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Thanks for stopping by SVTCobra

I guess the news content on your home page is about this (--><--) broad. Best regards, Edbrown05 01:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Stock Market

Its interesting that barely any stories about this stock market plummet are being written. It's been in CNN continuously as well as the front page of several large news papers for 4 or 5 days running. It's implications about the power of the Chinese economy on Western markets is huge. I've been writing about it on Wikipedia, but mainly on Canadian coverage. w:Portal:Current events/Canada. Mkdw 23:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Oooooooh.... pretty buttons....

Thank you
Thank you
Thank you for your comment on my recent RfA! My RfA passed with a final tally of 12/0/1, and Cspurrier promoted me tonight. It feels great to have support from my fellow Wikinewsies. Thanks again for your support, and feel free to come to me if you need anything. Thanks!


Why does it Matter?

Why does it matter. That doesn't change anything. Your making it sound like the Iraqi military is the only one saying it. And if you look here [1] it says it is the Multi-National force press information centre.

But that source talks about the killing of US military personnel, not general Bagdhad violence. --SVTCobra 00:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Reply
Oh, and please sign you comments. --SVTCobra 00:14, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Dude you need to calm down

You take this way too seriously, they are all talking about the same general thing. Maybe the kuwatii source got it right saying they were all the multi national force and the other two were wrong becaus eit was just some iraqi general saying it. The 13TH 4POSTLE


Thanks(Carlitos 00:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC))Reply

Baghdad casualties

thanks for catching that difference b/w the IBC and Iraqi official toll, that was a big miss on my part. it'd be great if we can find a n independent toll for the Baghdad area. –Doldrums(talk) 09:25, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

i did in fact sift through the IBC daabase and weekly reports for Baghdad casualties. u can see details on the article talk page. so you won't find "393" in the source. IBC is not described in the article as either neutral or independent. article makes it clear they work from media reports. there's nothing in the article that makes it seem IBC is more or less accurate from other sources.
am not particularly swayed by the arguments about IBC's methodology, possible bias, expertise and reliability of their sources, the same arguments can be made for the official Iraqi source as well.
i took a quick glance at the sources listed for the casualties i've tallied, i see only mainstream news sources. does IBC use the sources that you are not particularly happy about for any of the incidents i have tallied? and do you have any reason to doubt those sources for those particular reports? –Doldrums(talk) 17:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Reply
no probs. it's good to vet each other's work. that's how an important mistake such as my original Baghdad vrs. all-Iraq tally get caught. i saw ur 183 tally and took another look at the database, came up with 200 again. VOI is Voices of Iraq and Al-Shar is Al Sharqiyah TV, according to the key to the sources.
incidentally, [2] is an excellent source for more background, though it doesn't appear to have Baghdad specific data for the time-period we're interested in. best–Doldrums(talk) 20:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

Unproposed article headline

"This is a guideline for proposing an article. ...--SVTCobra" I did see that page, and quickly determined that I did not have time to propose an article. I was getting ready to depart when I saw on the main page an alternative as follows:

"Start a new article ... To report on a news event, check if it is already being covered. If not, write a quick brief or enter a good headline below to start a full article."

I entered the headline as it says. Now, if that's wrong, and just entering a headline isn't welcome, then the main page needs to be clarified to reflect actual policy. Milo 01:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

RE: I haven't laughed...

Lol, it honestly took me a long time until I found out about that template, and I haven't laughed that hard about a Wikinews idea since. Glad it brightened your day!  Thunderhead  ►  01:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)Reply


ill be honest, i wont create one, i think this hole iran us uk scandal is nonsense to get all the UFO and peace activity that has been going on... i really dont believe this nonsense anymore and i wonder why it keeps getting published as breaking news hehe *wink* but i will be more than happy to add the infobox into the article if someone else creates it (:O) -Nima Baghaei (talk) 16:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

iran capture of uk personel info box

the map in this infobox is not as far as i believe correct - this shows a different area of incident. i have contacted the author of the map for his opinion but i was wondering if you had any objcetions to me removing the map. (it's also a bit ugly but thats not the point ;) --MarkTalk 21:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)Reply

I, Doldrums, hereby award SVTCobra the Wikinews Trophy for his work on Wikinews Shorts, keeping up Wikinews coverage of events around the world.

solomon islands

your right! just created it! (:O) -Nima Baghaei talk · contributions 14:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Mobile phone use.

No need to be as formal as to call me Mr McNeil. :) I'm going to take a look, last I saw the article didn't clearly say there was an outright ban - and I did read a couple of the sources. --Brian McNeil / talk 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

The inserted comment by you was apparently Ed, he has an odd sense of what is appropriate, and - you know - if you were one of our accredited reporters it would have got past everyone. Original Research is allowed here, and that means you can propose a conclusion based on sources you find. Your comment merited adding to the story, but it needs correctly attributed. We can do "Wikinews contributor, Joe Bloggs concluded that report Foo suggested that activity Bar did not increase incidence of Fuzz". As long as it is a conclusion someone else could trivially come to from the sources you can do it. In this case I suspect you did. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:05, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
Ed does not have an odd sense of what is appropriate, he fully appreciates it. The odd sense Ed has is what is possible, therefore he does it for sake of experience. Yeah, deeper research could have done, so take away my accreditation, or check whether the community is mindful. I think the ball is in your court on this mobile phone story. If you don't grab it, maybe I will. -Edbrown05 19:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
speaking from the hip, quoting authoritative sources on stuff like what the law says is better than quoting a Wikinews editor on what she understands the law says (unless of course, she happens to be an authoritative source on law to begin with). for things that can be easily verified, i don't think we shld be substituting original research. –Doldrums(talk) 19:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


You just pointed out that I was wrong when I renamed Ahmadinejad pardons British navy personnel to Ahmadinejad to free British navy personnel. Sorry. I'm assuming your online now, so if it seems appropriate rename it back to pardon. I literally just created a Wikinews account to do that (I mainly edit on w:Wikipedia). Once again, sorry. --Jatkins 14:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

No problem. And since Iran accused them of espionage I think pardon may be a good legal term to use. The is nothing wrong with using free in the headline either. I just felt it was unnecessary to make a change. --SVTCobra 14:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
We cannot use Pardon unless sources can be attributed to him saying that in quotations. If he did not physically say pardon then we cannot use the word as it implies that the troops did something wrong. DragonFire1024 21:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: UK naval crew describe their capture and detention by Iran

Thanks for the "thumbs up"! Cheers, Jcart1534 01:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'm done

Its in the newsroom , thanks for the editing tag tip. Change the title so that it best suits the article. I couldn't come up with one.

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02:10, 10 April 2007 (UTC) Is their a cheat sheet of codes/tags/commands anywhere for wikinews cause i can't find it.

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02:15, 10 April 2007 (UTC) All right, but see if there is any way to delete anti american rally article i made up. I got bored and never got around to startin it.

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04:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Houston Fire - Thank you

Thanks for the revisions to the article. I've learned a lot from them.--LtlKtytalk | contribs 03:53, 10 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

RFA Vote change

Thank you for notifying me, it appears he accidently changed mine instead of his. I am keeping it at support simply because it appears that my RFA will be successful, and i would like Zach as another sports admin if it continues as is. Thanks again —Dark_Squall 00:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Very, very, very, very, very sorry. It appears that I accidentally misclicked. Didn't mean anything. :-)  Thunderhead  ►  00:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

You may want to see the response to your opinions @

--Symode09 02:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: Inactivirty

Not really an official vote, just saying "Support". :-)  Thunderhead  ►  03:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

UN genocide exhibit

Thanks for cleaning up my second news article UN genocide exhibit removed and put on hold after Turkey objects. I wrote it as a manual "transwiki" of w:UN Genocide exhibit, so its great to see it has been published while I was asleep. Jayvdb 22:46, 12 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

re:Pakistan army involved in NWFP battles

It is my usual habit to respond to messages first when coming "on-wiki", and then looking later. I do see what you mean after glancing at what you point out in Shorts. I was unaware, until now, of the South Waziristan developments reported there.

I missed a few strides last week in my usual wiki involvement. Then every Wednesday and Thursday are always my "hell" days in what I do for a living... so I am not ususally very involved here at Wikinews then. Sorry I missed it, because the PAK army involvement does relate to the Hakeem interview. I'll be looking at it now. Best regards. -Edbrown05 07:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Happy birthday

Happy Birthday
Happy Birthday

Bawolff 17:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Happy birthday mate!—Dark_Squall 19:21, 13 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
I thank you both. --SVTCobra 20:46, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
A little late, nonetheless, Happy Birthday! –Doldrums(talk) 21:50, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply
I thank the 'late' well-wishers as well. --SVTCobra 00:18, 17 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Use of {{QuoteLeft}}

QuoteLeft is intended to be used to highlight a section that is in the article, so can you work the quote into the article? Yes, it may seem like duplication but that's the idea, you have a decoration that intrigues and encourages the article to be read. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:31, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Noted. --SVTCobra 20:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Informative story names

Hi. Sorry for mixing up football and baseball. When I see a meaningless story title, I try to improve it. To avoid having the story title improved by someone clueless like me, just use a story title that can be understood by those in Canada, the USA, Ireland, England, India, the Philippines, Australia, and New Zealand. Bill3 11:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Comment by Sysmode

Dear SVTCobra, I sincerely apologise if I have been difficult - I didn't understand why, could you please give some tips as to how the article can be improved?

Symode09 16:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

A question about your edit to the story on the Supreme Court overturning the stay on the Partial Birth Abortion ban

I had put in a link to the Supreme Court web page that had the link to the full decision on this case, which I read to use as a source. So I'm wondering if it is considered the norm on WikiNews that the Cornell website is considered to be "more" difinitive of a source than the Supreme Court's own files?

