# User talk:Ironiridis/5

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Archive 1 Archive 2 Archive 3 Archive 4 Archive 5 Vandalism
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## Archived

For the period of time where I returned all of a sudden for no reason, ascended magically to admin again (?!) and then proceeded to rain terror akin to fireballs from the skies on random unsuspecting anonymous users, see Archive 4. irid:t 22:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

## Whoops

You're right, fixed! Thunderhead - (talk) 03:14, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

## Nice page

Scared of collaboration? Maybe that is why you protected it, >admin<.

Some context might be of help to the uninitiated. A wise thing once said by MrM was that taking anything out of context is not a good thing. I don't think we have a good thing going here with my stupid remarks and the offense it bestowed on you. The point I make is crude, and you are rightfully offended by it, ( I would be too). I am sorry for that.

I will always take the position that what has to be said, needs to be said. If it fell on you, it wasn't personal. I don't want to bust in on your "facade", and I do recognise that I have been taking some extremely bad positions here with shock talk. Maybe I'll live to regret that shock treatment, but I'll never live to regret having at least the interest that you and others have shown around here. Regards. -Edbrown05 07:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that there is no way to collaborate on vandalism. Please; if your apology isn't sincere, don't bother typing it. Since you have such an interest in my talk space, I'll leave you to find this message here. irid  00:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I was just goofing off. Expect that. -Edbrown05 07:12, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Do you really think wikimedia should just shut up and go away? They don't contribute anything. -Edbrown05 07:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Sadly, if you will lay the burden of proof on me — expecting me to enumerate all of the things that Wikimedia does contribute — you won't get it. I don't have the time or patience for you. irid  17:42, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment - that felt good! I need to take a break from writing the article and I think it would benefit from other eyes an hands. Plus, I have my interview with Tom Tancredo tomorrow at 1:15 and I need to bone up for that. Have at it guys. --David Shankbone 02:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

## TY

Aha, that's what I did wrong - I noticed it and reverted it myself almost right away (not sure if we edit conflicted or whatever), but couldn't figure out why it deleted all that, figured I'd just carelessly hit keyboard buttons - but you're right, I was reading the archived view of it when I hit "edit". Sherurcij refusing to add Original Reporting until PD Articles are allowed 03:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I have just removed the @ and replaced it with <at> on the nebraska senator sues god story's comments so you have less chance of being spammed. Hope this isn't a problem. Thanks Symode09 06:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

ah, stupid me - the comment wasn't signed :p srry :) Symode09 15:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

## Late edits

Hi

I remember you volounteered to help out with late edits I was requesting to articles. Had less time to check for such things lately, but I have created a cat which needs placed on a couple. If you could stick Category:Nightwish on Nightwish announce Anette Olzon as new lead vocalist and Nightwish announce details of new album, it would be much apreciated. Thanks! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 18:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 17:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

## Hi

Yes I work as a Ranger for half the year in YNPCaverbrien 03:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

## Since you're there...

I wouldn't mind some input on the mess - I feel it's inappropriate to be having a conversation indicating that he's leaving because I used the term "wtf", and then keep removing any attempt I make on his talk page to convince him it's not personal, I want him to stay and help improve WN...but I gues then I don't look the stereotypical "big, mean, internet troll that made me cry". When I try and de-escalate anything, "a certain admin" seems to just want to keep things a battlefield and just jump into the "fray" himself - rather than actually try and "talk things out". rolls eyes.

page history, since there's a 'revert war' over whether or not I'm allowed to speak

I figured since you're there, aI know you have no reason to be biased in my favour (I was the one who told you not be a dick and call the FBI on that Comment-page user who said he'd like to kill underage rapists - I defend my position, though of course, understand where you're coming from as well. I think it was overreaction, but whatever, people don't always agree) - you might be able to offer me, and/or the conversation, some words of wisdom. ("Try to be nice" doesn't count, think of something more valid ;) ) Sherurcij 01:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

## Hrm

So, I was poking around earlier today, and ran across an article that is/was up for speedy deletion (depending on when you read this :D)... which got me to thinking about your offer to possibly nominate me. Do you think that the community would be receptive to someone who isn't as particularly active as, say, Matt (who is currently up for adminship)? I'd want it primarily to be a gnome, which is what I do everywhere else, but WN is the only place that locks down articles after a certain amount of time, meaning that the sysop bit would be all the handier. Just kicking the idea around, I suppose. EVula // talk // 01:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

## Away

I'm having a series of meltdowns, sadly. Work is breaking my life. irid  18:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And I'm back. And better. Sorry for the Houdini act. I need one of those wikistress things. Heh... irid  23:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

## Main Page Redesign

Nah, but thanks. I'm going to try and design a navigation section for articles and see if I can come up with a decent one. --David Shankbone 18:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

