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While I appriciate your enthusiam in creating new categories, I'm not sure Category:New religious movements is a good idea. New is not really a good way to distinguish between things. We don't have a category called new politicians versus old politicians. Politicians works just fine by itself. I feel religion is the same way. In addition, we usually create categories only for things that have at least two (preferable five) articles in them. New religfious movements only has the category Scientolgy in it, which doesn't even have any articles. I think the category would be better servered by merging with category:Religion. Sincerely Bawolff 06:01, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personally I just don't see the point of spliting up religion into Religion and new religion. Wikipedia by nature is going to have a much more extensive category system then we do. I noticed your populating cat Scientology. If you come across any articles that need that cat which are protected, just leave a note at WN:ALERT or put {{editprotected}} on the talk page. Happy editing. Bawolff 06:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you so much for the advice, I will do just that. To clarify, there is a difference here, but if you read up on the term "New religious movements", you may understand better. Wilhelm 06:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Ok I'll trust your right on that. Don't forget that categories like Category:ISKCON need articles in them or they'll probably get deleted. Bawolff 06:40, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Okay, but that should have articles, I will find them and make a note of it. Wilhelm 08:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC).Reply[reply]

cat new religious movements

This is broken in Firefox, the various sister project templates overlay some sub-categories. Can you paraphrase the intro to the topic from Wikipedia, put that with the templates (won't overlay), and have a hard break before the list of subcats. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:57, 22 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • My apologies, but can you rephrase what you just said without all of the jargon? I am viewing it in a different browser just fine, but I will close and try to view again in firefox. Wilhelm 15:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC).Reply[reply]
    • Sorry bout that, did that clear it up? Wilhelm 16:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC).Reply[reply]
As an alternative way of fixing that, you can also try
<br style="clear:both;">

As the last line in the source of the category. (This stops floating elements (aka the sister boxes) from overlaping the br (line break)). Bawolff 01:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi There, Sorry for not getting back to you, been away in RL over xmas. Feel free to file a WN:DR#Undeletion_requests; it is the only advice I can really give, as consensus was reached on the initial DR Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 21:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've applied the category to a selection of these articles - but not all. I moved the discussion from Admin alerts to the category talk page and flagged it. I think we need to iron out a degree of consensus over what is and isn't comedy in a news setting. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Okay, thanks, we can continue the discussion there. Wilhelm 13:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC).Reply[reply]

If you've any questions on that please ask. I pretty much defined the guidelines after archiving around 3-4K old articles. It is a horrid task to undertake because you have to check history, perhaps look at diffs, sort sources, add categories and then the {{archived}} tag. After all that you have to slap protection on the article. Initial guidelines were 10 days, later reduced to 7. I'd like to - ideally - see 3 days post-publish, but we simply don't have the people dedicated to that. --Brian McNeil / talk 11:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If there's anything your concerned is a potential target for vandalism or "spinning" I'd be happy to do an ad-hoc archive. It should perhaps be flagged on WN:ALERT and then you can point me at that. In that way you might get other admins who see it before me to do it.

On a related note - since you seem to be a Wikipedian as well - do you know offhand if there's anywhere lists all the DPLs that get copied over to Wikipedia? I'm smiling every time I see another page set up for one of these but haven't kept track of them all. I think this is a great initiative and needs a <small> invitation on each portal where it is featured that helps turn Wikipedians into Wikinewsies. There's a link to a somewhat rambling piece on my user page about the "definitive" Wikinews article and RichardF is also more from Wikipedia and trying to exploit our content there. I wouldn't say Wikipedia is "full" or "complete" but I believe there is more scope for people who want to contribute on current events here - it just needs the publicity, which you guys are giving it. --Brian McNeil / talk 12:12, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'd say avoid adding sources dated after article publication. --Brian McNeil / talk 08:32, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mail on Sunday

Yes but also see this.

either ways :-) --MarkTalk to me 17:32, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

yeah there the same thing really, just the sunday website is for the sunday paper but they both hold the same content really :-) thanks --MarkTalk to me 17:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CofS down

Yes you can. Take a few a few "buzz" statements. So long as you follow WN:SG you can claim OR. Get a screen shot if possible, but if you cannot, let me know the link and I can do one. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:16, 20 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

See: Report: Church of Scientology website being attacked. I have also e-mailed the site's media relations. Had to search google to the core though because when the site does load for some people, its a header/page saying "The word Scientology means search for truth... but no where to go or click. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 06:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good! Nice amount of sources too :) DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 07:15, 20 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Glad to see you passing on the "no constant changing with new sources" meme. --Brian McNeil / talk 09:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Latest CoS article

I've just stuck my neck out and asked a.r.s. for input on this. (Yes, I posted to the froup). Let them have a few hours, time for people in CA to get up and offer input. Worst-case is we bump the story to tomorrow's date for publication.

I don't know how much of the a.r.s. discussion you followed post-previous article, but they were not that happy to see the kiddies get so much publicity. I'd like to get them onside and work out who should be quotable from the group, but it is... incomprehensible at times. --Brian McNeil / talk 10:18, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Current Scientology article

Its approaching 24 hours of being published, so newer updates, if significant, should be in a new article. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Thank You!

No problem, it is my pleasure. Thank you for creating such an interesting and newsworthy article! It was an absolute joy to read! --Skenmy(tcw) 09:08, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tops in readership

Hi Wilhelm. Just thought you would be interested to know that four of the Scientology articles are in the top 100 (or here as well) of readership stats, with Hackers attack Church of Scientology website taking the #1 spot. Well done! --Jcart1534 16:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually it is #1 in articles. The top three spots are internal pages such as Main Page, Search etc. :) --Jcart1534 16:35, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, I see that. Double wow. Wilhelm 16:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That second link is really neat too. More people were coming to the article Hackers attack Church of Scientology website than to the next most popular, Australian actor Heath Ledger found dead in New York City. I wonder where they all were coming from, but it must reflect current interest by the readers in the subject matter. Wilhelm 16:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes we've had such spikes for other timely or controversial articles. The Scientology one must have just struck a chord of interest for many people. --Jcart1534 17:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Evidently so. I wonder what will happen now that it's been Slashdotted, and gotten over 2,615 Diggs. Wilhelm 17:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note on Alexa stats

