User talk:DannyS712/Archive 1

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New Hampshire crash kills seven, including former US Marines

Published. Congrats! There are, of course, plenty of lessons to take away from this first one for future articles; see my review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 15:52, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Pi zero: thanks so much --DannyS712 (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Trump administration drops citizenship question from census

Unfortunately, Trump reversed himself again, de-freshening the article. --Pi zero (talk) 00:12, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

That's unfortunate. I'll try to update it with the reversal --DannyS712 (talk) 12:31, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
What do you think of adding a photo of Donald Trump to the article? Something from this year perhaps such as File:President Donald Trump April 2019.jpg.. Gryllida (talk) 23:48, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@Gryllida: My current focus is on getting it published while it is still fresh. --DannyS712 (talk) 06:53, 5 July 2019 (UTC)


Your call was a good one. In fact, the same pagename had been created before, by an IP differing only in the last few bits. The first time I'd deleted it as a test page; this time I called it spam. --Pi zero (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I saw it a few hours ago, but figured it was just being developed - I'll remember for the future. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Re: US House of Representatives holds Barr, Ross in contempt

I've left a few remarks about the layout of the article, here. Please check. To reply to them, click 'edit' and add your comment at the end.

Thanks and regards, --Gryllida (talk) 00:44, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Responded there --DannyS712 (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Wikinewsie cats

I've had moments like that myself, where I'll start doing something that seems like a good idea, and then as I get further in it looks more and more off-kilter. --Pi zero (talk) 03:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. For me, coming from enwiki, it seems like categorization here leaves a lot to be desired (no offense). I'll be more careful in the future. Is there a centralized place if I have a proposal about categorization? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:37, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Categories are used differently here than at Wikipedia, so that the concerns and challenges here are novel. (No offense taken. :-) I've also been quite heavily involved, over the years, in developing the category system at English Wikibooks, which is different again (and its development is partway through a major overhaul that's been underway since 2016). --Pi zero (talk) 12:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


If you open visual editor on the four teenagers story, in 'Insert' menu, there is an option to add a map. I'd suggest to add " Clairton, Pennsylvania, " point on it and zoom out to a level that an international reader would understand. (Witohut visual editor, see mw:Help:Extension:Kartographer for an external tool that may help you generate the relevant wiki markup.) --Gryllida (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Done thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks and about renaming/moving

Thanks for catching that unprotected article in the archive. Another thing I want to mention is don't leave redirects when articles are in development stages. They often get renamed/moved multiple times and it just leaves a tangled web. Cheers, --SVTCobra 22:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: I don't have the ability to suppress redirects... but can you delete the redirect I left behind? Also, can you move it to Tropical Depression Three approaches Florida? I don't want to leave another redirect behind. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 23:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I keep forgetting that. I just assume it's an option everybody has. Sorry. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: not sure if you saw it - can you move the article? --DannyS712 (talk) 23:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I could, but I don't like that title. I feel the title should be more unique. This basically describes an annual event. --SVTCobra 23:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. If it gets named it should be moved back to storm, but until then I guess this is fine. Also, is there any chance you could take a look at Four teenagers shot at Pennsylvania graduation party? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 23:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Four teenagers shot at Pennsylvania graduation party

Your article has been published, thanks. —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 01:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mikemoral: thanks so much. --DannyS712 (talk) 01:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Voter eligibility

Hi. You've been so active these past few weeks, I had to go back and check carefully to realize you're not eligible to vote in this year's ArbCom election — it calls for 250 edits before July 1 of this year, and you've only got, I think, 22. So I moved your votes to the respective comments sections. --Pi zero (talk) 01:39, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. Thanks for checking and letting me know --DannyS712 (talk) 01:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Re Tropical depression Chantal approaches Florida

