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[edit] Nzgabriel

I wish to request reconfirmation of my adminship. I believe that I do not really need these tools, as I hardly ever do any administrator actions, except for the odd deletion. I have done very little vandalism checking (but have found some). I have done very little articles lately (because I am trying to focus harder on original reporting and exclusive interviews.

Please do not vote based on what I have done article or community wise, but how and when I have used the special administrator tools. --Nzgabriel | Talk 01:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Keep them if you want them, request them removed if you want, but I definitly consider you trustworthy enough to have them them. Although you may not need them, they are not hurting you, you are not required to use them, and who knows they might come in handy one day. Its better to have them and not need them, then to be stuck here with no admins around well WoW goes on a rampage (but then again if that happens, all you need to do is have a quick chat with the folks at #wikimedia-stewards so it is not that big a deal). Besides, look at all are inactive admins. You're way more active then Eloquence, Chiacomo has more or less fallen off the face of the earth, there are several other editors who use them way way less. Administrative tools in my opinion are generally given on the basis of I trust you not to be an idiot, not I need the tools. (For the record that is a support you keeping them) Bawolff ☺☻
• Support you keeping them, you've proven yourself trustworthy. Per Bawolff above me, an trusted admin who does even a handful of deletions etc. is better than no admin at all. Daniel 03:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support. The atmosphere here is to give adminship easily, but we still need good editors more.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support Nzgabriel's writing/editing skills are excellent and he is a valued contributor. No need to give up "the buttons" just because they are not used often. Strong support! Jcart1534 12:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support We need more admins, who first and foremost are writers Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 05:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support of course Jacques Divol 09:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support Bawolff has put it quite well, you may feel you initially got the extra buttons because you saw situations where they would be useful (i.e. you though you needed them). However, the community wouldn't have given you them if it did not trust you with them. I see no reason why that trust should be withdrawn, even if you're only deleting the odd bit of spam once or twice a month. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 09:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] User:CommonsDelinker

I propose granting this bot admin status to enable it to deal with problem images used in articles which have been archived and protected. The operation of this bot seems to be supported at WN:BOT#Request_for_UserPageBot, and admin status would greatly improve the ability of this bot to serve the project. For more information about the function of this bot see meta:User:CommonsDelinker. Please note that it is only adminship I am proposing, I don't think it is appropriate to give it a bot flag and this seems to be the consensus at WN:BOT. This is a very useful bot but it does need keeping an eye on as of course the admins over at Commons can make mistakes occasionally. Adambro 11:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support - As the user proposing admin status, I of course support. Adambro 11:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: Of course this bot would need admin status to be useful, but it would also need someone to watch over it... a lot of images that would get deleted could possibly be locally uploaded and if no-one checks what the images this bot removes, it would compromise the integrity of Wikinews as a news archive. So, who would watch after it? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:09, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• abstain. I'd like to note we still don't have clear agreement what to do when images go bye bye on archived news. Should we replace with similiar image, should we remove the image, or should we keep the red link there to show there used to be an image there. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't personally want a bot deleting images from our protected articles. We could have it list them on a page for human administrators to delete. Thunderhead 23:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose I dislike image bots on this project Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 03:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. a brain dead administrator, not bot. -Edbrown05 07:11, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose Sorry, people make mistakes, automated software just speeds the process up and removes any potential step for quick corrective action. I support use of bots for readily defineable tasks (eg calendaring), but I don't think image management on archived articles is well defined. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 07:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment - Fair enough, it seems this is unlikely to be successful as users have valid concerns about this bot. However, if the community don't want CommonsDelinker deleting images (well, not from protected pages at least), are administrators going to actually monitor Wikinews:CommonsTicker. I can see images on that list that have been deleted but not yet dealt with. We cannot have it both ways, either we do the work in a prompt manner or, if unable, we let the bot do it. I note the comment by Bawolff, perhaps it is time to clarify our approach to deleted images. Adambro 08:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I would like to apologise for this. I had fixed most of the links and pics but had just not filled out the sections in the template due to my huuuuuuuuuge hate of paperwork. If you look carefully most of the problems have been fixed. --MarkTalk 09:42, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support, as I have said before, this is a need. We lost the trophy image because we weren't careful enough, if we had noticed then it wouldn't have been deleted. This will help delete those images that no longer exist on old articles and we haven't noticed that have been deleted, making our "historical records" look better.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nzgabriel (talk • contribs) June 21
• Support - A bot would help greatly with what I feel is a cumbersome maintenance task on Wikinews. All it does is edit, so I believe all the FUD-based opposes are dead wrong. If the bot screws up, it can be fixed. But as far as I know, I haven't heard anything bad about it. →MR 03:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment. We need a far more sophisticated bot than the CommonsDelinker if we are to deal with the deletion of images used in archived articles. Any change to material in the archive should be immediately visible to someone viewing the page. I have already made a number of enquiries on making this easier to enforce. Firstly we need left/right templates that are used to replace removed images on archived articles. Second, we need to see edits to protected pages in RC so this process is readily oversighted. I have briefly exchanged comments with Brion Vibber in IRC and he suggests RC showing a padlock icon next to any change to a fully protected article. I trust him not to suggest this if it was difficult, but it may need approval from somewhere to permit someone to spend paid-for time working on it. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 20:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Left/right templates— that is extremly easy to do. Highlighting edits to protected pages is harder (from the perspective of I can't make it happen), and would probably require something done on the server end by a developer, but we could highlight anything commonDelinker touches with a , lock image or very easily. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Once I finish work I'll pop into #mediawiki and ask about a software change. Adambro, could you ask whoever runs the bot to take a look at our - not totally worked out - Archiving policy, and this discussion? I know they're trying to keep commons clean, but a bot isn't capable of deciding whether an image should be locally uploaded or replaced with a template that says it has been removed due to licensing issues. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 09:03, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I took the time to file a feature request on bugzilla. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 12:06, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Thunderhead

I would like to request reconfirmation of my adminship. I have recently made some judgement errors, and I believe that I may not have the support of the community. While I haven't been an administrator for long, I want to make sure that the current and past community still wants me as an administrator. Thank you for your time. Thunderhead 01:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

You're young (right?), you are likely to make mistakes. People are not so likely to fault you for that if you admit to your mistakes and learn from them. Do you think you've learned from what you consider your errors? Can you cite some examples - I know that sounds like "show you're maturing as a contributor" - but we've all made mistakes in the past. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 11:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support Write more articles. ;-) --Brian McNeil / ^talk 11:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
• Thupport :-) --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support "Errors" can sometimes be just difference of opinion. Jcart1534 00:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support Errors, what errors. I have yet to see any. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support - We all make mistakes, the key is to learn from them and not make the same mistakes again. I'm not aware of what errors you feel you've made recently but providing you can learn from them I wouldn't have too much concern about it. Adambro 08:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Mistakes are human nature, im sure Brian has made a few mistakes at some point and i don't mind admiting that ive made a few. As long as you learn from them i dont see any problems. --MarkTalk 09:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup. :) --Brian McNeil / ^talk 07:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support As bawolff says Errors, what errors. I have yet to see any. Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 03:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support for supporters of wikinews. -Edbrown05 07:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• I see no reason not to support. Daniel 08:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support you have done nothing that makes me question your motives, etc, and, you even gave me a Wikistar :) . --Nzgabriel | Talk 10:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support No need for removal of privilages. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 11:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support Nyarlathotep 14:49, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Daniel

Hello :) For those of you who I haven't yet met on Wikinews, I'm Daniel (talk · contribs), also known as Daniel Bryant. Some of you may also know me from the English Wikipedia, where I'm Daniel also, formerly Daniel.Bryant.

I'm nominating myself for administrator tools so I can help out the English Wikinews community. Beyond the normal stuff like deleting speedy candidates, closing deletion request discussions, and cleaning out abandoned etc. categories, I'd like to help out in the following areas also:-

• Be able to edit protected/archived pages to remove redlinked categories (ie. Special:Categories)
• Be able to respond to editprotected requests in a more timely fashion wherever possible
• Be able to help out with archiving (I promise, I really don't hate it that much!)
• In the event that such a situation occurs, be able to edit protected pages in response to an OTRS ticket

As for my other Wikinews, Wikipedia and Metawiki roles, I'm an English Wikipedia administrator, a member of the Mediation Committee, currently serving (no laughing, Martin!) as the Chair of that Committee. I've been a member of the Wikimedia OTRS team for a while now, dealing with English Wikipedia and (more recently) English Wikinews emails. And, thanks to this community's gratitude, I have accreditation to help me cover big events, although Adelaide has been devoid of these 'big events' for a while now (*crosses fingers*). My accreditation request is here.