For posterity:

Note re username change

This user was previously User:Wilhelm, and user name was changed to User:Cirt on January 27, 2008. Cirt 15:39, 27 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Here is the link to the video:

Feel free to add it back to the article. Rekov 13:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Lets wait a while. It was only put up a few hours ago. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 04:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


For the welcome! I've actually had an account here for a while, but haven't found much to do with it. I'd like to start writing here, but it's, you know, tough to find the time! Even though I always seem to manage at WP..... -Peteforsyth - (talk) 00:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm at school at the moment - but feel free to move it! --Skenmy(tcw) 14:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jimmy article

Can you start writing the article soon? I notice all these sources but nothing written, and considering everyone else is doing it in a timely manner, we need to do it too. TheCustomOfLife - (talk) 10:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I know, I know, I've been busy w/ things in real life, and haven't had a chance, also I've been noticing that there is good stuff to add in additional sources. I think I'll have to get to it in a few hours. Cirt - (talk) 10:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image credit

hmm. when i checked the image page, the use of the cc self led me to assume that the two were the same, however more investigation has lead to different terms, so i have corrected the page. --MarkTalk to me 17:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

well not really, as there is no additional information on there that would be usefull. --MarkTalk to me 17:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quote box

i moved the box as it was drastically affecting the layout of the page. also i dont think really that the quote has to be near the text in the article, similar news sources do the same (such as this from the beeb}. in a perfect world they would go together, but on that page the movement of the box outways the layout problems imo. --MarkTalk to me 17:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


You don't need to welcome every IP. Sometimes it's one of us regulars. :P 21:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just bein friendly. Apologies, nice to have some regulars too, keeps the comments page exciting. Cirt - (talk) 21:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Anonymous101 (Talk) 21:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: Scientology article protection

I believe it was already protected :) Thanks anyway - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 00:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: whalers in quiz

No thanks needed, it was definitely a world news article. Thank you! For writing it, really impressive. --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I Certify under Utah Code 46-5-101 and penalty of perjury under Utah law that the Statement made by Jeffrey Vernon merkey is true and correct and that I, Jeffrey Vernon Merkey, posted this statement in response to the WikiNews story concerning the "Edits for Donations" article.

Jeffrey Vernon Merkey —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Okay, well I can certainly respect what has been said as the opinion of whoever said it, but as far as what to do with all that, I think that is up for someone else to respond to, perhaps an Admin, Accredited Reporter, or Arbcomm member on Wikinews. Cirt - (talk) 06:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


If you just sent me an email it got sent to the wrong address. Please try now. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 07:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Haven't got it yet but was it asking for the irc log from my interview. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 07:40, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Or was it about the way I forgot to remove editing template.--Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think you sentt it just before I confirmed my adress. Very sorry but you might have to try again. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 07:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC) Got the message. Can go on IRC now but have to leave for job inn 5 mins. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 07:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Why did you remove my comment? Why can I not comment on someone else's question? Does only the person to which the question refers have the right to answer it? Furthermore, if I read your edit summary correctly, my comment was not 'approp'. In what fashion? You appear to be editing these articles on Anonymous without complaint; do you agree that the 'interviews' with 'members' of Anonymous - which, let us remind ourselves, is a group that requires every member to remain anonymous and therefore anyone can claim to be a member and represent them - are good journalism? -- 15:43, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apologies, I meant to move your comment to the opinions page, I'll do that now. Cirt - (talk) 20:39, 14 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for not answering any of my questions. -- 16:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Removed advertisement (transferred from WN:AAA)

A heads up - I removed an obvious advertisement from Wikinews Shorts: March 15, 2008 - is there an appropriate template to use to notify the user that this sort of thing is inappropriate? Also, is there a better way to deal w/ that than blank the page, like a stand-by template for the Wikinews Shorts or something? Cirt - (talk) 08:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So did I do the right thing by blanking the page and notifying the admins here? I saw that Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) deleted it, so I guess that was the next logical step. Cirt - (talk) 09:07, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What you did was great but it would be even better if you also mark the page with {{delete|advertisement}} so admins who do not check WN:AAA will still know to delete it.
  • Unless there are other shorts on that day, if there are just remove the ad and describe the reasoning in the edit summary)--Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 20:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay thanks, that's what I'll do in the future. Cirt - (talk) 22:09, 17 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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--Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 20:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note to self

Will Wikimedia "run on Sun"?. Cirt - (talk) 20:33, 20 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Further to my previous comments on IRC, having now read this article, I am very impressed. Well done and keep up the good work. My only minor gripe would be the size of the sources list, I'd question whether each of these are used in the work but would accept that they may be and if so the long list is justified. Regards. Adambro - (talk) 13:42, 23 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the positive feedback, much appreciated. And in answer to your question, yeah, all of those sources are used in the article. Cirt - (talk) 13:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Why was my comment deleted? Its in the "opinion" section so it would be pointless to have a neutral point of view and I did sign my post with four tildes. --Cupivistine Noscere? - (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nevermind I don't know what happened... It didn't show my comment when I viewed it first then after my messages it shows? I don't understand... but its resolved I guess.--Cupivistine Noscere? - (talk) 00:26, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sometimes it might take a second or two for the server to catch up. Remember, Wikipedia and other projects are on the same servers so sometimes you might need to do a hard refresh of your browser which usually works. Also remember that you hit submit, and not preview. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Organizing categories

Do you have some system to the way you organize categories, or rather, does Wikinews have a set way to do it? I usually just organize them all alphabetically. Cirt - (talk) 22:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I do ... but it is not directly based on any set policy or guideline, since I feel Wikinews:Categories and topic pages is lacking in structure. A few others seem to follow it and I have often thought that we perhaps should have a guideline. I feel it is useful when viewing the cats at the bottom of an article.
I will articulate the way I see it with an eye to referencing this if we ever get around to updating the guideline.
  1. There must be at least two cats (the third is date category, but that is automatic), one each from what I think of as super-cats: Geographic and Topic, arbitrarily, I have always put Geo first
  2. Top-level cats such as Category:Europe and Category:Culture and entertainment always precede their subcats, such as Category:France and Category:Sports
  3. If there are sub-subcats off of those then they follow below their "parent", such as Category:Paris and Category:Baseball.
  4. If there are multiple categories on the "same level" then I resort to alphabetical (this can be in the case of US states.
  5. To illustrate for an article about a baseball match in Paris (farfetched, I know), I would list the cats as follows: Europe, France, Paris, Culture and entertainment, Sports, Baseball