Chuck 21:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


Please see my talk page and the admin alerts page. Thanks. FellowWikiNewsie 00:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Could you please log on to the Wikinews IRC channel for further discussion? Thanks. FellowWikiNewsie 01:08, 20 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: User:Symode09

No I didn't check... archiving is not a perfect process, apparently.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Dear Cobra,

In order to clarify what I have previously said, my mum's work did not buy the rights from MSNBC, ABC or NBC. They bought the rights to use the story from reuters to use the story. This is not the same as buying a story to read. This means they are part of a syndicate where reuters will be paid for writing stories which other members of the media who pay a subscriptioin can use. My mum's work, pays reuters to be able to redistribute, republish, and use in any way they deem neccesary. This means, if they would like to publish it on their site (the same as MSNBC in the US) they can. That is what I am doing. I am publishing the stories on wikinews.

Since then, I have also been notified that all news stories, are licenced under Creative Commmons. It is this which has persuaded me to retract my previous contributions - I no longer am publishing these stories. On the grounds I was working off at the time, (not considering CC) I stand by what I said. Thanks —Symode09 16:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

NO, the agreement allows the stories to be used in any way whatsoeverSymode09 18:04, 20 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

It is pretty obious you can't resell it! Reuters would go out of business but, you can distribute it to whoever you want! I'll try to get a copy of the licence or the webling so you may read it. BTW, where do you work to get reuters channel 3.3 - my mum's work doesn't get channels. Symode09 08:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

kk, thanks! (oh, even though we don't agree on the whole reuters thing (well, not everything) far out, your put up a good arguement! :p

Oh, if you don't know, I'm a student in Australia (not all of us can be jerks)

Symode09 16:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


Meh, I misunderstood the reading, I thought it said, if there has not been any recent edits within 36 hours it could be archived. But that's my bad. Sorry --TUFKAAP 22:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Why did you mark my image as copyvio?

Why did you mark my image as copyvio? It isn't a copyvio. I just uploaded a file for a reason. I was created a news article about site maintenance (it's true}. ElTigre0546 02:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hey, just a small favor. Could you unprotect the categories at User:Zachary/Sandbox so I can update them with the CalendarBot? Thanks, —Zachary talk 02:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ooops, I meant to post this to Bawolff. :P Nevermind! —Zachary talk 02:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hey there, you left a note on the article Football: Cristiano Ronaldo takes home both PFA awards asking about what the PFA is. The PFA stands for the Professional Footballers' Association. The awards are voted for by the player for the players. There is also a PFA voted on by the fans. I think i should add this into the article, possibly as a second paragraph to give that information. Also, Ronaldo has now won the fans PFA as well.—Dark_Squall 18:44, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Putin story

I've published, good point I should have done so before but it would have resulted in a big edit conflict as I was writing a pretty extensive story. I'm leaving it for a moment to give you and others a chance to copy-edit and merge, then I will expand it further.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)Reply

Another one for your trophy room...

I, Steven Fruitsmaak, hereby award SVTCobra with the fiercely-yearned-for Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence for excellent achievements on outstanding articles. If you keep it up, you'll inevitably join the club of wikinews-addicted admins really soon.16:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

appreciate your effort to cleanup and publish Kentucky faith-based agency under fire for religious coercion. –Doldrums(talk) 06:21, 5 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for expanding, revising, sharpening the article. Felt like a gift to see it after my sabbath break. I was also concerned about the single source problem (and I also searched alot). That's partly why I added the Iowa piece, which at least sheds light on the phenomenon. Thanks again, this is exactly the kind of collaboration/help that I would hope to find in wikinews. Blum 06:17, 6 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Tanker truck fire causes collapse on Oakland Freeway

Specifically this rather curtly commented revert: [3]. Help me out here. It doesn't violate Wikipedia cite rules (it's unlikely that someone is going to challenge it) and I don't see something so egregious about the addition that requires a complete removal. - Richfife 20:59, 7 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I am sorry if you felt I was being curt with you. Wikinews articles are not to updated continually. Once an article is 24 hours old, nothing should really be added to it. If you want to update what is going on with the collapsed freeway you should write a new article or a short on the subject. I guess WN:SG doesn't address it specifically, but you can find the relevant policy here: What Wikinews articles are not item 5. --SVTCobra 21:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


care for a nom? –Doldrums(talk) 10:31, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

here you go. :) –Doldrums(talk) 16:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Chuck's words

Actually I wasn't changing his words I got them from another source... I'll add the source and the statement back, it's clearly some typo from CNN or something.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:46, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

The slash in titles

The "/" character should be avoided in article titles, it is treated as a delimiter so Foo/Bar is a sub-page of Foo. This is one of those techie details you'll pick up as you go along. Good luck with the admin nomination, and don't turn into a an "old man of the wiki" like me. Admittedly, you're doing not to badly on catching my edit count, but give it a year or two. ;-) --Brian McNeil / talk 18:07, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I didn't check the edit history on this one Warriors/Mavs underway in Oakland, you didn't start it - just tagged it. Sorry! --Brian McNeil / talk 19:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


Regardless, it clearly states that NASA is part of the imaging. NASA helped with it and obviously published the article and the image. So whatever. I uploaded it here. I am sick of commons and their deletion spree...they need to learn how to read. (sorry...little upset with them.) DragonFire1024 21:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Dispute of Mid-Con story.

Hello. I want to thank you for taking an interest in regard to accuracy on Wikinews - helpful eyes are always appreciated. But, I was wondering about your actions regarding a placement of a dispute tag on the Mid-Con story May 9, which was sourced by the way. (Although it could have been improved and clarified, as most WN articles could be improved and clarified.) As you probably know, in doing so, you unpublished the article - making it unavailable to the general readership and various news feeds. Fair enough as long as your concerns are well-meaning and in the spirit of cooperative journalism. But after doing so, you failed to notify the original and only writer (me) of your actions or your concerns on the appropriate user talk page. This drastically lowers the chances that your concerns will be addressed and effectively kills a story. A note on a user talk page is perhaps the most effective way to get a time sensitive issue addressed in wiki since it alerts that user immediately that another WN contributor is asking him or her to address an issue. - -- Davodd | Talk 03:31, 10 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re; Sivaji: The Boss

I am not involved with the production or marketing of the film. I am just one of Rajinikanths die hard fans. I have never met Rajinikanth even though I have tried on every visit to Tamil Nadu, India. But hopefully this time I will meet my Thalavar (means leader). Why do you ask? ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 17:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

If I had known of WikiNews earlier I would have made articles on the political oppositions to this movie. But I guess there will be a lot after its release of 31 May. So far there has been one murder and multiple politicians trying to make the movie look bad. In 2000, Dr Ramadas ordered his men to burn down 20 cinemas because they were showing Rajinikanth's Baba film. All my hopes and that of millions of his fans are that his film goes well. The ceremonies in preparation of his film are starting soon. A Rajinikanth film is like the largest festival for us. ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 17:23, 13 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Linking to Categories

I noticed you recently made an edit to a talk page in which you linked to a category. The correct syntax for this is [[:Category:CategoryName]] - that way the page isn't included in the category, rather a link is made to the category page. A bit like this: Category:Breaking --Skenmy(tcwi) 20:46, 13 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

RE: Disclosure

Ha ha ha, yes it does - when talking about the search, I am currently discussing the implementation of the search into a network of sites for state primary schools and, when talking about the live mail, it is regarding its implementation to replace another webmail system. BTW, why is there such criticizm (or is it doubt) when it comes to aa disclosure about a minor affiliatioin? thanx, Symode09 15:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

They did not hire me - the get hundreds of thousands of people wanting to be employed who are smarter - I (along with some freinds) went to them to try and make a deal regarding the implementationh of tier search into our site. ill be on the irc in 15 minutes - ill speak 2 u then. Symode09 16:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

samer here - i justr downloaded firefox and the plugin - it works for me now (if you already have the fox get the plugin @ thanx Symode09 16:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Should I not making articles about Sivaji: The Boss?

I have been wondering since it does not seem to be liked here. I thought I might as well start and get more Tamil people on Wikinews, but it does not seem many Wikinews vets like me and my articles here. ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 17:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

No, I did not say that you should not be writing about this movie. But please, do so only if there is something newsworthy. If the release-date is changed by a few days ... that doesn't sound important to me. If the government banned the movie ... then that would truly be news-worthy.
There must be other things going on in your part of the world, we get so little news from there. It can't all be about this film, can it? --SVTCobra 17:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
I live in the UK, I was born in the UK, I study in the UK. I just am crazy about Sivaji: The Boss like many other Tamils. But I'll add more info about India. ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 17:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
What do you think of this article: Storm_ravaged_India_killing_27. Can you please give me feedback and some links to how articles should be written here. ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 17:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
For many people in Tamil Nadu they save all the way through the year JUST to see this film. They don't watch the film, they live it. If you had disrespected Rajinikanth in Tamil Nadu they might have beaten you up, heck even I would. Rajinikanth is thought of as the SUPERSTAR. He is everyones dream. Before the 31st of May lots of people will be going to the temple and doing poojas (religous thing) just for his film to be a success. If Rajinikanth died tommmorow 1000s of people would suicide. Rajinikanth has the largest fanbase in all of India. ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 20:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
I am only thinking of writing articles (now, after talking to people) like on its release, preview and any hitches it hits on the way (like political problems). Also can I use my wikinews articles as a reference on wikipedia? And for normal films can I write an article about each film when it gets launched (starting filming), any hitches it hits, and when it gets released and one article to sum up the whole film like 100 or 200 days after release (that should be 3 articles per normal film, since it is unlikely for a NON-Rajinikanth film to hit any hitches.)? ~~ Vagish [wp] [wn] 06:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

