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 ~The bellman | Smile  00:22, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Hi! Good work reverting that vandalism today.... - Borofkin 23:46, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks. Bawolff 23:50, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image caption

Seems to work for me... "fetal errors"? <grin> - Amgine/talk 29 June 2005 05:36 (UTC)

I think i need to add "/usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/EditPage.php" to obituraies (: Bawolff 29 June 2005 05:40 (UTC)

Thank you...

Thank you for adding the transclusion to [[Category:Protected]]. I thought about doing that, but I was sidtracked. --Chiacomo (talk) 01:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your welcome. Glad someone noticed. Bawolff 01:28, 25 August 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the cup of tea :) I really appreciate it :) Jason Safoutin 15:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hey thanks for the heads up on the userbox war. --Zachjones4 21:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New Main Page design proposal

I invite you and others to see Main Page Talk, where I have proposed a new Main Page for Wikinews. Best wishes, NGerda 01:50, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Wendy's infobox

Hi ya'! This infobox was the very first to be developed here at Wikinews. Kinda rough, huh? :0! Best regards. -Edbrown05 23:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

yeah. Bawolff 23:02, 10 September 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for getting the box and cats up... I'm gonna get to the story text in a bit (it's rough yet I know) -Edbrown05 23:06, 10 September 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Yes you can add google and anything like it - the only condition is that it should be useful, practical and does not overlap with other existing categories. Redundant catagories will be removed. -> CGorman (Talk) 11:54, 24 September 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Astronomy Category

Thanks for the reorganization. I was just trying to offer constructive criticism and to define that there can be a difference between the two categories. Recent news stories such as the large Kuiper objects pushing the limits of the definition of a planet would clearly be considered Astronomy articles, and have some real general interest as well. I'm just trying to give Astronomers their due. Again, thanks for the work. --Robert Horning 23:36, 4 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

no problem Bawolff 23:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Google Homepage

Yes, it is an RSS parser. I'm not sure of the specifics of it, but it seems to parse RSS 1.0 and 2.0 feeds (haven't tried Atom yet). --Mrmiscellanious 02:09, 9 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I was wondering if you'd be opposed to my nominating you for adminship? - Amgine / talk 22:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

not at all. Bawolff 22:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
<grin> I hoped not. You're now nominated, and you will need to accept the nomination there (just say you accept and sign it.) Hope others share my opinions about your value to the site! - Amgine / talk 23:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you again. Bawolff 23:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for nominating the Iraq ballots story! --Wolfrider 23:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC) No problem. I really enjoyed reading that story. Bawolff (- 23:02, 19 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Template:W is a shortcut for links to Wikipedia. Instead of having to type both items, users can use the template to link to WP and only type the item once. (For example, United States of America) --Mrmiscellanious 23:29, 19 October 2005 (UTC) respomdes on user page.Bawolff (- 21:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spanish-language Wikinews Print edition

Hello. I downloaded perfectly the three PDF files of the Spanish Wikinews print version. Maybe you've having a problem with your Acrobat. Try reinstalling it or updating it if needed. Thanks for your comments. Cheers! Julián Ortega 14:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wal-Mart Article

Either fix the article to you're liking or make some suggestions. I edited the article substantially to make it neutral. You can't just censor articles.

I'll cite the Wal-Mart source as well. 22:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm stuggling to keep cool. The reason you suspect that there is copyright infringement is because Wal-Mart Watch, and a number of other groups, sent out the information in a PRESS release. Press releases are not copywritten. 23:06, 22 October 2005 (UTC) responded on your user page Bawolff (- 23:27, 22 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Congrats — the community has voted and you're now a Wikinews Administrator. Thanks for volunteering for this thankless job of cleaning up after vandals and processing deletion requests. Have fun! :-) -- IlyaHaykinson 07:48, 24 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ditto; congratulations. Neutralizer 11:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks Bawolff (- 23:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Late congrats! -> CGorman (Talk) 17:47, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re; Student demonstration article

Since you had previously edited the article/talk; I thought you may wish to get involved on the talk page after seeing what happened to the article within a 5 minute period. [1] [2] [3]. Neutralizer 11:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hope you will help me if this happens

An anon put this on my talk page today; "== Warning == theres a plot to perman. ban you. see: [[4]]"

In the meantime I have decided to take a wiki-break from editing (pls. see my talk) Neutralizer 21:20, 25 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks Bawolff! I feel guilty as I've been quite inactive lately! I'm trying my best to contribute; but i'm in the middle of quite a lot at the moment... -> CGorman (Talk) 17:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

your welcome. Bawolff (- 19:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pre-war intelligence category and WN:DR

I knew there was a person who would ask! Anyways, the changing of the category is a pretty subtantial change, so I want the fact the name has been changed in a reletively-public area. You know, so people aren't shocked when they find their favorite category has gone away. --MESSEDROCKER (talk) 22:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok, sounds like a good idea. Bawolff (- 22:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

News categories vs encyclopedia categories

I see you're doing a lot of category work. Have you considered whether these are news-oriented categories as opposed to encyclopeida categories? Wikinews is not an encyclopedia, and many of the categories which are being created (not necessarily by yourself) are not NPOV. - Amgine / talk 23:54, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry If i'm adding categories to pages wich are not news categories, I'm just adding categories that were already there. Which categories do you specificly mean? the only when I can think of is really Category:Disease, which is livin' on the edge.Bawolff (- 23:59, 28 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
<nod> That one caught my eye, but items like the Plame category/Pre-war intelligence/whatever the current name is and the Human Rights category are clearly being used in a POV manner, and are nearly useless as a news category as well. If I were to look I'm sure I'd see a large number of non-news categories. - Amgine / talk 00:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pre war intel's being taken care of (WN:DR), however Human rights and some other categories that look useless at first site are very useful on various infoboxes and would brake DPL's If they wern't there. Bawolff (- 00:07, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Some of the categories were designed to create POV infoboxes, such as the Human Rights one. Some of the categories are only used by people pushing a POV because they are sub-sub-categories or further down the chain. Earlier discussions about categories continually found that, excluding regional categories, top and first level categories are the only ones used with any consistency, and usually only top. - Amgine / talk 00:18, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Unnecessary? I never said it was unnecessary. I said it was POV, and is causing fights in the community. For these reasons it is necessary that it be removed, IMO. - Amgine / talk 00:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was refering to Mr.M's comment not yours in regards to it being unnessary. Bawolff (- 15:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks re; infobox

Thanks for the kind words and your help with the infobox. It has been a new thing for me; and quite enjoyable. Neutralizer 01:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well I place my thanks here too as that was exactly what I tried! --Ameer™ 19:45, 31 October 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


just weird trivia I've picked up along the way. - Amgine / talk 23:46, 1 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, feel free to delete it. I uploaded it by accident. Thanks. Cllewr 01:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the welcome!