--SVTCobra 23:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


You don't need to say on a talk page when something isn't OR. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) 07:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC) PS:You seem to add a lot of OR so you might be interested in this discussion at the water cooler/Reply[reply]

I know I don't, but I don't like seeing a redlink for the talkpg, and it can't hurt to leave a note. Cirt - (talk) 07:15, 27 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

African nations

Yup, looks good, and it's better to get it published "on time", than wait too long on it. I've re-added the notations FYI, I'd like them to stay if you don't mind - but hey, if you can think of any other African collaborations, I think this one went fantastically well. Don't hesitate to ask a favour in the future. Sherurcij 20:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

one said it was "unusual" and the other said it didn't look great - neither said the information should be removed, or that it was against the rules. Again, if you don't have a better way to include the information in the article, without putting it in a list in the main articlespace, then leave it be. Sherurcij 21:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
while I respect your opinion, I'm afraid I have to strongly disagree. You cannot say "We are a reputable journalistic pursuit" if we "assume readers will look elsewhere for the actual facts". You can't make "general" claims like say "three al-Qaeda leaders were killed today" if you aren't willing to give their names in the news, and you can't say "cluster bombs have been used in eight African wars" unless you're willing to do the same. It's journalistic integrity, I'm sorry that you don't like the aesthetics of it, but the information is necessary. Sherurcij 21:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Given the general consensus of Wikinews editors as being little more than bloggers, I generally take it as confirmation that I am correct about the journalistic approach the more they oppose me, so your point is ill-formed. Sherurcij 21:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The quiz favours "World news", and Africa is treated even more preferentially. The stories were very well written, interesting and quite in-depth -well done! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 16:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. I hope to generate some more Africa-related articles in the future. Cirt - (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Would you be intrested on collaborating on articles on Gambia. An anon just asked for more articles on that coutry. --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 17:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would love to, so long as there are some sources to base an article on. Not just right now because I am dealing with some other personal issues, but perhaps in a day or so. I do actually want to increase coverage on Wikinews of articles related to Africa. Cirt - (talk) 17:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

by the way, here are two good sources for Gambia news stories [1] [2] --Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 17:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you, I'll look into it when I'm feeling better. Cirt - (talk) 17:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Any idea on when we could get an update on this? Cirt - (talk) 09:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Midnight of never. The page was updated based on a tool on the toolserver. Since that has disappeared, it can't be updated as it has no info. If you know of any places with such info available, please let me know. Bawolff 14:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, thanks for the response. Cirt - (talk) 18:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I have nominated you for adminship at WN:A Anonymous101 (talk · contribs) (Note I have no link with the organization anonymous) 19:05, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you very much, this was unexpected and I appreciate your trust in me. Cirt - (talk) 19:21, 8 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nice to see the high level of support in your rfa --A101 - (talk) 08:36, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, it is nice, but I'm still a little nervous. Though I really do appreciate all the nice things that Wikinews contributors I highly respect are saying about me. Cirt - (talk) 08:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have responded to your query at my talk page. Sorry it took so long, but I was sneaking in some archiving while at work. --SVTCobra 21:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No worries. I replied at your talkpg. Cirt - (talk) 21:44, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A reply has been posted to your most recent comment at Talk:401 children from Texas sect compound taken into custody. -- 22:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC) Reply[reply]

Skype and other forms of Instant Messaging

Yes, I am about, but it is too early in the morning. At 9:14am my girlfriend still hasn't left for work and she comes before anything else. As it is, I have Skype permanently set to "Not Available" to keep interruptions with it to an absolute minimum at all times of the day. I really would prefer you wait until I show up on IRC, but for that I will not be about for a few hours yet. I prefer reserving Skype for when it is essential, either for instant messaging, or even more importantly, for voice.

As was mentioned in IRC, I prefer transparency and described private messages in IRC and Skype as "back channels". Skenmy complained to me that you harangued him in IRC about his vote on your adminship., so I'm not the only one who is getting somewhat irritated about regularly getting private communications that demand immediate attention. At the moment, my mornings are reserved for going through all the email I wake up to. This is generally around 30+ every morning, and sometimes as many as 100; these are a mix of contract vacancies and mailing list issues. Any contract vacancies that interest me can take up to an hour each to handle - writing a cover letter, tweaking my CV, and investigating the advertiser. The mailing list correspondence can, in some cases, require immediate attention too. I'm subscribed to oversight-l, checkuser-l, foundation-l, wikinews-l, and wmfcc-l.

If the Foundation were to start paying me for all the stuff I do in and around Wikinews it would likely be a different matter. I don't see that happening anytime soon - even if we do need an editorial board who take legal responsibility for what we publish. --Brian McNeil / talk 07:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Duly noted, from now on I will wait for you to show up in IRC before attempting to contact you. I am sorry. I will also apologize to Skenmy. Cirt - (talk) 08:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I responded to your message on my talk page. --A101 - (talk) 07:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: South Park

No problems, thanks for bringing it to our attention - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed LOL - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 09:45, 18 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Would you mind going on IRC so I can discuss the issue of the quote in real time. --A101 - (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please see

Template talk:Lead article 1. Thanks, Harris Morgan - (talk) 18:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Oops! Missed your most recent change :P. Thanks again, Harris Morgan - (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC).Reply[reply]
Done, no prob. Cirt - (talk) 18:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I did this: Church of Scientology donates books to Indonesian library. Marked as ready. Opinion? DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 00:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your RfA

