Question What is your view of the distinction between support by the community and trust by the community? --Pi zero (talk) 16:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see the two as being very similar. In my mind, "trust" is the feeling of the community that you will not abuse the advanced privs. "Support" is sort of the same thing, but it refers more to whether the community wants you to retain the extra rights. (does that makes sense?) Tempodivalse[talk] 16:58, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Thanks for the support, guys. Kinda makes me feel like a fool for putting reconfirms up so frequently (last one was seven months ago). :-p I've had people tell me in RL that I lack enough self-confidence, so that's probably part of my problem here. Nonetheless, I'd prefer this goes the full seven days, constructive feedback is appreciated and I'd like to find areas where I can improve. Cheers, Tempodivalse[talk] 17:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment We can all do really - and I mean really - stupid things. The best thing you can do is just get on with things and realise that we trust you to always do what you think is the right thing. If it isn't, the worse that will happen is someone will say so and we all move along. The community is small and tight; it isn't like a bigger wiki where everyone is a stranger. We - I'm sure I speak for everyone - like you and trust you. Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs) 21:35, 4 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the encouraging comment, Sandman. I agree, we're all human and eventally make mistakes, so best to move on - but I was concerned that I'm more prone to errors than average. Still, nothing on a wiki is irreversible, so I probably shouldn't be too worried :-) Tempodivalse[talk] 02:27, 5 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support There's a difference between screwing up - as we all do - and losing the support of the community. The image thing, as I commented, was a discussion we needed to have. As for the others - well, it's not that long since I was stopped on IRC before reviewing something I'd worked on too much. Don't be so hard on yourself. Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs) 01:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Relax...you'll always make mistakes. Stop doubting yourself. Benny the mascot (talk) 04:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Hmm, I miss all the good drama :P. Bawolff☺☻ 05:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If we no longer trust you we'll let you know. Just keep doing your thing and stop doubting yourself, as overall your work has been excellent. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:04, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - you have nothing to worry about. Everyone screws up occasionally, and everyone makes the odd unpopular decision, but that doesn't stop people from trusting them. I trust your judgement, and you losing your rights would be a major loss to the project as a whole. DendodgeT\C 17:36, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support There's a learning curve. Wikinews is part of the Fourth Estate. You need to look critically at the forms of censorship other press apply to appease some vocal minority, and their story selection to rabble-rouse. And, be critical of sources based on who their financial backers are. I'd make a distinction between the press as the Fourth Estate and the "mob"; good press inform the mob and give them an opportunity to examine the facts before being conned into voting for a fast-talking salesman. You didn't mention VoA explicitly, but I've said this before; they're a propaganda division of the United States government – technically only for distribution outside the United States. What they call a terrorist attack, or who they say is a terrorist, is official policy being expressed. Many public-service broadcasters and news services in other countries (like the BBC) are much less dependent on government whim. So, the Rupert Murdochs of this world lobby the government to cut their funding; not just to get more paying viewers, but to promote their own political agenda and get people to vote against their own interests. Glenn Beck is living proof of that and you should go out of your way to watch OutFoxed - Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism. --Brian McNeil / talk 17:58, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support because I don't see anything worth losing the bits over and where there have been minor hiccups you have taken criticism onboard. Heck we all screw up a bit occasionally. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 19:21, 2 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support because any of the people who have signed above can tell you that I've made plenty of mistakes. ;-D --Thunderhead 11:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Everyone above has pretty much summed up my thoughts but you have both my trust and support. Everyone makes mistakes and quite frankly, I don't think some of yours are even mistakes. Keep up the excellent work Tempo! (And you gave me my first(and only so far) barnstar which deserves a strong support really)! Tris 23:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Hey, I have low self-confidence sometimes myself, but I don't let it get me down. --Patrick M (TUFKAAP) (talk) 04:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Oppose, only a dozen edits to this project, can't tell if this would make a good oversighter due to lack of contributions to the project. Recommend speedy close. Tempodivalse[talk] 18:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose in the strongest possible terms. You have made a bare handful of edits, and yet you honestly expect to walk in here and be granted access to the single tool on the project that requires the most trust of any? Have you considered psychiatry? Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs) 18:31, 23 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Closed - Damn tempo and his EC's! Anyways, closed as this user has zero main page edits, not even an op and seems to lack a solid grasp of the english language. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 18:29, 23 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Unfortunately it is fairly clear that this will not pass. Votes were 5 oppose/1 neutral, and that would require more than 15 supports votes. While I don't think anyone wants to spite Rockerball's attempts, he has been Editor'd and de-editor'd twice, the last of which was January 22. Try not to be discouraged though, it is obvious the community still has hope for you yet. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 20:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC) Reply[reply]
This requeswt is basically the same reaseons as my previous request (and my past editor requests). House keeping and similar --RockerballAustralia (talk) 05:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment You don't even have editor status now after being de-editored by the community about a month ago. All but one of our admins have Editor status; perhaps it would be wiser to try and regain that tool first, before proceeding to this? Tempodivalse[talk] 15:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I suppose, although that would be rather unconventional... Might be easier and better just to do them separately though, to avoid confusion. Tempodivalse[talk] 23:01, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose, concerns about the user being de-editored by the community recently. This does not seem like the right time to be going for adminship consideration. Cirt (talk) 16:04, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neutral I have nothing against Rockerball, but still am a bit uncomfortable about this request. I'd rather that he tried requesting Editor status first, and try to regain some trust of the community, and not jump directly to an admin. If this were an editor nom, I'd gladly support, but admins need to have full support of the community to avoid conflicts, IMO, and I'm not sure I see that here. Tempodivalse[talk] 23:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak oppose Sorry, but I must agree with Tempo here. --Mikemoral♪♫ 23:38, 2 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose sorry, but i think it'd be best if you worked back up the ladder step by step. I'll support you if you start a request for editor. Bawolff☺☻ 19:58, 3 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Closed as successful after one week per unanimous support. Tempodivalse[talk] 02:37, 8 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've been an active user and editor on Wikinews for about three months now. I have extensive article writing experience with 40 under my belt so far. Cocoaguytalkcontribs‽ 01:09, 1 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I'd like to nominate Mikemoral for adminship. He's been around for a long time, and been consistently active for the last few months. In my opinion, he's a responsible, trustworthy user who could do well with the extra bits. Tempodivalse[talk] 03:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Let's see, see my last request for info on where I stand on a few things. Only diff is my agreemnt on the non-negotionable self publishing. --RockerballAustralia Rockerball is my sport, not me. 10:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question The answer to life, the universe and everything? --Thunderhead(t - e - c) 19:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Life is unfair, live with it; I live on a rock floating around some gas so I don't know; and I'm not s giant brain--RockerballAustralia Rockerball is my sport, not me. 00:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I think you're trustworty and will be able to help the project a lot more once you get the admin privs. Benny the mascot (talk) 11:25, 12 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I've seen you around a lot, and I've no reason to not trust you. :-) --Thunderhead(t - e - c) 19:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I think you're ready, and I think (recalling Blood Red Sandman's remark last go around) you won't abuse the privileges. --Pi zero (talk) 15:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Sure, why not? C628 (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Even if you do make some mistakes (who doesn't?), you're obviously willing to improve, listen to advice, and seem to be genuinely interested in helping. No foreseeable deliberate abuse of tools. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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It looks like this bot only used administrative privileges over a very short period of time, and only to fix a bug, unless I'm mistaken. Does it still need the sysop bit? --Thunderhead 23:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I'm a bit afraid of doing this. I have been for over 2 months there and have written many articles (mainly related to the Chile earthquake). I know I have not the editor privs, but I would like to help deleting spam and blocking those trolls when there's no one around or these kind of situations. If I don't get it, I'll try to improve the points you give me. Thanks in advance. :-S --Diego Grezlet's talk 04:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question Do you plan to appeal your blocks on the other projects? That could be helpful in rectifying any past faults. Benny the mascot (talk) 19:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have appealed my blocks on the English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, and both were lifted, although I have to obbey some restrictions on the English Wiki. The Spanish Wikipedia is left :-P --Diego Grezlet's talk 20:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah, I didn't notice that! This could be very helpful in cross-wiki coordination/editing. Benny the mascot (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question Should I ask for editor privs first or not? Also, I'm gonna withdraw this after someone replies me. --Diego Grezlet's talk 21:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose (mildly) meh... not really active till the beginning of March, Not yet at the two months mark. Also I think the user needs more time around first. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 04:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose for the above reasons. I'm more worried about assimilation into the community rather than policy, though. Give it some more time and you'll have my support. --Thunderhead(t - e - c) 04:47, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I'll have to disagree with both the above comments. The amount of work in January and February is sufficient I think --RockerballAustralia Rockerball is my sport, not me. 04:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
weak oppose per Thunderhead, mainly. You're a good contributor, and I know you have a fair knowledge of policy, but I'd be comfortable with a little more time around first, say a month or two. Sorry. Tempodivalse[talk] 13:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support He has already written 25 articles. I think he knows the rules quite well. Benny the mascot (talk) 19:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain He has written a lot of articles, but I still think he needs more time then 2 months. Also he has been blocked from other projects (IE: Wikipeida) Irunongames•play 19:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neutral Sorry, but I'd honestly like maybe one more month of activity before I can give my full support. --Mikemoral♪♫ 20:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neutral Sorry. I trust you, but too soon. Agree with mike. Bawolff☺☻ 20:40, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neutral Essentially per Mikemoral. C628 (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Your inflammatory comment crossed a line in my book. --William Saturn (talk) 22:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hi, I am Pmlineditor. I have been contributing to Wikinews for some time now and have written over 40 articles. I have participated in some community discussions such as DRs, FACs etc. I understand my edit count is quite low, but I could help in archiving and deleting/blocking spammers if the community has the necessary trust in me. FWIW, I am an admin in some other WMF wikis. If the community does not have enough trust in me, I will continue with my article work anyways. Thank you for your consideration. Pmlineditordiscuss 17:45, 17 April 2010 (UTC)Also, sorry for the short nom statement.Reply[reply]
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Closed as promoted, per unanimous support, congratulations. Tempodivalse[talk] 01:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello. I've been here since November, and I think my contributions to my 25 articles (mostly dealing with my home state of Illinois) make me a trustworthy editor here at Wikinews. If the community agrees that I deserve adminship, then I plan to focus on maintaining categories and dealing with the occasional vandal. Thanks in advance for your commentary. Benny the mascot (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment While my very narrow focus on Illinois news may seem a bit selfish at times, I've always thought that a steady flow of closely-related articles is better than a slowly-growing, broad range of articles. Let's say, for example, that from now on I decided to cover news over a rotation of all 50 US states. For many states, that basically means one article for every 50 days, and readers wouldn't be impressed by Wikinews's inactivity, would they? But if I at least dedicate all of my efforts to Illinois news, as I have done, then at least Illinois readers might be more inclined to come back in the future. Therefore, I feel that my coverage of Illinois news isn't necessarily hurting the project. Feel free to comment. Benny the mascot (talk) 01:34, 18 April 2010 (UTC)\Reply[reply]
We've already been over that; nothing really came of it, but I'm not particularly excited about the prospect of doing it all over again. Anyway, I don't think it's particularly relevant here; what you write about shouldn't affect your actions as an admin. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree with C628, the scope of your articles shouldn't effect the vote here. There are varying opinions on if local news should be on the main page, but i don't think anyone feels it is hurting the project. Anyways, not really relevant. Bawolff☺☻ 01:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, you can look at it several ways, I suppose. That's one view on it. My personal opinion is that, because our userbase is quite lacking, we should focus on only the most important topics both at the country and global level. That way, we'll have coverage that is relevant to more people overall, and will garner us more casual readers and perhaps contributors. To try and draw a parallel: if I were a random reader browsing through Google News' listings, and saw a story about a relatively small city on the other side of the world I'd never heard about, I wouldn't likely be inclined to click and read it. On the other hand, if the story was of national or international-importance, chances are it might affect/be relevant to me, so I'd want to read on and see what it's about.
Let's face it: if we take mostly micro-local stuff from a few small areas, that's basically an exercise in randomness. We'd be writing things that almost nobody would care about. Of course, if we were like Wikipedia, and had hoards of editors from all over the world, local news would make much more sense, because we could cover it *comprehensively*, and not just with a (somewhat undue) focus on two or three small, specific areas. Anyways, just my two pence. Cheers. Tempodivalse[talk] 01:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Trusted. I was intending to nom you earlier, but kinda forgot ... I'd personally wish you had a broader scope of articles that you covered, but that doesn't reflect on your ability to be a good admin. Tempodivalse[talk] 01:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I'm in agreement with Tempo; articles on more topics would be good, but I can't see how that would affect your actions as an admin. C628 (talk) 01:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Excellent work as an article writer and reviewer. Pmlineditordiscuss 07:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I could have sworn you already have the sysop rights. --Mikemoral♪♫ 19:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Yeah, I could have, too. (per Mikemoral) --Thunderhead(t - e - c) 18:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I've been editing WikiNews since May 2008, and have written numerous articles. I have also conducted three high profile interviews, which I believe proves my "trustworthiness." I'd like to do some work with categorization, specifically for election articles. Thank you for your time. --William Saturn (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose 1) I do not trust you. 2) I never see you around. Otherwise I would have supported you. --Diego Grezlet's talk 03:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
neutral leaning towards weak oppose Well I do trust you (or at the very least do not think your evil), and you have been around for a while, I don't feel that you're active enough. For example, you've only made 42 edits (I swear I'm not making that number up, thats actually what i counted) this year. Bawolff☺☻ 03:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak oppose Basically what bawolff said. --Mikemoral♪♫ 03:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose for now. Your article work is much appreciated, don't get me wrong (and I really liked your interview with the US prez candidate), but I have several concerns about this: firstly, as Diego and Bawolff mention above, I've seen you participate only very intermittently. You only have 154 edits to the project and, while I'm aware that edit count isn't always a good indicator of experience, in this case it is simply too low for me to form an accurate judgment of your knowledge of policy or ability to positively interact with other users. We generally don't have high standards for adminship, though - if you can continuously participate with the project for several weeks to two months (and by that i mean making at least a few edits a week, and participating in community discussion and/or content work), I would gladly reconsider. In any case, please don't get discouraged if this RFA turns out poorly - it is not a reflection on your value as an editor, it's just too soon. Cheers, Tempodivalse[talk] 03:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Not sure why Alexandr closed this as he's not a 'crat and can't actually promote C628 ... but whatever; request is obviously successful so I'll bring out the sysop bits in a moment - don't think any potential COI is a problem here. Congrats. Tempodivalse[talk] 14:17, 4 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi, I'd like to nominate C628 for adminship here. He's been active for a little over two months now, has demonstrated his trustworthiness by being a prolific reviewer, and has written plenty of newsworthy articles. I think he'll do well with the sysop bits. Tempodivalse[talk] 14:10, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm honored by Tempo's trust in me, and humbly accept his nomination. Thank you, C628 (talk) 19:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Hello. This is my second time on this side of the wiki, and I would like to throw myself to the lions --AlexandrDmitri because:
I feel capable to handle blocks on vandals after some time.