DaimlerChrysler sells Chrysler Group

I only added that becuase that was what the news reporters on WJBK-TV Detroit said. Buzz Hargrove hopes to retain as many jobs as possible, becuase the auto industry is vital to Ontario and Canada. RingtailedFox 03:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


Your On Notice [4]The 13th 4postle 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I apologize

I apologize to you for the "On Notice" comment it's just a joke, obviously from Stephen Colbert. I figured it might even give you a laugh. The 13th 4postle 14:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I even thought some people like you might like it like that lol. The 13th 4postle 14:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

I meant to mention

I value Davood's remarks except when it came to your admin request. Davodd is a supporter of fun, and so am I. But more so, accuracy matters. I see that you work towards that, appreciated by me. Good work here from you, can't think of any way else to say thanks. -Edbrown05 02:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi Davodd. I am sorry, I guess that I could have notified you directly on your talk page. Most people watch the articles they create, so writing on the article's talk page is usually enough to get their attention. When I raised my sourcing concerns, I had read the source, but didn't realize I had to watch the video. I also waited nearly eight hours before putting the tag on the article. Lastly, while putting the tag on the article does un-publish the article, it does show up in the newsroom as needing attention. --SVTCobra 09:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Just for old-times sake, do you remember this article, PepsiCo names Nooyi CEO as Reinemund retires? You slapped multiple dispute tags on it without contacting me on my talk page. --SVTCobra 09:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
Not that they are comparable since more than one writer worked on them - and you must admit that looking at the history that the article was not up to Wikinews quality snuff. But, I do believe I did pitch in and help fix the errors and the article was, indeed published. In all, I think we all learned a lot from the process of writing that article.- -- Davodd | Talk 02:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I did learn a lot from that article (you didn't have to be so gracious as to say that you learned from it, too). It was one of my earliest contributions, and I remember the frustration that it kept getting un-published (I wish I could say they were fond memories). I think I have come a long way, and now know how to write an article in way that rarely gets disputed. I think I can properly credit you for some of that development in my writing. On that note, I am sorry that I tagged your article for unsourced statements. As I have mentioned, it came from overlooking the video link. BTW, I noticed in your user page that you are from Indiana, did you attend a school in the Mid-Con (now Summit League)? I was just wondering, because otherwise it is a pretty random article for someone like you to pop in and write. Cheers, --SVTCobra 03:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


Congratulations, you are now an admin. Use your new found powers wisely and have fun. :) If you have any questions let me know --Cspurrier 00:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Welcome to the Cabal. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:08, 20 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
Thank you all. --SVTCobra 16:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Restored deletion

Excuse me, my fault. From the original writing, it looked like a hoax, and the link "" flagged it for me. Sorry!  Thunderhead  ►  03:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hi SVTCobra. Could you have a look again at the article, China warns US on trade? You had commented about the neutrality on the Talk page. It doesn't seem too bad to me and might be worth another look. Cheers, Jcart1534 17:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Just wanted to send along a "thank you" for your help on the article yesterday! Jcart1534 13:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Man eats dog to protest animal cruelty

Good catch on the misquoting. I guess I put that article together a little hastily. Thanks. --SVTCobra 21:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

You're welcome. CWiltshire 10:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)Reply


well you can call me uncultured but to me woke up sounds better than awaken. change back if you dont like im not going to bother arguing. --MarkTalk 19:53, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

I won't do either. a) I don't think you to be uncultured, b) the meaning is the same. --SVTCobra 23:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

deleting vandalised pages

hi, it's usually a good idea to remove obscenities, especially those directed against named persons from the deletion log reason (edit summary) while deleting such articles. –Doldrums(talk) 22:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

OK will do in the future. --SVTCobra 22:59, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
this is not particularly policy, just a suggestion, is all. have fun with those buttons :) –Doldrums(talk) 23:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)Reply


U.S. President Bush responds to Russian criticism has some NPOV problems. Could you care to help? Thanks. FellowWikiNewsie 23:59, 5 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thus far, my contributions have been limited to technical/styling issues, such as links and use of templates. If you can point out some of the NPOV criticism, I would be more than happy to take a look at them. --SVTCobra 00:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
I asked you because I thought you could help me with the NPOV issue in the first sentence (which I thought were obvious), and I see that you edited it. It looks much better. FellowWikiNewsie 00:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)Reply


The popemobile story is also in the June 6 briefs. Should stories be moved from the briefs when they are expanded? Wisekwai 19:34, 6 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

I went ahead and added the matching links (related news on each article). Jcart1534 19:48, 6 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
No sweat, SVTCobra. The changes you made are fine. At one time I had been shown how to link the two articles, so I went with that. But either way is good. Cheers, Jcart1534 01:16, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
Thanks folks! It got turned into a nice little story. Wisekwai 03:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Reply


Oops. Will do it ASAP-ish .Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 18:33, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Done Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs)


Now why didn't I go over to the commons and search for a photo of her? Thanks for adding it. Wisekwai 07:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Can't access images

I am having difficulty at the moment accessing English Wikipedia in it entirety, as well as images on the Commons. I'm not sure if anyone else is having this problem. Wisekwai 07:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the reply. Yes, it is very strange. Earlier, there was no Wikipedia and no images, but now no problem. Oh well. Wisekwai 10:41, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Council of Europe report

Your comment re quotes needing to be taken from the article - I did indeed take this quote directly from the article referenced CWiltshire 08:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

New phrase in the Gay Community

The word "homosphere" does actually exist - it is a subdivision of the earth's atmosphere. See this wikipedia article CWiltshire 08:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Nunnally vs DC et al

I am not certain what you mean about putting nowiki. My intent was to clarify that this was an OR. I will go to the collaboration section. I apologize but I am new at this. User Confuseddccop

merge template

Hi. Thank you for the kind advice on how to use the merge template. It just came to my mind that we have a guideline here:Wikinews:Template messages/Disputes. I updated it a bit, following what you have suggested and replacing "merge," which actually is now a redirect, with "dupe," which is where the actual template is.

Would you mind taking a look and see if I did it all right? Tomos 13:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the feedback. :-) Tomos 16:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Paris Hilton/Senate Immigration Bill

I think you should leave the articles on June 26th. I wrote them when it was June 26 in local time, and on Wikinews.

the Hilton story (as best I can tell) is June 26. The immigration bill story has yet to be published. It is awaiting review. At this point it will be a June 27 story. --SVTCobra 01:18, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Comprehensive immigration bill fails in United States Senate

Thanks for all your help with and expansion of that article. JoshuaZ 01:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)Reply


I added some comments to the wikinews article. If you could take the factual accuracy tag off, that would be awesome. The 13th 4postle 11:37, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

replied at Talk:Website of Venezuelan National Assembly is disabled by hacker --SVTCobra 13:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Delivered by your friendly neighboorood Thunderhead 08:51, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Balloonist to establish Trans-Atlantic Crossing record

Hi, thank you very much for tidying up the article and removing the single source tag. The news item looks much better now. --HJKeats 14:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: Translated wikinews


I've added the templates. Regarding the "English source problem", there is no formal need for a story to have an English source, if you want to fact-check it best find someone who speaks the language.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Glad to help.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Your 'SiCKO' edits


Thanks for your help on the SiCKO article, but I think you might be mistaken on a couple of your edits.

I am meticulous that everything I write is accurate, and sourced.

The claim of all 43 sneak previews being sold out is in from the Fox article, where many of the facts are sourced from.

"The documentary about the health care industry was sold out at all its "sneak" screenings in 43 locations around the country including Cleveland, Boston, Atlanta, and Detroit."

The claim about it doubling expectations is from this Yahoo article:


"The weekend grosses more than doubled the projected box office revenues projected by NRG."

NRG is part of Nielsen. Maybe I should have put 'by NRG, a division of Nielsen'

I hope it's OK to restore these fully sourced facts to the article. Please let me know. Thanks Emperor NortonXXIII 21:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I also made a suggestion on the 'Biden - commutation' article. Emperor NortonXXIII 21:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
Got your message. I thought that the 'double the estimate' was in one of the sources I used when I wrote it into the article, but apparently it wasn't. I'm not sure I agree that its problematic to add in a source to back a claim that I thought was already sourced when I - in good faith - wrote the 'double the estimate' part into the article - but I will defer to your decision. Emperor NortonXXIII 23:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well.... if the 'double the estimate' claim is only sourced to Weinstien, as it appears to be, it probably shouldn't be in the article. No worries. Emperor NortonXXIII 00:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Wikinews and the New Media Alliance

Wikinews articles appearing on 'Mens News Daily' is cause for concern. Mens News Daily is part of the infamous 'New Media Alliance' Spamdexing Spin Network. "New Media Partners is a public relations firm specialising in online advocacy for conservative groups. On its website Heritage New Media describes NMA as "a conservative issue advocacy and information group established to promote and defend traditional social, political and economic principles nationally." sourcewatch entry Be concerned, be very concerned. The New Media Alliance I am. Emperor NortonXXIII 01:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Reply can be found on User talk:Emperor_NortonXXIII. --SVTCobra 01:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
I understand the nature of Wikinews and CCBY2.5 well. My point is that someone having ulterior motives could put slanted, questionable, or entirely bogus 'news' on Wikinews, and it could then appear all over the 'New Media Network', before it gets vetted, corrected, or even noticed. Didn't the Biden article with a questionable claim 'appear' on Mens Daily with THREE HOURS of it being posted on Wikinews? Do you not find that 'odd'? Emperor NortonXXIII 06:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
No, they can pick it up as soon as we put the "publish" tag on the story. It is our fault for not verifying the sources before we published. It turns out that the story was fine it was just a sloppy editor that put the sources section together. --SVTCobra 12:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hi SVT. I hadn't used IRC before, so I am not sure what I should see. On the right I saw a bunch of user names I recognize, including Williamt's, but no discussion as you said. Is that all there is to it? I just log in as I did and chat away? Jcart1534 02:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

