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Mobile frontend[edit]

Following up User_talk:Jon_(WMF) just checking do we have consensus to disable minerva (this) entirely, and for mobile users replace it with the mobile-friendly Timeless skin ([1])? The monobook ([2]) or vector ([3]) skins are not that mobile friendly.

For those who do not have a mobile device, test on a small size of browser window, i.e. resize it to 400px width and 600px height and this is approximately what some mobile users will see. --Gryllida (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

You could just go to en.m.wikinews.org in that case.
•–• 07:59, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
@Bawolff:: perhaps you could please read the talk page of Jon, and this section, and somehow clear all of this up? I'm not up to speed on this. Thank you! Gryllida (talk) 10:18, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure i see the relation between User:Jon_(WMF)'s change to minerva's stylesheet and this section. I'd note, i think its unlikely that WMF will agree to change the default mobile skin to Timeless, even with consensus, for brand consistency reasons. There was a previous disagreement about using Timeless on frwiktionary [4] and the end result is that WNF refused to switch the skin. Bawolff 18:06, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

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@Bawolff: Even I did not realise, but here is a before and after link Jon left on phab. Search for "Thank you @Jdlrobson. I will have a look." It is right above that.
•–• 18:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

It doesn't look nearly as bad in my browser as it does in that screenshot link. Bawolff 03:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

List of comments[edit]

  • Proposed this change, initially (without seeing relevant discussions) I support it. --Gryllida (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I am deeply concerned about the unwarranted proposed changes. The mobile site was minimalistic -- just displayed the lede articles, not much. I have some screenshots:
  1. timeless (right scroll) on mobile screen. Ugly, horrible. I oppose using this.
  2. monobook Oh dear lord! Please no! It is just not readable.
  3. vector It is not good for phones. It has too much going on to distract the reader.
  4. Minerva -- after the changes Gosh no! That does not look optimised for mobile devices.

None of the above looks optimised for mobile devices. I can't access how the old Minerva used to look -- but I tried to recreate it.

  • this and this is roughly what I recall the mobile site used to look like. It was simple -- did not have much distraction -- something I liked when I read from a mobile device.

Timeless is not mobile-friendly. Minerva was. And it would be really good if we keep it that way. A strong oppose to timeless, or for new changes. @Jon (WMF): could you please tell us what is responsible for the main page to look differently, and how that can be undone, for it to look like how it was before; I would greatly appreciate that.
•–• 08:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Such an advanced answer from someone who uses mobile for more than a minute a day. What is your screen size? I've not seen Timeless scroll like that. Gryllida (talk) 10:55, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
In your browsers, if you do right-click, "Inspect"/"Inspect element" and click on the button left of "Element"...(see, on firefox, it might not be next to each other, but look for the icon), you can see things on a mobile screen -- you can set different dimensions of different phones. In the ss of timeless skin -- you can see on top, it is set to iPad. For 320x568, see this.
•–• 11:47, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
For the record, opened mobile frontend today morning and immediately went to timeless because I wanted to see the recent changes and they were not there. Gryllida (talk) 20:19, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Please see before and after here. Scroll down to the comment with timestamp "Fri, Jun 5, 9:01 PM".
•–• 11:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
How is this related to 'recent changes'? Gryllida (talk) 10:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Never said it was. I had attempted to show the difference in the above comment, and it was about that.
•–• 10:20, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Internal Error[edit]

Attention: users who are getting Internal Error when trying to access Special:RecentChanges (RC).

Why: You have a saved RC filter. It is a known issue on Phabricator (see phab:T253098). Per "Majavah" on #mediawiki IRC channel, "since yesterday some watchlist settings cause it to crash". They also said "actually sometimes it affects other users, but overriding all settings via the link works somehow".

What can you do: Please use w.wiki/Tjf -- it overrides the filter by explicitly mentioning configuration parameters in the URL.
•–• 08:57, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #2[edit]

20:36, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Browser diff viewer[edit]

Hi -- this is something that @Gryllida: and other reviewers may find helpful. Instant visual diffing in the browser. It may not look the best for you on the current screen -- but since it is under MIT license, customising it to our needs should not be a challenge. How you want to use it, I leave that up to you.
•–• 11:54, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Equals sign parser function template conflicts[edit]

m:Equals sign parser function template conflicts. This wiki is affected by this issue. Alexis Jazz (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: Thanks for the heads-up. I've eliminated all use of {{=}}, and nommed it for deletion. --Pi zero (talk) 17:16, 4 July 2020 (UTC)