Delete spam (common thing on Wikinews).
And the most important reason, I'm running a customized version of a bot, named Pitsilemu (maybe you all know but it is extremely derivative from another bot). The main reason I need adminship, will benefit others as well. The bot handles blocks and deletions, in admin mode. I would set permissions to trusted users to delete pages by themselves. The bot is currently running on #pitsilemu@irc.freenode.net and you can test deletions on flaggedrevs_labswikimediawiki. I feel I have had enough time here and have written many articles too. I have done a good job with reviews too. In addition that I keep patrolling the recent changes on IRC (irc://irc.wikimedia.org/#en.wikinews, for instance). Thanks in advance. --Diego Grezreturn fire 22:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Your bot should not run under your own account. If you want to use the bot in admin mode (which sounds slightly scary...), you should make a separate request for the bot. Bawolff☺☻
Lolno. It is a manual bot (it just goes to the special page and handles the block/deletion). It recognizes you by your cloak "wikimedia/Bawolff", "wikinews/Tempodivalse", etc. --Diego Grezreturn fire 22:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, but it edit/blocks/etc, it should do so from its own account. Bawolff☺☻ 22:56, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You know, you have tested it, it is completely safe and it is half a bot ;) --Diego Grezreturn fire 23:46, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
* Topic for #pitsilemu is: This is the channel of the greatest bot of Freenode... Pitsilemu! | SourceForge project: http://bit .ly/bZ6t30 | Homepage: http://pitsilemu.sourceforge.net | Public logging allowed | Check out #wikinews too. --Diego Grezreturn fire 01:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, per suggestions by people that I really trust, I've decided to not run the bot, anyway :) --Diego Grezreturn fire 22:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neutral I only got back to Wikinews from a break less than 24 hours ago and you've only been truly active since the 4th March. It's a neutral from me but keep up the good work! --James Pain (talk) 23:23, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak oppose for now. I much appreciate the work you've been doing here - it has helped the project immensely - but, to be honest, I don't feel I can have sufficient trust in your overall judgment or knowledge of what to do in certain situations. For instance: retiring and unretiring in the period of half an hour is a bit disconcerting (even if it was made on a sudden impulse of anger), and not the sort of thing I'd like to see in an admin. Also, publishing an article, then changing your mind ten minutes later to unpublish it is of some concern to me as well. One other note, having a bot handle deletions thru IRC isn't really a good idea (what's wrong with going on-wiki and doing the admin action yourself?), especially when it's not running on its own separate bot account. No hard feelings, and nothing personal, i'm just not totally comfortable with this at present. Tempodivalse[talk] 23:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. For sure that won't happen anymore ;) But OK again. It's your opinion, and I appreciate it. --Diego Grezreturn fire 23:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've changed this to "weak oppose" per Diego's use of rollback to undo non-vandalism edits, for instance: [1][2]. TBH, I just don't think this user knows what the appropriate course of action is for certain situations. Tempodivalse[talk] 23:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support It should be noted by the closer that I have a pre-existing friendship with Diego from WP and that I'm far from a veteran editor here, but I just wanted to get my 2 pence worth in. I think he can handle it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Not under any circumstance. A) The bot should not be attached to your personal account. B) IRC != Wiki and as such bots on IRC should not be able to manipulate the wiki in such a way C) An IRC bot is wayyyyyyyy too easy to abuse/break D) You're not even writing the bot code, you're running vanilla what other people are writing. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 22:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, I'm not running the bot then. :) It was just a suggestion (for me being too lazy :P). --Diego Grezreturn fire 22:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No comment on the RFA itself, but we run this bot on Simple English Wikipedia (a version of the bot, not Diego's bot). It works fine without problems. We allow it to be used as long as the admin in question takes full responsibility for actions taken by the bot. Griffinofwales (talk) 21:31, 16 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose regrettably. This user is enthusiastic, and generally seems to want to work for the projects' good, but xe needs to take the spurs off and hide the cowboy boots. We've been through bot madness, and so on. We've had people in early teens take adminship, and do not too bad. Bed in with the project a good deal more before requesting this privilege, please. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:52, 17 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Per Brian's comment, and the people that has voted, and by myself. I have been thinking about this, and yes, I have to stay a little longer to ask for this mad right. Thank you all and this will help me become a better editor. At its due time, I'll certainly get this, but I think, and I agree with the people above, that this is not the time. :) --Diego Grezreturn fire 00:56, 17 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Rights removed as per user request; not much else to do here. Tempodivalse[talk] 17:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's only with a heavy heart - and after consulting with other checkusers and administrators - that I put up this request for the de-checkusering of Brianmc. While he's been a very helpful user for Wikinews, and I appreciate his contributions helping promote the project, his recent actions involving the Matthewedwards scandal, primarily the threat of checkuser and poor treatment of other people, have IMHO been most unbefitting of any Wikinewsie, let alone one who is a bureaucrat, ArbCom member, and checkuser.
My biggest concern is with this edit, in which Brian, in no uncertain terms, threatened to checkuser an IP who disagreed with him. It turns out the check actually was carried out. Brian says it was carried out for non-personal reasons - namely that there was suspicion the IP was a persistent troll. The user was in fact was the same person commenting with rather poorly-thought out opinions on the talk page of our recent Gaza story. However, his comments at AAA, despite being unpopular, were quite logical and rational, in comparison to some of the other madness going on there, and nothing he did constituted trolling - which in my mind makes the justifications behind the check rather iffy. Regardless, the very act of threatening to use CU is unacceptable by itself. meta:Checkuser says: "The tool should not be used for political control; to apply pressure on editors; or as a threat against another editor in a content dispute."
I might have been more forgiving had there been some acknowledgment from Brian that all this was inappropriate; however, such has not been forthcoming and it doesn't appear it ever will. The ensuing drama from something like this, of course, shall be quite unpleasant, but I'm honestly not sure I can trust Brian to act appropriately anymore, and I don't know through what other venues this can be addressed. Tempodivalse[talk] 17:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
According to the CU log, Brian ran a checkuser on the ip and /20 and /24 blocks at 01:13, 1 June 2010, 11 minutes before he posted his comment.--Cspurrier (talk) 19:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes.
However, as this was posted by an IP, much of the same information could have been inferred by absolutely anyone.
Community's choice. Not the best times to have done as requested; not the best of reactions – albeit in the face of someone who seemed policy-savvy, but otherwise unknown, wading into that debate. Nor, I would say, the right time to be taking this decision; but, I will leave it at that. --Brian McNeil / talk 20:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I'm correctly understanding you, I don't think it was particularly suspicious that the IP posted at AAA. He had been active before, and was probably one of those people taking a causal interest in wiki projects, but not enough to register (i've seen quite a few). Still, the main point I'm trying to push here is that the threat, and the whole overall attitude, is the thing to de-CU over, not as much the actual check. Tempodivalse[talk] 20:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I actually don't disagree with the check itself. I was suspicious of that user too — I actually thought it might be Matthewedwards himself, anonymously editing in his own defense. I didn't think "not logging in before posting" constituted an offense (although it was rude in this case), so I didn't say much, but I was suspicious, just like some of the others.