On Wikinews, I've written these articles since I joined back in December. I've recently become more active here than on English Wikipedia in the article sense, because my true writing love is in reporting current events.

So, feel free to ask me any questions below, and I'll get back to you as soon as possible (I'm in-and-out of hospital/doctor's clinic in the next couple of days, and sleeping a lot to recover, so please forgive any short delays). I hope the Wikinews community can trust me enough to give me the extra three buttons so I can help maintain Wikinews :)

Cheers, Daniel 05:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

• What is the meaning of life? Thunderhead - (talk) 05:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I thought I knew the answer to this question, until I saw this exchange. Now I'm just confused :) Daniel 05:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Alright ... how about ... what is the numerical equivelant of infinity? Thunderhead - (talk) 05:45, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? --TUFKAAP 17:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

• I hope you have not forgotten about our new archiving method we are now using :) Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 05:54, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems AWB has since been given the feature to bot-like protect pages. That page, which was intended to solve the manual issue, may now be redundant to the AWB auto-protect feature (I'm not sure, having never tried protecting on Wikinews, not being an administrator). We'll have to see if anyone still wishes to use the APL... Daniel 06:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

also. I think ArchiveBot runs soon (second week of each month?) using these methods Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 06:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• You say you will be "cleaning out abandoned etc. categories", will you also be saving articles from the floor of the newsroom by formatting and expanding them? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Most certainly. Copyediting/'wikifying', as it's called on English Wikipedia, is something I really enjoy. Myself and Doldrums helped publish this (see right at the bottom - it's since changed a lot, such is the nature of Wikinews). There was also this one (where I changed this initial IP version into this published story). I am all for improving stories which meet our content guide, and it is a good area for experienced Wikinewsies to help out (the WN:SG can take some getting used to). Daniel 11:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• Will you list yourself as an Admin open to recall ? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I want to do some research about AOR on Wikinews before I commit either way. I didn't place myself in this category on the English Wikipedia as it was clearly being abused by people simply being annoying over petty little things, but from my limited experience with such disputes on Wikinews you guys seem to be a lot better. As I said, please give me a chance to read the history of AAA and reconfirmations in the archives of this page before I announce either way. Cheers, and thanks for understanding, Daniel 11:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Follow-up: Yes, I will, however I won't commit to it permanently. As I say, if the situation with regards to AOR at Wikinews becomes like English Wikipedia, then I will withdraw myself from that category. Otherwise, yep, I'm in. Daniel 00:45, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

• As a Wikipedia vet, how do you think we can improve cooperation with and/or lure users from Wikipedia, if that would be something we want? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I like to slip in a word wherever possible when something notable happens and there's a discussion on Wikipedia about a recent event. I also like the templates which bring attention to Wikinews (ie. "Wikinews has news articles on..."). Beyond that, a little invitation or two to grace us over here to some people I know when they are feeling pissed off with the unique environment at the English Wikipedia can't hurt either :) To answer the last part of your question, there are certainly some users we would want, and there are others who we wouldn't want. The key to continuing this brilliant community's run of success is keeping the balance, wherever possible, on the 'good' side. Daniel 11:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Absolute Support Thunderhead - (talk) 05:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support I wanted to be first, but Thunderhead came in like a bolt of lightning (heh) Zachary 05:42, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Haha, very funny ;) Thunderhead - (talk) 05:43, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• Strong Support This is unfair. Conspiracy I was going to be the first to support Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 05:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Brian McNeil / ^talk 08:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support Adambro 08:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support and get well soon. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 11:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support: DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 12:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support: Jacques Divol 20:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 06:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support --SVTCobra 09:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support Always need an extra hand! --TUFKAAP 17:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Brian New Zealand (Bureaucrat)

Okay, Fellow Wikinewsies,

Bureaucrats turn regular users into sysops; perform username changes and bot flagging..

I believe that Wikinews's bureaucrat needs have at times been going unfulfilled, and I have been interested in running for bureaucratship for a while now, thus I think we could use some more, and after talking to people in IRC, I would like to humbly submit my name. I like to feel that I have shown dedication to this project, I have been a user here now for nearly 2 years, with most of that time active.

Please, feel free to ask any questions, and rest assured, what every the outcome, I’m here to stay :) Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 12:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• Support: DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 12:16, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support.--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 13:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• support JoshuaZ 14:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support Adambro 15:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support, a long time in the making. Brian already has checkuser, a much more senstitive tool, and has proven that he's 100% trustworthy with it. I see no reason why giving him bureaucrat tools would cause any negative effects on Wikinews. Daniel 01:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support, does seem to be a need for more 'crats[1]. –Doldrums(talk) 13:58, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support, BrianNZ is one of the well-respected and trusted contributors around here. I'd trust him with the powers. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:05, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support Jacques Divol 20:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support Thunderhead - (talk) 06:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• About Bloody Time --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 06:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support --SVTCobra 09:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support Someone I have complete trust and faith in - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• what's a bureucrat? -sp? -Edbrown05 11:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
  • There's some information at Meta. Basically, they can technically promote other users to administrator status, change usernames, and grant bot flags. Cheers, Daniel 11:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
    • so the pecking order is: in order of importance starting from 1st to last: editor: accreditted user: administrator: arbcom: steward: bureaucrat: -BNZ is flip likeme -Edbrown05 11:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
      • If there is a "pecking order", stewards are certainly higher than bureaucrats (Meta), and I'd strongly argue that ArbCom is as well. However, as we all know, being an x or a y affords one no more power in debating an issue or anything else. It's merely a technical ability, like what administrators get, to perform maintenance tasks. Daniel 11:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. Now I know better than to provide a vote rationale. -Edbrown05 11:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

But the wierd thing is, it goes from squeamish to a report in no time. I know BNZ supports that. -Edbrown05 12:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

• Support - a very trustworthy user here on Wikinews. --Nzgabriel | Talk 06:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support I back Brian 100%, he deserves this. --TUFKAAP 17:26, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support —Zachary ^talk 16:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support -- Alastor Moody _{(T + C)} 21:52, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Jcart1534 14:11, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Messedrocker

I'm not sure if this requires the full seven days, but in any case I would like to re-apply for the following reasons:

• To revert large scale vandalism. I've seen two large scale vandalism episodes recently which took a while to stop because no admins were around to block the IPs, even though I was online and of no help unfortunately. When I was an admin, I was typically able to end pagemove vandalism and the like rather quickly, and I'd like to be able to do that again.
• To maintain WN:CV, especially during the migration to the system I proposed (if it gets approved)

If that is good enough, please reconsider re-instating my adminship. MessedRocker (talk) 11:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• Support. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Brian McNeil / ^talk 15:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Not even sure why you don't have it now. Nyarlathotep 15:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Because I resigned and this is my way of getting it back. MessedRocker (talk) 17:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Welcome back :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support I appreciate the point that Messedrocker makes about the frustration of seeing vandalism ongoing and not being able to stop it as this is a point I made in accepting my nomination, although I think, based upon the history, it is appropriate to leave this to run for the full seven days. I've looked at the context in which you stepped down and I am in some ways disappointed that you did that and then returned, in some ways I feel your resignation could appear to be an unnecessarily disruptive way of making a point. I am supporting you on the understanding that you have thought carefully about this and would think very carefully before resigning any privileges in the future. I think the community would be much less tolerant of any future problems. Despite these concerns, I've not seen any problems in your contributions and so support your request. Adambro 15:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Here is the pretext: at the time of my resignation, Wikinews had been a boring experience for the last several months, so I decided that I would eventually resign. The image controversy was mainly what provoked me to make that moment sooner, but really it's an inaccuracy to say that I resigned to make a scene or that I was embroiled in controversy. MessedRocker (talk) 17:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support - --Cometstyles 15:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• $support++ —Zachary ^talk 17:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Absolute Support but I don't think you need the full seven days since you willingly resigned your admin status, and there was no controversy. Thunderhead - (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Adambro

has been one of the more active 'newsies, contributing to articles as well as doing wiki maintenance - deletion, implementing the new fair use policy, vandalism watch. he has a good deal of Wiki experience, being an admin on WP and commons and i find him well informed on policy matters in discussions. i think it's time to give him the tools. –Doldrums(talk) 12:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I accept this nomination. I am grateful to be considered for adminship and look forward to hearing the opinions of other editors, which, regardless of the outcome of this RfA, I am sure will help me further develop as a Wikinews contributor.

