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-- Wikinews Welcome (talk) 23:46, 15 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Two things

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First, although I really do appreciate your intent, with your further work on the zoo fire article, I'm reviewing it — with an {{under review}} template at the top that requests folks avoid editing it directly, instead leaving a note on the article talk page.

Second, I'd wanted to alert you to a possible difficulty, that new contributors to Wikinews sometimes get into: submitting a second article before getting feedback on the first. The first article is usually a massive learning experience, and there are apt to be problems that come up during review (it's very unusual for a first article to pass on the first review). So it's a major advantage, going into a second article, to have already gotten feedback on the first one. --Pi zero (talk) 22:21, 16 December 2018 (UTC) Ok thanks!Qwerty number1 (talk) 22:42, 16 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Urk! Please don't edit the article while it's under review. --Pi zero (talk) 22:53, 16 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

I've done the review. A solid first submission; I did all I could, it needs some additional work from you but I do think we can get this published. See my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 00:22, 17 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Pi zero: Ok, I thought that only meant content. Sorry, Qwerty number1 (talk) 08:14, 17 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Congrats on getting your first article published! (I'm guessing you've see the review comments and edits during review; if not, do take a look. :-)

I figure on tackling the Australia article next, btw, so the Theresa May piece may wait a bit (unless another reviewer picks it up). --Pi zero (talk) 18:48, 17 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Theresa May article

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Oops. I didn't mean to rename the article without leaving a redirect; that can cause problems, if somebody else is editing the article at the time, as the wiki software then won't warn them that the article has been moved when they go to save their edits. Sorry about that. (We can fix the mess if it happens, but life is simpler if the problem doesn't arise.) --Pi zero (talk) 18:44, 17 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Article creation forms

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It looks as if you didn't use one of our article creation forms for the Prague article you've written. Is that a mere oversight, or is there some difficulty with that form? (If there's any difficulty with it, we want to know.) --Pi zero (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Pi zero: What is a article creation form? Qwerty number1 (talk) 11:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)Reply
An input box where one can type in an article title and then click a button, typically labeled "create an page". There's one like that on page WN:WRITE. (I tried to think where else we have them; we often say they're "scattered around the site", after all. There's one at the top of this page, Howdy message, right-hand tab. Also, Wikinews:Newsroom; Main Page; Wikinews:Article wizard.) --Pi zero (talk) 12:26, 18 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Ahhhh... I think I used it before, cannot remember if I did it with the Prague one. Pretty sure it worked. Unsure how I could have done it otherwise. Is it an issue with me doing it like that? Still Qwerty number1 (talk)( but at 12:32, 18 December 2018 (UTC)) (feeling confused if I did use the box).Reply

I always use WN:WRITE when I write articles (not that I do so often). It takes care of some basic formatting that's, well, simple enough once one's used to it, but easier to have provided. --Pi zero (talk) 12:57, 18 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Ok,Qwerty number1 (talk) 12:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

A general observation

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A couple of things to keep in mind.

  • Each article is a learning experience; yes, the first article is generally the single biggest hurdle, but there will continue to be more things to learn with each article, that it'll be easier for everyone if one learns before making some mistake repeatedly.
  • We have limited review capacity. Depending on circumstances, reviewing may take longer, perhaps a lot longer, than writing it did; and often (though not always) I'm the only active reviewer doing full reviews. Especially well-written articles are lots easier to review, and when I'm in good form I can maybe review two shortish well-written articles per day. (Lately, alas, I'm often not in such good form.)

--Pi zero (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Pi zero: It's OK, you, and the rest of the team, are doing your best. Qwerty number1 (talk) 15:31, 18 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Re: Six members of illegal neo-Nazi group sentenced in England

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Where was the court where the event occurred? Could you please include this in the first paragraph. Let me know if you need any help. --Gryllida (talk) 07:18, 19 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida:added Birmingham crown court

Also published. See the review comments, of course, and the article history. --Pi zero (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Six members of illegal neo-Nazi group sentenced in England

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There are some minor, and some major issues with the article. Minor ones like the style of date (WN:DATE) and number (WN:Number) are certain things which once noted, you can remember for ever. However, the way to form the article, and citing Wikipedia--that is something I can not fix as an independent reviewer, and you would have to get that done. Oh, by the way: did you read the inverted pyramid structure?
•–• 12:17, 20 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