What I disagreed with was the use of checkuser as a *threat*. However Brian meant that comment to come across, to me it sounded like "I disagree with the content of your statement, so back off or I'll use my powers against you". I don't know who that anon user was, and I don't know exactly what Brian was thinking when he made that statement, but that's how it came off to me. And I do not like it when admins (or whoever) threaten to use their powers over content disputes. It reminds me too much of adrenaline junkie cops in the real world, tasering the helpless just because they think they can get away with it. Gopher65talk 00:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Per my remark below, please consider this my request that CheckUser be removed from my privileges in short order. Please point a steward at the diff containing this comment, get it done now, and put this sordid mess into an archive so the community can get over this horror story instead of tearing itself up anymore. --Brian McNeil / talk 14:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment, rights were removed by a steward. I'm closing this since there doesn't seem to be anything else to do here. Tempodivalse[talk] 17:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would argue that it is a big deal. Unlike adminship, which relatively speaking is harmless as everything they do can be undone, checkuser-ship is a totally different bird. It's only given out to people above the age of eighteen for a reason: it allows users to get into very personal information, frequently without any supervision or oversight from anyone else. (Of course, as to whether Brian's actions constitute abuse is a different matter). Just my two pence. *shrug* Tempodivalse[talk] 17:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
checkuser is a very big deal. There is a large difference between your personal wiki and wikinews. Bawolff☺☻ 20:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Checkuser is a big deal. I find Brian's threat completely inappropriate. Checkuser should never be used as a threat. I consider threatening its use in such a way to be an abuse worthy of removing the right. The CU itself is problematic as well. There is nothing wrong with an IP commenting on a community discussion. Even suspicion of trolling should not be enough to run a CU. We would need to suspect that the person was abusing multiple accounts for the CU to be appropriate. While I can understand Brian's anger, his behaviour throughout has been way below the standard we should expect of any Wikinewsie, much less one with his list of rights. In the interests of minimising drama and in light of the circumstances, I would support ignoring the massive WN:E violations throughout (all of which on their own could justify a block or rights removal). The checkuser abuses though are much to serious to ignore. I think removal of the checkuser bit is necessary as I do not think I can trust Brian to use the tool appropriately. --Cspurrier (talk) 19:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, grossly inappropriate actions made by an ArbCom member. Brian, you are an indispensable part of this community. However, after reviewing your actions, I no longer trust you with CheckUser access. Indeed, CheckUser is a big deal. Sincerely, Blurpeace 20:23, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain I do believe brianmc was out of line in his comment to the ip. With that being said, I believe the attitude of the community was a contributing factor. The mob mentality can be hard to resist, but a check-user should know when to step back, and not get swept up in the heat of things. A lot of people feel uncomfortable with the recent events, and we must be careful not to turn brianmc into a scrapgoat, as he is by no means the only one to blame. Bawolff☺☻ 20:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I could not find where in Wikinews policy where you are allowed to blatantly CheckUser an IP for disagreeement even if they were trolling. What was your "valid reason to check a user?" Look at Meta's CheckUser policy. I find that misuse of a powerful tool is grounds for revocation of access. —Mikemoral♪♫ 21:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As stated on WN:AAA, a request by an established contributor. To reiterate the above, anyone - even someone not logged in could have gleaned 90% or so of the same information I did regarding edits elsewhere on the project from other IPs in the same range. Review what was said where, by who, and which pages ended up fully protected.
Personally, I was actually expecting someone to be incomprehensibly dickish about me posting correspondence - not this. So, go ahead, vote. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you look at what Craig posted, you used CheckUser before you even threatened the anon. A full 11 minutes between the time you used the tool at 1:13 and your comment at 1:24. —Mikemoral♪♫ 22:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you look at where I was nasty/curt with the IP, it was not to CheckUser him here, but to request checkuser elsewhere. Now, is there anyone else who does not read things carefully enough? --Brian McNeil / talk 22:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To be honest, I don't think it matters much if the threat was for you to checkuser, or for you to get someone else to checkuser. At the end of the day, a threat was made by someone with checkuser privileges that the ip would be checkusered if he continued saying what he was saying. How the threat would be carried out beyond that it would involve checkusering is not that relevant imho. Bawolff☺☻ 22:21, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And threatening any user, new or experienced, with CheckUser is both unethical and against policy. You should not threaten someone for disagreeing with you which is what seems to have happened. —Mikemoral♪♫ 22:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Let me get this straight... A community member, in good standing, requests I perform a CheckUser; I do so, and a blacklist turns up a reported range containing the IP (a /14 incidentally). I widen the check on the IP up to /24, then /20; and, I hit someone wading into an article on the Israel/Palestine conflict, assuming we treat the project like Wikipedia and publish any old crap hoping someone cleans it up. That article is now protected, and I doubt it was ever properly reviewed in the first place; at least, when you look at the eventual removal of sources in response to my criticism, and then to the sighting of a revision.
However, if I'm to lose checkuser, so should everyone else who holds it due to highly erratic recent contribution histories; more often than not you are going to have to refer cases to Stewards. --Brian McNeil / talk 22:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Brian, that part about CU inactivity isn't exactly true. Skenmy and Cirt are quite active with the tool, from what I'm told (the former is easily accessible thru IRC), and now that Craig's returned to more or less full activity, we should have enough to cover the gap. I still have to disagree the IP was a troll and especially with the way he was treated; as far as the Gaza article went, he simply wasn't familiar with our modus operandi and the publishing policy; at AAA, he was presenting a logical, although unpopular argument. And just because a community member requests a CU be performed doesn't mean one is obliged to fulfill it; ultimately the checkuser himself must ascertain that it is appropriate to perform the check. Tempodivalse[talk] 22:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was called a liar. No "proof"? I believe I just posted the aforementioned in my userspace.
Get on with it. Quote the diff containing this edit - you do have to ask a steward to toggle the bit, and they're more than welcome to than have you dickishly tear the project apart. Incidentally, nine times out of ten it is not skenmy you see in IRC, but an IRC bot. --Brian McNeil / talk 23:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, I know Skenmy uses a BNC. But I'm always able to ping him and get a response when I need something in the afternoon-evening UTC.
