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Mark up??

OK -- I'm confused. I am trying to mark up my articles, so a reference jumps over to Wikipedia. However, when I enter (for example), {{w|Michelle Obama}} it jumps to WN - NOT Wikipedia. What gives??--Bddpaux (talk) 15:37, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: Just a heads-up that I edited your comment and I hope that better represents what you were trying to show. Unlike many of our sister projects, the template {{w}} defaults to a local link if it exists and only then goes to Wikipedia if it doesn't. See Template:W/doc for some details. There are tracking categories here for local versus non-local links. If you want to make a link that you are certain will go to Wikipedia, you can make it in the form of [[:w:Michelle Obama|Michelle Obama]]. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:17, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

This helps! Thanks!--Bddpaux (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

❤ Gryllida (talk) 11:56, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Archiving??

I am confused on archiving my Talk page (it is getting TOO LONG!) -- I have created multiple archive pages, but the BOX (over to the right).....how do I 'grow' the numbers? e.g. 2,3,4 -- etc.?--Bddpaux (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Maybe try adding a new archive page. The template page says "The list will update itself when new archives are added." Maybe that should read; 'The list will update itself when new archive pages are added.' —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 17:53, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Padlock

I've said before: Just because I'm a reporter/Reviewer/Admin doesn't mean I'm a wiki foo ninja. I am always learning -- that is why I keep so many darn personal sand boxes. To that end: What is the little padlock that appears down by the source links? How does it get there?--Bddpaux (talk) 15:26, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Can you give an example? I don't see it on any stories and I also checked on two different skins. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:48, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

Well, look at all the source links on this article: There is a tiny padlock by each source link. --Bddpaux (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2025 (UTC)https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.S._Senator_Cory_Booker_delivers_marathon_speech_on_floor_of_US_Senate

I did not seem to notice anything. It is possible that you are mentioning the bullet points (•)? If so, they are triggered by the "*" symbol before each source. Asked42 (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

I cannot reproduce this. I don't want to be pedantic, but since you expressed that you're maybe not the most tech-savvy person: my operating system is a Linux distribution and I used Firefox and Brave, which are two different browsers that have different rendering engines and I checked both of them in MonoBook and Vector (two different skins) in both desktop and mobile. (whew). Do you know your operating system and browser? 99% of the time, if you see a padlock next to a link, it means either 1.) that said link is going to a secure website that uses https:// at the beginning of the URI instead of http:// and the padlock is letting you know that this connection is secure or 2.) a padlock can sometimes mean that the content you are linking to has a subscription paywall. My guess is that it's the former. In case you don't know what any of that means, the padlock is a good thing and it should be there on all links to websites. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:31, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

email me a screenshot Gryllida (talk) 11:57, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

A convoluted mess of un-sighted changes

I was working through un-sighted changes today and found the article "NASA revises asteroid 2024 YR4 threat, near-zero chance of Earth impact" to have a convoluted mess of un-sighted changes that I am unsure how to unravel. None of the content changes to the article were sighted within 24 hours of being published and therefore need to be rejected. However, I think because the article has now been archived, it may not be a straight-forward thing to reject them without affecting the archive done by Leaderbot. When I try to reject all edits up to Leaderbots' first edit, I receive the error: "Cannot undo these changes because further pending edits changed the same areas."

I have also tried to reject Leaderbot's first edit[1] (which would reject all previous, unsighted edits as well) without luck. The edits that can be accepted are those that are category changes, vandalism reverts, and the addition of archive URLs. The content changes and image addition were not sighted within 24 hours and therefore should be rejected.

Maybe an admin will need to reject all unsighted changes then manually make the necessary category and template changes, to include the archiving process, re-add archive urls, and self-sight those changes. Any suggestions? —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Reviewer) 15:18, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Done Gryllida (talk) 22:38, 10 April 2025 (UTC)

Proposal to modify '{{abandoned/msg}}' template

To replace it with contents of User:Gryllida/abandonedmsg, as I have added dates the article and its talk were last modified. Is this OK? If no objections or suggestions, I will implement the edit in a few days. Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 23:45, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Example is shown at top of the User:Gryllida page. Gryllida (talk) 23:45, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

pings

Why did

User talk:GryllidaTester3 this page ping me but

User:GryllidaTester3 this one didn't?