Good to see your RfA passed.Below is the message I got after becoming an admin. It includes some helpful tips: --A101 - (talk) 15:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Congratulations, you have just been made a sysop! You have volunteered for boring housekeeping activities which normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops basically can't do anything: They cannot delete pages arbitarily (only obvious junk like "jklasdfl,öasdf JOSH IS GAY"), they cannot protect pages in an edit war they are involved in, they cannot ban users except in cases of obvious vandalism or excessive edit warring (24-hour "cool down" ban). What they can do is delete junk as it appears, ban vandals, remove pages that have been listed on Deletion requests for more than a week, protect pages when asked to by other members, and help keep the few protected pages there are up to date.
Note that almost everything you can do can be undone, so don't be too worried about making mistakes. You will find more information on Wikinews:Administrators, please take a look before experimenting with your new powers. Drop me a message if there are any questions or if you want to stop being a sysop (could it be?). --A101 - (talk) 15:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

nice work

Nice to see you've already started archiving pages--A101 - (talk) 15:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! Cirt - (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good work on the archiving but please remember when archiving to make sure sources are listed from newest to oldest. --A101 - (talk) 16:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where did I miss that? I'll go back and fix it. Cirt - (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've tried to fix it where I've seen it. --A101 - (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah okay so so far just Oregon court lets child decide on own circumcision ? Cirt - (talk) 16:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think so, although I haven't checked them all --A101 - (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, thanks. Cirt - (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just noticed the same issue with Obama wins South Carolina primary (corrected). This only happened once but I thought I'd let you know as it can't hurt. --A101 - (talk) 20:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

California student arrested in criminal threats made on Wikipedia

I was taking a look at this article and though t that an interview with the admin who reported it might be interesting for a follow up. Any thoughts? --A101 - (talk) 16:29, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A good idea, I will look into it. Also looking to see if there have been any further news developments on this, but haven't found any so far. Cirt - (talk) 16:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I got a statement from Dreadstar about the events via email for a follow up article as I expected developments, allthough an interview would be better .If you want to include it in any future articles I will give you the quote. --A101 - (talk) 16:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, thanks. I'll keep you posted. Cirt - (talk) 16:35, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just wondering...

why you deleted your user page. --A101 - (talk) 17:43, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Eh, I wanted to go with a more succinct version and move some stuff off to a subpage. (See top new userbox).  :) Cirt - (talk) 17:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lead synopsis

Hi, Cirt. I noticed that when you update the leads, you tend to just copy the first and/or second paragraphs of the article to make that the synopsis. I believe, and I hope you will agree, that the synopsis should rather be a concise summary of the main points in the article. Some news outlets offer the synopsis at the top of their articles in bold or otherwise enhanced font, but as of yet, we do not. Granted it does make the updating of leads a bit more tedious. Cheers, --SVTCobra 00:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, generally for a bunch of the other articles, I see that the top of the articles on Wikinews have some brief info to draw the reader in. But I have no problem if for your articles you want to adjust those leads, that's fine. Cirt - (talk) 08:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


You might want to add your name to the Welcommittee , considering most of the welcomes are delivered by you. --A101 - (talk) 18:29, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Cirt - (talk) 18:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well Done!

I, Anonymous101, hereby award Cirt the Wikinews Trophy for excellent work on archiving articles in just a couple of days as admin. A101 - (talk) 06:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Many thanks! Cirt - (talk) 06:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


for the help with the Helen Thomas flowers article.--ragesoss - (talk) 07:04, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Zirkle article and source formating

Hi, in regards to the formating and placement of the link to his law firm, I left it as it because I couldn't find a last updated date on the page. Also, see other relevant comments on the collaboration page. Where did you get the April 25 date from? JoshuaZ - (talk) 21:06, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Print Edition archiving

can I suggest that you create a template of some sort to indicate that a print edition has been archived.--A101 - (talk) 18:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sigh, that would mean going back and tagging all those print editions as archived. It's a good idea, but I suggest you run that by Cspurrier (talk · contribs). Cirt - (talk) 18:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Asked Cspurrier (talk · contribs).By the way, as it involves just protecting and (possibly) tagging, print edition archiving could easily be performed by bot. --A101 - (talk) 18:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Using a bot for that would be an excellent idea. And as far as tagging, the same template, {{archived}}, would be fine IMHO. Cirt - (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not sure if you use this page anymore but in case you do I thought I'd tell you that the list now shows February results as the whole of Jnuary has been archived.--A101 - (talk) 19:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, thanks. I am moving forward now from Apri 5 onward, after that I will come back to the list. Cirt - (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Scientology abuse?

This is interesting: Leader of Church of Scientology, David Miscavige, Physically Abused Staff For Years. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 21:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Additional sources? Cirt - (talk) 22:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Glosslip did the no there won't be. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 15:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well then I will defer to others as far as an article about this topic. It is an interesting subject matter but for the moment I am focused in other areas, though continuing to monitor related news/coverage. Cirt - (talk) 15:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

However it would be an interesting idea at some point for Wikinews to have an interview with Marc Headley. Cirt - (talk) 15:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2007/08 Bundesliga: Hansa Rostock vs. Bayern Munich article

This is a match that happened at the beginning of last February. It's too old to be news and should be deleted immediately. Kingjeff - (talk) 14:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. Now that it is tagged it will be dealt with soon. Cirt - (talk) 15:14, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am considering unblocking this user and replacing with a warning per Wikinews:Blocking policy#Disruption. The disruption seems to be publishing an article that was not ready and adding {{test}} to your talk page. Do you object? Of course, I will reinstate the block if such behavior recurs. --SVTCobra 21:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good job with the wikifying of Microsoft's attempt to buy out Yahoo may never happen, for whatever reason I always just skip right on by that It's great to have peoplelike you who come behind and get it done, I really appriciate it, you are doing a great job.--Ryan524 - (talk) 18:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks!  :) Cirt - (talk) 18:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

translation tag....

Maybe the article showed no problems, but Template:Translated Wikinews showed on syntax problems. The basis of its article should be OK, should I remove "translated" template? Brock contact... 08:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  • Why did your proposal do earlier?
  • If the upcoming COMPUTEX, it will be a major problem! COMPUTEX, as of TAITRA, is the 2nd largest IT trade show in the world, everyone want to see its growths and changes, but if delayed more and more, I would rather leave out because of timeless, and BTW, because of Computex 2007, I eventually broke relations with Wikimedians in Taiwan.