Seriously though, if people can't question another user's actions or provide a dissenting (but constructive) viewpoint without being replied to in such a manner, we are not going to have a good rep at all. While the IP's comments may have been somewhat upset (rightly or not), I don't see any real personal attack or outright rude comment that he made, either to you or anyone else. Tempodivalse[talk] 00:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also, I'm saddened that you consider me trying to tear apart the project; that is completely not the case. I dislike drama in general, I think it is divisive; but there are times when there's no avoiding it, and some problems simply need to be addressed upfront. It would be a sorry day indeed if we could not question or express concern about the actions of other users. If there's one thing about me, I'll always stand up for what I think is right or necessary for the project, even if it is unpopular. I'm honestly sorry if this has unduly angered or upset you; but I feel it has to be done. Tempodivalse[talk] 01:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain — per Bawolff. More than enough blame to go around, and, indeed, humans are wired for easy manipulation by a mob mentality (and the peer pressure that goes along with that mentality) (sorry, incorrect turn of phrase there). Gopher65talk 00:09, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'll note that even though I was, at the start, unfamiliar with the situation, and eventually I was the only one who voted to oppose the block, I still felt the pull of the mob on me. When I first hit AAA that day I almost went and voted {{support}} automatically, without thought, due to nothing more than the draw of the mob hive-mind. Once a mob is started, it is truly hard to resist its ferocious pull. Gopher65talk 00:26, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain, noting the wise comment by User:Bawolff, above. Will defer to outcome of community consensus regarding this issue. -- Cirt (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - It is with great sadness that I feel I must support this motion. I count Brian as a personal friend, having met him IRL I know that he is a sane, rational human being. However, the conduct he has displayed recently is not befitting of someone who is in such a restricted and limited position of power. When Tempodivalse first spoke to me about it I spent some time going through CU policies and the Foundation's Privacy Policy to see if Brian truly had broken the rules - and unfortunately it seems he has - in two separate, individually power-removing cases. Brian has threatened the use of the CU tool in an attempt to pressure an editor. This is inexcusable, and warrants removal of access. Brian has used the tool without a valid reason - I quote from the CU log: "disruption of community process". This is, in itself, not inexcusable - the mob mentality and "peer pressure" arguments come in to play here - however combined with the threat that was issued after the use of the tool, I cannot see how I can, with a clear conscience and keeping the policies and guidelines we work by in mind, oppose this motion. --Skenmytalk 07:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support- Unfortunately, this case is a blatant violation of checkuser policies, which warrants removal of the tools. It is a shame that we must do this to one of our most valued community members, but these actions have caused me to not trust him with checkuser and the great deal of power involved with it. It saddens me that I must vote in this, but this again was a very serious violation of policy. Tjc6 09:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain Whilst I do not think that any valid concerns should ever be "swept under the carpet" I question the timing of this request whilst emotions are clearly still charged. Also per Thunderhead. --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 11:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support basically for all of the reasons given above. I'll flag a steward down on meta. Benny the mascot (talk) 14:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Withdrawn by nominator. No consensus in any event. 7 support, 5 oppose, 7 abstain. Gopher65talk 15:56, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Per recent actions that I think have been overly dramatic and inflammatory, I would like to submit to the community a proposal to revoke Brian McNeil's administrative and bureaucrat privileges. His actions have been unbecoming of Wikinews, and only serve to inflame emotions further, at a time when that is the last thing we need. His actions in the Matthewedwards fiasco and in more recent events showed extremely poor judgement, and directly lead to the departure of several contributors, both permanent and temporary. I open this proposal to community discussion. C628 (talk) 19:01, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Enjoy your witch hunt guys. I do indeed regret What I did with Matthew Edwards' talk page. I do not regret what I did when I, much earlier than the block and image issue, removed his accreditation and email address. If Matthew is going to rant away below about the publication of emails - from which I removed personal email addresses and phone numbers - then someone else should have the nerve to publish IRC logs, and go over what happened there. There is an abundance of blame to go round; I've been this project's lightning-rod in the past, but it would seem I will cease to be such on, or after, the third of next month. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I thought I might change my vote, in light of points that have been brought up in the discussion (despite the astounding levels of hypocrisy by some of the parties making those points), but it has become crystal clear that this proceeding no longer has anything remotely to do with Brian. This is now only about the same mob that did the blocking and has never disbanded. It continues to gather momentum, and if allowed to run its course it will burn Wikinews to the ground until there is nothing left to burn. The mob doesn't care about Wikinews, one way or another; it doesn't care who its victims are, as long as it has a steady supply of them. I actually experienced a (relatively small scale) near-riot once, from the inside; the atmosphere felt like this, and afterward I concluded that perfectly rational remarks I had made to those around me had been amplified and fed back into that situation. Reread the comments here; some are reasonable, others amplify those and make new points that would seem perfectly reasonable if they were made differently. Notice the hypocrisy (about the only thing Brian did or was accused of that hasn't been done here is use images of death). Think about it. And keep thinking about it in the days ahead. Whether you decide you agree with me isn't important; what matters is that the more we stubbornly insist on thinking, the harder it will be for a mob to exist. --Pi zero (talk) 02:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I hope you won't mind a comment from someone with fairly extensive experience in complex user dispute resolution, who's on the outside looking in here. From my perspective, I see a good chunk of the Wikinews community going off the rails here, not simply one particular administrator/crat/checkuser. I look at the history of User:Matthewedwards' userpage, and I see quite a few names on the list, several of them admins editing through protection, for example. How you, as an independent community, decide to address the behaviour of specific individuals is strictly your call. I'll just suggest to you that removing the permissions of one individual does not mean that your community has actually solved the cultural problem that led to the behaviour we see here. I appreciate the fact that Wikinews has been striving to develop a more professional presentation, and that part of that professionalism is holding users to account if they are granted special permissions such as credentials. I cannot help wondering, however, why anyone would consider it professional to include of images of tombstones, guillotines and swinging corpses into block messages. Apologies to the user on the receiving end of such behaviour are entirely reasonable; however, if the apologies are user-specific, and there is no cultural shift away from the mentality that exacerbated what should have been a relatively straightforward and calm block discussion, you as a community will be here again. Risker (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC) For the record, this entire incident came to my attention because I am a listadmin for the Checkuser mailing list, and had to address certain issues following the removal of checkuser permissionsReply[reply]
well said. I personally think that this current debate has very little to do with Matthew, and much to do with how we as a community define professionalism. Bawolff☺☻ 03:52, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Well, this is embarrassing...Upon thought, someone withdraw this proposal, for reasons cited by numerous people below—it's only prolonging drama at a time when such is the last thing we need. My nomination has been described as "spurious," and I don't deny that that there may have been an element of that in there. However, I still stand by my comments about Brian's actions, just no longer strongly enough to keep this nomination open. Now, the embarrassing part here is that I have not the slightest idea how to go about closing said discussion, so assistance would be appreciated...Regards, C628 (talk) 15:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Reluctantly support—I hate to have to say this, and it comes from a heavy heart, but I believe Brian mis-handled the situation, and has been acting in a matter unbefitting of an administrator. De-sysopping him seems, reluctantly, to be necessary due to recent events. However, I would be one of the first to jump at the opportunity to re-sysop him in a few weeks, when everybody has cooled down a bit. Sorry, Brian! Δενδοδγετ\c 19:07, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OpposeBrian's always been a bit irascible —certainly since I've been here, anyway— and yeah, his nose has been out of joint over recent events ('nuff said). We as a community were collectively no longer comforable giving him checkuser, and he voluntarily relinquished it. But checkuser is a really phenomenally delicate power to wield, absurdly easy to abuse just by looking at it funny. Abusing the admin and crat bits would be a whole different sort of thing, and I don't think that of him. --Pi zero (talk) 19:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Just a quick clarification - are you striking your comment, or the vote as well? If it's the latter, then you probably should indent it and strike that out too. If the former, never mind ... Tempodivalse[talk] 02:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My vote stands. I should have said that explicitly here; apologies. --Pi zero (talk) 02:38, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Bit late, but whatever...support as nominator, for the record. C628 (talk) 19:38, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The strongest oppose ever He acted like an idiot, but I don't think we should be doing this. Everything is going from bad to worse. Stop the drama. --Diego Grezreturn fire 19:40, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So what would you suggest? He just goes ahead acting like an idiot? Awesome. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