New here, but active on Wikipedia for almost a year. I can see I've got a few things to learn about writing news articles here, but I'm learning. On that note, your welcoming remarks and links were very useful. --Skyring 07:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm glad you apreciated it. Bawolff (- 22:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Passed-dr template

Good question. I made the link to the archive external-link style so that people will simply copy and paste the link from their browser. Simply a convenience thing. --MESSEDROCKER (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ok. Bawolff (- 22:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: welcome

you are more than welcome. ~The bellman | Smile 04:27, 7 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Glad you got a laugh! :) Cartooning is a recent interest of mine. Sometimes the mood strikes, and then the drawing comes hard to me, as I am certainly no pro... But if I doodle another that is half-way decent at least in its thought, i'll probably upload it. -Edbrown05 02:50, 9 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moz 1.7

Yuckies. The justification is full width, and has the nasty over-spacing of most browser-based text justification. - Amgine 04:44, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, it's a bit of an odd thing. I don't get any columns (that is, only the normal layout), but the long article with the scroll bar(s, for me) is cool! - Amgine (not logged in, second browser ff 1.0.7)

Its only goining to work with 1.5. I think. which should be coming out in the next week I think. Bawolff (- 05:38, 11 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just downloaded the rc. - Amgine 05:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
w00t! yes, that looks *very* nice in 1.5. <wonders if the new IE will have this feature> - Amgine  05:49, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
doubtful that IE will, but we can dream about it.Bawolff (- 05:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What's interesting is it *may* work just fine with other browsers. It showed up as just normal layout in Moz, plus a scroll box for the long tail article. We should test, because if so the columns could be used without harm, and it makes a nice newsy layout for people who *can* see it. - Amgine 05:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
I tried in MSIE and it looked totally normal. not even scroll bars apeared. checking in opera. Bawolff (- 06:01, 11 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In Safari it has the vertical scroll, but no horizontal scroll, and was clipping about 2% of the visible width. - Amgine 06:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
In opera it doesn't do the scroll bar, and clips most of the article :( . Probaly would work fine if there was no height style, but thats what makes it go horizontal.
Maybe there is some way to make a Mozilla only style-sheet. If you look in the source of Wikinews theres tons of IE only stylesheet fixes (at least in Monobook), Maybe we could do the same with Moz(FX). Or maybe some Java-script to hide it from browsers that cut-it off( I know nothing about Javascript so I don't know if thats possible).Bawolff (- 22:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Other problem is Images. They don't do well in the columns as far as I can tell. see User talk:Bawolff/Sandbox/Column-test. Bawolff (- 22:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Baha'i Portal

Thanks for advice & support at the watercooler Bawolff - I'v corrected the link. Could you start by setting up the portal for me? That would be a great help - I'm still a wikinewbie so it would take me a while. I like the way the Quaker one has been set up. I think NPOV would be ok - the items in BahaiMonitor are quite factually based, not pushing the BF or anything. However, they would only really be of interest to Bahais and those with a close interest in Bahai - would this be a problem? I'm thinking of stories like "Tunisian Muslim says ask forgiveness from Baha'is". This is of interest to Baha'is but a Jewish person might report the same story with a headline "Tunisian Muslim says ask forgiveness from Jews" AndrewRT 14:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for setting up the Portal Bawolff and also sorting out the floating text problem! Really appreciate it! AndrewRT 23:55, 19 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem. glad i could help. Bawolff (- 00:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What is wrong with your sig

See --Cspurrier 00:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image location

Hi there!

The Greenspan image I'd put up came from Wikipedia, that's where I usually look to "borrow" them from. I'm not 100% sure on what goes on Commons and have had stuff deleted from there. Brian McNeil / talk 10:31, 20 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New sources for wikinews?

Sources - cats food & health (see)
Almost looks like "Cats food & health" is a journal! --JWSchmidt 20:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there. I've reverted your changes because it screw up formatting both at me, Brianmc and presumably quite a few other people and I was too stupid to fix it. Maybe you could take another look. --Deprifry|+T+ 10:49, 21 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for the trophy!

--MESSEDROCKER (talk) 01:28, 27 November 2005 (UTC) no problem. Bawolff (- 01:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


[Moved from user page]
ok; what i need is a blank page to keep this stuff in? Neutralizer 02:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ok ,Chiacomo set up a special page for me so I will get rid of that template I made. Thanks for the heads up. Neutralizer 02:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just a handy tool :) I've been experiment with making a filtered list of headlines. See User:Zocky/News digest for results. Zocky 22:31, 27 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, I'm afraid I still feel it is a biased name, and cannot be made otherwise.

I would suggest you create a Portal:Spirituality, which at least is more inclusive and to me represents news about spirituality rather than news which may have an element of religion (for example, any article about the violence in Kosovo should belong to a religion category as it is directly related, while it would not necessarily belong to the category spirituality.) - Amgine | talk 00:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Main page design?