Since joining the project, I have been active in a number of areas, from writing articles to dealing with more mundane, behind the scenes tasks like dealing with image issues. I feel this has given me a good understand of the project and how it differs from the other Wikimedia project I am involved with. One of the major differences is of size, articles like the Chris Benoit death did much to raise the profile of Wikinews but it remains a small project in comparison to many other. Despite this, the project still suffers from the same problems faced elsewhere such as vandalism. On a number of occasions I have watched vandalism ongoing and been unable to contact an administrator to deal with it promptly. This has left me frustrated and I would welcome admin rights to enable me to respond to incidents like this when I spot them.

I will be happy to answer any questions anyone may have but would warn that as I am to start a new job next Monday which will involve moving house, I might not be able to respond later in the week. Adambro 12:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Note that Adambro was temporarily sysopified to deal with ongoing vandalism on en.wikinews.

[edit] Questions

• As always, what is the meaning of life? Thunderhead - (talk) 07:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

  The Meaning of Life is a 1983 film from the Monty Python team which presents the meaning of life in the form of a gold wrapped booklet at the end, described as "nothing very special".

[edit] Votes

• Easy Strong Support Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 19:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. --Nzgabriel | Talk 21:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 15:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Brian McNeil / ^talk 15:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support - --Cometstyles 15:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• $support++ —Zachary ^talk 17:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Cspurrier 22:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Thunderhead - (talk) 07:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Jcart1534 10:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support --SVTCobra 11:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Anyone who won't harass the n00bs should have a mop. Nyarlathotep 23:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
• troppuS Pilotguy roger that 00:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] User:Ironiridis, for the third time

I, ironiridis, hereby nominate myself for adminship once again. I do this while reflecting on the frustration and difficulty that ended my previous position as an admin. For those of you who aren't aware, I was nominated (twice, actually) and "elected" into this position over a year ago. Due to continuous bickering and eventually all-out wheel wars, I elected to have myself blocked for 30 days, and eventually to have my sysop flag removed from my account.

I'm choosing, grudgingly, to attempt to return to the position for one reason: I wish only to have the power to fight vandalism without asking for assistance. Deleting articles. Issuing short, temporary blocks. Eliminating copyright violations from history logs.

Having learned well from the Neutralizer debacle, and having learned a thing or two about maintaining civility in the time since, I feel I am ready and willing to become a janitor once again. I am opting, if I am chosen by the community to return to my previous post, to place this template at the top of my user page.

In light of being informed that I might be able to simply be "re-instated", I'd like to indicate that I'd prefer a vote on this. I want to have the support of the community on this. As such, please put this to a vote.

(And, as a formality, I accept my self-nomination.) irid:t 03:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

1. What is the meaning of life? Thunderhead - (talk) 04:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Are you a janitor open to recall? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Answers

1. The acquisition of knowledge, the observance of beauty, and the extollence of the virtues of love, honesty, and dedication. irid:t 04:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
2. Without a doubt, I am. I voluntarily listed myself for de-admin the last time around because I felt I wasn't doing my job; I am more than happy to be held to community scrutiny at any time. irid:t 20:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support He has certainly calmed down, to be honest, I never knew he existed and was a prior admin. --TUFKAAP 04:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Active IRC user too :-) Thunderhead - (talk) 04:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support –Doldrums(talk) 14:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Always very helpful & supportive! Herb 14:24, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Based on what I've seen of him, he's perfectly trustworthy enough for the role. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 16:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support Jacques Divol 17:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Jcart1534 03:09, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Strong Support It was very crazy times back them, hell most the users involved are no longer involved here. Ironiridis was never involved in the warring, instead, he chose (unwisely in hindsight) to intervene to try and stop the situation getting worst. Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 21:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support This user should never have left the admin "corps", I am glad that we have not seen disruption like then since and think we now have a team that could avoid those problems. Irid would make a good addition to that team (again). --Brian McNeil / ^talk 22:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support I'm new here, but I've got a few thousand edits in at en.wiki so I know what's up. Constructive, helpful and friendly editor. Lara♥Love 02:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 05:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 00:37, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support A fantastic user, no issues. Plenty of experience. TheFearow 02:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support ~ Wikihermit 03:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
• Support —Zachary ^talk 03:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] TheFearow

• This has been a tough RfA to call; TheFearow only has 69% support, thus I am closing this as No consensus. And Would invite TheFearow to apply again in a months time. Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 20:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC) Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 19:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey veryone, i'm TheFearow or better known (maybe not on here) as Matt. I'm from New Zealand, and I love the wiki system. I used to be mostly active on my enwiki account, with over 3K edits. I decided to come here as it's a smaller wiki with an actual community, and its possible to make decisions without being hunted by an angry mob. I do a lot of maintenance work, but I have written a few articles. I have done a lot of work on Larry Craig, as well as New Zealand and related areas. I am constantly finding things I need an admin to do, so becoming a sysop would allow me to take care of those myself. I know a lot about wikisyntax, mediawiki, and programming, as can be demonstrated by several things I have developed, such as the Ticker and my dynamic quiz system. Since all my systems end up complexish, ironiridis created {{WTF}} for me, which I use on systems that are still in development and not in real use or on pages about them that are not viewed a lot.

You can see what my opinions of admin tools etc are at this page, but to summarise it, I believe things should only be done after consensus (meeting the CSDs etc counts as consensus), and I believe in second chances. I do not like indefblocking unless necessary or obvious socks/VOA's.

No matter how this turns out, I will keep contributing heavily, and my work can only get better. I will happily request reconfirmation if any user in good standing requests it. If I make any mistakes, I will happily fix and apologise, as well as improve. If you oppose please tell me how I can improve, and if you support, tell me what i'm doing good so I can do more of it!

Thanks, Matt. TheFearow 01:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

To make an addendum; I will likely respond to all opposes, I have some of my best and most interesting conversations with people that disagree with me. If you don't want me to reply, just say so. TheFearow 03:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

• What is the meaning of life? Thunderhead - (talk) 01:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

42. TheFearow 01:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Clearly that's wrong, because that's the meaning of life, the universe, and everything... --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

If that was a bit broad, the more specific answer is 14. (Instead of being of the life, the universe, and everything, its a third, so only the life part). TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 23:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• Would you be an admin open to recall? irid:t 03:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

100%. If any user in good standing suggests I go for reconfirmation, I definately will. TheFearow 03:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• Can you give examples of things you are "constantly finding ... I need an admin to do"? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Mainly biographies and such, and I do see a lot of half-archived pages etc (tagged as archived but not protected, or the opposite). TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 23:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

As an admin will you continue to write articles or focus more on tech/admin tasks? --Jcart1534 01:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Definately continue to write articles. I will use my admin actions where appropriate, and luckily tasks that need admin tools only come along occasionally, although should be handled promptly. The admin tasks usually are important, but there are few enough that they can be handled without influencing article work. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 03:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• Why do you feel the time rule, "You've done at least two month's work on Wikinews", should be bent for you? Jcart1534 11:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression it was a guideline, as other RfAs have passed with less than two months work. I also believe I have done a lot of good work, and I can be more helpful as an admin. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 23:14, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Without the consideration of past RfAs, from what in the official policy above are you extrapolating that the two criteria for adminship are guidelines? If the policy is unclear, perhaps it needs to be rewritten to reflect the community's wishes (guideline or mandatory rule). What are your feelings on this? --Jcart1534 01:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The way the header is worded, they appear to be guidelines. If they are not, that needs to be much more specific, and I would adivse a discussion on it as they have been treated as guidelines in the past as well as lately. I believe they should be guidelines, but not rules, however I do not mind either way. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 03:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• You give the impression that you find Wikinews attractive because it is a smaller community, and you feel less like a "guppy in an ocean" whereas Wikipedia has grown beyond that. What opportunities do you see for us to recruit other Wikipedians into our community? --Brian McNeil / ^talk 13:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I can imagine various ways to recruit Wikipedia members, and I believe the key ways would be to make ourselves more known, and target people who actively contribute to things such as w:Portal:Current Events and w:Template:In the News. The main part is showing how open we are, and how much of a community we have. Showing everyone that we're like the small village, whereas wikipedia is Tokyo. I also believe that many active users of Wikipedia would want to do some work on wikinews, even if it doesn't become their most active wiki. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 23:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Absolutely Support. Great contributer. Awesome geek. irid:t 01:34, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support for Wikinewsies everywhere. Thunderhead - (talk) 01:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support Good user, good edits, total geek! —FellowWiki Newsie 02:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support: Has done and continues to do incredible work for Wikinews. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose. While I think that TheFearow's technical contributions are wonderful, and I really appreciate having him here as a contributor, I feel that less than one month of mainly-technical contributions is not enough for adminship. I would prefer to wait a month or two in order to further see how the user handles editing tasks over this longer time. If it wasn't for the time/edits, I would support this nomination. -- IlyaHaykinson 02:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I would like to point out I have done a lot of writing - Idaho senator arrested for disorderly conduct, Hurricane Felix now Category 5, Hurricane Felix strengthens to Category 4, New Zealand ATM gives out double the money, Republican leaders accused of double standard after Larry Craig's resignation, John Key admits to visiting strip clubs, and I know there is more. I also do a lot of minor editing of articles and cleaning up etc. TheFearow 03:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree that you've made good contributions on these articles. But the first day you touched the article namespace was August 20th, which is 17 days before you applied for an admin position. I simply feel that's not enough time. -- IlyaHaykinson 15:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Ahh ok. I have made one or two spelling corrections as an anon, but my first proper contribution was august 20th. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 03:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose - While I do hope you stay true to your word and do continue to stay on here at Wikinews, I have to oppose your request do to the fact that you only started editing around a month ago. You do have the support and the trust of this community, I feel that you haven't been here long enough. Try joining the New Zealand cabal later. --Nzgabriel | Talk 05:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure. Where's the signup form for that? On a related topic, I did sort of expect a few oppose votes due to my time here - I know it is a bit short however I am a fast learnner and I know a lot of the policies from enwiki. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 05:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way, some people may realise I am being hypocritical opposing TheFearow, while I was only around for about a month before getting my accrediation, but I have done some growing up since then. --Nzgabriel | Talk 05:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support. Has written nice stories here, 3K edits on enwiki and great RfA statement. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 08:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral. A good tech but a bit new on Wikinews. You could do many things without admin flag. Anyway not a place for frustrated wikipedian (^-^) Jacques Divol 12:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral. Simply too early I think, but this is a user I would support when he's been with us a bit longer. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 12:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support Although you are relatively new to our community, I would be a hypocrite if I said no when I became an admin in less than a month. :P Hope to see some fun new stuff from you in the future! —Zachary ^talk 13:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