NPOV concerns on Italy beach article

Please review Collection of signatures for the free part of the beach in Maiori, Italy to see how much NPOV concerns are still left for the original author to address (try pointing out specific problems on the talk page). thanks. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Done --SVTCobra 19:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

New 'Pedia articles on old news

I didn't think it was a problem to add cross-project links in at a later date; I thought that fell under the kind of things you might normally contact an admin to do for you on an archived story. In particular, Slovak transport plane crashes over Hungary recently had a link added to w:2006 Slovak Air Force Antonov An-24 crash, despite a huge difference in creation times. So either your revert or that adition was wrong, and don't ask me to sort out which one! Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 11:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Certainly a valid point. I will ask Doldrums and see if there is a policy or longstanding precendent. I'll get back to you on this. --SVTCobra 22:13, 6 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
the idea is that stuff like categories, templates (archived, released PD), interwiki and interlang links and by extension, links to WP articles are considered "non-content" additions to an article (i.e. readers won't construe them to be statements of fact reported as news. ). so we can make changes to these things after publication. the fact that the WP article did not exist prior to publication doesn't really matter much in our scheme of things - we are not promising our readers that the WP links we provide are to article versions at the time of publication. this i think is the prevailing practice, from what i know, this is not set in stone in policy, so feel free to discuss on cooler if you think it needs wider input. best, –Doldrums(talk) 06:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
Thanks to both of you for sorting this out. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 16:56, 8 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Tireless contributor award

I award this Tireless Contributor Barnstar to SVTCobra for his tireless efforts in writing/editing/rescuing countless articles. --Jcart1534 14:57, 7 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

No Self-Nominations

Hi SVTCobra,

Thanks for your interest in the Wikinews Arbitration Committee. During this election, you need to find someone else to nominate you. Self-nominations are not allowed. You are welcome to campagin for a nomination on IRC. Sorry for this inconvenience. Thunderhead 00:45, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

You are also welcome to ask for a nomination on-wiki, but please don't spamitize =] Thunderhead 00:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
No inconvenience, maybe it'll save me a few head-aches. --SVTCobra 00:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Reply
Don't worry, I'm not accusing you of anything, it was my fault that it wasn't on the page. Thunderhead 02:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I orginally wrote that article but what i did was add where the repairs are being made and updated the information. Please dont change!


yes, the licensing info says it's copyrighted, but normally all those artist illustrations from NASA/ESA are free-use-provided-that-credit-is-given. I've uploaded it to commons, see the discussions page I linked under permissions on the Commons description page.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


What your telling me makes no sense. Please elaborate! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thelilnewsdude (talkcontribs) 16:02, 13 July 2007

Replied to at User talk:Thelilnewsdude. --SVTCobra 16:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


--V6engine 15:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC) requests Osama bin Laden article gets developed. --V6engine 15:15, 15 July 2007 (UTC) Thank You for publishing it. --V6engine 16:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC) could you help anymore like with a picture? --V6engine 16:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Still the beaches

Hi, I am really having problems in getting a npov article since there is almost no feedback from the people who now "own" the administration of the beaches, nor the city authorities give information. It could become a case for the judge if it goes ahead like this. For now I could only write what has happened on that evening ... but still: it would be quite one sided, like the first article. I hope the one about the computer game I posted today is somewhat easier to deal with. Ciao from Italy! --SabineCretella 17:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Brianmc wrote the policy for me, while i told him what to write. Then Cspurrier and others said that that was a ridiculous rule (in the middle of the elections, in my opinion, it could have been debated pre-election) and convinced a change in the rules mid-election. Thunderhead - (talk) 02:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply



I made a small factual error in an early version of the Ellison article. It's all square now, but someone suggested that I add a correction, retraction, errata , etc to the article. I did so. Please let me know if that's how its done - thanks. fnordEmperor NortonXXIII 03:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Steven added the correction template, so take a look at it and how it is used. However, you'll have to check the history, since Ed has removed it already. Changing subjects a bit, I believe the date of this article should have been July 16 all along. --SVTCobra 13:06, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

It should be fixed now

Thanks for the guidelines :) I simply decided to write an article after reading the news, so I did not really know what is normal here :) Of course I know Sabine... apart from working in LangCom together we have a number of common activities :) It was actually her who pushed me to wikinews, since I’m too damn lazy to surf most of the time :) --Bèrto 'd Sèra 16:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

it looks wonderful, tnx :) Yes it IS L'viv, that's the native name. It's just that I mostly speak russian, and sometimes surzhik (a mix of ukrainian and russian), so I'm often confused with toponims.--Bèrto 'd Sèra 17:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Delete my article?

I was developing an article on the Brazilian crash, and then one appeared. Can you delete mine? Is there a place you can check for 'articles in developement? Thanks fnordEmperor NortonXXIII 01:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Done --SVTCobra 01:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Go with the stuff on the main election page, if you don't mind. Thunderhead - (talk) 02:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


I want to apologize if I made a mistake in the tagging I'm new to wikinews, I noted first-hand journalism because I looked at policy for breaking news and it said that if I am watching this unfold on TV, that I should put this tag at the bottom. Otherwise, I listed all the sources I used at the bottom, I'm not the sole contributer obviously. If there's any other information I can offer feel free to write on my talk! Golfdude8000 01:53, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I believe I've applied the appropriate notes on the article's talk page. If there's anything else I can do please don't hesitate to tell me! Golfdude8000 02:23, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Its like garbage and rubbish. Affirm is not proper english whereas confirm is. Just do a search on google and English news affirm gets 1.5 million results whereas English news confirm gets almost 3 million. --MarkTalk to me 16:13, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Thunderhead - (talk) 21:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Pls check this It looks okay for me, but I'm sure my english needs being put straight :) --Bèrto 'd Sèra 11:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Televangelist Jerry Falwell dies at age 73

I wanted to bug you about this article. I noticed that the article was in the category Category:Creationism. While Falwell was a creationist, that wasn't a major part of his public persona and isn't mentioned in the obit at all, so I was thinking of requesting the category be removed. But I wanted your opinion before I did so. JoshuaZ 15:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I agree with you. Neither creationism nor creationist is mention on his Wikipedia page, Jerry Falwell. --SVTCobra 16:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Pic attribution

Do my pics need to be attributed on Wikinews? I think it looks like I'm bragging or soliciting business. I only request attributiuon when they're used off Wikinews. ChampCarGuy 21:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Media riddle ready

Hi! I tried to make a picture of the situation, added sources and numbers. Honestly I don't know who's right in this "information cloud" and I guess most of the information sources have no better knowledge on this issue. All we can do is pack it together and present it as it is. Pls check my english --Bèrto 'd Sèra 12:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Fox News breach

Hi, sorry, I'm used to collaborating in the IRC channel and not on these pages. Anyway, I've been up all night watching this story since it originally broke, and observing every individual's discovery about what information was available using the compromised username and password. This isn't exactly internal information; hundreds or thousands of people were talking about it on message boards and IRC channels all night (see the quote from the cited article about "tons of people downloading their data."Bubbaprog 17:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

NP, you're just doing your job, and I'm trying not to end up in federal prison for the sake of journalism. Bubbaprog 21:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Minor league coach killed on field

What's wrong with it? Firefighter04 17:35, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Tour de France overlap

No, I was just passing by and hadn't seen the overlap. Don't think it should stand alone, possibly as a summary, whatever you think is best. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Questions for the candidates

I added some questions for presidential candidates yesterday and then added links to pertinent Wikipedia articles in case readers didn't understand the context of the questions, and also signed with my WP user name. Subsequently you reverted those links. Why? Appraiser

I reverted because you were signing "Appraiser" to questions that didn't match your IP. (Also, answered at your WP talk page.) --SVTCobra 21:55, 27 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Thanks, SVTCobra. I was having some difficulty there! Jcart1534 02:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Blog invite

I've sent you an invitation, so normally you should be able to gain access.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 07:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

I've taken the liberty of posting your blog work. I struggled with the image too; I've used the full size version, which will inevitably look ugly on blog aggregators. I've shortened the post with a link to the full version on this site. You should be able to make post-publishing changes if you disagree. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 17:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ingmar Bergman

Hi SVTCobra. Just wanted to compliment you on the Ingmar Bergman article. Nice obit. Very tastefully done. --Jcart1534 23:27, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thank you. --SVTCobra 23:40, 30 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hey SVTCobra. What do you think about swapping out the Taliban article for the Bush/Brown as the lead? Jcart1534 01:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

It is the next newsday, so it should be fine. --SVTCobra 01:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Reply

Alan Turing Building

Can you give me some hints. Do you think I was too glowing about the building (I was only trying to say how it is intended to work, that is not in dispute, and it is too early to say if it will), or Alan Turing himself? (I thought it was an understatement given what he did in his short life). But really any advice is welcomeBilllion 18:43, 31 July 2007 (UTC)Reply


enjoy it, it's a well earned one. –Doldrums(talk) 14:48, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

thanks. --SVTCobra 14:54, 1 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Minneapolis bridge collapse

Thanks for correcting that. I wasn't sure how the template would work with the secondary link; my main goal was to remove the ambiguity from the lead synop. irid:t 00:45, 4 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

I want to point out that with this edit you may have misinterpreted my point in linking the previous article. That link was there before you added the "related news" section, so saying it's "already" in the related news section is a little insulting. irid:t 01:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I did not say "already" just that it is in the related news, but I guess I could have said it is "now" in related news. If I had said "already" then I agree that would have been a slight/insult. --SVTCobra 01:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Ah, sorry, absolutely my fault... I misread your edit summary. Too many tabs open. Really sorry. irid:t 01:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

American Home

Thanks for reminding me about the source. I had the site open and everything but forgot to add it to the article. Should all be fine now :-) —Meekel 12:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Lego Man

Thnaks for the Welcome page. Yeah i wasnt sure how to write the article, so that will help. I have fixed up the sources now. Only wish i could add some photo's but i suppose they are copyrighted. Not sure what else i can do to improve article, other than maybe quote the remarks of observers. BrassMonkey 00:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

I am not keen on the way you are incorporating bloggers into the article. They don't seem to be in the sources. --SVTCobra 01:19, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I have put that source in now. BrassMonkey 01:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Thanks am trying to fix it now. BrassMonkey 01:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

RE pr

The link was not a press release. It was a recording of a seismic event that automatically gets thrown onto the USGS site when it happens, whether it is reviewed by a person or not. The only part that might be considered a "press release" (borderline) is the Summary where the report is. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Administrators and Accredidations

This week, no users recieved admin status from the community. There are no ongoing RFAs or RFBs.