They both included a wikilink to my name.

cc @Leaderboard @Asked42

Thanks Gryllida (talk) 01:50, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Might be due to how the Echo extension works (i.e, might not work on userspace), but I'm not entirely sure. Leaderboard (talk) 05:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Leaderboard,

Thank you for your reply.

I'm asking in context of getting Echo notifications for new articles:

• To the interested users when a new article is created from the 'new article' template (Template:New page). I was hoping adding a user's wikilinked name to it, hidden, would sort that out. Now I don't understand how to do this properly, except probably with a python script which checks the recent changes each 5 minutes. The list of interested users is at User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Developing/Immediate.
• There is another set of users listed at User:Gryllida/Notifications/New/Review intended to be sent out either weekly or immediately (I haven't decided yet), with the contents of something similar to User:Gryllida/Newsroom included in the message.

For sending messages to talk pages it would be something similar to this message which was done manually. The page I could use to deliver the messages is Special:MassMessage.

For sending notifications via Echo only there is no built in way that I know of. I kind of run out of ideas how to automate this without a script that posts a long list of interested users' wikilinked usernames onto the article talk page?

If we decide to use a script, it would be good to publish its source, and host it at Toolforge, where one tool can be accessed by multiple maintainers in case one of them is away and is not available to look after the tool.

If possible, it would be good if there was something that can be built into the wiki so that a separate login is not needed to edit the tool.

Many thanks. Gryllida (talk) 05:11, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Try using a bot on a page that is on a different namespace, for instance? The bot edits can be hidden using the bot/flood flag, after all. Leaderboard (talk) 06:43, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Only messages that include a proper signature (with four ~~~~) will ping an editor. If there is no signature on the message, no ping will be sent. For more details, w:Help:Fixing failed pings. -- Asked42 (talk) 08:16, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

To enable pings in user namespaces, maybe we can use the __NEWSECTIONLINK__ magic word? I'm not sure whether it will work or not. -- Asked42 (talk) 08:27, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

This worked. I got the ping.

User:Gryllida/testing32 didn't work. :-( Gryllida (talk) 09:52, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida: This might be because we have to use '@' before the username to ping someone. Also, we need to use four tildes (~~~~) to sign the message. I pinged you on User:Gryllida/testing32, did you receive it? --Asked42 (talk) 12:04, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Yup I got it thanks, I will test this out in a bit Gryllida (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Feeds and collaboration

Hi Gryllida (talk) 11:26, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

If you use an rss reader, please share your rss feed reader name and platform (linux, windows, android, ios, mac) here. I would like to write some documentation about rss feed readers usage to get notified of new drafts and am looking for testers. Regards, Gryllida (talk) 11:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

PeP

Could someone please go through the list, or tell me how to do it without checking manually, of Reviewers and Administrators and list the time they were last active. I am thinking of taking some action wrt WN:PeP Thanks Gryllida (talk) 12:26, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

Copyvio detection bot request

Hi @Leaderboard

Could you please build a bot which posts the earwig copyvio checker report to article talk page each time an article is submitted for review? Even better if it can only check article body for plagiarism and not pick up headlines as a plagiarism, like it currently does.

It cannot post external article contents so maybe only draft contents with plagiarised phrases highlighted.

Ping all previous contributors to article when posting the report.

It would be good to host it at toolforge as then someone could join you as a second maintainer.

Many thanks. Gryllida (talk) 10:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Might be better to ask @The Earwig directly. Leaderboard (talk) 11:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

ok thanks let's wait for reply. though I thought that's website developer not for wiki reports? Gryllida (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

This is fine as long as the number of articles checked isn't too large (several per day?). There is an API you may use. The Earwig (talk) 15:33, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

thanks Gryllida (talk) 21:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Source code publishing

Hi @Leaderboard

There are a few software, for example archival bot. Could you please upload source code? Are they hosted at toolforge?

Thanks Gryllida (talk) 10:26, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida You mean my bot? Leaderbot runs on Toolforge/Cloud VPS for the most part, with the exception being AWB, which I run locally on my system. Leaderboard (talk) 11:43, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

does the bot require awb? Gryllida (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

No. Most of the bot tasks run on Python (and I plan to release the source code in due course). AWB is used for repetitive but one-time tasks. Leaderboard (talk) 15:45, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

yup thanks it would be great if everything that is running 'in production' was with published source as the site relies on it, and in case maintainer becomes away Gryllida (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Edited templates develop and review

Hello, I added link to plagiarism checker from the develop and review templates. hope it will be useful. Please let me know how it works for you? Gryllida (talk) 04:57, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida Where is your plagiarism checker? Md Mobashir Hossain (talk) 15:07, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

See Child defaces abstract painting by Mark Rothko worth tens of millions on display in Dutch museum

It says at the top

This article is being developed. You can contribute or discuss its development.