To be accurate, Zachary, your first try for adminship (just shy of 1 month) did not succeed as people thought you were too new, even though they felt you would be a great addition. Your second Rfa did succeed, but you were just days away from 2 months. Jcart1534 13:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I stand corrected, though my register date and the date I actually started making contributions are two different things. Registered on March 14, first non-userpage edit was April 2, and I became an admin May 20, so it was about one and a half months. Still shy of the two month "guideline", though. —Zachary ^talk 15:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I assume work means working on articles/maintenance/policy/etc, so it would be since first non-userspace edit. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 23:18, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support --Jcart1534 04:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose due to the concerns highlighted above and also because I'm not happy with the nonsense that is {{WTF}} that this user seems happy to be associated with. As with brianmc, I would be happy to reconsider my views in a future RfA. Too new for adminship just yet. The user states their opinions about adminship at User:TheFearow/AdminToolOpinions. I feel this is entirely redundant since policy already sets out where action should be taken. I want admins to follow these policies not their own versions. Adambro 15:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

{{WTF}} is a joke - if you don't like it, i'd have no objection to it being deleted. Those are my opinions, which I would use if it was up to my discretion, or policy did not state what to do. I would follow policy unless there is a VERY good reason to do so, and if I ever did do something against policy I would happily explain my actions and discuss it further. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 02:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I created {{WTF}} as a joke. I also put it on one of his tools. I'm sorry that your primary point of opposition is related to what is essentially a userbox. Also, I should point out that the policies state that any admin should exercise their own judgment. For example, the policy on speedy deletion has no provision for articles created that clearly aren't news, yet have meaningful content, like the series of biographical stubs we've been getting recently. We speedy them anyway. I am clearly violating policy when I do that, but to what end should we follow policy? Develop a news story about somebody's 11-year-old turning 12? I support the idea that someone should make their personal stance on the policies (especially when they fall short) clear and public. irid:t 23:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I personally have noticed that common admin actions/traditions dictate policy, policies don't dictate actions. (With exception to core policies, like npov, privacy policy, etc). Some policies arn't fully followed all the time, some all almost totally ignored (cough, userbox policy. however that is mostly because it tried to change actions instead of document traditions, plus it was a compromise no one really liked, and most people probably are not even aware of its existence). Most policies have a bit of leeway in them as well. they often say you should do blah, you may do blah. In the end, I think common sense and good faith in all actions is what is important. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree with you - common sense is common sense - if something policy says seems rediculous, pointless, or wrong in a particular situation, bend the rules. As long as its helpful, done in good faith (although this is not necessary if its helpful), and doesnt violate very important policies, I agree with using common sense and/or IAR. TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 03:44, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

• Support Of course. ~ Wikihermit 18:35, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
• neutral Sorry, I just don't know you well enough to say support yet. However from what I've seen so far, you're well on your way. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• oppose I'm opposing with a similar reason with IlyaHaykinson above. I felt your contributions to wikinews are great, just I would like to see more first. terinjokes | Talk 23:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
• Support Brian | (Talk) | ^{New Zealand Portal} 19:52, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• Comment Please reply to all criticism. Unless it's a five page dissertation, criticism is constructive and informative, and discussion is the key. :) irid:t 03:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
• Update For those of you keeping score at home, we currently have 8 supports, 4 opposes, and 3 neutrals. irid:t 03:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I'd like to say - before someone closes this vote - that I'm happy with the result. The user is likely going to pass in 3-4 weeks time when they apply again; they'll be a tad more level-headed about it having spent time tagging things that need admin action (hint! hint! If you see something that should be speedied, flag it to say "I could have done that").

Part of the delay before you're likely to get your hands on the admin tools is getting to know the people who already have them. We do not want wheel wars. So, learn where other admins (and users!) have specific interests. If you get into a conflict on something you think they're biased on then do your best to see the other side. Ask questions before making accusations. We share a common goal - the success of Wikinews. We should be able to achieve that regardless of our individual political affiliations. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 20:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Matt

Otherwise known as TheFearow, Matt's done a lot of work around here, and I see absolutley no reason why he shouldn't have the mop. He's also been helping us quite a bit with our bots, and has adminship on MediaWiki.org, so he's not a new administrator. I think that Matt certainly deserves the tools without question.

[edit] Questions

• What is the meaning of life?

  14. Matt | ^userpage | ^contribs 05:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

• What will you do with the admin tools given that they are provided to you? --Nzgabriel | Talk 01:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

  Primarily work on cleaning up vandalism, deleting speedy deletion stuff, and blocking vandals/trolls/etc. I'd also like to help clean up the archiving backlog, which should be done ASAP. All generic admin tasks :) Matt | ^userpage | ^contribs 21:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Thupport™ as nom Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 05:04, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Brian McNeil / ^talk 08:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• Supporty™ —FellowWiki Newsie 15:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• support This user has demonstrated he is an asset to the wikinews comunity. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support ~ Wikihermit 02:48, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support --Jcart1534 17:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support I'm happy with the answer provided to my question. But as a side note, don't you think we have too many admins...? --Nzgabriel | Talk 03:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

No such thing, IMO. Administrator is a status given to trusted users, and we can never have too many trusted users. Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 00:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thunderhead is quite correct here. Admin is as much an indication of community trust as a requirement to help maintain the wiki. If you think back to before you had the priv bit I'm sure you recall intermittent frustration that you couldn't delete vandalism articles and the like. As a normal user you run up against a wall where you're using things like notnews to alert admins that stuff needs zapped. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 09:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

• Support again —Zachary ^talk 00:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support --MarkTalk to me 15:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support I'm familiar with Matt from en.wp, and he fits the description of "trusted user" quite well. EVula // talk // 18:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 10:04, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support Grimlock 12:01, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• Earlier RfA under the username TheFearow can be found in the archive.

• I'm currently in the process of studying Matt's contributions in order to ensure I make a fair judgment of this user and have a small criticism to make. Looking through Matt's user talk page, I see a lot of other users who appear to be talking to themselves. I suspect this is because the user is replying to comments elsewhere. Doing this makes it very difficult for anyone else to follow the discussions and I would strongly discourage this practice. It might be appropriate in some instances to notify a user on their talk page that you have replied to ensure that they are aware as of course they may not be watching the page where they left the message. Adambro 15:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Some people prefer to reply on the talk page of others because it gets the new message flag and you have a high degree of confidence they've seen your response. We can't enforce "I respond on my talk and notify you", but it may be a better approach to keeping discussions less fragmented.

