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PageAssessments was not installed

Following up from https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Water_cooler/technical/archives/2025/June#Propose_to_install_Page_Assessments_extension_at_this_wiki

Please see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T407051 and assist with understanding why not, and whats next. I did not get it and would appreciate your help.

Cc @Ternera @Md Mobashir Hossain

Thanks. Gryllida 11:01, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sannita_(WMF)#Help_requested Gryllida 11:06, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Asked42 if you have ideas how to generate semi-automatically a page like User:Gryllida/Newsroom, it would help a lot with reviewing, for me. Would be great to have a option to edit event date and status summary from each page, and compile a report somewhere like I was doing manually at that page (and provide a facility to go tag all untagged pages with their event dates and statuses). Hope that is going to be helpful - would be great to implement please ... Thank you 😊 -- Gryllida 10:17, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

With only javascript, some parts of this idea are achievable but it is not entirely possible to make it fully automatic. This means someone or a reviewer will still need to tag the pages manually. The dates and comments for each page could be stored on a JSON page, from which the report can be generated.

All that said, I think it would be helpful to hear what others have to say about this idea. If implemented, it would be a significant change and would require considerable time and effort. There should also be a discussion about whether this should be implemented as a user script or a gadget. --Asked42 (talk) 12:43, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Asked42. I disagree about additional effort. Now it takes me 30 mins to compile the report including copy pasting links to headlines. With the tool implemented my time would reduce to 10 mins (or less, if someone, prefilled it for me), and the other 20-30 mins would become free for reviewing.

I think the Event dates need to be entered manually. A tool can suggest, but a human needs to fill it in. Please let me know what you think. Gryllida 07:22, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

By "considerable time and effort," I mean additional work for the developer creating the script. If the script is developed but not used by anyone, that effort would go to waste. -- Asked42 (talk) 07:32, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

To expand, the tool is most useful when multiple users use it to tag pages. If only one or two users use it, it will still be helpful, but its overall functionality and impact will be limited. -- Asked42 (talk) 07:35, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida: I have prepared the tool, Taglet. Documentation is available at User:Asked42/Taglet.

This tool allows any editor to tag a non published article with an event date, assessment categories, and a brief comment.

After installing the script, the report page can be accessed at Special:TagletReport. From the report page, you can delete a tag from an article, tag untagged articles, update tag values, and more.

Before publishing, a reviewer must remove the tag from the article (this can be done from Special:TagletReport). Automatic tag removal for published articles is not available yet. -- Asked42 (talk) 08:56, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

The tag data will be stored at Wikinews:Taglet/data. The content model is not JSON, but the data is stored using JSON syntax. --Asked42 (talk) 08:59, 4 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, will be tested as soon as i came back to senses, as i have some issue with my brain last 3 days or more. Gryllida 10:14, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

Was looking for it will lose again as I am barely coming back now, here is a mark for my future reference: User:Asked42/Taglet. Will be testing in next day or two. Gryllida 09:39, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

First impression, amazing. First obstacle, can it please show, whether the page is in review queue or developing queue, as one of items in columns or link color. As it seems to include both (which is good). Awesome tool, super productive. -- Gryllida 09:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Should the Developing or Review status be shown in the dialog, or on the report page? For the '&' issue, I will also take a look. -- Asked42 (talk) 14:14, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Report page please. Gryllida 10:01, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Done: Each row of the tagged table will have a different color based on its status. I am not adding the status as a separate column because I think it would make the table too messy. Using highlighted colors seems like a better approach. -- Asked42 (talk) 19:42, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Bug: entering '&' in tag comment, it shows as 'amp;' on the special report page. Gryllida 10:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

That issue has also been resolved. -- Asked42 (talk) 14:49, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Is there a bot that handles abandoned articles?