What is a 'tropical depression'? Perhaps a note of this would be a nice addition to the story? --Gryllida (talk) 02:22, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: explanation added --DannyS712 (talk) 02:26, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Nice, thanks :-) Gryllida (talk) 04:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Argh. We lost freshness when the NHC update came out at 5:00 a.m. local (that's 0900 UTC). Their next update is due at 11:00 a.m. local (1500 UTC); we would then likely have a six hour window in which to update our article and review and publish. That six hour window is right in the middle of the local day for me, so there's a good chance I could provide the review part of the effort, if someone can update and re-submit the article within the first few hours of the window. --Pi zero (talk) 13:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
I've updated it again --DannyS712 (talk) 18:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
<nods> And I'm taking a look. (Though I'm aware there's another article now on the queue marked for quick review.) --Pi zero (talk) 18:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Boris Johnson elected Conservative leader, slated to be Britain's next Prime Minister

Your article has passed review. —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 02:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mikemoral: thanks so much --DannyS712 (talk) 02:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I have to say, you certainly beat me to the story! It was the first thing in my news feeds this morning. Thanks again for writing, —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 02:22, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for reviewing --DannyS712 (talk) 02:23, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
About your user category, you can use {{topic cat}} and it will give you the standard category set up, with the chronological list formed using Dynamic Page Lists, like with Cat:Mikemoral (Wikinewsie). —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 02:33, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks; that's why I wanted to add them in order --DannyS712 (talk) 02:36, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

person categories

It's been proposed recently that we try to avoid putting person cats directly in topic cats (though historically we've sometimes done that), by instead putting the person cats into subcats of Category:People by occupation. An exemplar for that sort of thing is Category:Prime ministers of Pakistan. --Pi zero (talk) 04:10, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Heh. All those words and failed to get to the point. I'm suggesting we might want an occupation cat for US senators. --Pi zero (talk) 04:12, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I've set up Category:Members of the US Senate. :-)  --Pi zero (talk) 05:20, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I'm going to start creating a Category:US Presidents for the person cats --DannyS712 (talk) 14:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
(Goodness but this stuff is evolving fast atm.) --Pi zero (talk) 12:17, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Double spaces don't show

Hey Danny. You do know that double spaces don't render for the reader, right? Whether the Wikicode has one space or two, it will always show up as one in the readable text. There are two spaces before the T in this sentence. And there is one space before the A in this one. See how they look different in Wikicode but the same in final text?

I do not mind at all if you want to remove double spaces from text because it makes you feel better or for any reason whatsoever. I just wanted to make sure you knew that it was not necessary so you could spend your valuable time elsewhere if you prefer. Darkfrog24 (talk) 11:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

/me looks at this with bemusement. Of course, the basic technical point is objectively true: the extra whitespace makes no difference in how things appear. My bemusement is rooted in suspicion I'm somewhat in the minority around here in believing text is better off having double-spaces between sentences because it provides useful meta-information when editing. --Pi zero (talk) 12:21, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
/me agrees with Pi zero that they are likely in the minority --DannyS712 (talk) 19:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
Ooooh, yeah. Double spaces do provide a slight advantage. Nice. But the point stands: It is not necessary to remove them but no one's going to fight you over it. Darkfrog24 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:23, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
:-)  --Pi zero (talk) 03:05, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Conrad Burns

Thanks for keeping after this; it took a lot to shake my memory loose, but we finally got there. And, yes, it's another example of why it would be really nice to have a page that reminds us of stuff like this (rather than waiting on the fallible memories of, er, folks like me). --Pi zero (talk) 19:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

@Pi zero: sure, I was going to see what happens to that category before filing a couple more DRs --DannyS712 (talk) 19:25, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
I should go back over the cats I've worked on lately; I may have walked right past one or more like this. --Pi zero (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2019 (UTC)
@Pi zero: please see a starting list at User:DannyS712/empty for categories that could use attention --DannyS712 (talk) 19:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

geocats on articles

Another tidbit about geocats (evidently we are collecting them): on categories, we don't take the transitive closure of subcat relations, but on articles we do (for geocats, and some others, that is). This is because for DPLs there is no way to specify "list everything that's in this category or in any of its descendant categories"; so in order to get that effect, every article in Category:Puerto Rico also goes in Category:United States and Category:North America. (All this is different from categories, because we don't build DPLs of categories; so we don't list Category:Puerto Rico directly in Category:North America to avoid cluttering the ancestor category.)