Remember, do your proposal earlier before I get to leave out Wikinews. Brock contact... 08:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your concerns, but since I joined Wikinews IRC channel, there seemed no one want to do any copy-edits on my OR articles. Even though in fact, English is my second language. Also, should I notify on Editor's Blog? Brock contact... 03:53, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, Cirt. BrockF5 is a valued member of Wikinews and one of the few accredited reporters that actually does good ol'e fashioned reporting on a regular basis. He goes out there into the real world (albeit a lot of trade shows) with camera and pen in hand. The only problem is that English is a second language. I have worked on copy-editing several of them. My problem was with Zanimum, a longstanding editor, who should know better than to just publish it without copy-editing. Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiProject Wikinews

Yes. This will definitely be part of the project. Kingjeff - (talk) 14:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I could if you really need it, however i don't even use the one i list most of the time, i actually watch the games live and simply list that source to make people happy.Dark_Squall - (talk) 03:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nice work

Nice work on Wail of sirens marks Holocaust Remembrance Day in Israel. It is well written and is incredibly long. --A101 - (talk) 17:55, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you! Cirt - (talk) 17:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your help with Research shows that bats cry to detect prey. Do you think it is now ready of publishing? --A101 - (talk) 19:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Made changes. Any other suggestions? A101 - (talk) 19:12, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done, {{publish}}. Cirt - (talk) 19:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have attempted to copyedit MT duo & Robot Taiwan 2008: Vast opportunities for machinery industry, which you marked with {{cleanup}}. (see the diff) Would you mind checking the article to see if it is ready for publishing.


A101 - (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done, published. Cirt - (talk) 05:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have started WN:TO-DO as a place to list what should be daily or weekly points to check for regular contributors. Some parts are admin-only (e.g. Archiving) but others are things that anyone can get involved with. Feel free to add additional points and spread the word about this shortcut to get people helping do Wikignome tasks. --Brian McNeil / talk 15:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Very nice idea. Cirt - (talk) 15:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I am gonna need some help with me when you are able. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 17:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


You are an archiving warrior, to just see the RC list filled with you archving, its great that you are doing that, so I herby give you the non-existant Archiving Warrior seriously good work.--Ryan524 - (talk) 02:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. Cirt - (talk) 02:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
I, User:Chris Mann, award User:Cirt the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for his huge efforts in archiving articles and performing other repetitive admin actions in large volume.
Many thanks! This is much appreciated.  :) Cirt - (talk) 04:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Sorry about flooding recent changes. I wanted to welcome users who had contribute to this project to try to get them to contribute again.

I still want to welcome new users, so how should I do it without flooding recent changes? Legoktm - (talk) 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Cirt, please give it a few days before archiving closed RfAs, I went to look how this RfA was closed and had to go looking at the archives. Adambro - (talk) 12:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah okay, sorry about that. Cirt - (talk) 16:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Why you protected about this one??? Tolololpedia is Uncyclopedia Indonesian Language Azmi1995 13:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The article was being vandalized by a hoax account. Cirt - (talk) 19:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hop in for a moment when you can. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:26, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My Sources

There are two sources. The match report in the template and the source under sources. Kingjeff - (talk) 02:28, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for reerting the vandalism to my user page Anonymous101 :) 05:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No prob. I semi-protected it as well, feel free to change that as you wish. Cirt - (talk) 05:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[[Wikinews:Administrators#User:Ryan524|My RFA]

I am, once again, putting myself up for Rfa. I would appriciate it if you could stop by My RFA and vote. Wheter support or oppose I would appriciate your vote to avoid another situation of having too few votes.-Ryan524 (talk) 23:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lead 3

Good catch, I'm surprised I didn't notice that, it must hasve been the diffrent picture. Atleast one of us is fully awake.--Ryan524 (talk) 04:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just caught that in the middle of working on an article. Should be done with it soon. Cirt (talk) 04:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Page move

Hello I don't mind in as much as I don't hold it against you, but I still think the title two which I moved it is better, since it is the actual name of the institution. Thanks for your note. Koavf (talk) 19:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Clean-up of article

You added a note asking for clean-up of an article I started, is this enough/what you expected? :)

2008 MLS: Week 7 Round-up 19:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Yes, I get the timeline now (and was aware of it at the Brianmc reconfirmation) ... I was writing my vote/comment on the Adambro de-sysop request when I got an edit conflict and saw that it had been closed and archived (why speedy archive? that I still don't understand but that wasn't you ... or perhaps you are the only reason that it got archived at all ... too many edits). Anyways ... I had not yet voted and it was still open when I had decided/started writing, I felt it was ok to add it to the archive. Alas, I was unaware of Adambro's request on his talk page. Cheers, --SVTCobra 23:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikinews Bulletin

Here is the latest Wikinews bulletin. Enjoy!

Issue X - May 17, 2008
Administrators and Accredidations
  • Since our last edition, Cirt (talk · contribs) has been given the mop and bucket, and Ryan524 (talk · contribs) (now retired) asked for adminship.
  • No one has became an accredited reporter on Wikinews. There are no requests you can currently vote or comment on, although there are lots of De-adminship Requests.
Featured Articles and News In Pictures
  • No articles were promoted recently. Several candidates are waiting for your vote, including two exclusive interviews.
  • Several images were featured on the main pages, which you can check out in the News In Picture archive.
  • Several images have been featured on the Main Page .The latest of which is available below. -
[edit] Credit: Jon Davis
Strega crossing the finish line to win the Gold Unlimited class at the Reno Air Races 2009
Original reporting

Since our last edition, many articles have claimed original reporting. Here are the most recent:

Several others wrote stories based on television sources. The Wikinews Reports blog activity was mostly related to some of these stories. You can ask any of the blog authors if you want to help out on the blog.

Editor's note

In the last few months activity on Wikinews has continued to decrease to an incredibly low level. There are hardly any new contributers joining and one of our best users, DragonFire1024 (talk · contribs) has gone on Wikibreak. However, some excellent articles are continuing to be written. Anonymous101 :) 12:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Site activity
IRC activity
  • Some of the IRC topics include Wikimedia Radio. ... (add more here if you know more...)
Wikimedia News
About the Wikinews Bulletin

The Wikinews Bulletin is a free internal newsletter for members of the Wikinews community. The newsletter is "staffed" by several editors, who produce the (more or less) fortnightly publication. Don't hesitate to join our team, or leave us a tip. The publication has produced nine issues.