Featured Articles and Images
Exclusive Interview with Tony Benn

This week, Wikinews editor Brianmc got an interview with British politican, Tony Benn. Benn, 82, was also formerly the Secretary for Energy under UK PM James Callahan and Harold Wilson. The interview, which is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution License 2.5, can be found here. There is also an audio interview available at this image page in .OGG format.

Blog Activity

This week, several new articles appeared on the Wikinews Reports blog: "Home video catches alleged UFOs in Haiti", "Encyclopædia Britannica reaches Wikipedia's main page", and two articles under the heading "Wikinews reports from Wikimania 2007".

About the Wikinews Bulletin

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Welcome to the latest edition of the Wikinews Bulletin! This week, you may have noticed a slight change in the design. This was because I felt that as a different project, Wikinews should not copy the Wikipedia Signpost. If you disagree, be bold and make your opinion known on the talk page.
Thunderhead - (talk) 00:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

IRC Discussion
  • This fortnight, not much happened on IRC. There was a debate among DragonFire1024 and Wikimedia Foundaton intern Mike H., but that was about it.
Wikimedia News (From Meta)
  • The Polish Wikipedia on DVD has finally been released and is available for purchase in shops in Poland as well as online. The release contains 239 000 articles, 59 000 images and the dedicated Java software WikiMiner. The DVD costs 39 PLN (~ 10 EUR, $14). Soon the 8 GB image of the DVD will be available for download as well.

Canadian power article

I'm going to be blunt here. I don't know ask him yourself. Also i didn't publish the article just dealt with the copyright matter so any NPOV stuff i didnt get involved with. --MarkTalk to me 22:00, 12 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

If thats so then why should i??--MarkTalk to me 21:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi, vandal storm.

Please check out WN:AAA, we need three bans like now. :) irid:t 01:41, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

On it. --SVTCobra 01:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! irid:t 01:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Hi! Check this out... Can't rename cause there's more than one edition. Regards - Jurock (reply here) 02:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yup, I had figured that out... Though I don't hace sysop access here, so I just wanted to warn about that page... - Jurock (reply here) 02:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Murder at street parade

So fix it. :) I'm no good at this. irid:t 02:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Do you have any thoughts on how I could improve the article? I admit that I may have made a mistake in confusing Sweden and Switzerland (being a stupid American); can you show me my mistake so I can correct it? Or correct it yourself? irid:t 02:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I see. It's in German? everything2 seems to think that .ch domains are owned by Switzerland. I really apologize for the confusion. irid:t 02:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, seeing now that the dominant language in Switzerland is indeed German. Whoops. I was trying to be bold, but it was more typeface than content, eh? Really sorry. irid:t 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Unblock User:Jay H

Read his contribs. He's not a vandal. irid:t 03:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

Nevermind. :) irid:t 03:34, 14 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

it seems to be back up. I added a new URL is reporting a hard landing instead of a crash. maybe the article should be change to "crash lands" instead of "crashes"

Hiroyasu Tomaru, a man of all seasons

I'm wondering if you can take a look at this; either this guy is extremely misguided, or he's being a pseudo-vandal by creating nonsense. See:

I can't find anything on this mythical place, and I highly suspect that he is making things up. Though I could be wrong! irid:t 02:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

And quite a break it has turned out to be... :)
No, you only looked at the article after I made the connection between "Oze" and the actual name of the place. Googling "Oze" came up with vague results and I didn't know how to make heads or tails of it.
Well after getting the google hits for the full name of the place, I hope you can move forward. --SVTCobra 03:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I'll try. I don't see how the event is topical/newsworthy/current, etc. Given that he's created weird nonsense articles so far.... eh, I'll stop. Go on your break. :) irid:t 03:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I don't either, but at least the place isn't mythical. But I am definitely OUT now. Maybe, if I have some down-time, I'll check on the status of things, but don't count on it. --SVTCobra 04:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
I see you editing on here every night; I figured I'd take a chance and ask for your opinion. irid:t 03:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yes, most nights, I check in to read the news. I am supposed spend my time more wisely. I was on a 72 hr streak until tonite (if you'll forgive a vote on a WN:RFA. --SVTCobra 03:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

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Issue VII - September 1, 2007
Administrators and Accredidations
Featured Articles and News In Pictures
Ségolène Royal during her meeting in Toulouse on April 19, 2007 for the 2007 French presidential elections.
Original reporting

Since our last edition, 18 articles have claimed original reporting. Some highlights:

Several others wrote stories based on television sources. The Wikinews Reports blog activity was mostly related to some of these stories. You can ask any of the blog authors if you want to help out on the blog.

Editor's note

Summer's over, and contributions seem to have increased a bit lately. I'd like to thank and welcome some of our newest community members for that: be sure to make Eric Wester, TheFearow, Theory, LaraLove, ISD and others feel most welcome! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Site activity
  • Wikinews is approaching 10'000 articles. Spread the word!
  • A Wikinews:World News Quiz has been set up after the Quiz extension was added to our MediaWiki repertoire. Users who take the quiz are invited to post their scores on the talk page.
  • Substantial changes have been made to the main page recently. TheFearow has implemented a dynamic news ticker - see Wikinews:Ticker for information and the template at Template:Ticker. Currently only available for almost every browser that isn't IE. IlyaHaykinson added the Template:Lead article with large image to the main page, which is currently the subject of a poll. A complete main page redesign is also being discussed.
  • User:Cspurrier has kicked off an ongoing mailing list discussion on the topic of setting up some kind of official organisation to issue press cards and support our off-site activities, like a Wikinews Chapter.
IRC activity
  • Some of the IRC topics include slow server activity, tinyurl's, the nearing of the 10'000th article on Wikinews, ... (add more here if you know more...)
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--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at Columbia

Yes - uploading photos now. --David Shankbone 23:37, 24 September 2007 (UTC)Reply

I need to take a break from writing the article and I think it would benefit from other eyes an hands. Plus, I have my interview with Tom Tancredo tomorrow at 1:15 and I need to bone up for that. Have at it guys. --David Shankbone 02:50, 25 September 2007 (UTC)Reply


I was surprised myself, to be honest. --David Shankbone 00:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)Reply



For WN:SG problems, you can use the automatic message/categorisation using the keyword mos, rather than typing your own. It makes it a lot easier to manage. Thanks! Matt | userpage | contribs 21:03, 9 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Cool, thanks, Matt. {{Tasks}} was created during my break so I am not so familiar with it yet. --SVTCobra 21:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yeah. Not enough people use it :(. But it's a great template. Matt | userpage | contribs 21:11, 9 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thai Tourism Minister Applauds The Chiang Mai Charity Calendar

Hi there - Sorry to appear such a complete novice but cannot find a way to resolve the "Bring into compliance with WN:SG" for this as I am not sure where the problem lies - the previous article? Grateful for advice - Best regards Chowringhee 03:20, 10 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Well, no, it is not just the previous article link. The sources should be organized and styled as per WN:SG. This section of the Guide is pretty straight-forward and you should easily be able to follow it. Further, if you claim original reporting (WN:OR), you must provide detailed notes on the collaboration page about your journalistic venture. Last, I would say that the article is so complimentary to Dr. Suvit that it may fail neutrality standards. If published, this article should be dated as per publishing time (UTC) and not when you started writing or when the event took place. I wish I had more time to help you with this, as I would likely have made the changes myself so as to illustrate. However, there are lots of other helpful people here at Wikinews. --SVTCobra 01:04, 11 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

I have tried to revise this as you suggested, with a <ready> but it I will be very grateful for your help in finalising this - many thanks Chowringhee 15:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Farnsworth House

Wasn't sure how to handle the date, thanks. The material seemed inappropriate for Wikipedia, considering its specificity. Should I have not put it here? —IvoShandor 00:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, I gots ya. Thanks. —IvoShandor 03:06, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
About the 24 hours thing, why not, just out of curiosity. Also, blatant factual errors, I assume, are exempt from this policy (if that's what it is)?—IvoShandor 03:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, the date thing makes sense, but I had never really piece mealed a story together from sources outside of original reporting, so I wasn't sure how to handle it. As for the explanation of the 24 hours bit, I figured it was somewhat arbitrary and had exceptions. Thanks again. —IvoShandor 03:37, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
I know, but realistically, it is pieced together from other sources, unlike an original article, which wouldn't be. And for the record I found you neither gruff nor brusque. —IvoShandor 04:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hi SVTCobra! Would you mind cleaning up this mess? It's been like that for quite a while... Thanks in advance! - Jurock (reply here) 01:57, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