WN:PYRAMID might be something you should go through. While I appreciate your enthusiasm, and frankly, I can't seem to recall any newbie submitting articles at this rate before, I would advice you to go through the edit history, and also reading the WN:SG, little by little. You will learn a lot by writing, and observing how the reviewers or other editors handle certain things, however, if you keep on writing and not see the edit history, it may turn out to be very difficult to improve.
•–• 12:21, 20 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Missouri deer poacher ordered to watch Bambi every month

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Looks as if the learning value of this is going to have to be its legacy; I'd really have liked to get that story into our archives, but, well. Review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 22:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Gatwick

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Since coming back to this project I've been pushing out some articles in order to get Wikinews some degree of output for the present. I'm painfully aware that a byproduct is the Gatwick story you've been working so hard on is liable to go stale. Again. Don't despair, though; I think the material already there is a really solid foundation and with the situation continuing to update there's still plenty of scope to produce and publish a really great article. I hope either tomorrow, or Wednesday after I finish work, to roll up my sleeves and get stuck into helping it be the best it possibly can. After all, the amount of effort you've put into this one really does deserve to be properly recognised. BRS (Talk) (Contribs) 00:06, 25 December 2018 (UTC) @Blood Red Sandman: Well, they haven't even caught the people responsible!Qwerty number1 (talk) 15:46, 25 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Obscure point re pinging

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I'm not sure pinging in an html comment is picked up by the wiki platform; however, linking to a user page in the edit summary does ping that user. --Pi zero (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2018 (UTC) Ok!Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:41, 27 December 2018 (UTC)Reply

Happy New Year, Qwerty number1!

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Wish you the best health and the best of luck with writing and with learning new languages.

--Gryllida (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Multiple articles

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It looks as if you and Darkfrog24 are working separately on articles about the same event. --Pi zero (talk) 13:12, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

All well and good to me. I didn't have time to bring a draft all the way to review yesterday, and it looks like Qwerty has put a lot more work into theirs than I have into mine. Feel free to cannibalize the one I drafted. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Darkfrog24 (t · c · b) Woah! What! Soooooooooooo sorry (pls dont say not proper English). Didnt notice this, but just went to prep. articles section., 'cos I had to abandon it their after trying to make one about it startingQwerty number1 (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Actually, you did the right thing. Once I took a look at the article you were working on, I saw it was the one we all worked on a while ago. You were updating it. I incorporated some content from my draft into it. There's a little time left. Perhaps it will pass review. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

Published. Congrats! Please see the review comments and detailed history of edits during review. Substantive changes are only permitted for the first 24 hours after publication, per WN:ARCHIVE. --Pi zero (talk) 19:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Tens of thousands protest against talks in Spain

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Hi. Some concerns, not-ready on review; see review comments, history of edits during review. --Pi zero (talk) 14:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Hi. Published. :-)  Review comments; detailed history of edits during review.

Some things to work on:

  • I realize "use your own words" can be frustrating to hear, but, it's one of those things that gets easier with practice (which I say after a lot of practice). You want to develop a writing technique that, amongst other things, doesn't involve copying and then modifying. (I really do need to find a way to complete the essay I've been writing for several years on how to do this sort of thing.)
  • For news, the more substance the better. On a death, some quotes are good and can be illuminating, but only go so far. I remarked about this in my review comments. Ask, what is the most important information about this event, that we might be able to report to our readers to help them be more informed about it? We use, as our basic house style, an inverted pyramid, so the more important information is, the earlier in the article it should be.
  • There are, of course, background tasks you'll get the hang of after a while; like wikilinks, categories.

Glad to see you keeping at it, continuing to progress. Cheers. :-) --Pi zero (talk) 16:14, 17 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Gryllida

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My guess is, Gryllida set that page up as part of testing a facility for emailing experienced Wikinewsies the moment someone creates a new article, so they can hopefully provide feedback to newcomers very promptly. --Pi zero (talk) 17:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

You are right, Pi zero.
I've deleted the page now as I am done testing.
Qwerty number1, you are welcome to sign up at User:Gryllida/welcome a bit to test message delivery. Gryllida (talk) 20:05, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Has focus problems; review comments. (I'd hoped to get to it about eight hours ago, but, alas, not.) --Pi zero (talk) 21:19, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Saudi Arabia says the crown prince is not attempting to buy manchester united football club: Here are the sources filled in