(Yes, this is an imperfect system because it doesn't give us any way to mark articles that have to do with the United States as a whole rather than with some part of the United States. It's also of paramount importance, though, that our category system be really simple, so it's easy to use. There's a more elaborate system in place at Wikibooks, for classifying books by topic; it's got a hierarchy of bookshelves by topic, and each book is directly listed on certain shelves, indirectly on all larger shelves containing those, and it's possible to distinguish between direct and indirect listings because for each bookshelf there are two separate categories, the direct listings and the indirect ones. That particular machinery is specialized to the logistical and technical circumstances of Wikibooks, though.) --Pi zero (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know --DannyS712 (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the editing...

...of French inventor Franky Zapata successfully crosses the English Channel on the jet-powered Flyboard Air. Appreciate the minor but important changes. :-)

Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 07:09, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: no problem. I'm not a reviewer, but I'm just trying to make it easier for a reviewer to eventually publish the article --DannyS712 (talk) 07:15, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Userspacing articles

I see you've requested three articles be userspaced. We went through a brief phase where we were doing a bunch of userspacing for students, before which afaik it had mostly only been done for OR articles; the userspace parameter on the template got added during that brief phase. The phase didn't last because there turned out to be difficulties (such as copyright concerns), and then recently we got especially wary of userspacing synthesis because some people were using it so heavily it was edging over into "web hosting"; really, part of the reason Wikinews is able to function is that abandoning our unsuccessful efforts keeps us focused on current events (well... and curating our past mostly-successes, of course). At any rate, we're now fairly cautious about this sort of thing. We're not completely opposed, though. What's your thinking on requesting userspacing for these three articles?

--Pi zero (talk) 23:47, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

@Pi zero: both to keep them to learn from my mistakes and in case their content is ever useful - for example if there are more developments to the citizenship question story. --DannyS712 (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I looked at each, and one other also marked since, and decided to allow them. I'm wary of the concept going forward, as the boundaries of this sort of thing are unclear; but I reckon you're in good standing, and the problem of preserving object lessons in the early learning stages is something we've struggled with for years. --Pi zero (talk) 12:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Pi zero: thanks. I'm glad to hear that I'm in good standing. --DannyS712 (talk) 12:26, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
:-)  --Pi zero (talk) 13:28, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Re: welcome-a-bit subscription

Hi DannyS712,

I've set up the list page, where your topics of interest are listed. Because you haven't selected any, it is the 'Developing' and 'Review' category names, where any new drafts would appear. The script will see it and send you an wiki message shortly, after a next draft is created.

As you're using the on-wiki subscription, please see this release announcement, which contains a user script that can help you clean up the notifications from your talk page.

When a new draft is created I personally prefer to leave a new message at the talk page of the author, where they discover it more quickly -- perhaps more quickly than at the talk page of the article. I personally prefer to not edit the article directly for the first 12 hours, so that they have an opportunity to do as much work as they can themselves; after that I aim to do everything I can to make the article ready for publication, and submit it for review, leaving them a note of what I did.

Please let me know if there are any issues with this message delivery. It is designed to encourage the recipient's involvement in helping newcomers, but simply testing the message delivery and reporting bugs would be greatly appreciated!!!

Thanks and regards, --Gryllida (talk) 00:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: thanks so much --DannyS712 (talk) 00:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome :-)
Regards, Gryllida (talk) 02:35, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikinews recent additions 08:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Presunciones (Category(ies): Review; added by Kitoko investigador at 2019-08-09 08:12:40, epoch 1565338360) --Trigonidiida (talk) 08:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

--Trigonidiida (talk) 08:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Do you speak Spanish? What does the content mean? Gryllida (talk) 08:30, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
@Gryllida: Some (not fluent), but I double checked with google translate - its very clearly out of scope. --DannyS712 (talk) 08:31, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I think it is alluding to events of years ago involving Lucio Gutiérrez, but either way it is nonsense. --SVTCobra 09:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Tom Watson announces retirement from competitive links golf

Hi Danny. I saw you worked a bit on this article. In the future, I hope you will recognize that Hecato was using the wrong focal event to keep the submission fresh. I'm sorry I didn't look at it sooner, but it had a built in focal event of Watson's last tournament around which the article could have been written. I know this is 20-20 hindsight, but I thought I'd point it out. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:27, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I was just trying to clean it up, in case it was refocussed and salvaged. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Re: John Hickenlooper expected to end presidential bid, run for Senate instead