## Userpage Sharing Project

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## Ed and ageism

I was just trying to be light-hearted as I thought old-age dementia (senility) surely would be a few years off for Ed. But how old do you think he is? (I also replied at WN:AAA.) --SVTCobra 02:20, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree, no more on WN:AAA. I hadn't seen the grandson comment on his talk page. However, that sentence is pretty hard to understand and might well refer to some idealized notion of old age or "going into the sunset." I agree with over 40. Given the photo is has meta-data to 2005, I think 65 is at the high-end, but certainly plausible. However, to suggest this as an age for senility to set in is a bit aggressive, imo. I am no researcher, but in my family, I have never seen anyone fall prey to it before age 75. Most recently, my own grandmother has "lost" it, but that was not until she was 91. Oh, crap. I just gave you enough info to deduce that I could be as old as 50 and thus a candidate for dementia (Trust me, I am not that old). --SVTCobra 02:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and by the way, I didn't realize that Ed and this mess was up for WN:ARBCOM consideration. I didn't mean disturb these proceedings and hope that I didn't. --SVTCobra 03:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

## User:Cometstyles

He can delete stuff because he's probably a steward (or a developer). FellowWiki Newsie 21:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Cometstyles is a member of meta:SWMT which is some kind of vandalism swat team. Maybe they have sysop privilages, I don't know. --SVTCobra 22:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
User:Darkoneko gave him temp adminship [1]. The full list of stewards and people with steward power is here. --Cspurrier 16:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply...too much wikis to protect :P, I was just walking through..yes I was temporary sysopped to clean up a vandalism spree with Adambro since no sysops were around, sorry for the misunderstanding.. :) ..-- 01:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

## Template:SS

As a user of this template, I would like to notify you that I have proposed it be deleted. Please see WN:DR where I've outlined a number of concerns about it. Regards. Adambro 00:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

## Other

Commons:Image:Rapid Axis Vector.svg Hi, could you please correct the spelling in this image - 3rd column, physiological instead of pysiological. Thank you.

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## Signature deletion warning

Please be aware that I intend to delete the signature template {{ss}} which you use per the deletion request. I'd also note the comments at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11414 by one of the WMF developers, Brion Vibber, who says that "templates are disallowed in sigs" in response to the suggestion that no being able to use a template signature is a bug.

I'd therefore ask that you immediately update Special:Preferences to remove the template from your signature. By using this template, you have noted that having long signatures as part of a comment can be a nuisance. I'd therefore suggest that you greatly simplify your signature and carefully consider whether multiple links and different text styles really are appropriate.

I will delete the template after I've run my bot through the pages which it is used and substituted it to maintain the signature as per the template. Adambro - (talk) 19:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

## Can you edit [2]?

Hi {}. I wanted to edit this article, but it's protected. Can you edit it for me?

Here is what I need done:

There is a part of this article which is completely bad mathematics, and it confuses people trying to understand the controversy. This is the part that refers to mathematical analysis.

There are two issues that most people confuse, that is the definition of an operation and another the continuity of it. For example, while one can define 6/2 = 3, it makes no sense to define 6/2, to be the limit of x/y when x tends to 6 and y tends to 2, because that involves the procedure of computing the division function for other values, for which a definition by limit would turn the definition to be cyclic.

In this regard, the definition of division is very clear. When b is not zero, we define a/b as the unique number c if a = b*c. We make this definition so that f(a,b) = a/b be a function, that is the inverse of the operation of multiplication. This means that we always want a/b to produce a unique result. That is, to produce a result (which is defined as one consistent with the multiplication rule), and to not to produce two results.

Any division by zero, is an extension of such function. This means two things; namely, to extend the domain of the function (that is the sets of numbers on which such function operates), and to define a unique value to such number pair. For example, one could extend the above function f so that f(1,0) = 0. In order to make this point clear, I will use the notation "F" for the extended function, and notation "f" for the old function. So we have said that F(1,0) = 0, and F(a,b) = a/b, when b is not zero. As an extension, the domain and values of "F" are arbitrary, as long as it is an extension. One confusion happens because we use the old notation for the extended function, namely, in our example, F(1,0) = 0, could be written as 1/0 = 0. Of course, this is confusing, because the notation on the left of the last equation (1/0), has a meaning (the unique number that...), so writing 1/0, is deceitful.

Could we have an extension of "f" that is meaningful? Absolutely!. This is done in a case by case matter, not as an absolute definition. For example, we could define 1/0 = 0. If we want to respect all properties of the old theory, we would have to accept that a/0 = a*(1/0) = a*0 = 0, so that any number divided by zero would be zero. However, this leads to inconsistencies immediately. for example, 1 = 1 + 0 = 1 + 1/0 = (1*0 + 1)/0 = (0 + 1)/0 = 1/0 = 0, so that 1 = 0.