So, what exactly happen? Kingjeff 16:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

I see many of the articles I started in addvance are up for speedy deletion. This is to avoid the tedious work when I actually start writing them. Kingjeff 17:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ok, sorry then. But I thought that was, as you said, to WN:SP so as not to appear in the main page as "develop". Sorry for inconvinient, but they had been quite a lot of time there so I supposed they weren't finished or whatever. Anyway, they should have been in WN:SP. Sorry again, Jurock (reply here) 20:31, 18 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Regarding w:Ageism

I do understand your viewpoint on my comment. I've replied over there. :) irid t i e 01:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Chances are extremely high that he is older than 40. I would say it's unlikely that he's older than 65, but still possible. I replied on WN:AAA. But we should probably take this directly to talk pages. irid t i e 02:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

News brief

Ummmmm okay. Well what has happened is that yesterdays news has become tomorrow's news because Wiki news doesn't populate fast enough until about late evening by then it makes more sense to give someone the stories of the evening for the NEXT day so that technically their news is always up to date. But I can see where that doesn't make a lot sense for Wikinews. Uhhhhhh I guess I can reverse the clock and do the 23rd's news separately and people can just understand they are receiving the latest news (as of yesterday). .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 04:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

HELP! The noinclude is not working, The briefs are not being excluded from the main page, whats up with that? Also, the naming convention is whack I mean there should be a space there but when I first made a brief a week ago people renamed it to the whacked up way it was. I don't know why. I honestly would like to go back and rename all files with proper spaces so it looks clean and neat. I'll leave it up to you admin to decide. .:*:*:DAVUMAYA:*:*:. 04:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
Umm, yes, I am an admin, but horribly illiterate when it comes to the various multimedia projects that have been attempted here over time. I cannot tell you what the right thing to do is, nor how to avoid the problem in the future. All I could do was to determine that something was wrong. (functionality of noinclude? beats me.) Good luck. --SVTCobra 05:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)Reply


Next time delete the copied sentence rather than obscuring the whole article because of that sentence!!! --TheFEARgod 16:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

How about next time you don't copy-paste entire paragraphs. Two of three paragraphs were copied! --SVTCobra 17:19, 25 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Your Reply

I am not a puppet master. Yes, I am banned, but those socks were not me. Ask Newyorkbrad if you want. I do not use Open Proxies to sock (and thats what a CHU came up with in April when those trolls were socking me). As far as I know, Newyorkbrad was going to try and have that "This user has socked" message removed. -- Nathannoblet 20:32, 25 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Old indeed!

Hi SVTCobra. Yes, old articles indeed! lol. I thought I would have a crack at some of the ones listed here. Cheers, Jcart1534 00:55, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Reply

Danish parliament

Fantastic, glad to hear you're interested!
Darn, there's no I presumed that I'd send candidates the same 4-8 questions in English and Danish, and if they replied to only the English, I'd post on en.wn, only to the Danish, I'd post to da.wn, and if they replied to both, I'd publish to both; no translation. But if there's no Danish Wikinews, that kills that, translating dozens of interviews into English is not worth it, even if we found multiple other volunteers.
Perhaps only the party leaders then?
Or are there any ridings/wards/districts/regions/whatever where there's a high English population, to make it worth the while of candidates in those ridings to reply in a non-official language? -- Zanimum 18:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
I am not aware of any voting districts where English speakers are a worthwhile audience for candidates. Even if there is one or two in Copenhagen, they are all likely guest-workers who have retained their original citizenship and thus can't vote anyway.
All of the Scandinavian Wikinews sites are dormant. An attempt to create a joint Scandinavian one Wikinytt:Skandinavia hasn't yielded much, either.
Further, there are hundreds of candidates for the 179 member Folketing. There are 14 parties represented in the current makeup, plus some more that run without getting any seats. That said, we could attempt to contact some of the party leaders or the parties themselves. Let me know if you want to pursue this. --SVTCobra 23:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Reply


FYI, I've sent you an email. JoshuaZ 23:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Holy cow! Indeed you did. I think that is the first wikinews e-mail I got since I verified my e-mail over a year ago. --SVTCobra 23:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Talk page comments

Cobra, leaving comments like "Kill the President" on Talk pages is not good judgment. Quoting the law to them you are providing a forum for something that is illegal. I wish you would use better judgment about the talk page comments that you leave up; most news organizations would remove something that, you know, violates the law. --David Shankbone 15:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

I'll reply at the Water cooler. --SVTCobra 22:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Two articles on emergency rule

There appear to be two articles in progress on emergency rule in Pakistan, Musharraf imposes emergency rule and Musharraf declares emergency rule in Pakistan‎ (the second one at least has a more NPOV title). I need to go back to work now, but presumably the two should be merged. JoshuaZ 14:46, 3 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Huh, well, I didn't notice that are anonymous friend had copied it. I'll move over the non-copyvio content. JoshuaZ 15:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hi SVTCobra. I'm sure you won't mind, but I borrowed a bit of your Chad article to use as background in the update. Cheers, Jcart1534 15:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

You don't even have to mention that you did. --SVTCobra 16:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Single sources

I know, I despair over that. Our news sources in Australia are very broken-off. What's headlines in one newspaper might not even get a spot in another. When it's possible I do try to find more than one source in everything I do (even research papers). Auroranorth 12:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps you should improve your skills in searching for news online. Google News can be helpful. It was really not hard to find additional sources for each of these stories: Reserve Bank of Australia considers interest rate rise, Teachers union says Melbourne Cup may be educational opportunity, and Australia Votes 2007: Howard and Rudd take 'me-tooism' to new heights. Australia is not a third-world country. More than one paper covers things such as the Melbourne Cup, the RBA and the Election. --SVTCobra 14:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Trolley article

Ooh, sorry I just noticed another issue- "its the abbreviation" should be "it is the abbreviation" (and it would be the wrong its/it's anyways. JoshuaZ 03:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

How you are finding these things, I don't know. But if you had Admin, you could do this yourself. Continued happy editing. --SVTCobra 03:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yes, that's probably the strongest argument for me becoming an admin. As to how I find them, three main ways: 1) if someone makes a comment and I'm reading the comment I'll probably read the article 2) Sometimes I when procrastinating I click on "random article" and read whatever comes up. About 1/4th the time it is a protected article with a mistake I notice 3) One can google for common mispellings of words. JoshuaZ 15:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Reply


For reverting vandalism to my user page :D —Zachary talk 16:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

BBC Resources sale could be unprofitable

Hi Zir, thanks for the excellent article. I added some additional sources, there could be some stuff in there that you might want to add to the article. Cheers and happy editing. --SVTCobra 23:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks, I'm not entirely sure that the BECTU press release is relevant - as it's just about the freelance agreement - the interesting BECTU comments will come after next week's meeting....Zir 23:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for your watchful eye — all help received, much appreciated — CU on Wikipedia...Zir 14:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Hi again, you should probably consider this article to be "wrapped" as Wikinews articles are not to be ongoing works-in-progress, unlike over Wikipedia. Thanks. --SVTCobra 19:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Hello, all done now — methinks I've added all the refs needed (and more!) Regards...Zir 20:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Danish Wikinewsies? (Danish Prime Minister calls an election for 2007)

Some party e-mail addresses:
Everyone else polled less than 5%. --SVTCobra 23:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)Reply
Eek, sorry! Okay, presumably what we'll do is interview them in Danish, and publish the interviews on the English Wikinews in tables, where one column is the Danish questions and answers, another column is in English. That way, it's on an active Wikinews, where they're likely to be found by search engines, and a bit more widely read.
Oh goodness, as I write, I see that it's next week that the election happens. This is the second election (the first being the province of Saskatchewan, Canada) that I've doddled on too long. If you can come up with some general, quick to answer questions in Danish, I'll come up with some introductory text in English, for you to translate and send the two parts off. -- Zanimum 15:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I think we missed the boat, it is already 4:20 p.m. in Denmark on a Friday afternoon. The election is on Tuesday. But if you want to try I can translate when I get home from work in about 7 hours. --SVTCobra 15:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Ouch, yeah. (I was reading a British article that said "next week", assumed it was Friday or so.) Well, next election I guess. Thanks for your willingness, though. -- Zanimum 15:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Image:Jokela killer screenshot youtube.jpg

Is there any reason why this image is not used currently on articles? I think it should be added, at least to the first and second one (not today's one). --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:16, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

I think the fair-use arguement to be fairly weak after the story ceases to be breaking news. Also, I am not sure who created that screen-shop off of YouTube, but it wasn't me, so the sourcing is a little shady. I have been told (and by the number of other versions that are floating I believe) that it is a screenshot off of YouTube, but I don't really know. I was actually thinking of deleting it. --SVTCobra 21:20, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
As a derivative of the original youtube video the copyright would likely belong to the estate of the shooter. Obviously, no one is going to get permission for use for that anytime soon. I'd be inclined to argue that this is exactly why fair use is allowed (it isn't clear to me whether this would fall within our fair use criteria). JoshuaZ 21:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I guess we could delete it, it's not being used and there's no need for it anymore now that it's no longer breaking news, although I think it is still good fair use.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Personally, I would like to never see this image or any other of him. Detaching myself from those feelings, I will say that the "" that can be seen in this image's lower left is not that of a normal screen-shot from YouTube. This leads me to believe that this particlular version may be the work of someone else. Since it is still a screen-shot, I don't know if that gives them any rights at all, but we might be better off replacing it with the one they are using at Jokela school shooting. That image does not have the same text on it. Also, if there is a problem with it, we can say "well, we just imported it from Wikipedia assuming their fair-use rationale was good." That image is, btw, w:Image:Jokela-school-shooter.jpg. But like I said, I'd rather not look at his face again. --SVTCobra 04:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Media outlets like CNN were using images that were part of the "packet" released by Auvinen before the incident. In it were 5 or 6 images, I think, including various stills from the videos the guy made. I might be wrong, though; the media packet I saw might have included both Auvinen's material and derivative stuff like third party screen caps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