I'm confused by your post to my talk page. I probably don't mind, but what is it that I don't mind? Theshibboleth 07:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: FBI before 911

Bawolff, the article was an editorial. It is my policy, that is in accordiance with the NPOV policy, that they are deleted on sight. As the user should have viewed the style guide, linked to is the NPOV policy, I do not feel they need an explanation, but am welcome to give them one if they request. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:48, 10 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for the welcome! I will try to make some good contributions. Mushroom 01:58, 11 December 2005 (UTC) No problem. Glad to see your enthusastic. Bawolff (- 02:38, 11 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for the Welcome. I've registered at Wikinews when it opened but I don't contribute much here. sq stands for shqip which is Albanian, and yes I can communicate in English. Dori 03:14, 11 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: Request on WN:A

As requested, I will now state my reasoning for not participating in the mediation process between myself and Neutralizer (originally posted to WN:A at 17:11 UTC on 10 December 2005, striked-out due to user request):


I do not like to bicker about other users. I feel all contributors here deserve more respect than to see two of their fellow contributors accusing each other of being 'mean' or 'unfair'. If there was a better solution to the problem, then it should have presented itself. However, I do not agree with the current mediation process. Preventing further disputes doesn't mean bringing up 'points' for a 'neutral party' to decide which one has a better point, it means working with the two users to settle their dispute. And having a long-run war with someone and letting only one person decide what should be done isn't fair to the rest of the community. So, if there were suggestions by all users of the community to solve the dispute, it would be welcomed by this party. But I do not like having a neutral party taking any sides. There should be more than one opinion on the outcome.

Cheers. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:30, 11 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I'm just replying to the message you left on my talk page regarding the logos I uploaded. Thanks for your comments. Sawran 18:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi, I see you're online from the RC page. Thanks for your support before on Template:Xt. Care to support me again? I have posted a link to WN:NOT and now I worry. :) Unforgettableid 05:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: unblock user:

Yes, the user has been assigned a static IP from Comcast, which only updates consumer IP's on an average of 2 years. For this, I have only blocked the user for the period of one year, which is enough to stop the disruption he is trying to cause. --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 11:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, I realized that after uploading it. I tried to get an admin on the IRC channel to delete it, but apparently nobody did. Feel free to delete it. It is on commons under a different name, but since nobody's using it, I suppose there's no need to find it. Ral315 16:27, 16 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: WN:A Question


My visions for a more effective dispute process would be most users, rather than just one, act as a mediator between a dispute. There would be no "points" to make for either candidate, as their actions speak for themselves. Users could ask for explanation from users, but are not obligated to. I realize this would require many users of the community to be present, so it'd be best to only use it in extreme cases. Certainly when users wish to list someone for de-admin'ing vote after vote, there's a dispute. But in my eyes, one person to mediate isn't enough. Users should submit their suggestions, and those in the dispute should do their best to meet that suggestion (if it is reasonable to achieve). But, I don't see how bickering about someone's every single edit is going to help any dispute. Last I heard, Neutralizer and Amgine still aren't on best speaking grounds, which is proof for me that the existing dispute resolution is not as strong as it needs to be.

The ArbCom is an issue of itself. I don't like having people up on something similar to a 'trial' for editing a wiki - especially a news wiki. If they break the rules, they should plainly be warned, then blocked. In my eyes, the ArbCom also isn't here to solve disputes, it's here to take a side of a user or users who are mad at another user. We should be acting more civilly than that. The community should have a say in what disputes are active, however I am not seeing much done by anyone to prevent or even tame disputes with the current methods.

--MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


All Iff can do is check if the first argument is the same as one of the other unnamed arguments and do different things based on the result.

I don't think there is currently a way to test for existence of a page in wikisyntax. It could conceivably be done with some serious abuse of includeonly tags and css, but it would be really ugly and non-flexible. You may want to ask a developer for an extension that could do that. Zocky 08:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok thanks. Bawolff (- 08:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Policy proposal Re; Time limit for Administrators

hi,; hope you can support this I just put this on the watercooler policy section

This is an urgent issue that must be addressed now,imo, because an integral condition for exercising administrative authority here on wikinews is stipulated to be "You are trusted by the community"[1].

I have designed a very simple policy proposal. Our past attempts at dealing with this sensitive issue(e.g.ArbCom proposals) have been unsuccessful,imo, because of their complicatedness. I would simply ask, if possible, that this proposal be given an "up or down" vote (with associated comments of course). Any attempt to complicate OR DELAY IT (especially by existing administrators) could be seen as suspicious behavior, I think. Administrators who have the community's trust have nothing to fear with this proposal.


1. As of Feb.1,2006, adminships will be for a 1 year term. 2. All existing non-Bureaucrat adminships will terminate Feb. 1st. 2006.

3.Nominations for renewal of existing adminships will begin on January 24th.




RE:I hope you don't mind...

Thank you for reminding me, thanks to all those hurricanes, i forgot i was making that page, got to recreate that page, based on the current home pageterinjokes 19:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image Policy

Hi, thanks for the heads up on the image policy--- is it still acceptable to use that image if it's on Wikicommons or is it a no no for this page because of the license? Sinblox 08:08, 20 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Alright, I accept. An initial more thoughtful reply was on [user_talk:Nyarlathotep my talk page], but then I remembered proper talk page etiquette.  :) Nyarlathotep 17:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

At present, I feel the most effective way to deal with what wikipedia calles "POV warriors" is to provide them a strategy / "stay out of trouble" guide, which I'll try to write at some point. For example, we often see these long POV article which would be much easier to make NPOV if they were two or three articles about "seperate events", which still communicated the original POV via short crosslinking paragraphs. In a news format, shorter stories are much more effective at getting people to read them, plus they tend to end up on multiple days, thus increasing the stories visibility (in RSS too). Plus they are not so intimidating to other wikinewsies, making it much more likely that all eventually become NPOV. Nyarlathotep 10:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You just protected UN 'optimistic' on tsunami aid effort, can you fix the w: link to "Indonesian". Thanks! --Brian McNeil / talk 22:00, 22 December 2005 (UTC) Done. Bawolff (- 22:01, 22 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Spinning globe on WN:A

Hey, I've reverted your image addition on WN:A because of the animation; I found that the image was quite annoying, personally, and felt as if it really didn't have much to do with the page itself. I did like your analogy, however, and felt as if we could use it as a quote on the page (which I will bring up on the talk page as a suggestion). --MrMiscellanious (talk) (contribs) 00:43, 23 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem, After looking at it today I almost did the same thing. Bawolff (- 05:05, 23 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Why does the User:Bawolff/idea page not update the comments immediately? Am I missing something? Nyarlathotep 01:21, 26 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

need to press the refresh to see new comments link. Bawolff (- 04:15, 26 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Bawolf nice smiley face cheers just like to say about the news missouri woman swallows cell phone and iraq and other stuff i hope you and wikinews expands and gets more help also the speed on wikinews is medicore i hope it goes faster cleanuping articles thanks ba!

