zero (talk) 11:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)Reply

Userspace drafts

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Hello. I realise you haven’t been active here for a while but wanted to ask what your plans are for the following drafts in your userspace:

There’s no immediate hurry but please could you let me know if you are still working on them or if we can delete them. Cheers. --Green Giant (talk) 18:44, 2 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello again. It’s been over five months since the above message. The pages will be deleted today. If you need any of the text, I will be happy to temporarily restore them for saving. Cheers. [24Cr][talk] 20:04, 15 January 2022 (UTC)Reply

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