C56C made major edits to this piece making it complete as far as I can tell. May I ask why you restored the Abandoned tag? JoshuaZ 00:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

You are right. I undid my changes and struck my comment. I saw C56C's edit summary and thought s/he had just removed the tags. My bad. --SVTCobra 00:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Er yeah I know that. Could have sworn I had increased the date when I made the edit to publish. Must need more sleep. JoshuaZ 02:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
No worries. --SVTCobra 02:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Could you fix it please? I'm literally about to go to bed and at this point if I try to fix I'll probably end up introducing some other error. Need to crash now. JoshuaZ 02:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Consider it done. --SVTCobra 02:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

BBC drops programmes as third of staff join strike

Sorry to be an anorak, but spotted some duff wikilinks (due to lack of capitals) in those past BBC articles that I quoted:

BBC television centreBBC Television Centre and BectuBECTU in "BBC drops programmes as third of staff join strike"

BectuBECTU is wrong in "BBC prepared for news blackout as staff strike"
and also in "Unions ballot to "shut down the BBC""
The latter also has a Independent Television which could be improved from disambig. to Independent Television

Presumably there's somewhere to report such things rather than pestering you (but I've not found it yet).

Regards...Zir 12:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Done You are right, there is a way to request changes to archieved articles. Simply, add {{editprotected}} to the collaboration page and then describe the changes that should be made. The request will automatically show up on a list for Admins to take action. Cheers, --SVTCobra 12:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Cheers & thanks for the info ...Zir 12:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: Mukasey

As a non-US citizen I felt the sentence in the Nov 10 article about waterboarding quite vague, so I felt I had to give a better explanation, which I found in the Nov 6 article. There wasn't much in the Nov 10 article I found useful for an audio report, so I added background from Nov 6. Am I making any sense here?

What did you think of the recording in general? Any advice? Encouraging words? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 23:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)Reply


You found the perfect title, thanks. I had an impossible time trying to figure out what to name the article, I tend to add too much info and ramble on forever ;) — Editor at Large talk 18:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: Iran/Observer article

Hi SVTCobra, thanks for separating the articles out. I guess the orginal article can be re-dated to prevent the "fish-and-chips-wrapping" problem of it becoming stale. Actually, I do appreciate you looking at and contributing to my work, even if I don't agree with you. I can see that there were misunderstandings between us which caused the original friction. That anonymous "cleanup" tag really annoyed me. I'm sorry if you were offended by what I said (you seemed quite taken aback by my description of "propaganda"), but I really do have strong feelings about what constitutes "balance" and good journalism. For example, I do not think that taking comments from one side and comments from the other side constitutes "balance". Both sides could be lying through their teeth (and frankly, this is frequently the case). These cases require more journalism to find some independent analysis of the situation. I really don't think that my article was originally unbalanced. Dox96 04:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

No, your article isn't inherently imbalanced. Technically you did your part in balancing the article with a lot precautionary statements about the reliability of the sources. From my point of view, that shows a pre-disposition toward a source, for better or worse. It would be like basing an article on a press release from a politician and then saying "Well, no one takes them seriously."
Well I disagree with you there. The original source that I had were a bunch of employees who were saying what they felt (and not through a PR company). Since one would not normally regard these people as being anti-US, it was indeed news in itself; that is, the quotes were the news. So the reliability test is reasonable - it would be an extraordinary situation if they were lying (what possible motivation - they've risked their careers!), or if the Observer fabricated the report (which is an extremely risky thing to do - if they were caught, they'd be crucified). A press release isn't news - it's PR, it's advertising, and anyway, it's not reliable. The two don't compare. Dox96 12:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
The way I like to keep my articles neutral is to gather a bunch of sources, and use direct quotes from the players involved. Of course, I could pick and choose, and sometimes you have to because those talking heads just keep talking, but I try to pick what they are trying to say. If you look at my articles, they are filled with direct quotes. No one has ever commented on that, so I don't know if they notice, but I don't editorialize and I try not to play favorites. I hope to see you again here on Wikinews. --SVTCobra 05:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I have serious reservations with your methods here. Take another look at the talk page of your article ("US denies plans of attack"). You quoted Condi Rice as saying "Why won't Tehran talk to us", and yet I found a source which says that the Iranians have been offering talks since 2003!! This is why you can't just quote the talking heads - everything they say has to be independently verified since they will only say the party line, as they've been carefully trained to do. It's called PR. It may be true, it may not be. It may seriously misrepresent the situation, or it may not. The talking heads really don't offer any information, just propaganda. That's why I try to avoid quoting those stupid talking heads, and that's why serious journalism requires deeper investigation. Frankly it's hard work (as I've just discovered - I've done nothing except work, sleep and do this for the last 24 hours!). Dox96 12:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Chinese sub to anon

What you put here User: you may have meant to put on the anon's talk page. JoshuaZ 03:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yep, you are right again. --SVTCobra 03:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi SVTCobra! (how I hate copyright). Well, I've seen you've used material from VOA News, but in their disclaimer a little phrase that has called my attention appears: "... we ask that you not abridge or edit any VOA material which you may use.". Isn't this a sort of "-nd" (non-derivatives), not compatible with our CC-BY? But, at the same time, the same copyright page states that "All text, audio and video material produced exclusively by the Voice of America is public domain [...]". I mean, 'public domain' means you can do absolutely everything with the material (except such things which are not allowed by law), thus meaning you can make derivative works. Nonetheless, the "we ask that you not abridge or edit any VOA material which you may use." doesn't actually –I dunno– guarantee this... Any thought? - Jurock (reply) 22:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

That's a good question. I hope the use of "ask" means it is just a request. I will try to research this and seek input from others. I hope that we can at least update the information. I have not 'abridged' anything per se, but I have added stuff to their story. I hope this use is OK. I will let you know what I find out. --SVTCobra 22:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Easier/ Oil prices

Hi! I was bold and made this thing (in which I've seen you've been involved) to be more easily updated (too much text confuses). Do you like it? It's what we do in Spanish Wikinews to update stock indexes... - Jurock (reply) 01:16, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

I do like what I see. Perhaps there should be a "user guide" to help people who want to update. Something like what you should put if the market is down. I can see that it is {{profit}} if it is up, is the opposite "loss"? Also, from the sources that I use, the % change is not readily available, do I have to calculate that myself? It is clearly an improvement. --SVTCobra 01:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I'm relying on Bloomberg's data - Jurock (reply) 01:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Oh! BTW, why don't you use a bot to update it? And BTW, do you know who could program a bot for es.wikinews, to update markets... I mean, it isn't that horrible job, but it would be nicer if it were updated automatically... Jurock (reply) 01:45, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
We should get a bot, but I am not adept in these things. --SVTCobra 01:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Me either... And my bot-runner (who by the way is my .js expert as well) is on vacation ¬¬. - Jurock (reply) 01:58, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

RE: Oil on main page

Unfortunately I have not :(I will ask Zach if he will...But no luck otherwise :( DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Jurock has just (literally minutes ago) taken an interest in this template. I'll link it Template:Crude Oil Prices. He was a bit bold (per our mantra) and restructured the thing, but I think it may be easier to update now. Take a look at it. --SVTCobra 01:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
It is easier but Bloomberg is not accurate as NYMEX or ICE homepages which update more frequently than bloomberg. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Hadn't seen this before... Well, I don't really care if Bloomberg hasn't got it by a few minutes... After all, it hadn't been updated since Nov. 12 (i think), so what's the point really... - Jurock (reply) 01:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well I was updating it as much I could, but I started a new job and not a lot of time. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:49, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I never cared that much that it was on the main page. I mean who is to say what the most important prices are? Is it oil, is gold, is EUR/USD, or is it the MSCI World index? --SVTCobra 02:01, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well (just to bother), oil has supposedly been a constant target for news, breaking record after record and threatening to surpass $100... I suppose that was the main goal: to cover up the ongoing event... Nevertheless, the price has gone down... (I have written some articles on that on es.wikinews). Maybe it's not that necessary now... - Jurock (reply) 02:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
True oil has been setting records, but so have many stock markets. Gold broke $800/oz. and is close to its own record. The US$ is at its lowests in decades. Lots of stuff is happening in financial markets, which is why I think it hard to pick one (or even two) that are deserving of the main page. --SVTCobra 02:12, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Then pick them all... xD - Jurock (reply) 02:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Monday is a new trading day...and between then and now, anything can happen. And more people are affected in the world than they are by gold. Also, I was trying to make a constructive point in making this, We have a whole market section. Look at the bottom for more too. I just happened to only be interested in oil, as it effects the most people. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:15, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Yes, arguably more people are affected by oil than gold, but stock markets are probably even wider reaching and currency exchange rates are hugely in world markets. If Jurock saying is that we could bot the updates, then I won't have any problem with wide variety of financial markets on the main page. --SVTCobra 02:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
We can do as BBC. I mean, on the 'main page' (for main page, it can be understood the "Business" section of the BBC) we can put the main six stock markets (DJIA, Nasdaq, S&P 500, FTSE 100, CAC 40, DAX), and link to a more specific page... In Spanish Wikinews we have a template with all the data, which is displayed partially in the Main Page (using ParserFunctions), but has its full-detailed version as well. Well, regarding to updates, I don't think making a bot for it would be that difficult (I don't know a bit from bots, but it doesn't seem difficult) - Jurock (reply) 02:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
We HAD a bot that was run by Iyla...not sure of the name of it I thin it was User:MarketDataBot or MarketBot. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:39, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I just want to avoid "human updating" because that eventually goes stale. The 'main six' you mention are a bit Anglo/Euro centric, but that is also where the majority of capital is. But, yes, that'd be a great start, imo. --SVTCobra 02:46, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well, you could add the Australian All Ordinaries... But, anyway, I guess most of en.wikinews readers come either from the US, the UK or Australia... (except Brian, who's Belgian... xD) - Jurock (reply) 02:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
That's why I'd like to leave it out, because someone is going to say Japan's Nikkei-225 index should be on there, and soon thereafter someone else will say the Shanghai-25 should be there and then why not BM&F and on and on. But if you feel strongly that we should have market data (and if it can be automatically with a bot) then this is not the place to discuss it. Go to Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals and mention it there. Good ideas are always welcomed. --SVTCobra 03:22, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Re: RF(d)A