Anonymous101 :) 12:31, 17 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


  • From WP : "Spat may refer to: * Spitting, in the past tense"
  • Merriam Webster: "past of SPIT"
  • Wiktionary: "Simple past tense and past participle of spit."
  • BBC: Article "...spat at..."
  • Also from your NYT article: "...spat at an officer..."
  • Another article :"...spat on her..."
  • Man spat in guard's face, court hears

Also the "for spitting" articles you link to are correct, as they are in the present tense. Im not saying that spit isnt a correct spelling, but what i am saying is that as it's in the past it should be spat, according to proper english. --MarkTalk to me 09:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

:-) --MarkTalk to me 10:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you help on working on the table? This is a massive table and a lot of people need to work on it. Kingjeff (talk) 01:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not worried about the sources right now. I'll do that last. Kingjeff (talk) 01:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Welcome

Hey, thanks for the welcome message. Sorry for the late response; I don't log in here too often. I'm usually just active with Wikipedia. :) Juliancolton (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think it qualifies for speedy deletion, If you don't like it, put it up on DR. But if you want to cover Wikipedias ass on this one oh well, I'll just move on to my next investigative piece.--CheeseDE (talk) 23:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Obviously not appropriate material for an article. Cirt (talk) 23:17, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
IMO the article was not newsworthy, would have been very hard to get to be NPOV and would not have interested our readers in any kinda way. This leads to deletion and please note if you next article is similar then the same is likely to occur. --MarkTalk to me 23:19, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Did you even read it or did you assume its some rant, its an investigative piece, if there is seru\iously an issue with it do you mind being specific so it can be resolved?--CheeseDE (talk) 23:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Seems to me you're just covering Wikipedia ass for them, if not it should have gone through dr not speedied. Can I expect this for other investigative reports?--CheeseDE (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
yup i did read the article (and still can), and it doesnt meet the criteria specified above. also as noted on your wp talk page "section header rant" you made wikinews, which to me re-iterates the fact that one user being blocked is not news worthy. overall it wont meet site criteria for articles. however if you want to do NPOV investigate articles then these are always appriciated. also believe me that we do not cover wp's ass (as you may have seen recenetly in other media outlets) so this is not what it was. thanks --MarkTalk to me 23:25, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have commented on your block of User talk:Sonicthehedgehog9000 at WN:AAA. Anonymous101 :) 17:58, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The Tireless Contributor Barnstar -- I, User:Anonymous101, award User:Cirt the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for writng an amazing number of excellent articles like UK minor faces charges for calling Scientology 'cult' at protest Anonymous101 :)
Thank you very much, and thank you for being so kind, civil, respectful and patient with me. Cirt (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: AP Stylebook

No prob, don't hesitate to ask if you need something looked up. IRC just kicked out on me, it's been doing that a lot recently Thunderhead 23:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for reviewing and publishing Dinosaur tracks found on Arabian Peninsula Anonymous101 :) 17:18, 23 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nice work Cirt, another well written article about a very newsworthy issue related to Scientology. It is nice to see that we're avoiding the barrage of questionable articles which we've suffered from in the past every time Anon or the CoS coughed. Having been to two of the London protests and then decided not to go to the more recent ones it is interesting to note that they seem to have the potential to be newsworthy again. Certainly I would expect the next protest in London to have a strong attendance as a result of this and it will be interesting to see how the Police handle this in light of the decision by the CPS. If I'm free I'll probably go down to the next one. Even if nothing much happens, as in the case of the latest protest, developments could emerge after the event for which knowledge of what went on and photographs could be useful. So I'm not saying that the next London protest will be worthy of an article, just that depending on events there is a reasonable potential for it to be and so it is probably worth me heading down to London for it. Adambro (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Content removal

No problem. I see you've been very busy discusing it while I've been away. Thanks also for doing all the backing work to my article on the Exeter bomb, very appreciated. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 18:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No prob, and thank you too. Cirt (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

USL football: Djekanovic to Whitecaps; O'Brien to Earthquakes

So the title can't change. How about the categories and the Defaultsort? Kingjeff (talk) 19:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, sorry, I will get to that if no one else has already. Cirt (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, why do you removed external links from this article? They are helpful for people that are affected by this bug and to have more info about it. Ciao --Trek00 (talk) 21:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In general they are discouraged unless they are/were used as sources. Cirt (talk) 01:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2008 MLS: Week 7 Round-up

You put the wrong defaultsort. It should be Week 7 Round-up. Kingjeff (talk) 18:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done - Fixed. Cirt (talk) 18:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deleting images

Don't forget to remove the deleted images from the articles in which they were used. Cheers, --SVTCobra 13:33, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good point, thanks. Cirt (talk) 13:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great stuff

Hey there ... really enjoying your articles lately! Interesting topics, and really in-depth coverage. My only complaint is that you don't leave more stuff for me to copy-edit, as that's about all I do here :) Wikidsoup (talk) 16:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, thanks for the comment, really appreciated! Cirt (talk) 22:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archiving - date formats


  • Date format is Month Daynumber, Year. This should be enforced throughout the sources and other sections.

I notice you missed this in Sulfur Dioxide levels in Hawaii remain high. Cheers, --SVTCobra 17:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I generally just leave the dates uniform if they are all the same, but feel free to make adjustments if you want to. Cirt (talk) 22:47, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is pretty explicit in WN:ARCHIVE. I wouldn't ignore it unless you propose we modify the policy. --SVTCobra 23:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is not that I am ignoring it, just that when archiving I don't always take the time to explicitly go through and change the date formats, if it is uniform and easily understandable for all of the sources cited. But again, I have no problem with you going through and making adjustments if you feel you want to. I don't think that any reader would have had a problem understanding what the demarcated dates were in the prior format. Cirt (talk) 23:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As we covered on IRC, I have not been reviewing your archiving. This particular story came up on "recent changes" for other reasons. That is when I noticed this. I would be very open to modifying WN:ARCHIVE, as it is very strict. --SVTCobra 23:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, understandable. Thanks again for being so polite throughout. Cirt (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are always cordial and proper, so I would not feel a need to act otherwise towards you. Further, this is hardly something you should thank me for, but rather, you should expect it. --SVTCobra 23:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeed, we all should. Cirt (talk) 00:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


are you the only live contributor/admin tonight? - Amgine | t 02:11, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hehe, nope, just check Special:RecentChanges.  :) Cirt (talk) 02:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Green Line article

Thanks for the compliment, yes, this is probably the first fatal accident in a long time involving someone on a MBTA train as opposed to outside it. --TUFKAAP (talk) 15:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just what I had in mind. Thanks. --+Deprifry+ 17:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My Decition

COMPUTEX is my last one battle, I hope anyone here not to be disappointed with my expects, because this mission should be temporarily suspended after COMPUTEX for a long-period, including Chinese. I'm in a difficult situation since many foreign press were "READY" before the COMPUTEX & WiMAX Expo next week. Brock contact... 12:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello, I will enter into the Press Center tomorrow, at least someone should pay more attentions after I will finish any articles in real-time (or to say any-time), in addition, see Portal:2008 COMPUTEX Taipei.