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*{{source
|url    = https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47276467
|title  = Manchester United: Saudi Arabia prince Mohammed Bin Salman denies takeover bid
|author = 
|pub    = BBC
|date   = February 18, 2019  <!-- in the form of MONTH, DATE, YEAR, example: May 10, 2017  -->
}}
*{{source
|url    = https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-saudi-manchester-united/saudi-arabia-denies-crown-prince-seeks-to-buy-manchester-united-idUKKCN1Q70DI
|title  = Saudi Arabia denies crown prince seeks to buy Manchester United
|author = 
|pub    = Reuters
|date   = February 18, 2019 <!-- in the form of MONTH, DATE, YEAR, example: May 10, 2017  --> 
}}

--Gryllida (talk) 21:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida:Thx; you seem to have worked out I write the article and then remember to do the sources!!!Qwerty number1 (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
No worries Gryllida (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Saudi Arabia says the crown prince is not attempting to buy manchester united football club: Five Ws in the first paragraph

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"Bin Salman, aged 33, is not trying to buy Manchester United, according to Saudi Arabia. Allegations have emerged, despite the owners saying they do not want to sell, that the Saudi prince wants to buy the club."

This seems lacking a bit of context. The 5Ws are not fully elaborated. Perhaps consider this version instead:

Saudi Arabia denied rumours of Mohammad bin Salman, the Crown Prince of the country, wanting to buy Manchester United, an association football club based in Manchester, England. Turki al-Shabanah, the media minister of Saudi Arabia, has expressed this denial on the official Twitter account this Monday.

In October 2018, the owners of the club said they did not want to sell."

If you could find the Twitter link it would also be great.

--Gryllida (talk) 21:50, 18 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

I guess the phrase "The owners of he club have also stated they will not sell the club." is from October last year and does not belong to the first paragraph, or even if it does, in any case the specification of the month and year should be added? --Gryllida (talk) 03:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Saudi Arabia says crown prince not attempting to buy manchester united football club: the third paragraph

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"This Sunday, The Sun (United Kingdom), claimed that he had made a takeover bid of £3.8-billion ($4.9-billion). They said the bid was first submitted last October, but Jamal Khashoggi's death stopped it happening then."

I think it may be difficult to read a paragraph that has a 'he' in the first sentence. Perhaps replace it with the name or the position name of the person instead?

--Gryllida (talk) 03:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Saudi Arabia says crown prince not attempting to buy manchester united football club: headline casing

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I suspect the 'manchester united' part is a name and both words should begin with an uppercase letter. This may be fixed by renaming the page. --Gryllida (talk) 03:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

I can see you're continuing to improve, and this was an interesting story I really wanted to get published. A slew of factors converged, and all together meant we missed the freshness window, with no one thing to fairly pin it on. Review comments, history of edits during review. --Pi zero (talk) 08:02, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

staleness

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Hi. The staleness call is something for reviewers to make; best let us deal with it. Happens that, after an initial session earlier this afternoon, I was just getting back into reviewing it. I've got a little under two hours to finish with it, and may yet manage to do so. --Pi zero (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Pi zero: I seem to be getting confused because the sources said the last source was writen on the 18th (fresh for 18,19,20).Is this bad maths, or are the rules different? Qwerty number1 (talk) 22:07, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply
The usual discretionary period for freshness is 2–3 days after the event. Here the event took place on the 18th, so two days after would be the 20th and three days after would be the 21st, today. We generally interpret it in terms of calendar days, which means a reviewer might choose to count it fresh without raising eyebrows as long as it's still Thursday UTC — for another hour and three quarters. --Pi zero (talk) 22:15, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Ok, thanks. Qwerty number1 (talk) 22:26, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Re: welcome-a-bit

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Hi Qwerty number1,

Thanks for signing up! I've set up the list page, the script will see it and send you a talk page message shortly. As you have no topic preference, there is only 'Developing' category on it, which includes all drafts marked with the {{develop}} tag.

Your first message will be a list of what's currently under development in the topics of your interest. The future messages will only contain newly created submissions.

Please let me know if there are any issues with this message delivery. It is designed to encourage the recipient's involvement in helping newcomers, but simply testing the message delivery and reporting bugs would be greatly appreciated!!!