Couple questions at the article talk page. Please check. --Gryllida (talk) 04:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: thanks. Replied there --DannyS712 (talk) 05:04, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

This strikes me as an interesting exercise in article focus. Atm I'm thinking (a) it likely can be written up in a way that provides a newsworthy focus and passable article, though (b) it seems likely we'd run out of time, since the candidate is likely to make the thing official in a relatively small number of hours. Review comments. --Pi zero (talk) 06:50, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

@Pi zero: thanks for the in depth review - I just finished reading your comments. At this point, I'll wait and see if there is an announcement before continuing. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:51, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

A big thank you...

...for your serious attention to detail, and how to write it consistantly in a way others can understand. I saw it at this article and was amazed how you and SVTCobra are working it out together. --Gryllida (talk) 01:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 01:33, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Gryllida: thanks - just happy to contribute --DannyS712 (talk) 04:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Wikinews recent additions 22:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

--Trigonidiida (talk) 22:00, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

In this story I think you might want to swap the last paragraph with the one in the middle. As I think the middle one is more like background. I am not sure... Gryllida (talk) 03:08, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
Originally they were swapped, but since the middle one talks about how he couldn't be saved I thought that should be second instead of third. I don't have a strong preference though --DannyS712 (talk) 03:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Archival of notifications

Hi DannyS712

There is a script to remove talk page notifications. Please see it linked in one of the prior discussions at the technical water cooler. If you like. It helps to declutter the talk page somewhat.

There is another script to archive talk page conversations. I use it at my talk page. It is linked in my talk page history edit summaries. I find it a little useful for removal of all conversations which no longer need an action to be taken, to an '/Archive' sub page.

Regards, --Gryllida (talk) 03:07, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know --DannyS712 (talk) 03:11, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

On the campaign trail

You might want to check with User:William S. Saturn to see if he has already started working on some pieces. I don't know that we have any article with those words in the title which weren't Saturn's work. You probably saw already, but he posted an interview today which is in the newsroom. --SVTCobra 01:57, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: thanks for letting me know. I'm going to be really busy the next few months, but was thinking long term. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Miscellaneous neatifying

A couple of stray thoughts on neatifying articles. These are edging into territory where a mere gesture toward the style guide won't suffice.

  • The ordering I've followed for trailing elements on an article has been, after the last section (which is usually Sources, unless an optional External links section is provided), {{publish}}, {{archive}} (once applied), categories, interwikis. Thinking back to where I learned that ordering from, I think our now-venerable review gadget was crafted to try to do things that way, only that particular bit of its code never quite worked right, so it was often necessary to move {{publish}} down after the gadget had inserted it in between two of the sources, or the like. That gadget is a major piece of our existing automation written in the Before Time (another major piece that comes to mind being makelead); that code is scary to contemplate changing much, so we mean eventually to replace it with an assistant based on the dialog tools, but meanwhile I think within the past few years the code has been tweaked so it just puts the tag at the end, which isn't what was intended either, and I fix it when I'm archiving each article, but at least it doesn't insert the tag into the middle of the list of sources.
  • I've been observing your hardening of local links via {{w}}. Afaik everything you've done has been fine, but the nuances of using {{w}} are complicated, so I'll take the opportunity to ramble a bit on the subject. Before we deployed the current {{w}} template (in early 2011), all our wikilinks were hardcoded, and despite a long-established policy that local links should be used if available, almost all wikilinks were hardcoded to go to Wikipedia. The only local links were ones that everyone knew were sure to have local links; mostly, countries and US states. That makes sense because it avoids distractions from the really difficult fundamentals of news production (accuracy, neutrality), but it made Wikinews feel less like an independent project and more like an appendix of Wikipedia, and it created a huge amount of finicky busy-work if we ever dared to create a new category, which strongly discouraged expansion of our category hierarchy. As more and more of our articles (also slowly expanding backward into our archives) use {{w}} we can instantly shift existing links to a new category once it's set up, and the motivation has shifted from discouraging new categories to encouraging them. Category coverage has increased markedly, increasing fractions of wikilinks are local, and the project feels more independent. Meanwhile, at the level of individual wikilinks: part of my notion was that when {{w}} links to a local target, it categorizes the article in Category:Pages with categorizable local links, when it links nonlocally, Category:Pages with defaulting non-local links. The categorizable set are articles where one might consider adding the article to the corresponding category (if it's related enough); the defaulting set are suggestions for possible future creation of categories.