One of the series OR should be put on "at least" one lead article template because this is the second largest show behind of CeBIT. Because when the show starts, many reporters will get rush to publish articles during the show hours!!!! The cared about real-time, so did I, but you? Brock contact... 12:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I've never done Wikinews, mostly I do Wikipedia and Commons. The entry needs expanded, but you got any pointers on formatting? :) Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looks like there might be 2 articles merged together on that subject. Cirt (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My newest article

I've just written FIFA and European Union are set to collide. It's my first original reporting piece and would like you to take a look at it to see if it meets the standards of Wikinews. Thanks. Kingjeff (talk) 18:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Replied at user's talk page. Cirt (talk) 06:53, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And how would people then find their way to the voting page on Wikinews? The meta page certainly provides no link back to Special:Boardvote. And all information about the candidates is also linked to from the entry page at SPI. --+Deprifry+ 11:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Link collection

Might I counter by suggesting that, if that is the purpose of the links, you find somewhere within Wikinews:Story preparation or your userspace to do this kind work? The collaboration page for an article from April is hardly the right place to do it. --SVTCobra 16:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that the commentary-space might be a better place for "An interesting development in this ongoing saga." --SVTCobra 16:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Editorial Clean up

May I suggest that you revert your removal of the notice on the article talk page as the notice is regarding additions you made. Thanks, Anonymous101 :) 16:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I would rather not, I have made my reasoning clear to SVTCobra (talk · contribs) on his talk page. On top of that, it is extremely irregular and inappropriate to have such a notice on a talk page of an article - those notices are meant for article space. Cirt (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. I can't say I agree with that decision but I will respect your comment and not revert it. Anonymous101 :) 16:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Cirt (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FYI I customized the flag for a talk page and did not use the article message template, though it was based on it. I still say that article development should take place elsewhere. --SVTCobra 16:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I obviously knew what your opinion was going to be. I wanted to call attention to it so that other people could look at it and see what they thought. I wasn't looking to talk to you about it. --SVTCobra 16:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What would you think about creating these links on a user subpage instead? Anonymous101 :) 16:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You mean why wouldn't I? Because I do this on lots of other articles and it is a very convenient way of tracking follow ups in the news, planning for a potential follow-up piece, and also to track other online sources that cite the article itself. I see no problem with using the article's talk page space for these express purposes. I find it silly that we are even still having this discussion about talk page space of articles and not just spending this time writing new articles instead. Cirt (talk) 17:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You asked SVTCobra to discuss things in a message on his talk page and it seems important to discuss this issue as well. You say one of the reasons you do this is to "track other online sources that cite the article itself". I am not sure if tracking pages citing this article helps this project in any way. I still don't see why a user subpage wouldn't be as convenient for listing follow up sources. Anonymous101 :) 17:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tracking other websites that cite the article itself or literally copy from it is certainly an interesting thing to do, it shows the traction that a particular article has, and it is just plain neat to follow. I can cite plenty of articles where it has served to be very convenient for me to add sources to that article's talk page for a follow-up article and I think it is very appropriate and a good practice. On a couple occasions other people have even used those formatted sources to start new follow-up articles on their own, that I had been planning to do anyway and that was exactly why I was tracking the sources, to make it easier to do just that. I would rather not use my own user space for this purpose as it would get confusing which source goes to which article and it is very easy to use the article space to do that. And I would rather not keep track of all the sources offline as that would be more tedious as well. Cirt (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What would be the problem with creating User:Cirt/Sources/<Article Name>. Then there could not be confusion over which source goes to which article . Then you could even get an automatic listing of pages you have created these for as they would be subpages so it would seem to be easier. Anonymous101 :) 17:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hrm, a subpage in user space for every article that a Wikinews user writes, instead of using the talk page. Seems very inconvenient and a big bother to me. To satisfy what? As far as I know we do not have a policy which says that you cannot use the talk page of an article for preparation of a follow-up piece that is very very closely related to that article. It seems overly stringent to begin to parse what is and is not appropriate for talk pages other than limiting opinion to the comments page and removing blatant personal attacks or vandalism, IMHO. Cirt (talk) 17:18, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image lacks a rationale so why have you removed the tag? Adambro (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Per the licensing info given in the Licensing subsection. Cirt (talk) 17:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The content of the licensing section section consists of the image source and a mention of the licenses. This is far from a rationale as required by both local and global policies. Adambro (talk) 17:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Non commercial reuse is permitted via share alike, does not seem to necessitate a detailed fair use rationale, though of course that would be nice. Cirt (talk) 18:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It is an unfree image so yes it is required to have a rationale. Adambro (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Seems under the license given that the copyright holder expressly allows use of the image for noncommercial purposes, so long as it is shared alike. That, plus the usage in the article as given at the image page under articles that link to it, seems to be sufficient, though a detailed fair use rationale is always nice. Cirt (talk) 18:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The community seem to support the use of cc-by-nc-sa images (and similar) without a rational. Anonymous101 :) 18:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Agree w/ Anonymous101 (talk · contribs). Further discussion about this issue in general is inappropriate for user talk page space but would be better off hashed out in a community space please. (Though I thought that detailed discussion already took place at WN:DR.) Cirt (talk) 18:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Sorry for making such a big deal out of the talk page issue. Anonymous101 :) 17:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, thanks for the note.  :) Cirt (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

abandoned articles

Hi Cirt, if you just add {{subst:aband}} to articles instead of {{abandoned}} then a date will get added and it will show up on WN:PROD for deletion at the proper time. Cheers, --SVTCobra 01:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ah, quite. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I am going to investigate the Single User Login opt-in -TTT —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:16, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Block this user, please