Again like mentioned at my talk page, please remember to read the three documentation pages, talk with authors at their talk page, be light, and only edit the article content after the author asks you for help or walks away. Gryllida (talk) 23:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Over 80 die in fire, Draka, Bangladesh

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Hi Qwerty number1 :-)

Could you please rearrange the sentences in this story to include 5Ws in the first paragraph:

I think this would make reviewing a lot easier. Please let me know if you need any help with this.

--Gryllida (talk) 09:12, 22 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Talk:Over 80 die in fire, Dhaka, Bangladesh

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Talk:Over 80 die in fire, Dhaka, Bangladesh here at the talk page are several items that need fixing. Just in case you have not yet read these messages. Gryllida (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Article received a not-ready review; review comments, detailed history of edits during review. --Pi zero (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2019 (UTC)Reply

Paragraph length

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Re Nine jailed over grooming in children's home

I think it is better if one paragraph is 2-3 sentences long, could you please try to do that? Please see this link for hints about the article layout.

--Gryllida (talk) 03:52, 1 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Published, but please see the review comments, the detailed history of edits during review, and in this case also the interesting discussion on the talk page of why we should probably avoid the Daily Mail altogether as a source. --Pi zero (talk) 01:26, 3 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Long sentence

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"After the recent plane crash, the Boeing 737 MAX 8 has been banned from flying over several countries, including the USA, Canada, France, Egypt, Thailand, Hong Kong, Kosovo, the Lebanon on Wednesday joined Australia, South Korea, Singapore, China and Indonesia Germany, the Netherlands, Ireland and the UK." seems too long, perhaps splitting it would be nice

157 dead in Ethiopian Airlines crash

--Gryllida (talk) 19:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Filled sources

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*{{source
|url=https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-12/ethiopia-airlines-crash-which-countries-have-grounded-the-737-max-8/
|title=US and Canada join growing list of flight bans on Boeing 737 Max 8 jets after fatal crash
|date = March 12, 2019
|pub=ITV News}}
*{{source
|url=https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/boeing-737-max-suspended-in-uk-airspace-by-civil-aviation-authority/ar-BBUFMID?ocid=AMZN
|title = Boeing 737 MAX Suspended In UK Airspace By Civil Aviation Authority
|author =  George Bowden
|date = March 12, 2019}}

That's the first two. Feel free to use them if you like.

Although it suggests the event might be stale as of today, unless new developments occurred. --Gryllida (talk) 19:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Found new stuff about families being given soil, not the remains. Qwerty number1 (talk) 08:13, 17 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

5Ws in the first paragraph appear to me missing. Who made this announcement and when would the soil be given in the future? --Gryllida (talk) 09:20, 17 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Re: welcome-a-bit (March)

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Hi Qwerty number1

It has been several weeks after you signed up for the 'welcome a bit' notification. Does it work for you? Did it help you with editing new drafts? Do you wish to continue receiving the notifications?

This month I have identified a bug in DynamicPageList extension, which prevents me from excluding archived articles from the initial results. This has been addressed by suppressing the first notifications continue to work as expected.

I see you may have received some notifications twice, in the case when one article belongs to two categories which are interesting to you. I hope to fix this by the end of this month.

Do you have any suggestions for improvement? Thanks, --Gryllida (talk) 04:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: It works really well, but perhaps make notifications appear on sub-page, since otherwise, it fills up talk pages quite quickly.

Thanks, Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:00, 20 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, for this suggestion. I was originally using personal talk pages because the new messages on them are a lot easier to discover. I'll implement message delivery to the /wab subpage of your personal talk page and then update your configuration accordingly, and let you know. --Gryllida (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Another option is to have my script automatically remove messages which were delivered over 7 days ago. I am not sure whether this would be a good solution, or you still would like to see these messages and remove them yourself. Gryllida (talk) 01:14, 21 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Gryllida: Thanks! This may be hard to implement, but could it be coded so pages that are

  • red links (have been deleted)to
  • published

Are deleted? reply

Thanks for your swift reply,

Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:29, 23 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. Firstly I am working on avoiding duplicate notifications. If this works well I will make a release of version 2 this month, and your suggestion may be included into version 3 next month (I will need to sort the suggestions and decide which ones of them go to version 3 and which ones go to version 4). I will keep you updated.
If you have any friends who are programmers or know Perl, please let me know. I would be glad to speak with them and help them get started with improving this tool. Gryllida (talk) 01:01, 25 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Technical trick