If it is ready to be checked, you can .

This is not a way to ask others to expand or finish the article!

You should review discussion about this article, and verify original reporting notes are adequate. Click to add OR notes.

Copyright/plagiarism check: link (earwig).

Click on the link in the last line to view the plagiarism report.

Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 01:28, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Issue with archival

Hi @Leaderboard How was this possible? Could Leaderbot archive (including protect from editing) everything 24 hours after publication, automatically, please? Gryllida (talk) 00:38, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida The bot hasn't been running automatically due to a couple of bugs reported at my talk page (which caused incorrect templates to be applied). I'll need to fix them first. Leaderboard (talk) 04:15, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi Leaderboard, thank you for replying. Which bugs are these? May I fix these bugs for you? Over a week when there is increasing number of foolish users is a bit concerning. Archiving articles is possibly a decent way to reduce load of vandalism fighting. Gryllida (talk) 04:22, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida See User_talk:Leaderboard#Archiving. To summarise: the problem is that the bot currently uses the date/time of the last edit in determining whether to, for instance, protect a page. As shown there, such an approach doesn't always work, which can result in cases such as incorrect templates applied, and more importantly, will result in the bot not protecting pages or otherwise taking action when it should. The fix is not difficult (the bot will need to figure out when the page has been published) - just annoying. I'll try to find some time to do this. Leaderboard (talk) 05:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Leaderboard

As there was increased vandalism of published articles recently, I made a script, and a tracking category for it (in article edit it links to script source). This category contains articles which I archived without checking anything else: I didn't check pending changes to them, and I didn't add 'archiveurl=' for sources; some of them are double archived because the Published category addition date for them was hijacked by something and they were in the 'February to April' range despite having been published earlier. I encourage you, or anyone else interested, to process and empty this category as these articles are checked for whatever else needs to be done other than protecting them.

If nothing is done in near future, I'll write a script which adds 'archiveurl=' to all sources within the articles in that category.

Have a good day. Gryllida (talk) 13:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Got it - but it may take some time for me to get to this. Leaderboard (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

@Gryllida Can you clarify more about the "archiveurl=" part? My script doesn't do that right now, and I'm wondering if I need to take that into account. Leaderboard (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Leaderboard

1) Apparently I overdid it, should have done over 7 days old. Now {{Main headlines}} is practically empty. I was sure it is 1 day old. :-(

2) Example:

• {{source

|url = https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58223231

|title = Afghanistan conflict: Taliban push into Kabul as Ghani flees

|author =

|pub = BBC News Online

|date = August 15, 2021

|archiveurl = https://web.archive.org/web/20210815165730/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58223231

}}

I'm not sure why this archiveurl supposed included, it seems to show only in source and there is no user-facing output of it. I think someone mentioned it would be good to run our own instance and archive all sources. Was it @SVTCobra?

Hope it helps.

Regards, -- Gryllida (talk) 00:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

My feeling is that archiveurl is not important right now and that this can be done separately - is that right? Leaderboard (talk) 04:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Yup can be done later with some risk that some sources will be gone by the time this is started. But yes this can be done later. Gryllida (talk) 05:13, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

So how does this work usually? Do you manually get the web.archive link for that page? Leaderboard (talk) 06:10, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes someone used to do that manually a long time ago. Gryllida (talk) 06:12, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

OK got it. Meanwhile I think I've fixed the bugs in my script, but it seems like it doesn't need to do anything for a while. Leaderboard (talk) 10:05, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. May I please have ssh access as co-maintainer? I will, in case of needed changes, keep backups and notes on-wiki. I can program for wiki in python, node, perl, and javascript. Gryllida (talk) 11:57, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

See https://github.com/Leader-board/WMF-projects/tree/master/enwikinews Leaderboard (talk) 12:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Moving a Page

https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/%22impact_yes%22

This page needs it's title rewritten, I guess. Avinashkuikel (talk) 18:14, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Moreover, this should be deleted. It's not a news story. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:54, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Done deleted as copyright violation Thanks Gryllida (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2025 (UTC)