After considering this, I'm sorry but I have to Support this. Brian did very idiotic things. He abused his position of authority, and his actions seem very biased. Brian has done a very good job in the past, but he needs to take an obliged break. His grandmother died. We didn't knew his side. I feel like a fool too by supporting that idiotic community ban. --Diego Grezreturn fire 23:16, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose enough with the crucifictions. Shit happened, he fucked up. he's already been bitch slapped a few times. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 19:46, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support What I saw in the past few days from Brian was, sadly, a display well below the standards I would expect every user to adhere to - especially an Administrator and Bureaucrat. The way that he handled Matthew's block and surrounding controversy - the hanging image, and especially the rude way in which he treated an IP, who was the only user smart enough to figure out what really was going on - would have been very easily a blockable offence had anyone else committed it. That only served to inflame an already bad, drama-infested situation. I appreciate Brian's ability to be blunt when required - sometimes you have to tell people things directly at the risk of hurting their feelings - but as of late, it appears he is no longer able to distinguish the line between when it is appropriate, and when it is flat-out, uncalled-for rudeness. As a direct result of this, several users have been deterred from the project and our image amongst the WMF, already poor, has been further spoiled. In response to Pi zero's comment above - no, I don't think he'd really abuse the tools per se, but an important characteristic any administrator needs to have is to be able to interact with other people reasonably well, and I'm not sure I see this here. Sorry Brian. I appreciate your work, but I just don't have much faith in your ability to act correctly anymore. Tempodivalse[talk] 19:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Changed now to Abstain. I still feel upset and very uncomfortable about Brian's actions and behaviour, but at the same time am glad to see there's been some acknowledgment from him that things need to change, that he was wrong about Matthew, and that he's actively trying to propose new ideas. This has indeed turned to something of a witch-hunt; I think we need some time to cool down and reflect on whether we really needed this. Tempodivalse[talk] 12:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose (edit conflict) Now we're just looking for scapegoats? Let's put all this crap behind us and move on and report the news like we are supposed to be doing. —Mikemoral♪♫ 19:54, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose, he didn't abuse the tools and there are heated editors all about the project. I agree with Mikemoral's scapegoat sentiment. Removing his flags won't solve anything; can't we just put this behind us already? Blurpeace 20:24, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, per [3]. Brian has clearly learned nothing from this incident. Blurpeace 23:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Strongest support possible, obviously. Hey may not have abused the "tools", but he did abuse his position.
Every single post McNeil made at WN:AAA served to humiliate and damn me, and fuel the lynching mob.
He published private emails that no doubt everybody has seen by now at User talk:Brian McNeil/Tour of California. He knew he shouldn't because he said he "will publish [the emails] and be damned". As a crat, and as an admin, he should know that he is not allowed to publish private emails. Not only did he publish mine, which included naming the city I live in, but he also published Taya Varnuchpun's, the media rep from the event. How is this acceptable? He did not even publish all the emails. He published those that apparently proved his case in how awful and deceptive I am in an attempt to discredit me further.
If he did "waste hours writing emails", why is it he tells me, "For me, the fun's been writing some semi-outrageous bullshit to get you in. :D If you'd want to do the 2011 one too, then keep in touch with this promoter guy. The Wikinews Cabal would help sweet-talk him" and "Oh, and please make sure I get further opportunities to concoct outrageous bluffs."? He has lied and cheated his way to seeing me blocked because he feels he's been "taken for a ride". That is unacceptable behaviour for an admin and crat.
He vindictivly posted several images of death to my user page in a clear attempt to humiliate me: 1, 2, 3. This is not the behaviour of a well balanced individual who can be trusted to be an admin or crat.
Not only that, but he is obviously unaware of the policies and guidelines he is supposed to uphold as an admin. Surely he should know that this is block evasion, posting images of death one someone's userpage is not within Wikinews:Etiquette, emails are private and copywritten.
I won't get into the abuse of checkuser, because that's been handled already (but does anyone know if he checkusered me? Because I'm sure he believed that IP was me), but if anybody else had done what he has, they would be blocked. If they were an admin, they would be de-sysopped. But because McNeil has for so long been allowed to bully and stomp his way around here like an Editor in chief, and is under the disillution that he is a "senior editor", he feels he does not have to follow the rules. As a rule enforcer, he is one of the first who should follow them.
Support it's really not about abusing his tools, but he appears to be the godhead around here, and his recent actions have undermined the very thin integrity that Wikinews has. Keeping him as the figurehead of the project is a joke, and would make this project the same. Even supporters are saying "he fucked up" and "He acted like an idiot". But then the same supporters are happy for him to carry on carrying on. Joke. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've been following the drama here and just wanted to provide an outsider opinion. I will remain neutral as a !vote however I am inclined to agree with the above post. As a bureaucrat he is supposed to maintain professionalism and he did some things that truly are unbefitting of such a position which reflects negatively on Wikinews as a whole. At the same time, he has done some outstanding things for this project that should also be taken into account, plus we shouldn't let this become yet another lynch mob, otherwise we haven't really learned from our mistakes the first time. If there should be any consequences I would suggest removing the crat rights but cut him some slack on the admin bit as a compromise maybe. -- OlEnglish (talk) 05:59, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose — I see no reason to either de-admin or de-bureaucrat Brian.Abstain — Sorry. Gopher65talk 23:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support regretfully, per Blurpeace. I didn't think this would get worse, but obviously I've been proved wrong for the umpteenth time. —fetch·comms 01:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose -- enough with the witch hunt. I have suggested to Brian that he take a break to collect himself and would add that if any one doen't get over this thing, I will swing the ban hammer --RockerballAustraliac 02:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain --Per my piece on the Water Cooler. Tris 14:16, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And please read what Pi Zero and Risker say above-it makes sense. Tris 14:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Comment The below two requests were archived by SGN as failed. However, I'm going to be bold and return them here since there is AFAIK no time limit for these things to remain open, and really, it's rather unrealistic to think that we're going to be able to muster 25+ votes in only a few days. No need to rush into things, IMHO ... Tempodivalse[talk] 19:26, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't mind that much either way, but I would point out that new votes have stopped coming in (not counting C628 since that happened after the intial archive, the last vote to come in for either of these two candidates was a week ago) its been 2 weeks since both were intially open (well skenmys was 2 weeks minus 1 day, but almost) which is the recommended time. Bawolff☺☻ 21:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My bad on Skenmy's, I forgot his was open later. Here's what I said about this on my talk page "If you guys want to, leave them open for another 2 weeks... honestly I don't think that'll make any difference. I canvas'd the mailing list (twice), tweeted about it, set site notices (twice) and generally harassed people." If we get 10 more votes for Skenmy (heck, leave it open for 2 more weeks)... I'll eat my hat. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 21:22, 21 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We have no oversighters and seem to have a need for them. Our recent .... scuffle... has gotten into the areas of private info. People requests stewards come in to do the oversighting, which is fine, but we should be able to do this in house. On top of that, when stewards come in, no one actually knows whats going on (Obviously it is private and that is why it was oversighted... but it is very strange to see oversights in places like WN:RFP out of the blue). So I run for said oversight. Yes I'm over 18, no I dont mind being ID'd to the foundation. I'm not sure if oversight requires 2 people on wiki like CU does (or maybe it's the other way arround). Anyways, someone say something if we do. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 21:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I don't think we need oversighters. Right now it's not like we're inundated with oversightable material (like en.wikipedia) and the stewards could handle it easily and in a timely manner. Whereas, if we had local OS, then the stewards would be reluctant to do it, and we'd have to wait for local OS to show up, which would take longer as there are fewer of them and not always online. So i'd probably not support getting local oversighters. (Does that make sense?) Tempodivalse[talk] 21:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would be ideal to have more than one oversighter, in different time zones. --Diego Grezreturn fire 21:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