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When leaving a template on a user talk page and signing it (such as {{howdy}}, or {{spamblock}}, or the like), you can put the template and the sig on the same line, but then don't put a space between them. Putting a space between them causes the signature line to come out in typewriter font. --Pi zero (talk) 13:05, 24 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thousands march in anti-Brexit march, London

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I've queried you on the article talk. --Pi zero (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

Reply sent. Thread continued on article's talk page

Mothering Sunday article

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I left a few comments on the talk page. It does (topically speaking, at least) have a bit of potential, but needs MUCH MORE material to pass review. --Bddpaux (talk) 15:57, 3 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

(welcome a bit) bug fix available for testing

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Hi Qwerty number1

You wanted to easier remove the notifications from 'welcome a bit' tool in the case when they are delivered to your personal talk page. A script is available now to facilitate this. If you add

importScript('User:Gryllida/js/wab-talk.js');

to your Special:MyPage/common.js, then at the end of each section which was added by 'welcome a bit' there will be a large blue word 'Remove'. It prompts to delete the corresponding section in two clicks. Please let me know how it works for you, and whether you would like to see any improvements.

--Gryllida (talk) 04:44, 10 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Published. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 00:39, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Congratulations Qwerty number1!!! This sort of thing is (luckily) a rare occurrence, I think... Gryllida (talk) 03:32, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yeah. There's the article, and then there's the story the article is about. --Pi zero (talk) 12:29, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply


Oops, bug

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Hi Qwerty number1

Unfortunately in the case you start from the top, the 'Remove' button was working incorrectly: its counter was not updating, and it removed several legitimate sections from your talk page. This bug has now been fixed, and the script should be working correctly now.

I've restored these legitimate sections, as well. Please check whether I've restored anything that you wanted removed.

Sorry for this! Thank you a lot for testing this thing out.

--Gryllida (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

?Didn't notice this, but I trust you. I was thinking, yep, I am really picky, that the 'REMOVE' is very long on the title part for the section. It may just be an issue with tablets and phones, but it takes up some room. Apart from that, it is great! Thanks, and sorry to bother you over a wonderful tool, Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
PS. Also, anyone can delete these, even if the user wanted them kept, I went onto your page and did NOT actually delete, but checked if I could press remove (and then I went 'no' for the next'. Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Filled sources

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Here they are:

*{{source
|title = May condemns ‘truly appalling’ Easter Sunday attacks in Sri Lanka
|pub = MSN
|date = April 21, 2019 <!-- someone check date please -->
|url=https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/may-condemns-truly-appalling-easter-sunday-attacks-in-sri-lanka/ar-BBW8Wb3?ocid=AMZN
}}
*{{source
|date = April 21, 2019 <!-- someone check date please -->
|pub = BBC
|title = Sri Lanka attacks: More than 200 killed as churches and hotels targeted
|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48001720
}}

If this is correct, copy paste them HERE. :-)

--Gryllida (talk) 21:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, and happy Easter! Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Or should I say 'Христос воскрес!'? Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Or is that really bad Russian?Qwerty number1 (talk) 21:20, 21 April 2019 (UTC)Reply
Воистину воскрес!
(That was a correct greeting, by the way.) Gryllida (talk) 04:44, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

Re Over 200 dead after attacks in Sri Lanka

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Hi Qwerty number1

This story has been written a while ago, and new events may have occurred. Could you please check? If so, and if someone updates the article within the next several hours, its likelihood of publication may increase. --Gryllida (talk) 04:29, 24 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

review comment. --Pi zero (talk) 18:13, 27 April 2019 (UTC)Reply

{{date}}

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Somehow, this article you submitted had a {{date}} template with no parameter. That should not ever happen. The template should always have a fixed date; the fixed date is updated at the time of publication, by the review gadget, to reflect the actual date of publication, but when you submit the article the date template should reflect the time relative to which you wrote it. Otherwise, it's harder for a reviewer to figure out what was originally meant by "today" or "yesterday".

Are you using one of our article creation forms (such as the one at WN:WRITE)? Those article creation forms put in complicated-looking wiki markup for the parameter to {{date}}, with afaik a comment telling the writer to just not touch it, and when saved it'll simplify to the actual date on which the page was created. --Pi zero (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2019 (UTC)Reply

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