For adminship and any investigation of a user's contributions you do want to see what they write on other people's talk pages, but you're more interested in "have they avoided or - better yet - defused disputes?", have they "borrowed" a mop and bucket and cleaned up vandalism? Adminship should be "ask not what the wiki can do for you (i.e. give you the priv bit) but what you can do for the wiki". What an admin can do for the wiki is help keep it a place where good-faith contributions are welcomed. There are discussions elsewhere on us being curt or rude with newcomers, this should be extended to potential admins. Zach and I had a run-in with a very rude admin on Wiktionary (?IIRC?) I don't want us having the same rep. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 16:07, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I reply on their talk page, especially with new users, as I find it much easier to keep track of replies. When I started on enwiki, I waited over a month for a reply before going to their page to ask for them to reply, and realising they replied on their page already. If someone asks me to reply on my talk page, I will. Also, if there are more than two people communicating (unless one is a new user) then I will keep it on one page. Matt | ^userpage | ^contribs 09:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

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• Candidate withdrew request for adminship.

[edit] David Shankbone

Believe it or not, our star interviewer isn't an admin yet. I think he's earned enough respect and trust to fix that problem. David's done a lot of great work for us, and clearly know's our policies well.

Candidate: Do you accept?

[edit] Questions

• What is the meaning of life? Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 04:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• To learn the balance between risk-taking and stability so that life is neither too boring nor too chaotic. Also, 42. --David Shankbone 13:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Whew! For a second there I thought you weren't going to get the joke. (Although it should be mentioned that 42 is the Answer to life the universe and everything, not just life). Bawolff ☺☻

I live to give, and answer, 110%. --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• Will you be an admin open to recall?

Sure. --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• What is your greatest flaw with regards to adminship?

I'm sensitive. --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• What makes for a good admin on Wikinews?--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Haha - to not be sensitive? --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• How do you feel about possibly having the most questions asked of you out of all the adminship requests (that i remember)

I don't mind questions (@#&*@$^*&@$#@!!) --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• Do you feel that your experience as an interviewer has helped prepared you for these questions? Is it different asking the questions and being asked them? Bawolff ☺☻ 22:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

My interviewees often turn my interviews around on me and I answer their questions honestly, which I hope makes for more honest exchanges. I just don't often include those aspects of the interviews -- be glad! I might not have been put forth for admin-ship! --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Joke questions for you just to add a few more - dont take these (or me!!) seriously

• Will you hang out with us more on IRC??

What's IRC?  :-) --David Shankbone 00:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• And per the IRC - !q Is this a question? --MarkTalk to me 22:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

• What do you make of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/THF-DavidShankBone/Proposed_decision?

I think it was funny. I was the one who asked for the Arb, knowing I pursued Ted Frank too diligently, but also knowing that being taken to task for that was not nearly as important as exposing him. If there was absolutely nothing wrong with what he was doing, then it would have taken an ArbCom to show me that. Instead, I was proven right. My main problem going into the ArbCom was that, after a year on Wikipedia, I never had cause to figure out the seemingly endless forums for resolving various strains of disputes (COI, Admin Noticeboard, Water Pump, RfC, et. al.) That and my frequent use of Ted Frank's name (mainly right after he changed his User name from TedFrank to THF) were seen as my problems. There are things I could have done better, but in the end, I felt vindicated. --David Shankbone 05:21, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Thupport™ as nom. Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 04:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support Jacques Divol 06:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Supporty™ —FellowWiki Newsie 16:07, 25 October 2007 (UTC) I crossed out my vote because what's the point of a person becoming admin after saying that "Wikinews is not fun" and "I simply don’t find the community on here enjoyable." David, if you really don't want to become admin withdraw this admin request. —FellowWiki Newsie 22:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support About time. JoshuaZ 17:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)> Changing to neutral now due to SVTCobra's concerns. JoshuaZ 16:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support Of course :) A fantastic interviewer who will be fantastic as an admin. *Matt/TheFearow | ^userpage | ^contribs 20:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support, I think "hey man! Dalai Lama!", mail David and he's pretty much already lined up an interview with his U.S. representative. So... David as an admin? He's demonstrated a good understanding of our policies, he works within them and isn't one of those people who tests their bounds. So... I'd trust him with the buttons. We don't set the bar too high on Wikinews, there are a number of issues that constrain what you can do if you are not an admin so we have a high user/admin ratio. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 20:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Vote struck due to high drama surrounding threat to leave project. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 19:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support, David had done a fantastic job around here recently and I'm sure he will use the mop and bucket with great consideration and good effect. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:12, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• obvious support Bawolff ☺☻ 22:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support ~ Wikihermit 02:26, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support -- Jcart1534 18:45, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support It's a no-brainer! --TUFKAAP 22:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - Not to be a contrarian, but I would like to see David spend some more time here before gaining Adminship. There are still policies and practices with which David should become more familiar. For instance, today he published an article that was still up for DR [2]. And recently, David uploaded an image from a competing news outlet, claiming fair-use WN:DR#Image:Ashton_Bonds.jpg. Don't get me wrong, the interviews are fantastic and I have complimented him on them. David also seems earnest in his pursuits. I just would like to see him spend some more time here before gaining Adminship. --SVTCobra 21:37, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Comment: The article was published because he found it worthwhile; there was no need for there to have been a deletion request on it in the first place. --Jigsaw (Talk) 14:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• Abstain irid t i e 22:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
• Support - whats IRC??..hehe..good all-round editor..--Cometstyles 13:09, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - I appreciate the work David has done here and I'm disappointed that it seems he is going to take a Wikibreak as he is becoming disgruntled with Wikinews but I'm not happy with him branding JoshuaZ's decision to change his vote to neutral in response to the concerns outlined by SVTCobra as "jumping on the bandwagon".[3] David should respect that people might not unnecessarily agree with him or support this RfA. His attitude towards this issue makes me oppose this RfA and I suggest those who have already voted should reconsider their position in response to his recent comments. Adambro 16:23, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose - David does not seem like the kind of person who wants Admin privileges, let alone be trusted with them. While I appreciate the work he has put into the site, I do not believe admin privileges are fitting at this time. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 18:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support I've been reading your interviews! Great work! I'm even jealous :) - Jurock ^(reply) 18:37, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose The New Zealand incident from the main page is a bit fresh in my mind, and at this point adding a temperamental administrator is something I don't think Wikinews needs. TheCustomOfLife 18:51, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] JoshuaZ

I would like to nominate JoshuaZ for adminship. He has a decent list of well-written articles, has been actively editing here for more than a year and has a solid grasp on the policies and workings of Wikinews. I was impressed with his edits and comments on this article. He offered patient and level-headed suggestions in what was a fairly contentious debate. In addition, there are times when he could have helped out with vandalism, if he had "the buttons". Jcart1534 23:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• JoshuaZ, do you accept the nomination? Yes. Thank you very much. JoshuaZ 23:47, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

• Would you be an admin open to recall?

Yes. JoshuaZ 13:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• What do you plan to do as an admin?

Four activities: 1) Dealing with vandals. It has been somewhat frustrating when we have a page-move or other vandal running around and I'm stuck reverting his changes but can stop the vandal itself. 2) Speedy deletions (I've lost track of how many times I've had to nominate something for speedy rather than do it myself) 3) Correct categories, MOS and spelling/grammar for archived articles. I've had to make a lot of {{editprotected}} requests and this should be simplify that. 4) Possibly helping out archiving. JoshuaZ 13:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

• What would be your biggest strength and your biggest weakness as an admin?

I'm not sure. People on Wikipedia who think I'm a good admin there say that I keep a cool head during drama and don't get angry when insulted. Thankfully, Wikinews is a much nicer place all around and so those qualities won't matter as much. So I guess the next biggest strength is that I'm often online so will be paying attention to help out with needed admin tasks. Biggest weakness is easy- I've spent much more time on Wikipedia than I have on Wikinews, and we do many things very differently here. I suspect that every now and again I'll end up running into an issue where I might take a more Wikipedian rather than a more Wikinewsian approach. I hope that if that occurs, people will kindly revert whatever I did and let me know what I did incorrectly. JoshuaZ 13:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support as nominator. --Jcart1534 23:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support, he's also an admin on WP apparently.Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 12:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support, obvious. --David Shankbone 13:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support --SVTCobra 03:17, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support Jacques Divol 08:38, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support I've had to speedy a few this user has tagged, so he's running into the limits where he starts to need the buttons. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 08:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support per interaction on other Wikimedia projects and also the good work he's done here. Daniel 10:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
• Support I've never really interacted with JoshuaZ that much, but I have seen him around the various projects where he and I are both active. I think he'd be a good admin here. EVula // talk // 19:18, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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• Request closed early by Adambro in the interests of all parties as this request is bound to fail. I would encourage Prasuk to take time to look through the archives of past requests to understand what is expected for a successful RfA. Adambro 22:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prasuk

I'm able user in projects Wikimedia Fundation - polish Wikinews(nickname:Prasuk historyk), Commons(nickname:Tramman) and english wikipedia. I wants to become administrator en wikinews, because IMO I must to have sysop administrators, to fight vandalism.Prasuk 21:56, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Oppose - Need to build trust up on this wiki IMO - only 20 edits and only 2 of these are in the namespace - also you can fight vandalism without the sysop rights --MarkTalk to me 22:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose This user vandalised my userpage twice with this IP. You can fight vandalism without the admin tools. I think this user was trying to make an excuse to get adminship on Wikinews. For that, I cannot trust this user. And this user is waaay too new. —FellowWiki Newsie 16:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Blood Red Sandman

I've often seen it said around here that we do not have enough admins here on Wikinews; particularly for tasks like archiving. As I have been around here for a while, and feel I have picked up all the policies etc here, I would like to offer my services with a mop. Please see my successful RfA on Wikipedia, in October, for evidence that I am trusted with the tools. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

• Will you put yourself into Category:Admins open to recall?
• What is your greatest strength and your greatest weakness as an admin?
• Is it difficult for you to divide your time between Wikipedia and Wikinews? What are your thoughts on how the two projects should relate?
• Is there anything you would change about the Wikinews policies?