Looking in the Wikinews:Newsroom, I see among the "collaboration requests" India vs australia, a one-sentence article with no sources. User:BigKrow tagged the article as "abandoned" on November 2, which I think was reasonable. But even though the "abandoned" notice says, "This article is incomplete and has not been edited recently, and is considered abandoned. It is to be deleted 2 days after this notice was added (See history for date of addition), if work on it does not resume", the article is still here and not deleted yet. There have been no edits to either the article or the talk page since November 4. -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:45, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

No. Admins handle all the deletion of articles. An admin will eventually get to it. We have a few who are active. However, those who are reviewers also, have additional roles to fill in addition to the reviewer tasks. I think with the ongoing debate about our WN:Freshness guideline and WN:PROD, some admin may be holding back on deletion in some cases, out of courtesy for those discussions.Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 14:00, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

That's fine, I agree that it's preferable to prioritize other tasks such as reviewing. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:11, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I just went through and deleted a few. I left one in place due to an ongoing discussion in the talk page by another admin about saving the content. Thanks for the heads-up. Often other contributors will post in WN:AAA to ask for deletion and we do have a non-reviewer admin who often lends a hand when asked there. 👍Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 15:18, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Metropolitan90 i think it would be good if there was a automatically generated table with columns: headline, date page last edited, date talk page last edited, tick box. After selecting a few tick boxes a button 'delete'. I added a task request for it at phab:T410250 you are welcome to subscribe. Thanks Gryllida 09:37, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

software feedback request like ArticleFeedbackv5

• • Feature summary** (what you would like to be able to do and where):

make feedback easier

• • Use case(s)** (list the steps that you performed to discover that problem, and describe the actual underlying problem which you want to solve. Do not describe only a solution):

for end users to comment

• • Benefits** (why should this be implemented?): more motivation to improve site if feedback was provided

spec:

button to leave comment about site or about a news report page. posts to either article talk or a water cooler

code from before:

was code:

https://ru.wikinews.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0:Gryllida/js/feedbackstuff.js

suggested to Wikipedia

was told jQuery is obsoleted

Need to either install it anyway here, or upgrade and then install. Gryllida 10:09, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

phab:T410263 -- Gryllida 10:10, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Taglet engagement query

Hello,

The issue now is that nobody is tagging pages with event dates and I still have to do it all myself. Could we please get a few volunteers to help?

1) Visit User:Asked42/Taglet and follow install instructions

2) Visit Special:TagletReport, scroll down, tag any pages which do not yet have a tag. That is approx 10 mins a day.

I am happy to put up a leaderboard and maybe competition, as whoever doing it may eventually be great at reviewing. For top 5 taggers I can send t-shirts once a year at my own expense unless/until someone else finds how WMF can sponsor this.

Regards, Gryllida 01:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

cc @Asked42 @Wikiwide @Cromium Thanks Gryllida 01:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

P.S. and/or ask users to tag when submitting for review Gryllida 01:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

This is the major issue with such a tool. I think I mentioned somewhere that this could happen, though I don't remember exactly where.

The tool is most effective when multiple users are using it, tagging, resolving issues on articles, and keeping everything updated. The more users it has the better it will perform; with fewer users, it may lose its purpose. -- Asked42 (talk) 07:33, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Even with a single user it works very well for me. It generates the report which I would otherwise need to make manually in a wiki table. Even now, this process is twice as efficient as it was before. Hope it is possible to get more users involved, it is such a nice tool.

Could users be requested with adding event dates when they submit their report for review? Gryllida 08:09, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Software request to make wikilinks less confusing for new users

Hi, new users have to learn to use {{W|Foo}} for pages which are only in Wikipedia and [[Foo]] for pages which are in Wikinews. That's confusing. Could that be improved somehow. Talk:Belfast has an interesting edge scenario discussed about this which the software would have to account for, somehow. Consider also that most users have crappy internet. Please let me know what's desired or what exists to help with this. Gryllida 03:26, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

bug report for taglet - feature request - 'stale'

In addition to 'quick fix' 'rewrite needed' etc, suggest to add tag 'Stale'. Then article is shown in report, but is striken out, so that it does not clutter the view. Maybe?

Issue: around 40% of entries are manually commented as 'not news' and are distracting. Gryllida 09:01, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida: I can add the stale assessment criteria. For the "not news" issue, what could be the solution? Maybe we can add a checkbox during tag creation like "Not news, no need for tag", and if it's checked the report will ignore such articles and not show them. Do you have any other ideas? -- Asked42 (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

It can probably automatically suggest 'stale' tick when event date >5days by providing it and highlighting it in the list. No need to add too much paperwork.