Thanks for the reponse

I wish I had more time now to actually work on articles. Hopefully you might keep an eye on the block log in case there is more strange activity (reblocks)? I will be just working on articles from now on; this internal conflict is too exhausting for me. Thanks again; Neutralizer 20:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for checking out how Google indexes Wikireason. Don't know why it would rank pages like that, but hopefully as the site gets more incoming links, the homepage will look better.

I monitor spam/vandalism, and revert it as soon as I catch it. I occasionally block IPs, but I don't think it is too effective. thanks for the note. --adam from Wikireason

Apparently MediaWiki now incorporates a "partial protection" system to prevent spam/vandalism on frequently defaced pages. I'll check it out. -adam

RE: Block of User:Gyre

Alright, then I'll talk to him about the meatpuppeting. --MrMiscellaniousHappy Hanukkah – 17:33, 28 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Static infobox

It creates a buffer overflow here, it seems to list all articles ever published. --Deprifry|+T+ 23:06, 28 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think this is actually a very serious security bug. Just imagine someone would put it in Template:Latest_news. --Deprifry|+T+ 23:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]


What happened, my RSS feed just went down? Brian New Zealand 00:13, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Howdy, good job on the article it looks great, I have been trying get the wikinews original reporting rss feed going, and your very nice looking page will help, thanks again Inic 14:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem Bawolff ☺☻ 19:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your idea for comments

I'm considering starting a wikiblog wikicity to handle comments for the various wikimedia projects. It would involve a small MediaWiki extension, which I could probably write, if no one has done someone similar already, but it should be basically viable. And you seemed like someone who I'd like to have some input from.  :) Nyarlathotep 03:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For your hard work

☻ Someone has poured you tea

- Amgine | talk en.WN 06:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you. Bawolff (- 06:24, 30 December 2005 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re Baseball etc

No worries re the baseball thing. I actually wasn't sure myself for a moment and had to check. I'm not sure why Wikinews is popular in Australia as opposed to the rest of the world. I've never seen it promoted here and I don't remember hearing about it while I was at uni, so I don't think it's had any great exposure or anything. I only stumbled here by accident from wikipedia last month and thought what a great idea it was and that it would be a good opportunity for me to exercise some of those skills I paid a lot of money to get but seem to have forgotten. lol. Sarah Ewart 06:47, 1 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I sent you the newsletter. Peruano 15:45, 3 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So, is the article gonna be undeleted. Peruano 17:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome message comments

Thanks for the welcome. I have just figured out a way to respond to your message. Perhaps there are other ways that are more useful?

For newbees a how to respond link would be useful - is there one?

As I said in my notes in reply to your comments: I hope this gets to you??? Your help will be much appreciated as I sort out how to do this. I'm on Firefox and don't have IRC installed. -I don't think this go to you.

It might be useful to have a few annotated examples of what makes up an article. Is this somewhere?

My first article: has two photos that I added to the commons. I'm not sure how to decide if either is considered 'public' can you point me to someone that can help me with this? The details of the photos are with the photos in the commons. I'm not sure how to put links to this quickly, if you can show me how this is done I'll use it in future talks.

If you are interested in further newbee comments about how to help people learning the Wikinews ropes from ground zero let me know.

User:Easy / talk

More Images in the Commons

Thanks very much for helping sort out the images. Good to hear one was ok.

There needs to be a better way to get more photos into the commons. In my second article there were 5 references to famous people that I would have liked to show a thumbnail image of. All the people were listed in Wikipedia, only one? had an image and it did not look like it would be acceptable for Wikinews. The other's did not have photos. Please put me in contact with someone that can help me sort out what is needed for a photo to make it into the commons with NO restrictions. All the people are well known and should have some photos they would like to make available especially since this can help the work they are doing. Perhaps photos from their websites???

I would like to persue getting the photos of these 5 people at least - with some knowledgeable help. Hopefully I can find a way that others can use to obtain more images for the commons.

It can help everyone a lot - as you well know.

Thanks for your help.

Take care, Easy

Easy 04:52, 6 January 2006 (UTC)talkReply[reply]

I've been wondering about this...

In the lead article, the image has these obscuring purple bars and has for a couple weeks. I didn't realize until just now the bars are due to your click template(s) which make the images navigation links.

It's a cool template hack! However, the bars are annoying. And I'm wondering how this affects image licensure, as it removes the direct link to the image (which contains the copyright/licensure notice and links required by most licenses.) - Amgine | talk en.WN 20:46, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You shouldn't be able to see the purple bars if its set up right. I didn't think about the license thing when I put the template in. Note I didn't think up the template, I stole it from wikipedia after somebody pointed it out to me. (see template talk:sisterprojects) I don't know if it should be removed. Bawolff (- 20:51, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can you see the purple bars on the pictures to sisterprojects at the bottom of the page? Bawolff (- 20:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
<looks> - Amgine | talk en.WN 21:23, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, no bars in the sisterprojects. - Amgine | talk en.WN 21:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is this being worked on? - Amgine | talk en.WN 20:02, 10 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: User:Mrmiscellanious/Sandbox/Quote

Yeah, go ahead. I just keep them on there because I'm usually the only one who uses them.  :) --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re: WNN Video

Yes. On the organizational level, I'd like to merge audio and video into one subproject called WNN ("WN Network"). Hopefully with the creation of such a project, we could easily encourage more users into creating media files and expanding Wikinews even further than it has come in the previous year. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 23:42, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That sounds like a good idea. Bawolff (- 23:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! Best regards en:User:Gangleri | T 00:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've moved this template and am updating links. - Amgine | talk en.WN 19:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Need to change the position of the logo to fixed! :-) Cheers Spum 11:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for reminder...