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• What is the meaning of life? Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 23:09, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Responses

The answer of life, the universe and everything - but what is the question?

• Yes, I will add myself to Category:Admins open to recall. It is important not just to gain the community's support, but to ensure one maintains it.
• My greatest strength: Probably high tolerance both to boring, menial, repetitive tasks and to vandalism that would deeply offend others. My greatest weakness: Poor ablity to spot my own mistakes; normally just typos, etc, but I would benefit from more rechecks of things before commiting them to apear for eternity.
  • Your greatest flaw is typos? You are pretty fantastic then! But I was trying to find out more about your personality and such... --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Well, no, my greatest flaw usualy only manifests itself in the form of a large number of typos compared to others. But it's worth considering that I am known to misread things etc before giving me the ability tocause a whole lot of damage. One Wikipedia admin recently misread something another had posted, and mistakenly arranged for the latter to be desysoped. Ouch. Personality-wise, although as yet I think I've kept a level head on-wiki, I do tend to have an ability to quite fiercely defend my point of view in the real world, which, whilst ok in itself, does not bode well for a position in which I need to listen to criticisms carefuly before rejecting it. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 19:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• Yes, dividing my time is more awkward than I thought it would be. In all honesty, I probably should try and spend a bit more time over there, as I ave projects in mind to complete there, too. As to interproject relations, that's quite topical right now. I do think greater co-operatio would be good, to ensure info on both agrees where it is repeated, and that all relevant info from each project finds it's way accross to the other.
  • Do you understand how the GFDL versus the Creative Commons license hinders cross-project cooperation with Wikipedia? What would you do if an admin from Wikipedia came here and copied a news-style article that was erroneously posted on Wikipedia? --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
    • Yes, I am all too familiar with this issue. My response would be to first mark it as a copyvio as with any other such article, then inform the admin of his mistake, and then ask the original author if they would mind relicensing their contributions. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 19:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
• I don't think there's anything majorly wrong with the policies here. As with aything else on a wiki, they just require twiddled and amended as time goes on, and that's how it should be. They do their job just fine as is. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 13:13, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

• I believe you will find that the meaning of life is 42. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 23:28, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
  • If you had looked through the archives, you would know that that is the meaning of life, the universe and everything. But hey, close enough. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 19:29, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support Trustful, knows what he's doing, I always thought he should've became an admin. —FellowWiki Newsie 22:48, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Tons of great articles and knows his way around. I'm going to hold you to the offer of archiving! --Jcart1534 22:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Bawolff ☺☻ 04:06, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Well we need more regular admins. If the inactive policy is upheld, then we may lost quite a few. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:31, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Trustworthy and capable with great contributions. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 09:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Thupport™ Absolutley. He knows what he's doing with the tools. Besides, the Adminmobile is gathering dust Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 23:10, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Jacques Divol 09:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Adambro 19:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support Greeves ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• Could you enable email on your account so users can contact you off wiki. Also, could you consider creating a userpage to tell other users a little bit about yourself or detail other WMF projects where you are active. Adambro 22:26, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

• Comment: note that neither of the two are required, but are encouraged. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

• I have sorted both. Apologies about the email problem - I thought I had enabled it! In reality, I had only done so on my Wikipedia account. Ah, well. Done now, anyway. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] ArchiveBot (Temporary Bot Admin)

In order to carry out the automatic archival of the ~3000 articles per recent discussion on WN:AAA, this bot needs the admin flag. This will be a temporary adminship - I do not expect the job to last any longer than 1 month. The alternative to adminising the bot is to use my user account for the process - which is *highly* undesirable as it will flood RC with the changes made, and ArchiveBot already has a bot flag.

[edit] Questions / Comments

[edit] Votes

• Support as nominator and bot owner. (strike if COI issues prevent vote) --Skenmy^(t•c•w) 18:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support per previous discussion at WN:AAA. Wilhelm 18:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support. We grant users bureaucrat rights because we trust their judgement. I suggest a 'crat uses their discretion and immediately grants temp adminship to this bot account considering that we already trust this already trust this user with both a bot flag and admin rights so combining the two to complete a task which has received the support of the community per WN:AAA seems uncontroversial. Adambro 19:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support. Per Adambro, this is a formality. Could be speedied. --Jcart1534 19:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support speedy admin, to get this bot running right away! (→Zachary) 21:03, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support--David Shankbone 21:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support - As per the poll. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 21:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support --MarkTalk to me 21:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Brianmc (Bureaucrat)

Brianmc has been an active user on Wikinews for just over three years and in that time has racked up over 19000 edits. He is an admin, accredited user with oversight, check user and a member of the Arb Com. He has also shown utter dedication to the project with many hours spent around the project, on IRC, going to places to represent wn and also wikinewsie.org. he also never seems to sleep and therefore is pretty much around all the time but really all this doesn't matter, Brian doesn't need this rubbish intro, he talks for himself :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markie (talk • contribs) 17:33, 21 January 2008

• Accepting nomination, there's little B'Crat-specific work although finishing cleaning out the de-admin would be nice. If people ask me to close off things like Admin votes I'll get to them as soon as I can. Despite Markie's checking in IRC and alleging I'm a robot almost good enough to pass the Turing test I think my warped sense of humour proves that wrong.

If I had to say what I thought was the worst Admin action I've taken in the last six months-year it would be blocking our Scientologist friend Misou who any admin without WN:CU privs can probably guess with reasonable certainty edited from axiom28.scientology.net without being logged in. Google "Axiom 28" and you'll see it is their propoganda wing. I regret this because (a) The Clams will hide and (b) There was a &*@% of a lot more troll-baiting mileage in that user. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 17:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support Support per nom, this is long deserved and i hope to see you around still in the future as a b'crat :-)--MarkTalk to me 17:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support from me - perfect candidate for b'crat. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 17:35, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support not sure we need another, but Brianmc is a good choice regardless. --Cspurrier 17:42, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Couldn't think of a better candidate for B'crat —Zachary ^talk 17:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Great user who has recognised in his statement my only concern about his judgement and as such I'm sure he'll learn from the experience. Adambro 18:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support. --Jcart1534 18:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support —FellowWiki Newsie 20:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 21:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:43, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support - No doubt! Greeves ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:34, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Bawolff ☺☻ 05:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Wilhelm 10:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support --David Shankbone 15:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support? Support? You can't handle the Support! Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 20:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support McNeil is like a Bureaucrat already --SVTCobra 00:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support -Cometstyles 00:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Very good candidate. TheCustomOfLife 00:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Jacques Divol 10:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support I think Brian should be "editor-in-chief", honorary that is, he does so much for the community. --TUFKAAP 07:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Don't need more, but seems fine anyway.  :) Btw, bureaucrats can not de-admin people, afaik. Nyarlathotep 13:59, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Even if they could I wouldn't de-admin without community consensus and we don't seem to be reaching that on the vote I started about Eloquence. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:41, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Support I agree we don't need another one, but handy to have all the same. Couldn't have a better condidate, either. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 18:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I'm not going anywhere soon, unless I vanish off the face of the planet totally. :-) I'm almost embarrassed at the support this has garnered - and nobody has grilled me on it. I am open to questions in this section - I think we can do better than presidential debates and learn more about candidates for positions. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 00:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I'll toss one across the plate for you. If you had to choose between Sheik Yerbouti and Joe's Garage, which would it be and why? --Jcart1534 00:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

That is probably the hardest question I'll get thrown at me... I'd chose the Joe's Garage option because I have more chance of convincing aspiring musicians to try it. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 00:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