Also, if it is time to mark article as abandoned or stale and it is not marked as that already, provide a tick box to mark it as that at the time of adding the tag; based on time of event, and time of last edit to article and its talk page, and it not being in Original Reporting category. Gryllida 09:32, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Added some modifications to detect abandoned/stale articles. The report will now show a small "abandoned" label next to the title, ignoring Original Reporting. If the article is already in the abandoned category, the label will be shown directly next to the article. -- Asked42 (talk) 14:44, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Software catalogue

Hi :-) Is there a page detailing all gadgets and install instructions used at English Wikinews; if not, could it be made at, for example, Wikinews:Software catalogue or something similar? Gryllida 09:57, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

You can check Wikinews:Gadgets and Tools. -- Asked42 (talk) 12:57, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Great thanks Gryllida 09:34, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Eyeballing capacity

Some pages get an input from another user or reviewer, but original author or contributor walked away and isn't looking though sometimes maybe still online at a laptop. Could there be something that helps to glue the users to Wikinews until story is published. I found having a separate web browser from work/home/hobby, just a separate browser with Wikinews always open in it and not closing it, helps tangentially. Not sure what else could help. Gryllida 09:34, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

taglet feature request

Please add an option to share with another user in wikitext format. Button "Copy report in wiki markup" would probably work. Gryllida 11:57, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

request feature to show article length status for developing articles

This response (argh!!) suggests it would be helpful if 'developing' template showed a line like 'Article is 34 words long', word count updated automatically, and if it is too short, colored number '34' in red. Gryllida 07:08, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Gryllida BigKrow (talk) 12:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

bug report about 'copyedit an article' button

I clicked it and it took me to https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._Congresswoman_Marjorie_Taylor_Greene_vows_to_stop_using_%27toxic%27_rhetoric which is tagged with {{abandoned}} now button 'Copyedit another article' is missing. :-( Haha. This story is pretty bad, is not new, maybe I can edit and maybe not, so would be good to have another such button to keep going to next article in the list. cc @Asked42 Gryllida 09:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Implementing this new feature to copyedit another article in a row would require more work and time. I would like to wait for the Board's decision about wikinews before making this change. I will still see what I can do to achieve this. Also to clarify, this is not a bug though. -- Asked42 (talk) 15:03, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

It is a Special:Random in category, that's how English Wikipedia does it for drafts, they have a 'next draft' link in sidebar. I hope you are comfortable continuing to contribute in the case Wikinews hosting is moved elsewhere like Miraheze, as that would at least be my intent to stick around, I believe. Gryllida 20:47, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Request for change to ezpr2

Hi @Asked42

Suggest a few changes

1) Template about successful review: suggest making it more like a text than a box. I can't stand the box just my personal preference. I would suggest text like 'Hi USERNAME, article has been published. Please view the (LINK history) and (LINK talk page) for information about changes made during review, as they may help you with writing your next news report, and also you may be able to modify the story within up to 24 hours after it was published, if needed.

Here are other articles if you would like to help editing them: (link to newsroom) You may also want to help with assessing new pages: (link to 2-3 paragraph info page about Taglet for dummies)

(Custom comment from reviewer)'

2) As per above, ability to enter a custom comment from reviewer to provide it to users, this may be different from the review outcome comment provided on article talk

3) Ability to tick which users to notify, as there may have been multiple users who edited an article before it was reviewed.

4) same as comments 1 to 3, for 'Nope, this page is not ready' outcome of review.

Hope this makes sense, and I am curious to know what others think also.

Regards, -- Gryllida 20:46, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for these suggestions and feedback. I think we can summarize points 1 and 2 as allowing the reviewer to use a custom message for the author(s). And for point 3, listing all users who have made more than one edit on the article (excluding minor edits). I will implement these changes in a few days. -- Asked42 (talk) 07:39, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Done: I have implemented both of the suggested features. Now all users who have made more than two edits to the article can also be sent notifications. Reviewers can also write custom notification messages if they want. The custom notification message will replace the notification templates. I will update the documentation soon. -- Asked42 (talk) 10:40, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

request for statistics information

Given that at a request for reviewing permissions one note was that the user needs to respond to messages at talk pages, could someone please compile a list of users who are not already a reviewer who were chatty at talk pages within the last year, based at least on pages which weren't deleted. Separate breakdown for: User talk pages, Wikinews talk pages, and Main namespace talk pages. Thanks, Gryllida 02:30, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

Page protection

i saw [1] but no page protection, so i protected it. helps to manage drive by spam and also a news is not supposed to be edited after archival unless 'correction'. please advise if this was not needed. thanks Gryllida 04:20, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

It was already protected: Special:Diff/4878093Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 13:47, 11 December 2025 (UTC)