... however, I don't believe either image fell into that category. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 22:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I suppose it could be, but I always thought of publicity photos are those that were made to promote the person. If it were a FBI poster, and not just the image, I'd say it'd be publicity. This one, I think, is just plain fair use. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 12:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: Wnn-logo-sm.png

This logo wouldn't be copyright by Wikimedia, because it hasn't been supported by them yet. If it does become accepted, I may consider the possibility of signing the copyright over to them. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 20:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: Images

The FBI photo should be here, because it is fair use - publicity if you will. The WNN logo will stay here, and not on commons, because I don't even know if the proposal will go up, and I don't want them complaining about wrongly placed images. This way, I know where it's at and can delete it if it never goes through. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 21:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ArbCom nomination

Nobody can escape the call of duty! ;-) Please indicate whether you accept the nomination.--Eloquence 22:36, 18 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Personal Attacks, Vandalism from I.P Address who commented on Portal:Football

Hey there bawolff. Just wanted to inform you that the IP that commented on the Portal:Football page is somewhat of a rabble rouser; he seems to enjoy pasting the misguided opinion that "English" are inbred remnants of United States Citizens (Renowned for being of course, unilaterally caucasian.. guess he hasn't heard of w:Americk). Well, anyway; it doesn't really concern me, whatever he says, because he obviously has way too much time on his hands.

Take care my friend :-) Spum

Checking about "Original-insight" articles

For instance - Say i wished to create an article which was an original article which offers some insight into a situatiuon. For example, it is unsure wether w:Thierry Henry will remain at w:Arsenal F.C., but say i wished to creat insight which was basically, my opinion on what i think is going to happen, is it okay to create such an article? Provided of course, i add that this is the opinion of me, and not certifiable fact.

Oppinion articles are only allowed in userspace.Bawolff (- 23:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixing the auto-fixtures

Is there any chance we can? :-D

Yes. Bawolff (- 16:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the note

Right now surprisingly enough - no one wants to e-mail that address - we'll see what happens in the future though...only like 3000 or so spam piled up at present...


Chris Bradley 22:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weather poll

Why not? we have been trying, Amgine and I, I am creating the images for the Temps. Hmmm...we should try to get it back however. Jason Safoutin 20:14, 27 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


How come you transclude the portals onto the cat page? Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 02:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Responded on Brian's page. Bawolff (- 02:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay; cheers, I just thought it was weird that we have the portals twice. but you are right it does look nicer. (I was just basing my knowage on the aussie cat. that is not transcluded :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

undelete Chávez accused of anti-Semitism in Christmas speech

Hi, The article has been deleted so I don't know how you can have a look at it. It must've fallen through the cracks because it was listed as "abandoned" when, in fact, it was being regularly edited; and then it was deleted without a consensus. Hopefully you can manage to have a look at the article somehow. Neutralizer 03:49, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes I've looked at the article (I have Magical powers) I whish to see the opinions of others (specificly why) before I vote. Bawolff (- 03:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My picture of the week


RE: Image src

It'll take me a while, but I should be able to find it later today. --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 15:42, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ok, thanks. I'm just trying to track down all the pictures. Bawolff (- 18:34, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The inter links are just for an incentive; e.g. a placeholder Spum 19:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, (Not sure if thats a good idea or not.) Bawolff (- 01:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gov Ip's

a little bit obsessed that the gov is writing wikinews, are we[1]? Bawolff (-image:smile.png 21:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh, MrM is doing a proper contributions check just now. --Brian McNeil / talk 21:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ArbCom Table

np with adding the ranking, the only reason I did not, was becaue I was not sure if I should add them. I think it is a good idea thru. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 03:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. Bawolff (- 03:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for fixing that error, Don't know how I mised it. :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem. It didn't actually change any resaults. Bawolff (- 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The Arbcom selection process is completed, and you have been chosen by the community to serve in this role. Hopefully you won't have anything to do but twiddle your thumbs, but good on you anyway! - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:35, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, Congrats. Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Bawolff (- 23:43, 31 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikiquote logo deletion

Please do not delete any wikimedia logos. The image was hosted here due to issues with Commons deleting and altering logo images, destroying Wikinews layouts. This image is no longer available, which once again makes Wikinews dependent on Commons. - Amgine | talk en.WN 16:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You should be apprised that MediaWiki does not actually use .svg images. SVG images are converted and served as .png images because very few browsers support .svg images. For example, the wikibooks logo you uploaded is being served on the main page as - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:09, 3 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
iow, neither is scaling up to the specified 3000px. And we need 35px. - Amgine | talk en.WN 03:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I understand it, and I may be completely mistaken, MediaWiki creates an initial .png on upload for an SVG, and then never uses the SVG again. It works solely with the created .png. - Amgine | talk en.WN 03:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation IRC

Hi can you join us on freenode #wikimedia-meeting and support me in the comment idea? :-) we may go +m soon, then it may be too late for u to join :( -- unforgettableid | talk to me 21:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

StrangerInParadise's block

I've reverted your 12h block, because it superseeds the recommendation of a 24h block for the first offense, and have instead reinstated a 48h block on StrangerInParadise. Seeing as this is the user's second offense in the past week, and that the user has been informed of wrongdoing numerous times, I think this is a fair block. Please respond on my talk page if you wish to continue this discussion (or join IRC). --MrMiscellanious (talk) – 01:39, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

→ talk to Brian McNeil. Bawolff ☺☻ 04:58, 8 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You noticed :)

What I was trying to do (a month ago) was find a way on the kiwi portal, where I could have a weeks worth of DPL days ready, and at the start of each week it would change over (If that makes any cents :)) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 05:57, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I like you sig, - the smiley face :) 01:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Bawolff, this is Amgine.

A category serves a different purpose than a portal. It lists articles which are related to the topic in an alphabetic format, suitable for searching. A portal, on the other hand displays current information and news, as well as links to the latest related articles and similar topical portals. In short, suitable for browsing, but not for searching. - 05:53, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

But as Dan100 pointed out, its very rare you'd want to search through news articles. I think A transcluded portal would be better, because its less clicks, as people may get to it from the cat links at the bottom of a page. Its also fairly easy to scroll down to get to the category listing, if on rare occasion you do whiish to search. Its also more pretty too. (okay the last lines a bit subjective)
Seccond question, why arn't you logged in? It looks kind of suspecious. I'm pretty sure its you as resolves to that IP, but its still kind of strange. Bawolff ☺☻ 17:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My 3RR Proposal

I've called for a vote on the 3RR Proposal. Thanks for your earlier comments. StrangerInParadise 05:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can I count on your vote for the 3RR proposal? Note that it is separate to the WN:Administrators proposal, on which I haven't yet moved for a vote. StrangerInParadise 21:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for Arbitration