Another confusion that people argue is the extension of division by zero as a limiting process. They try to make division by zero meaningful, and in the article, they cite that analysts want this. This is again a process of extension of a function, and not of definition of division. Let me give two examples. Consider the function h(x) = x/x. This function is defined for all numbers x, such that the denominator is non zero, that is for x not equal to zero. For all those numbers x, the function takes the value 1. One could use this reasoning to argue that 0/0 = 1. However, again, this is a problem of extending the function h, not the function f(a,b) = a/b. In this case, the extension of the function h can be done so that the extension be continuous (by defining h(0) = 1), or could be done in any other way, say h(0) = 27. This does not mean that 0/0 = 1, nor 0/0 = 27, but that the extension of h takes that value, and is unrelated to the fact that for other values h is computed by division of two numbers.

A second example is the function t(x) = (x^2)/x. Again the domain of this function is the set of x such that x not equal to zero, and for those x, t(x) = x, so if we were to extend this function using continuity we would have to extend it as t(0) = 0. This does not mean that 0/0 = 0. The point is that we extend the function t, nothing more.

These two examples show that f(a,b) = a/b can not be extended continuously to the point (0,0), so while the function f can be extended at (0, 0), its value can not be defined in a way such that continuity of the function be preserved.

While many commentators can make comments on what is 0/0 in analysis, as in the sentence "Commentators have pointed out that in the field of mathematical analysis, \frac{0}{0} (which Anderson has defined axiomatically to be Φ) is the limit of several functions", those are just comments and are not good mathematics. The first example, f(x) = x/0 is bogus. It is not a function. The second example is a f(x) = 0/x enters into the same class of examples that I pointed out earlier. The other examples, f(x) = sin(x)/x and f(x) = (1 - cos(x))/x, are interesting for a calculus student. The justification that those limits are 1, or 0, respectively, do not follow from their Tailor series, rather the opposite is true, their Taylor series follow from these facts. In fact, these are simple ways to extend the mentioned functions so that continuity be preserved (in fact, more than that is preserved in these cases, so they constitute very important examples in analysis).

Since I was born an Analyst, later raised a geometer, I can tell you that 0/0 has no special meaning in analysis. 0/0 is better left undefined, that is, do not extend the division function and use the same notation of the extension. For calculus students it is an undetermined form of some kind of limit, which may or may not make an extension continuous.

My recommendation is that all that section of the article be removed. It lacks on accuracy, as that analysis is completely unrelated to the original problem of defining meaningfully division by zero.

Thank you for your attention. If you would like to contact me, please do so. My e-mail address is chappa@washington.edu, and my name is Eduardo.

Have a nice day.

Thanks. 72.178.217.156 17:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

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## Can you edit Template:Source?

Hi Ironiridis. I wanted to edit this template, but it's protected. Can you edit it for me?

Here is what I need done: For a typographic improvement, to change "[{{{url}}} {{{title}}}]" by “[{{{url}}} {{{title}}}]”.

Thanks. Diti (talk to the penguin) 16:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

## Can you edit COPY AND PASTE ARTICLE NAME HERE?

Hi Ironiridis. I wanted to edit this article, but it's protected. Can you edit it for me?

Here is what I need done: need it for drivers ed article

Thanks. 12.208.80.210 00:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

## Can you edit US Supreme Court rules DC gun ban unconstitutional?

Hi Ironiridis. I wanted to edit this article, but it's protected. Can you edit it for me?

Here is what I need done:

stemmed from a lawsuit brought by police officer Dick Heller against the Washington, D.C. city government

corrected to:

stemmed from a lawsuit brought by special police officer Dick Heller against the Washington, D.C. city government

Thanks. 70.145.245.140 15:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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## Can you edit COPY AND PASTE ARTICLE NAME HERE?

Hi Ironiridis. I wanted to edit this article, but it's protected. Can you edit it for me?

Here is what I need done: <!i seen a tasmanian tiger in toronto scarborough but it's hair was lighter coloured... 25 other people saw it... what do i do :S -->

Thanks. 74.12.96.220 01:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

## Can you edit COPY AND PASTE ARTICLE NAME HERE?

Hi Ironiridis. I wanted to edit this article, but it's protected. Can you edit it for me?

Here is what I need done:

I NEED THE GRAMMAR DONE !!!

Thanks. 121.72.79.214 03:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

## Request category addition to articles

Hi can you take a look at the edit requests I've made. Thank you. --Wordbuilder (talk) 15:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Skenmy took care of it. --Wordbuilder (talk) 14:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

## Can you edit 5 hurricane dean articles?

Hi. I need Category:Hurricane Dean to be added to five different dean articles, to facilitate access from wikipedia.

Thanks. Jdorje (talk) 05:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)