But we still wouldn't have as many oversighters as there are stewards, and they wouldn't be nearly as active per capita. Tempodivalse[talk] 21:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Makes sense to me. I think the stewards would still be likely to do it, especially if you say "hey, look, our 2 are offline right this moment". It is time sensitive after all. I figure more accessible OS means faster OS. At least with local OS's, we'd be able to know what was OS'd (not to share, but at least to answer the "Why was this completely random edit OS'd? Well because someone forgot to login.") --ShakataGaNai^_^ 21:52, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment, I respectfully abstain from voting. No offence, but I'm of the opinion that we have users who are better suited to this position. Tempodivalse[talk] 23:29, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tempo. You know how we talked about the different ways of seeing the world, and how many times, even if you "mean well", you're insulting? This is one of those times. "No offense, but fuck you asshole" is still offensive, even if you prepend "No offense". By saying "we have users who are better suited to this position" basically you're saying "Ok, this idea has merit, but I'm specifically not going to vote for you". That is insulting. You and I don't see eye to eye, we never have... I don't expect you to vote for me, I'm not going to vote for you. That does not mean I'm going to show up at every vote you have saying "{{abstain}} No offense, This use simply isn't what Wikinews wants". I don't want to cause any more drama than the wiki already has... but in the future, consider simply shutting up and going somewhere else. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 06:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
-shrug- Perhaps I should have, but this sort of vote doesn't allow for neutrals/abstentions and I don't want to oppose, so this seemed like the next best venue to explain my not voting. I know we're not exactly on the best terms with each other, and given our differing viewpoints on how things should be run, probably rarely will; bluntly, I think it's better we had someone for this position that could keep calmer in heated situations than yourself, since OS is so very difficult to undo. I get upset easily myself, so it's hardly for me to judge, but nonetheless I'm not 100% comfortable supporting. Sorry. Tempodivalse[talk] 12:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do you consider your language and tone appropriate, SGN? I certainly do not. --Skenmytalk 12:58, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You can oppose tempo. The vote for CU and OS is 25 support, 70% pass rate. So you can vote against it just like any other vote. Please, if you think I suck, feel free to vote against me (you'll note Skenmy has). I'm not upset at you, but we had many a fights between you and I, mostly started from the fact that your "trying to be nice" was anything but. I'm not the only one that is insulted by these things. I'm hoping that if I illustrate these situations... you'll understand them better and we won't have as much trouble in the future. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 16:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Skenmy, I'm sorry you felt slighted by my use of demonstration language. I was trying to make a point in the most clear terms possible. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 16:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know how the tools work (have them elsewhere). I've been around for long enough to know what should and shouldn't be orbital striked. I'm easy to get a hold of (Always in IRC). Most importantly, while I approach problems head on and have not made friends (See above), I am capable highly capable of discretion in terms of keeping peoples private info and requests safe. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 18:13, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I trust this guy, he won't abuse the tools, I'm sure (not really sure, but well). --Diego Grezreturn fire 21:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, trustworthy editor and a project the size of Wikinews requires at least two local oversighters. Tempodivalse's concerns are unconvincing. Blurpeace 21:51, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Wikinews had oversighters in the past; I was one of them. That had to be handed back over a technicality, such being the change to voting requirements over on meta. Shaka is one of the few people I really would trust with such a tool. --Brian McNeil / talk 00:56, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support I do see where the opposes have come from. However, particularly recently but from time to time throughout my years here, SGN has actually proven himself to be highly trustworthy and know what he's doing. Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs) 11:26, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose without wanting to be dramatic, I don't trust SGN with the tools he already has, let alone Oversight. --Skenmytalk 14:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain Unsure. Tris 18:05, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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We may as well have two oversighters. I had it before as a steward and I know how to use it. I am already identified to the foundation from then as well. We have used oversight a handful of times in the past. I believe we can respond faster when its needed with local OS--Cspurrier (talk) 21:50, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Correction from my above, we do need 2. OS's, like CU. Check's and balances and all that. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 21:53, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question I see from your contributions that you haven't been consistently active. Is this going to continue over the next year or so? Do you intend to be available to perform your oversight duties? Benny the mascot (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The big reason for my inactivity (working on my MA) is gone (I graduated), I expect to be able to maintain a reasonable activity level for the foreseeable future. --Cspurrier (talk) 15:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have experience using the tools, having used them both here and on other Wiki's as a steward. I believe (like all of the other candidates) that I have a good grasp of what would be an appropriate use of the tools.--Cspurrier (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support After careful thought - I know less of you than the other candidates - I trust you with the tool as well. Blood Red Sandman(Talk)(Contribs) 11:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
weak oppose Craig vanishes for prolonged stints, and has given no indication this will not happen again. I do trust Craig to do the job, I just don't trust him to be there when needed, nor to have been suitably active in any on-wiki role to be less-useful than a steward. The whole principle is about having, on-tap, our own oversighters. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
weak oppose I have to agree with Brian on this one. Congrats on graduating, but who knows if you'll be gone again. --Calebrw (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain - I've not been on wikinews too long so I can only vote for members whom I've had experience with and since I have not yet met this candidate, I can neither vote yea or nay - but I did feel I should explain why, hence the abstain. Turtlestack (talk) 06:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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We need at least 2 OS's, preferably more (should one not pass the election, or need to step down). Bawolff is possibly one of the most chilled, laid back, and least drama involved people on Wikinews I know. As such, I think he'd make an excellent Oversight. Plus, as an added bonus, we'd have more people for Tempo to haras should something need Orbital Striking. He, like everyone else up for vote, is a crat, and was also a previous ArbCom. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 23:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like to think I am level headed and all that. (Of course when evaluating myself I have a conflict of interest). Bawolff☺☻ 02:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note that if this RFP passes, a steward might look at this vote in a state of massive confusion... Benny the mascot (talk) 03:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