<sarcasm> Ok, I got a really hard question that is way better than any of the presidential debate questions, well here it is: What is the answer to life? —FellowWiki Newsie 00:42, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no answer to life, there is an answer to "life the universe and everything" - which is 42. Pretty pointless if you don't know more of the specifics about the question. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 00:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• What no more questions? --Brian McNeil / ^talk 18:10, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

• Allright, you know 'the answer' is 42. Perhaps you can tell us something else, then. What is the question? Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 18:08, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm Brianmc, not Deep Thought --Brian McNeil / ^talk 22:31, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Worth a try... Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 07:28, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] User:The bellman

No longer active. Last edit was 1 November 2006, last admin action was on 5 May 2005. Adambro 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• This was the person who {{hello}}ed me. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• Wow. That must be a weird feeling, to see them up for desysoping per inactivity... Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 22:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

• I still do read the front page from time to time, but I haven't edited for a long time. I do however keep thinking to myself that I should get around to doing some editing again. If the community feels I should be de-admined, then I have no problem with that. ~The bellman | Smile 00:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

  I note a number of users have changed their minds and now oppose this deadminship request in response to the comment above from the user in question, justifying this decision on the basis that the user is active. I'd very much disagree, the proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say and this doesn't really suggest to me that this user is active. Adambro 18:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. I really don't want to be the cause of any tension in the community. I'm not really an active editor as my edit history shows, however I do still keep an eye on what is going on. I am one of the few people who takes an interest in wikinews who remembers the start of wikinews, (or even what Brian recently referred to on the email list as the first generation, which was really actually the second generation). One of the reasons that I stick around (even if it is passively) is because I think not losing that institutional knowledge is important. Now i do not need admin powers to do that, however as i have already said, I do keep thinking I should get involved again (and in fact this whole little episode might just be the spark that I need), and it is up to you guys to decide if I should be treated as a new user again or as an admin. Either way, I don't really mind. ~The bellman | Smile 02:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support User apears to have left the project entirely. For the record, the same aplies for the others below. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 21:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

  Changed to oppose per the response above confirming this user is still active and has remained so more or less continuously. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 00:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Neutral. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. No need to remove privileges. --+Deprifry+ 12:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support removal of privs. Not sure if I can even recall this individual editing while I have been active. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. Nyarlathotep 08:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support privilege removal. --Skenmy

• Oppose - user is active. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 17:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose Comment: This de-admin request wasn't a community effort. I wanted no part in it. I am glad to see you responded. As I see it, if you were welcome that long ago, you are still welcome to edit and be a part of the community. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

  Of course The bellman is welcome to return and edit and be part of the community but at the current time neither is the case. Not sure why DragonFire1024 feels the need to try to distance himself from this request, since when were adminship requests "a community effort", the whole idea is that this is raised by a user for the community to discuss and consider. We don't have discussions about whether we're going to have discussions. Suggesting users who haven't edited in years have admin rights removed is hardly the crime of the century, regardless of whether these people are contacted, although I appreciate that this could be seen as courteous. However, it is important to realise that we give users the rights to serve the community not as some kind of reward so I don't consider is necessary to inform users that haven't been around for ages that they might be de-admined, I would suggest that these should realise that if they do ever return that things will have changed. Adambro 07:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose Though my standard rationale has been "if you're not around to use the tools, you don't need them anymore", The bellman is obviously still somewhat active (as evidenced by the fact that he posted here... kind of definitive...). Though I'd prefer some more activity, any activity is more ideal than none, and his willingness to step down if the community doesn't want him as an admin just makes me want him as an admin. :) EVula // talk // 21:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Since being contacted, expressed interested in helping out. Haven't seen any edits yet though. --Jcart1534 20:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

• • Oppose. Changed vote due to some recent activity. --Jcart1534 00:57, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] User:DouglasGreen

No longer active. Last edit was 28 July 2005, last admin action was never according the log. Adambro 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• Note: This is the only admin who has not been contacted. We have gone through a reasonable effort to find him, and we have not. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support from Blood Red Sandman per this diff.
• Neutral. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. No need to remove privileges. --+Deprifry+ 12:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support removal of privs. Not sure if I can even recall this individual editing while I have been active. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Neutral 5 month edit history. Nyarlathotep 08:42, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support privilege removal. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 17:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support If you're not around to use the tools, you don't need them anymore. This doesn't reflect poorly on the candidate in the least. (also, somewhat ironic that his userpage says that he comes here every day...) EVula // talk // 21:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Can always reapply for adminship if needed. --Jcart1534 20:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Don't have a clue who this guy is. --TUFKAAP 07:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] User:CGorman

No longer active. Last edit was 8 August 2006, last admin action was on 27 August 2005. Adambro 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

• This is the user that hello'd me. User was instrumental in early wikinews development. --Chiacomo ^(talk) 23:50, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support from Blood Red Sandman per this diff.
• Neutral. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. No need to remove privileges. --+Deprifry+ 12:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support removal of privs. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:57, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. Nyarlathotep 08:24, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] User:Ronline

No longer active. Last edit was 30 July 2006, last admin action was on 11 May 2005. Adambro 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

[edit] Votes

• Support from Blood Red Sandman per this diff.
• Neutral. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. No need to remove privileges. --+Deprifry+ 12:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support removal of privs. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep as admin. Never knew the guy, but his edit history spans quite some time. Nyarlathotep 08:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support privilege removal. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 17:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support If you're not around to use the tools, you don't need them anymore. This doesn't reflect poorly on the candidate in the least. EVula // talk // 21:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Can always reapply for adminship if needed. --Jcart1534 20:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] User:Karen

No longer active. Last edit was 11 July 2006, last admin action was on 10 July 2006. Adambro 20:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

I was without access for awhile, excepting public terminals. When my personal access was restored, I did fail to return to making edits. However I am currently involved in a publishing project that will be released in the next few months that may even be news-worthy. At the time I joined as an admin, it was because there were too few active admins, but I believe that situation has since changed for the better. I recommend trying to retain inactive admins by notifying them. Karen 21:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Do you plan to return to editing? --Skenmy^(t•c•w) 21:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Support from Blood Red Sandman per this diff.
• Neutral. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 00:26, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. No need to remove privileges. --+Deprifry+ 12:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support removal of privs. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 14:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. Nyarlathotep 08:25, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
• Support privilege removal. --Skenmy^{(t•c•w•i)} 17:36, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support If you're not around to use the tools, you don't need them anymore. This doesn't reflect poorly on the candidate in the least. EVula // talk // 21:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Can always reapply for adminship if needed. --Jcart1534 20:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] User:Eloquence

[edit] Policy basis

No longer active. Last edit was August 10, 2007. Last main namespace edit, June 11, 2007. Last admin action: 28 June 2007.

[edit] Introduction to reasoning

Erik's userpage hasn't been updated to reflect the fact that he has left the board for employment on the WMF staff. This - in and of itself - isn't reason to de-admin - but I can see no possibility of him being in a position to make significant contributions or patrolling activity to exercise his Admin or B'Crat powers. With his position in the Foundation he can at any time tell Brion to give him these rights back and as such, and with some of our recent coverage of WMF issues, I would prefer that be the way it is - a two person process.

I have not contacted Erik regarding this. I am of the opinion that if he promptly responds and wants to argue a case it should be a test of our inactive guidelines. (Eg do we count people who keep track of what's going on as inactive?) If I am requested to contact him I will, I have his Foundation email address. I would, at such a point, also ask the Chair to become involved and Sue Gardner - perhaps with a view to having a specific resolution on administrative involvement in the Wikinews project by staff and board. There is indeed a serious issue of COI (please help make this policy) around this and I have tried to see how we can get guidelines for us creating content, and the people making it possible for us to do it here, to set ground rules. --Brian McNeil / ^talk

[edit] Comments

• Do not attempt to link this with recent events, or Erik being among the project founders. I would prefer this be no popularity or conspiracy contest. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 18:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Erik has not contributed to the community for almost a year. He has made no attempt to get involved with us or our projects on WN. It seems, in all fairness, that Erik has abandoned Wikinews IMHO. So regardless of being founder of Wikinews, he should have been given the same treatment, at the same time as the users above. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 22:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

  What do you consider is different with the cases above where the period of inactivity is much greater but you've not supported yet you support this request? Adambro 22:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

  Nothing...if you want to do this based on inactivity, he should have been up here with the rest. Either way it does not change the fact that he is non-representative of this community. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