--Pi zero (talk) 14:24, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. If you want the gadget to put the publish tag at the end (or is there another place that is preferred?) I can take a look at the code. --DannyS712 (talk) 23:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing NewsDay, I didn't know pubtarget existed as a parameter so we can pipe publishers. Anyway, I am going to continue writing the article now. I'll tag it {{editing}} just so we don't get edit conflicts. Cheers, --SVTCobra 19:41, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

No problem - I didn't either until I looked at the source for {{source}} --DannyS712 (talk) 19:42, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Exceptional newcomer award

For demonstrating exceptional enthusiasm and skill in confronting the initial learning curve of our project, I present you with the Exceptional Newcomer Award. --Pi zero (talk) 12:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I realize I'm a bit late with this; you've already received a barnstar, and you've ten published articles — one more (with one on the queue now) and you'll qualify for a cub reporter award. Still, we've noticed the energy you've applied to learning Wikinews. --Pi zero (talk) 12:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

@Pi zero: thanks so much --DannyS712 (talk) 16:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Contributing Reporter

This award is presented to Wikinews reporters upon their 11th published news article.

Congrats. --Pi zero (talk) 05:17, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks --DannyS712 (talk) 05:18, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Abbreviations and acronyms

Hi, there's absolutely not any written policy I can point to for this, but I think we should allow for more 'compression' in image captions and or image credits. I would never abbreviate w:United States Department of State as "DOS" in the body of an article, even though Wikipedia says it is the main acronym for the department. A non-American reader wouldn't know what "State Department" is, either, in my estimation. Most countries call it the Foreign Ministry or some variation thereof and a non-familiar reader would have to click the link anyway to understand what is meant. And in the image credits, especially, I feel it is only for the truly curious. Anyway, these are just my thoughts on it. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:53, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: sorry, I didn't mean to overstep. I just thought that, since it isn't used in the article, it shouldn't be cut to DOS. Again, sorry --DannyS712 (talk) 01:55, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
No worries. You are not wrong to do it. I know you are frustrated that our guidelines aren't fully fleshed out, so I just wanted to explain my thoughts. I haven't reverted your edit; I'm just saying imho (or maybe not perceived as humble opinion) it was unnecessary. You didn't overstep or anything. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the follow up --DannyS712 (talk) 02:08, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: do you think you could help me populate Category:Cabinet of Donald Trump? If so, please add the category to the following (protected) articles:
And also add wikilinks to Cabinet of Donald Trump. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
A fairly bold addition, but I can't say I disagree, so I populated as best I could. I also tweaked the category page. Cheers, --SVTCobra 02:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
See response on the category's talk page about your tweaks --DannyS712 (talk) 02:44, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

create missing comments page

Hi. I saw you created a couple comment pages for articles in the deep archive. I wouldn't do that until we get around to putting the {{haveyoursay}} button in the article. Also, it's a lot easier when the button is there because the missing page can be created with a single click. And there are thousands of articles which don't have comment pages yet.