Poopu blow job (talkcontribs (logs)block (block log)), for rather obvious reasons. Thanks! Maxim(talk) 20:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Cirt (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Been around lately? Hit me up sometime. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 03:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I have nominated you for ArbCom at the nominations page. Anonymous101 (talk) 14:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for accepting the nomination Anonymous101 (talk) 20:49, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

in the past cirt you have helped alot with my articles

I hearby give you the medal of hope and prosperity --OfficerLeRoy (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I note that you've nominated IlyaHaykinson to be considered for a position on the Arbitration Committee. Considering this user's level of involvement with the project, their last 50 edits go back to October 2007, do you really feel them to be an appropriate candidate? Would you be able to explain your thinking about this? Regards. Adambro (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I already explained my rationale in the nomination. Cirt (talk) 03:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Embargoed Wiki

I noticed you were against the Embarged Wiki idea in the past. I have been significantly revising the proposal and am wondering if you can read and comment on it: Wikinews:Proposal for Embargoed wiki. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 02:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will take a look, thanks for the notice. Cirt (talk) 04:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nope not yet as far as I know. What I do know is that brianmc is going to be talking about it during his Wikinews presentation at Wikimania. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 01:05, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interesting story

I thought you might be interested in this [4] from Wikileaks [5]. Link to PDF at the bottom of article in first link. DragonFire1024 (Talk to the Dragon) 18:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


article needs renaming to - Second Arab-Israeli bulldozer attack in July 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Cirt (talk) 12:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I wasn't sure about my choice of image for the new article (it still needs work) and believe the removal was very reasonable (I was probably going to either remove or replace it anyways). On a side note, could you please rename the page and replace 120 with 160? apparently, the numbers have upped since I started the article. 16:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm thinking the article is fairly ready for publishing but wouldn't mind another opinion on the selected image/text. 17:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm thinkgin the image is not that great. If you have any suggestions, I'd be happy to see them. 17:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, your edit made me warm up to it a little. heh. Feel free to add the {{publish}} tag if you think it's ready. I'm thinking it's possibly missing a category or two and is otherwise ready. 17:43, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will take a look shortly. Cirt (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Apparently, 160 was not enough for them and the article should now be retitled to 200. 19:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found one [6]. The Mind's Eye (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Clarification: Ynet changed the text and title in their article. 19:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
p.s. nice catch, Mindsye. I see they got some pictures as well. 19:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Okay, thanks. Cirt (talk) 19:22, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One comment would it not maybe be better to change the name to "Six year old girl and six others killed, Hamas arrests rival Fatah supporters" or miliants as the figure may vary? The Mind's Eye (talk) 19:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Cirt (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is a clear error. Hamas may have focused on Fatah establishments, but the main story is not 10-20 people being arrested, but 200! I would strongly request that the title be taken back. 19:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Best to discuss with The Mind's Eye (talk · contribs) on the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 19:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's a bit unfair IMHO considering my explanation and journalistic reasoning. Anyways, I'll ask him/her about it. 19:59, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I just think that the central place to discuss this should not be a user talk page but the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree and though he/she hasn't responded yet, I will await his/her input. I have an additional question. I noticed that not all sources agree on how many people were killed in the attack some say 6 including the girl, some 5 and her, some 4 and her. So I'm really confused on what the actual name should be? The Mind's Eye (talk) 21:11, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Again, another question better raised and hashed out on the article's talk page than here. Cirt (talk) 21:12, 26 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thought I'd let you know that I managed to get Mindsye to cross over to the dark side (translation: to agree with me). Anyways, that's what I understood from our discussion. I left him/her a note to change the title to what they see fit but I thought you might be interested in the discussion as well, both to see that all is well, and to understand my annoying head-strong perspective on the title subject. Cheerio, 04:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
77.127 has massive powers of persuasion plus good common sense. We agreed upon Six year old girl and five others killed, Hamas arrests 200 Palestinians. Works for me and him/her. I'm now his most humble Sith servant. LOL. I'm a he. The Mind's Eye (talk) 16:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Glad you could come to an amicable agreement. Cirt (talk) 16:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question: What does it take to get a lead here on wikinews? I'm thinking this one is a substantial enough event. Current lead is from the 25th while the one I suggested is from the 26th. 17:09, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Usually someone else looks it over after it has been published and updates one of the leads if the current ones are older. Cirt (talk) 17:12, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done Cirt (talk) 17:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


You folks work fast. The Mind's Eye (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

LOL. Cirt (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do you know anyone around there so we could get a pic of the church or something? The Mind's Eye (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I do not, sorry. Cirt (talk) 17:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can you look over/review this one? --Brian McNeil / talk 14:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry I did not get to this in time but it looks like other people reviewed it. Cirt (talk) 20:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Do you have time to review British doctor killed after being shot while on honeymoon? Anonymous101talk 20:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, must dash out now :( Will be back in a few hours. Cirt (talk) 20:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, no problem. By the way, thanks for your support on my commons RfA. Anonymous101talk 20:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My pleasure, you deserve it. Cirt (talk) 03:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Message from IRC User drivamgr2008Spri (User:Tmalmjursson)

Hi. This is a mass message to those I know on IRC from Wikinews and Wikinews EN. Please refer to my userpage for an important message concerning my IRC Presence. Thanks! Thor Malmjursson (talk) 14:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Could You

Could you take a look at this article I started and review, 150 Fatah supporters permitted to enter Israel. The Mind's Eye (talk) 23:13, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done. Cirt (talk) 23:22, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for making things look purdy and getting them all sorted out. Very much appreciated. --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 00:51, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My pleasure. Cirt (talk) 00:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Independant review

Hi, you recently flagged an article I wrote as being "not yet been reviewed by [an] independent user". Could I please check whether this is policy, as I have seen numerous individuals, including administrators, go straight in with {{publish}} tags on stories, and seeing this was a breaking story, this seemed appropriate. If not, please can you review it. --GW_SimulationsUser Page | Talk 04:34, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well with the recent changes from {{Ready}} moved/renamed to {{Review}} per Wikinews:Water cooler/proposals, it may not be policy set in stone b