  I'd note that I didn't list everyone who I'd say is inactive and should have their admin rights removed, that would be a long list, rather a selection of those who are at the most extreme end that I thought would be the least controversial to gauge community feeling towards my feeling that users should use or loose these rights. Eloquence fell outside this. Adambro 06:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• Although I understand why you'd rather not link it to his position, I think he deserves special consideration because of his position for the board as founder (position in wmf is another matter, which i don't have a good opinion on). CoI doesn't really work, because i'm sure theres areas where others have conflicts of intresets, and they just don't edit those articles (as well mindspillage is an admin, and has equal conflicts). If I was basing my vote on if he was inactive, I would say remove. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• I am afraid I do not understand the reasons for not contacting User:Eloquence. Do you think Erik will object and raise hell? If so won't he be even angrier if he were to discover it was done without his knowledge? That said, Erik seems to be the type that gladly acquiesce with a de-adminship, given his new position. I'd see this as only a COI issue since the inactivity is far shorter than many others (and six months is not almost a year). --SVTCobra 00:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• i don't see much of a COI issue with adminship, which is supposed to confer no extra editorial influence. admin actions are publicly logged and can be reviewed in full by any other administrator. to my knowledge, there's been no suggestion that Eloquence's admin actions has raised COI concerns and i certainly don't see a need for a "pre-emptive" removal of admin status. –Doldrums(talk) 08:45, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Per some of the comments here I have emailed Erik (CC Sue Gardner/Florence Devouard). Links to this section here and WN:COI were provided. IIRC This isn't the first time I've asked for input on WN:COI. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 09:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Quick comments:

• Do whatever you think is best; my feelings won't be hurt. :-)
• I'd advise you to read up a bit about the meaning of conflicts of interests in non-profits; there are a lot of misunderstandings regarding what a COI is and isn't in our community.
• Whether on Wikinews or elsewhere, I've never believed in de-adminning people for inactivity; I think labeling inactive admins is generally sufficient, unless there's reason to believe that their accounts might be compromised or they might actively do damage. It's just process overhead with little obvious benefit and potential downsides (i.e., you reduce the number of people you could reach out to if you had to).

--Eloquence 21:01, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd be happy to withdraw the RfDA if you want to stand for reconfirmation. That would be less controversial. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 09:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

Note: {{support}} means you support removal of the candidates privileges. Keep comments in this section brief and use the above section. It is intended for discussion prior to people casting votes.

• Oppose I don't buy your COI argument for numerous reasons. Btw, doesn't the COI argument violate your comment? Anyway people should vote how they like for their own reasons. If those reasons don't convince others to vote accordingly, fine. fyi, not contacting seems like a general violation of etiquette. <shrug>  :) Nyarlathotep 20:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC) ps, Once upon a time we tried not to be the source for news *about* wikipedia, not that this view was ever used constructively, but its a historical point.

Can you strike and subsequently remove your comment to move to the comments section? I would like to carry on a discussion on this but you offer insufficient information to do so. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 22:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

• Neutral Let him stand for reconfirmation on his own grounds before we request a demotion. Thunderhead - (talk - email - contributions) 20:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral (very close to weak oppose). Bawolff ☺☻ 22:37, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral —FellowWiki Newsie 00:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Keep as admin. No need to remove privileges.--+Deprifry+ 08:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

  That is not the point. Rather the point is whether there is any reason to retain the rights. Adambro 01:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Support privilege removal - while I appreciate and respect everything Eloquence has done for the project, it is irresponsible to have a list of admins - whom new and old users alike may wish to contact - with people who are massively inactive on it. It is not based upon his status in the community, nor his ability as an admin, more on the fact that he has not and has shown no signs of (nor can I see good reason for him to return to) editing for the project, even in a small capacity like our Bureaucrats. --Skenmy^(t•c•w) 18:19, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Support with the condition that if he returns to WN activity for a period of time, it be reinstated so as to prevent any future misuse of de-admining rivals or otherwise. But if he's not present here, an account with admin access is just a liability on having its password stolen or something similar. Sherurcij 04:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose we deadmin people because we do not think they are doing good as admins or because they have disappeared and are not likely to ever be seen again. Neither is the case here. He is without a doubt trustworthy and while not actively editing, he is certainly about. --Cspurrier 02:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. I haven't been around long enough to know the many of the inactive admins. I see nothing wrong with contacting them to see if they are interested or not in helping the project. Eloquence has been contacted and, without saying it directly, seems to have a willingness to stay on as admin. I used the same rationale for User:The bellman. --Jcart1534 15:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. Users like Eloquence, Jimbo, Kate etc. were mentioned in the policy discussion to have an exception status because they have vast experience, are unlike to ever abuse their powers, and their contributions are likely to benefit Wikinews. Eloquence's last edit wasn't even that long ago. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:31, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support If I recall correctly, it was I that mentioned some possible exceptions to any inactivity policy however I have since reconsidered my position and would now support of removal of rights from anyone who isn't using them. Adminship is not a reward, it is a practical tool that is to be used. Eloquence is inactive and so shows no need to retain the rights. Adambro 01:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support TheCustomOfLife 00:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose I do not agree with de-adminning for inactivity. -- IlyaHaykinson 16:49, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

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The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.

I have decided to nominate myself for an admin as I want to help archive old articles and help fight vandalism on Wikinews. I have started about 50 articles in the three and a half months I have been at Wikinews and am quite familiar with Wikinews. If the community think I should not become an admin I will withdraw my request as there is no point in keeping a vote open if the community don’t want me to become an admin--Anonymous101 14:55, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questions / Comments

• What happened to the motivation behind your comment on your user page: "Just to make this clear, I have no interest in becoming an admin."? --Skenmy^(t•c•w) 15:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
  • When I wrote that I was new to Wikinews and I had no interest in taking an active role in it. Since then I have started to take more of a active role and have decided I would be able to help in archiving articles, for which there is an incredible backlog. When I wrote I did have no interest in becoming an admin but since I have enjoyed Wikinews and have had looked at lots of articles and thought that it is 6 months old and needs archiving. So I have changed my mind as I think that by becoming an admin I cound help Wikinews. Also, at the time of writing that I did not fully understand Wikinews policy so I did not think it would be a good idea for me to become an admin. I now understand Wikinews policy, and as a result I am now less likely to make a mistake. --Anonymous101 16:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Before you note you may wish to take a look at my list of pages that may help you choose which way. to vote Also remember that voting is evil, but that you should Ignore all rules. . (Actually voting is evil isn't a rule so isn't covered by ignore all rules). --Anonymous101 Talk RfA 17:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

Question: If you could have a recurring feature on Wikinews, what would it be?
Question: Wikinews is currently faced with some important issues about how to remain true to its policies while increasing readership and experimenting with content. Do you plan to participate in the discussion about these news directions? --David Shankbone - (talk) 16:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

'Answer:I know this is not a new feature but I think the current obituaries feature is very good and should be made weekly. 'Answer: If I became an admin I would not use my position as an excuse to push may opinion further than that of a usual user, although I would take part in the disscusion. My personal opinion on this is that Wikinews should diversify to include more content like your Israel report although I think any page which could be a POV or Editorial should be in a different namespace and should not appear on the main page (except for possibly a small box which is clearly separate from the usual articles and clearly marked editorials). I also think that only accredited reporters should be allowed to write editorials. This is to stop Wikinews becoming a site with blog like content --Anonymous101 Talk 20:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Will you put yourself into Category:Admins open to recall?
• What is your greatest weakeness as an administrator?
• Do you believe in non-admin rollback?

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• Answer to question 1: I will definately add myself to Admins open for recall. Anonymous101 Talk 06:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Answer to question 2: This isn't a weakness that will change if I become an admin but my I think biggest weakness is my lack of imagination, which means I won't be the one to come up with this amazing new design or this radical new idea that will improve Wikinews. (On a side note - the new main page design is brilliant). --Anonymous101 Talk 15:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

• What is the meaning of Life and the universe (but not everything)? Bawolff ☺☻ 05:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
  • I was wondering when I would get this question. There is no answer to life and the universe (not everything) ,but the answer to "life, the universe and everything" is .--Anonymous101 Talk 07:13, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

• Comment - Not yet made up my mind on this, I'm don't feel particularly comfortable with linking this RfA from their signature. Adambro - (talk) 17:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
  • OK --Anonymous101 Talk 20:27, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support - Longtime contributor, excellent contributions, and we can use more help. --David Shankbone - (talk) 21:41, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support : adminship should not be a big deal. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 22:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support Seems a solid and trustworthy candidate. Blood Red Sandman ^{(Talk) (Contribs)} 07:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support Active and apparently mature. --Brian McNeil / ^talk 08:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support No reason why not. --Skenmy^(t•c•w) 10:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support I was wondering how long t'll I would see his name here. Obvious support. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:35, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
• Support Seems sensible. Adambro - (talk) 17:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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