Sorry to have confused you there... I simply think this user has become inactive, therefore there is no point in him keeping his rights -I don't need WN:IP to base this on, although I think it is a good proposal, this is just common sense. I guess I was trying to be too complex when it doesn't really matter. I don't agree with the way this user, who contributed a lot to Wikinews, is being abused to test that proposal. So I want him to lose his admin rights because he's inactive, but not based on WN:IP. Sorry again if this confused you. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:35, 17 November 2007 (UTC)Reply


I'd like to discuss the blog layout, so I set up a page: Wikinews:Blog, please reply on the talk page. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:19, 18 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

leeds accomodation investigation?

Why was this taken of the colab requests? I am assuming because it wasn't a story yet? ShakespeareFan00 22:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Primarily it was because it listed with the entire url and not as an internal link. Also, the fact that the story prep is empty is a factor. I think it should point to the active investigation instead. I will re-add it as such and you can see how to use the internal link. I should have done that right away, but got distracted. Cheers and happy editing, --SVTCobra 23:07, 20 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

A problem of Baseball World Cup...

Oops, Maybe it's 2006 Pan-american cup in Havana b/c America Team ever won Cuba 8-7. In Taiwan's Media often said "Pan-american Cup" as "Copa America", but this noun will be confused because it is used for soccer. Brock contact... 07:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, I found it. It's at here, but should be check again, because USA surely ever defeated Cuba at 2006. Brock contact... 07:19, 21 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Lack of experience

Hi. I'm sorry... I don't know where to write... here, there or there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Hi the question about the article should be on its collaboration page. About the publishing was a reply to me, so either your own talk page or mine would be fine. And don't forget to sign your comments. --SVTCobra 15:32, 22 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
OK, I've created an account Spad85 15:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

MS Explorer

Thanks for correcting the article to the right ship, and beating the article into shape. Its not really important but the Zodiac mention can be found here, Zodiacs in this case I presume to mean RIBs which are used on this kind of cruise to put passengers ashore where tenders cannot. Thanks again and regards. KTo288 16:12, 23 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Ah, it's a French brand-name for RIBs. Perhaps we can reinsert as RIBs not as Zodiacs. --SVTCobra 16:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

UK prime minister says donations were not lawfully declared

Can I just say that when moving an article from ready to needs development you shoul give a reason in the talk page, which you did not do.As an admin I would expect you to follow simple guidelines like these. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anonymous101 (talkcontribs) 19:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

You may say that, but I might remind you that on two occasions, you re-published this article after it was un-published by different admins without properly addressing the problems with the article. When an unfit article is published, my first concern is to unpublish it. I will do that with no explanation on the talk page at first, and just move it to {{develop}}. Then, I will either fix it or post something on the talk page (collaboration page). But I had no chance to do that. You, first republished, then moved to ready, before I had any chance to do either of two. (and to muck it up further, an anon re-published in the same span of time.) Afterall, this was only unpublished for 22 minutes, so I wouldn't fret about it. --SVTCobra 19:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply
I and presumably the anonymous wouldn't republish it if a reason was given --Anonymous101 19:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)Reply


Thanks for the help

Thanks for blocking the abusive user who was defacing my page. I'm pretty certain that he is w:User:EverybodyHatesChris, who has been indefinitely banned for abusive behaviour, article ownership, and other issues. I've unfortunately incurred his wrath as I had the nerve to bring several of his block-evading sockpuppets to the attention of enWiki's administrators. I just regret that this user is now disrupting Wikinews in an attempt to exact "revenge".
I'm also certain that this user will turn out to be coming through the same IP that left the first message (User: That IP is blocked on enWiki, and is confirmed as the IP for the aforementioned user. I don't know enough about Wikinews policy regarding blocks, but you may wish to consider blocking the IP as well - "EverybodyHatesChris"'s pattern is to establish a series of sockpuppets and carry on using them.
My final question is this: is there any way to get the abusive edits removed from my account history? If the attacks had occured on enWiki, I'd probably not bother as they would soon be buried deep within the page history. However, given that I'm not on Wikinews too frequently at the present time, I'm not crazy about having these attacks being so prominent on the page history. Anyway, thanks again for the help, and I'm sorry this has inconvenienced you. Thanks. --Ckatz 06:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

I think that you would need a meta:Steward for that. But I don't know if they do that sort of thing. --SVTCobra 06:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)Reply


Re: Khan. The designers were very excited to see her wearing their piece, and the PR person never responded to my request for clarification. --David Shankbone 21:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Your car?

That is your car, SVTCobra? Very cool! I knew your name was based on that, but wasn't aware you owned one. lol! Nice. Jcart1534 11:25, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

Yep, she's all mine. It's a 2003. Thanks, --SVTCobra 11:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)Reply

World Aids Day

Hi SVT. I would like to add some info about the concert in South Africa, but don't want to duplicate it if you are working on that part. Let me know. Jcart1534 20:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

I should have posted here too. Yes, I am done. Cheers, Jcart1534 21:15, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Nice work on that. I think it would make a nice "Featured Story". Jcart1534 21:27, 2 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Sorry mate

, I just realized that was a really bad way to do things: just dump my notes in the article and then act as if it were mine. (and then have other stuff to do for hours...) If your interested in doing something go ahead. Just because I´m here doesn´t mean I get the exclusive! I´d actually be very pleased if you do an article or two on the general stuff, cause of course I could be doing that from at home as well :D. But I feel obliged to do it, cause in depth articles would look out of place otherwise in my opinion. I´m posting my previous hours work in a sec (unfortunately I managed to delete half of the (short anyway) article, when I was powering down to go to somewhere with internet acess :( (that would be the De Boer speech). Guess I´ll write it up again... I´ll give some markers on what I could do with having written, OK ? Kind regards Sean Heron 15:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

heh sorry from me as well - wasnt checking the rc whilst i was writing - apologies but seems like we both had the same idea. sorry --MarkTalk to me 16:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
No, problem, but thanks for the notice, otherwise I would have continued adding images etc. But I always check Special:Newpages before starting any new article. It can save us all from duplicating a bunch of work. --SVTCobra 16:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
yup sorry - was kinda on a run - dont think it was there when i started, just took me a long time - will try to remember next time. --MarkTalk to me 16:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
next time please obliterate my mess and do your stuff there :D. But your article looks real good, I reckon we can merge pretty well (or make two articles with different focuses, might be better than one long one). Sean Heron 16:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)Reply


I never thought that for a second :) I am glad you pointed those items out. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

No article from me today

Just wanted to inform you that I´m not writing anything today, as theres not really been anything newsworth (in my opinion) that I caught. Sean Heron 12:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Von Maur

no that image isnt the correct place, thats a different mall. please leave. thanks --MarkTalk to me 22:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

no worries. --MarkTalk to me 23:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Article name change.

Siemens is a competition for high school students in their senior year. JoshuaZ 02:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Reply


Hello SVTCobra. I wonder if you can help me with this one...mental block. Have a look at this and let me know which article it is supposed to redirect to. Does it exist? Jcart1534 00:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Recovered Amtrak train smashes freighter in Chicago. Seems it was lost in page-move vandalism-recovery. --SVTCobra 00:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Good job! I couldn't find it. You're right. Some of the latest edits are missing i.e. when the page move vandalism occurred. Jcart1534 00:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply


Thanks for your help. Wilhelm 15:42, 7 December 2007 (UTC).Reply


الجمهورية العربية السورية أحمد فضيل النزال الخلايلهأحمد فضيل النزال

الخلايله القاعدة‎ القاعدة‎--غصناً من دوحة الفرس 19:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
What kinda moon man language is that?  ;-) --David Shankbone 20:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
arabic i think, ill inform user. --MarkTalk to me 20:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
According to Google translate: "Rule - Syrian Arab Republic Ahmad Fadeel fight Alkhalaylhahmad Fadeel fight" ?! It is all so clear now! Jcart1534 20:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
heheh looky like me to be spam - but why this and this??? Ive left a message on the user page - see what happens :-) --MarkTalk to me 20:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
I think he is calling out the Cobra for a smack down. --David Shankbone 20:11, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply
Well, if I have to rumble, then rumble I will. --SVTCobra 22:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply


Just wanted to randomly thank you for all the great work your doing round here!! Especially the cats work after i post :-) Many thanks!!!--MarkTalk to me 23:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

You are welcome. I appreciate the compliment. Thanks. --SVTCobra 23:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

Kidnap story

I didn't actually overwrite the work of anyone. I created another article with a different title, then copied in the PD source and then merged a small amount of details from the other story into. Also the article is not PD now, however it was previously as my edits to it and the edits from the other story are cc licensed.--MarkTalk to me 17:47, 10 December 2007 (UTC)Reply

alright then so next time ill remember to paste the article into the old one, merge and then move to a diff/more appropriate title. --Ma