Please enter your opinion as to whether the ArbCom should accept a request for arbitration in User: vs. User:Amgine. --Chiacomo (talk) 00:32, 25 February 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please enter your opinion as to whether the ArbCom should accept a request for arbitration in User:Brian New Zealand v User:Amgine --Chiacomo (talk) 05:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your back :)

Did you have a good break? Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 00:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, yes it was. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Well, I initially brought it straight to the ArbCom because I didn't think the Dispute Resolution process would be very valid. [5] I with drew my request in favour of Brian New Zealands on the unanimous request of pretty much everybody in sight at the time. [6] Brian New Zealand is firmly in favour of the use of userboxes, and he is also engaged in debates in their favour on en.Wikipedia where their presence is far more invasive, and the debates have sparked considerable involvement in the community. I am firmly of the opinion they act in a manner disruptive and harmful to the community, and violate the "not a webhost" policy of Wikinews. He and I are not opposed to each other, though we did edit war over his user page.

I believe neither of us will benefit from bringing this matter to dispute resolution. I am, however, willing to engage in that process if it is deemed necessary. - Amgine | talk en.WN 00:45, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I don't think that the e-mail comfirm should be in the sitenotice, its allready on top of people's watchlist's Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I didn't no that. Some people don't use watchlists (like me! find them kind of useless because news articles are only edited for a short period of time. a couple pages are their to make them bold in RC (like wc and dr) but I don't actually look at the thing.) how about just putting that up there for a short period of time (~a day). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thats Fine, a day won't hurt, (BTW I fixed it, so it won't show to non-logged on users) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 01:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Arbcom Mailing List

I have created an ArbCom mailing list on Google Groups (I didn't get a response when asking in #wikimedia-tech). Please send me a message from the address to which you wish to receive arbcom message. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re block

Thanks it should have been Meta:Meta:WikiProject_on_open_proxies --Cspurrier 21:25, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Redirect vs. speedy deletion, status on your user page

Hi. I just saw that you returned the speedy deletion requests for Largest mass extinction in 65 million years underway, say scientists and its talk page into redirects. These pages do not link to anything (except for the new redirect) and nothing links to these pages, either. As I am not familiar with speedy deletions on the English wikinews, I would just like to ask you whether you always keep such pages here.

BTW, your user page tells us that you will be on wikinews holidays for a week from 30 November, 2005 on. ;-) Maybe you want to change it. --Angela H. 21:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Redirects are cheap. Either way works in this case. As for my userpage, I changed the one on my talk, and forgot the one on my userpage (whoops) Bawolff ☺☻ 21:34, 10 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hey thanks for the heads up on the userbox war. --Zachjones4 21:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem, we'll probally find out soon if they're going to be allowed or not. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Subject of Ayyavazhi

Hai, Bawolff. Why the category Ayyavazhi and article Ayyavazhi were suggested to deletion -Vaikunda Raja 23:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I voted there to keep Ayyavazhi. Then what futher we can do? -Vaikunda Raja 23:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It appears the portal was listed on March 9th, 4 days ago. This is one day longer than required. The category's sole entry was that portal. - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:17, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wow. edit conflict. An anonoymous user deleted the dr notice on the page. There for {{dr}} wasn't on the actual page long enough. I don't think one more day would hurt. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To: Vaikunda Raja: If you whish for the portal to be kept, ask the voters at dr what steps they feel would be required to turn it into something acceptable at wikinews. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Undeletion out of process

Excuse me, the anon deleted the deletion notice after it had been listed in the portal and on DR page for more than 4 days. You have undeleted this portal out of process. Furthermore, this portal has no news articles and serves solely to advertise this religion, and is thus a speedy deletion candidate. I would request that you reconsider your actions. - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry I was not aware that the notice was deleted today (thought it was yesterday) Reversing my actions. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfAr process

I commented here, but the nutshell is it's for the archives of the case. - Amgine | talk en.WN 05:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikinews Survey

Hi Bawolff, I wanted to thank you for your comments on the Wikinews survey. I agree with some of your concerns. Part of the questions are structured so that there can be consistency across sites I am surveying. In addition, I'm hesitant to make news changes, as there have already been some responses. I'm not sure how else to contact you about the option you suggested of posting at mediawiki:Sitenotice or Portal:Article Collaboration. If your concern is perception as spam, other sites (such as OhMyNews) have put a link on the side on their front pages and I have not received any major objections from readers. Of course though, each site has its own culture. Please contact me at if you're open to talking further. Thanks again. Hsing 13:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)HsingReply[reply]


Excellent! I'll leave that for the second generation of this idea though; there are too many possibilities for this initial offering. - Amgine | talk en.WN 00:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

medal count

The reason that the equal sign is there, is showing that the counties are tided. However if you think they should not be there, I'll remove them Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok, I see. To me it looks like someone made a table markup mistake, and thats the last thing I'd have geussed. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:21, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, i suppose they could be seen to be a markup mistake :) Brian | (Talk) | New Zealand Portal 23:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re; my comment to Ironiridis

  • My comment was meant just as a retaliation to his accusing me of voting against his adminbecause of his edits. I considereed that accusation very insulting so I tried to do a "comeback" that was supposed to get under his skin like his "dissapointing" comment got under mine. I couldn't even stand my own comment so I changed it to a triple negative which basically negated the damn thing. The bottom line is, it wasn't meant to be taken as anything more than a silly comeback comment.
  • It was stupid and wrong for me to make that comment so I am going to send a big apology to Ironiridis along with an explanation that I hope shows it was not meant as a serious accusation. Neutralizer 14:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm glad you choose to do that. Bawolff ☺☻ 01:33, 22 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Motion to Close - BNZ v Amgine

Would you please vote (or discuss or make a change in the implementation notes) in the Motion to Close in BNZ v Amgine? Thank you! --Chiacomo (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your userbox whitelist support (outside of RfAr, of course)

You have consistently resisted instruction creep of any kind (even in good ideas like my 3RR proposal =)). I am curious why you would even consider supporting this. StrangerInParadise 07:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