Are you eager for something to tinker with? Are you familiar with Wikidata? --SVTCobra 03:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I made a few, because I wanted to make sure I got it right when I created the comments for Riots in Tonga, which is linked from Sitting Tongan Prime Minister Akilisi Pohiva dies aged 78 (currently on the main page). At some point, I'd like to be able to help out with cleaning up the archive, but since those pages are protected that isn't going to be likely. And yes, I am familiar with wikidata. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:21, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, it's not quite the archive, but a lot of our categories need to be linked with Wikidata. If you look at Category:Cornell University which you started the other day, I made some additions to it (not just populating the category). One of the sisters fields in {{topic cat}} is wikidata. It is missing for a lot of our categories, so it needs to be put in with the Q number. The easiest way to find it is to go through the Wikipedia page or Commons category which corresponds. And then, we need to update the Wikidata entry. Oh, shit LOL. I just saw you have 75K edits there. OK, then. Well, I'll change my tone, since that's your turf. At some point or other, somebody ran a bot or something. And our categories became associated with the Q number for "Category:Something" but we want it to be associated with "Something" directly, so when people look at Wikipedia's page for w:Cornell University they will see Wikinews right there in the left hand column under "In other projects".
You can see my wikidata:Special:Contributions/SVTCobra edit history for how I have been switching them over as I semi-systematically update our categories. Adding links to other sisters is also helpful. Images can be added, and where applicable, flags, location maps. I think {{topic cat}} has a list of the available parameters and optional parameters. Are you familiar with Wikidata LOL. --SVTCobra 03:57, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
On the other hand, maybe you came here to get away from Wikidata, so this might not interest you. Maybe you are interested in becoming a reviewer? You could read Wikinews:Reviewing articles and Wikinews:Tips on reviewing articles and do mock reviews on the two articles I have submitted. Make the changes you think are necessary and write a comment on the talk page. And then if Pi zero doesn't make any changes when he does his review, I'd say that's an A+ 100% score. Becoming a Reviewer is definitely the first step towards Adminship because without understand the review process we wouldn't let people muck about in the archives. Cheers, --SVTCobra 04:09, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: Yes, I've been thinking about that - I posted at User talk:Pi zero#Working towards reviewer a bit ago. I'll take a look at your articles though --DannyS712 (talk) 04:41, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
(cc SVTCobra) There was a bot that did a bunch of those, yes. That was one of the several times over the years I've politely left a note on someone's user page there letting them know there's a policy in place there about Wikinews topic categories. (I've learned to be decisive and friendly about it.) Which has had good responses in all but one case, where the person I contacted threatened to block me if I continued following the policy (that got quite unpleasant; but most Wikidatans in my experience have been quite friendly folks). At any rate, the bot hasn't run since. --Pi zero (talk) 23:56, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, btw (fwiw), there's a further complication when creating missing opinions pages for old articlesUser:SVTCobra: occasionally it turns out that there really is an opinions page, that was left behind by a rename after it had been created. So before creating a comments page for an article I always check the revision history for moves that might have left the opinions behind. --Pi zero (talk) 00:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the note --DannyS712 (talk) 03:37, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: Quarry:query/36472 lists the 7000+ enwikinews categories that have a wikidata item with the description "Wikimedia category" - I'll look into reducing that number, given the explanation above --DannyS712 (talk) 05:39, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
@Pi zero: currently migrating categories from the category wikidata item to the topic's item --DannyS712 (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Legislation article

Thanks for your help with organizing the sources and various fixes and whatnot. I think it was good to separate out the news sources and the myriad legislation text sources. Thanks again, —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 21:47, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

@Mikemoral: no problem - if you look above, I'm working towards becoming a reviewer, so I try to take a look at all new articles and help however I can --DannyS712 (talk) 21:49, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
It's certainly good practice for learning to review articles, and it definitely helps with clearing the reviee queue. —mikemoral (talk · contribs) 22:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


Hi. I am surprised you are not reporting on: this --SVTCobra 01:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@SVTCobra: haven't had a chance yet. If you want to start something, I can be a second set of eyes? --DannyS712 (talk) 01:15, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
@SVTCobra: Symbol wait.svg Doing... --DannyS712 (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
OK, good. Yes, I could write it, but that just puts more pressure on Pi zero, so thanks. --SVTCobra 01:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Pinging in edit summaries

Since templates don't get expanded in edit summaries, to get a working pin I think you need to code a wikilink (using double-square-brackets). --Pi zero (talk) 03:15, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@Pi zero: I realized as soon as I saved - I meant to use [[User:__]] Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


You have some experience at Commons, what do you think of what I said here: Commons:Template talk:PD-CSPAN. I think that template is wrong. --SVTCobra 01:28, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Will take a look --DannyS712 (talk) 01:32, 25 September 2019 (UTC)