very strong support. As two people are required to man the Memory Hole Management Team, I have to pick Bawolff as the second, because I know I can get hold of him within a reasonable timeframe. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:50, 9 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Could someone please remove the reviewer flag from my account? Although I rarely edit here, I do not feel comfortable editing here at all at this time. NuclearWarfare (talk) 01:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Requesting adminship again after my return to the project. I'd like to know whether the community thinks I can still be trusted with the tools after the mess of the past couple of weeks, which I've been involved in. Cheers, C628 (talk) 01:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Strong support as you were one of the few people during the mob-lynching that were rational, and probably the most mature person there. I trust you. Tempodivalse[talk] 01:53, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Usually I am somewhat opposed to people resigning and then suddenly coming back and wanting their privs back (resigning should mean something), but in this case, everyone got a little heated, and I am very happy to see you want to come back. strong support. Bawolff☺☻ 02:14, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes I see your point, this was a lot sooner than I expected to be be back, but I felt that I couldn't just stand on the sidelines for this. C628 (talk) 02:17, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support The de-sysop nomination may or may not turn out badly, but it was done with thought and integrity, and the more admins we have with those, the better. --Pi zero (talk) 02:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - I'm not sure if I have standing here, but if so, please register this as a support. This message is left in my capacity as a volunteer and editor, not as a staff member of the Wikimedia Foundation. Philippe (talk) 05:36, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it is safe to say the community approves. --ShakataGaNai^_^ 22:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I accept partial responsibility for everything that happened regarding Matthewedwards and his community ban. I therefore put myself up for reconfirmation so that the community may decide if it still wants me to serve as admin and reviewer. Oh, and this happened. :( Benny the mascot (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question how do you feel you have addressed the issues you raise above? Note I shall be asking this of anyone putting themself up for reconfirmation --Александр Дмитрий (Alexandr Dmitri) (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good question. First of all, let me begin with my handling of the move war. My decision to protect the article was an unwise decision on my part, and I have promised to think more carefully the next time a similar incident occurs. As for the Matthewedwards fiasco, I have apologized personally to him on his talk page, and I am currently drafting a community resolution that will (hopefully) solve the mess we are in right now. --Benny the mascot (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support You have my full trust, and were one of the few people during the entire fiasco to not lose their heads and rush into the mob lynching. As for the edit war thingy, I don't consider that to be a big mistake, just a small slip-up, nothing to be overly concerned about. However, i don't think it would be a bad idea for all us admins involved with Matthew's block in some way to put themselves up for reconfirm. I'm considering doing so. Tempodivalse[talk] 17:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support. Like Tempo said, you were an exception in that you didn't lose your mind during recent events. C628 (talk) 17:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Yes, you called for the ban in the first place, but throughout the rest of it you didn't follow the crowd and seemed to be a lone voice often. Hey, you made a mistake with the edit war and that's no big deal provided you learnt from your mistake. I congratulate you on your willingness to put yourself up for reconfirmation. Tris 17:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Hey, you're more active than me, and you've made less screwups than me, and these people kept me around. :-) --Thunderhead(t - e - c) 01:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Safe to say, we're not throwing you out (Yet). --ShakataGaNai^_^ 19:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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As one of your Bureaucrats, Checkusers, and long-term sysop, I feel that I would be suitable to hold the position of Oversight. Some people may call in to question the amount of inactivity I have had over the past few months, and I am not going to try and make excuses - my life has been getting in the way. However, I have stayed abreast of the community, I feel I am up to date with policy and current issues. Even during my apparent inactivity - I am pretty much always pingable on IRC for sysop, bureaucrat, and checkuser tasks.
Having more than 2 users with a priv is always a good idea to prevent corruption and misuse. I would not be particularly comfortable if our number of checkusers dropped below what we currently have, and I would not be comfortable with 2 (and slightly uneasy with 3) Oversighters. Therefore I believe it is in the best interests of the community that I offer my assistance and stand for the position of Oversighter.
I believe I am level headed enough to deal with the tool appropriately, I am not one prone to see red or get involved in slanging matches - I am honest, open, and I hope that I still have enough trust in this community to continue to hold tools bestowed upon me, as well as serve in new ways with new tools. As a CU, I am already identified to the Foundation. --Skenmytalk 17:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment IIRC, you are actually part of your local constabulary. I am very wary of someone in such a position being given such a responsibility. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Without making comment on the accuracy of the statement, why would you be wary? --Skenmytalk 15:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The risk of outside pressure to inappropriately use the tool. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:01, 13 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not even going to dignify that outrageous comment with a response. --Skenmytalk 09:54, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So, on the assumption that you're a special constable - or otherwise involved with the police (which you have neither confirmed nor denied), you would resign from that position if a similar situation to the Virgin Killer one came up and you were ordered to remove content from the project by superiors. Really, I do not consider this an unreasonable comment or query. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Such a situation could not arise - paranoia aside, that sort of "ordering" simply doesn't exist outside of a court. --Skenmytalk 12:25, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is not paranoia, and you are quite correct such should happen through a court. My concern is based on many years experience with authorities such as the police. The previous Virgin Killer 'incident' was hideously mismanaged, and the mass blocking of people's editing access to Wikimedia projects went ahead without any reference to a court. --Brian McNeil / talk 13:06, 14 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That didn't have anything to do with the police though. That happened because the government in the UK handed off the job of watching the internet to a privately run special interest group manned by religious fanatics. You can't blame the police for that. Gopher65talk 22:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Abstain - I've not been on wikinews too long so I can only vote for members whom I've had experience with and since I have not yet met this candidate, I can neither vote yea or nay - but I did feel I should explain why, hence the abstain. Turtlestack (talk) 06:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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As one of your Bureaucrats, Checkusers, and long-term sysop, I feel that I would be suitable to hold the position of Oversight. Some people may call in to question the amount of inactivity I have had over the past few months, and I am not going to try and make excuses - my life has been getting in the way. However, I have stayed abreast of the community, I feel I am up to date with policy and current issues. Even during my apparent inactivity - I am pretty much always pingable on IRC for sysop, bureaucrat, and checkuser tasks.
Having more than 2 users with a priv is always a good idea to prevent corruption and misuse. I would not be particularly comfortable if our number of checkusers dropped below what we currently have, and I would not be comfortable with 2 (and slightly uneasy with 3) Oversighters. Therefore I believe it is in the best interests of the community that I offer my assistance and stand for the position of Oversighter.
I believe I am level headed enough to deal with the tool appropriately, I am not one prone to see red or get involved in slanging matches - I am honest, open, and I hope that I still have enough trust in this community to continue to hold tools bestowed upon me, as well as serve in new ways with new tools. As a CU, I am already identified to the Foundation. --Skenmytalk 17:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment IIRC, you are actually part of your local constabulary. I am very wary of someone in such a position being given such a responsibility. --Brian McNeil / talk 19:26, 11 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Without making comment on the accuracy of the statement, why would you be wary? --Skenmytalk 15:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Question What is your view of the distinction between support by the community and trust by the community? --Pi zero (talk) 16:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Comment Thanks for the support, guys. Kinda makes me feel like a fool for putting reconfirms up so frequently (last one was seven months ago). :-p I've had people tell me in RL that I lack enough self-confidence, so that's probably part of my problem here. Nonetheless, I'd prefer this goes the full seven days, constructive feedback is appreciated and I'd like to find areas where I can improve. Cheers, Tempodivalse [talk] 17:53, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Support There's a difference between screwing up - as we all do - and losing the support of the community. The image thing, as I commented, was a discussion we needed to have. As for the others - well, it's not that long since I was stopped on IRC before reviewing something I'd worked on too much. Don't be so hard on yourself. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 01:01, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Support Relax...you'll always make mistakes. Stop doubting yourself. Benny the mascot (talk) 04:42, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Oppose, only a dozen edits to this project, can't tell if this would make a good oversighter due to lack of contributions to the project. Recommend speedy close. Tempodivalse [talk] 18:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
Neutral I have nothing against Rockerball, but still am a bit uncomfortable about this request. I'd rather that he tried requesting Editor status first, and try to regain some trust of the community, and not jump directly to an admin. If this were an editor nom, I'd gladly support, but admins need to have full support of the community to avoid conflicts, IMO, and I'm not sure I see that here. Tempodivalse [talk] 23:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Abstain He has written a lot of articles, but I still think he needs more time then 2 months. Also he has been blocked from other projects (IE: Wikipeida) Irunongames•play 19:54, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Done Tempodivalse [talk] 01:03, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