On Brian v Amgine you're down as supporting a whitelist

By creating a net-5 vote, you are making it policy on the motion to close, though you said that this policy should not be made by arbcom. Which is it? If you think ArbCom should not do this, you need to change your vote for the userbox whitelist! If you are even tempted to support this, then consider a whitelist for allowable news topics as well. StrangerInParadise 18:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it should be a suggestion, and I think I made that clear in my vote. I don't like the making it policy, but just delaying the closure of the case will do nothing. I feel that the whitelist's instruction creep, counteracts the wasted time on squabling over userboxes. As I see it, the whitelist is fully modifiable at anytime if any-one wants another different box. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:50, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your vote counted as more than a suggestion, it was counted as a support. The only person who has wasted time over userboxes is Amgine, to whom ArbCom has handed just what he wanted- a pass on his actions and a gag on userboxes. Why should anyone have to seek prior permission to put something on his userpage, or to offer it to others? Please make your views clear. This would not delay closure of the case, it just means ArbCom doesn't make a whitelist policy. StrangerInParadise 23:58, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As you can see, I voted support to the reconfirm. Even if I didn't vote support to the whitelist, It'd still have 4 votes. Notwithstanding my opinions on arbcom and policy, I still support the whitelist as a means of control over userboxes. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

By reconfirm, I assume you mean the summary at the bottom of the final decision. So long as your intention was to create a whitelist policy, that's fine. Your vote may actually be decisive, as I have asked EdBrown05 to confirm his as well, since his comments didn't quite square with his vote either. I don't have a problem with ArbCom making interim policy, per se, but this is a particularly bad one, sorry. Thanks for the confirmation. StrangerInParadise 00:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category Economy and business

I saw your note but I dont understand the question. What do you have in mind? --Sfullenwider 05:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Except for those of us who have a really good understanding of the workings of a wiki I fail to see the point, we're small enough to know one another... Plus I can't figure out the tag :) --Sfullenwider 05:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Also only one of thoose people are still active, so they're not used very much. (Tag is [[Category:Interest in Economy and business]] added to userpage). just thought I'd mention. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:28, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interview questions needed: Chris Cerf

Christopher Cerf has agreed to an interview, co-organized and published by Wikinews and Muppet Wiki (a Wikicities project).

Chris' achievements throughout the years include:

  • composer and lyricist for Sesame Street (three Emmys, two Grammys).
  • founded and served as original editor-in-chief of Sesame Workshop's books, records, and toys division, critical in funding the series.
  • co-creating Between the Lions.
  • senior editor at Random House for eight years. There he worked with writers George Plimpton, Andy Warhol, Abbie Hoffman, Ray Bradbury, and Dr. Seuss.
  • editor and producer of Marlo Thomas & Friends' Free To Be... A Family book, album and TV special. The book was a NYT #1 bestseller within a week of publication.
  • Contributing Editor of National Lampoon magazine
  • involved in Not the New York Times, The Experts Speak, The Pentagon Catalog: Ordinary Products at Extraordinary Prices, The Official Politically Correct Dictionary, The Gulf War Reader, The Iraq War Reader
  • his songs have been sung by Paul Simon, Ray Charles, Johnny Cash, R.E.M., James Taylor, Tony Bennett, The Dixie Chicks, Tracy Chapman, Carol Channing, Randy Travis, The Four Tops, Melissa Etheridge, Smokey Robinson, Bonnie Raitt, Wynton Marsalis, Little Richard, B.B. King, Jimmy Buffett, Bart Simpson, and the Metropolitan Opera's José Carreras
  • Cerf’s musical material has appeared on Saturday Night Live, The National Lampoon Radio Hour, The Electric Company, Square One Television, Between the Lions, and in numerous Muppet productions
  • Son of Bennett Cerf (publisher, editor, and TV panelist, co-founder of Random House)

Got a question about Chris, his writings, his compositions, his productions, etc? -- Zanimum 18:26, 25 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


for the welcome. SeniorWikiNewsReporter 23:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


commons:User talk:Bawolff. pctdayelise 05:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Daily e-mail of the Print edition pdf

You said you might need reminding of looking into this - so here's your reminder! Sounds a really good idea. Dan100 (Talk) 10:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Userbox discussion seems dead.

I reviewed your version a while back. I have a few problems with it, particularly the issues regarding transclusion as it serves as a defacto category system for users like SiP (who used a whatlinkshere to locate and spam people for the purpose of skewing a vote.)

I'd like to propose a few modifications to your policy:

Userboxes must not be templates (both as in transcluded and in template: namespace)
See below for justification for this change.
Userboxes must be limited to user space
Userboxes must be limited to use in User: and User talk: namespaces. They may link to pages in the Wikinews: namespace (such as the Wikinews:Translators pages) or pages in the User: and User talk: namespaces.
This replacement of the paragraph focuses on where they may be used (not in any other namespace) and what they may link to.
Userboxes which aren't templates
Almost any page can act like a template, and be included in another page. But better yet, almost any page can be copied into another page. Using {{subst:Namespace:Pagename}} the actual text of a page can be copied into a user's page wherever they would like it. Userboxes must be copied into the user's page.
Requiring userboxes to be subst: removes their use to create pools of party voters.

There are a number of shoulds I would prefer to remove, to avoid future arguments. Especially with wikilawyers. But the one thing I really want to avoid is use of transclusion. - Amgine | talk en.WN 18:39, 3 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I personally think, the less set in stone the better This way if that is truely the best method it will always be applied, and if it isn't something else will be applied. But to me, I'm not planing to really use userboxes so I honestly don't mind too much either way. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:00, 11 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just a silly question...

The latest news is on the main page, as well as a link to the latest news (!?) and to the RSS feed for the latest news, as well as to Wikipedia articles on RSS and Atom. There are also two links to audio wikinews, the latest podcast, the RSS feed, and to Wikipedia help using OGG. The print edition has 2 links including the latest, an RSS feed, and a link to the Wikipedia article on Portable Document Format. And you've just added a link to a place where all of these are linked again, plus a link to WP articles on IRC and HTML.

Why do we need all these links on the main page? Don't we currently have a horrendously unbalanced layout? - Amgine | talk en.WN 23:06, 10 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well, when you put it that way, perhaps not . I just thought it'd be great to have a link to all the feeds all in one place. feel free to remove it if you wish. Bawolff ☺☻ 23:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well hello!

Thanks for the warm welcome! It's nice to be acknowledged, especially when I'm just trying to figure out how the simplest things work.  :) Aramistin 07:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for saying Hi!

I'm a longtime Wikipedian making the dubious jump to Wikinews, and just wanted to say thank you...if the goals of wikinews are the same as Wikipedia, in general, I'll be fine...I mainly joined it because I was a subject of a Wikinews article by a fellow with a similar name to mine...and got accused (by similarity of the names) of contributing to a wikinews story about myself, which I didn't do! (I discovered a natural entrance to Mammoth Cave and the guy who reported it to wikinews has a similar name.) I promise to do my best to contribute only responsible edits or submissions. Best, Alan Canon 07:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hotel articles

Thanks for the compliments :) I have put a lot of work into them and researched a lot. I made some good friends and in turn, they want Wikinews to be the main source of media reporting. According to the lawyer, for the most recent article, they sent me all the information before the local media :) Jason Safoutin 11:24, 25 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


thanks, bawolff, a cup of tea always hits the spot. :) Doldrums 16:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It seems that little has happened with the case over the past few weeks. Is it possible that it be wrapped up shortly?-Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 23:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry. I'll try and push it forward. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:20, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Bawolff. I must be leaving the site for now, but I wanted you to be aware of these discussions before I return:
I posted to Cartman02au's talk page the following comment...
As you are one of the bringers of the case, my concern for you and other editors is the refusal by MrM to deal with the issues raised. What is sought by the dispute resolution process is a change in MrM's behavior. If he is allowed to not respond by labelling them as "attacks", and refuses to respond, then no opportunity is afforded you, as a disputant, to receive the relief you sought.
Are you satisfied with the heightened awareness of etiquette as enough of a response.
Personally, I am not. I maintain that it a responsibility to respond to the community. Failure to do so is one of the highest breeches of etiqette, because it ignores another's concerns. Where to ignore someone belittles them.
I have thoughts to proceed by asking ArbCom to either force MrM to answer to the dispute, or that he, or by precident any other editor, would leave the community if they refuse to answer to disputes that have merit.
Thoughts? -Edbrown05 01:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cartman02au replied...
I agree that the case is far from being resolved to satisfaction. The problem is that at present it is hanging in limbo, which at the same time is doing nothing to solve the problem either.
I am not sure we could force MrM to answer the allegations, but I certainly agree that his behaviour should not go unnoticed. All that would do is give rise to a precendent that to avoid ArbCom action you just ignore the case - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 08:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I made an identical comment to DragonFire1024, which resulted in this exchange on my talk page....
My stance has been clear. If any admin is do be de-admined, it is to be through a Rfda and voted from the community. Arbcom has no right to take away a position to which the community voted on. So I will not support a de-admin through arbcom. IMO, this arbcom case was opened with no other means of dispute resolution. As I know, you were blocked for an attack on MrM. Whether it was actually one or not I don't know. But you were blocked. If he feels that he was attacked by you, then I too would be hesitant to respond or might not respond at all. If you want to speak of ediquette, then IMO you should recuse from the Arbcom Committee in this case. Jason Safoutin 16:07, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't know why I was blocked, no explanation was ever given to me.
Your reply Jason is symtomatic of the problem... "If he [MrM] feels he was attacked...", then it results in a case where there is failure to "... respond at all."
I think that position leads toward what you complain about, that Wikinews is becoming a 'Theatre of War'. It will be and continue to be a theatre if people's concerns are being ignored, which is what MrM seems to be doing. -Edbrown05 16:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That maybe your opinon, but I have never had a problem with MrM, and if I did, it was resolved. I see him attempting to keep the peace, but in most cases (90%) he is completely and blantantly ignored. I have given up on talk pages of articles that are disputed becasue of the lack of colloberation. I have in the past days, noticed a few articles where he is ignored, and where I was ignored. If I was attacked by you or anyone for that matter, I would not respond and if I did, it would not be right away. I don't think he is ignoring anything, I think 90% o the time he is beig ignored. And its not just him being ignored either. Jason Safoutin 16:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are responding with an 'article-centric' point-of-view, where I was speaking from an 'ArbCom-centric' point of view. I was referring to MrM's failure to repond at Dispute resolution/Users Borofkin, Mrmiscellanious, and others.
On article talk pages, I don't think anybody is able to put a finger on the exact causes of issues that arise there, but the manner in which MrM intacts with community is summarized by disputants on the 'Dispute resolution' linked in the paragraph above.
For MrM to work out the problems he confronts, he must face them. -Edbrown05 17:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Singapore Elections

Thanks for helping me update. I didn't see anything about the elections, so I decided to help out. How does one go about making a page "published"? -- 02:28, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks! That's a lot of help. Hope I can put in some kind of image relating to the elections.-- 03:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, my contributions in text are in CC-BY. Feel free to copy the table. The use of logos are fairuse, i suppose. cheers. --Vsion 03:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thankyou. yes picts are okay. Bawolff ☺☻ 03:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

re: Great work

Hi Bawolff, thank you for your compliment!

Concerning the templates, I understood that I´m supposed to add the big template to every article, since I´ve read it like this on the help pages. But since I read so many help pages in the first days of working for and with wiki, I might have misread it. Anyway, I do think your perception of this is good. (And I admit, I had the same feeling once or twice, especially, when I read a rather short article. :-)

Tell you wa´, from now on I´ll just stick to the small template. Since this is wikinews, I guess, no one will "beat me up" for that. ;-) Thanks Gumboyaya 09:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Now that I´ve reread the relevant help pages, and just for your info: You are right. I already changed all the pages, as far as I could. Ta Gumboyaya 09:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ok. I was wondering, because on some of thoose pages the big template looked really weird (: Bawolff ☺☻ 16:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Portal Africa

Thanks for your prompt response. I added a new category on that article, though i "category:Africa" was added on 5th and "category:Sudan" is added today, ie 7th. I am sure the programme can be changed so that a new category can can be added on a later day, which won't change the original posting date of the article.Thanks again.Indrajitneogi 19:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You're welcome. I'm not sure what you mean by I am sure the programme can be changed so that a new category can can be added on a later day, which won't change the original posting date of the article., so I can't really help you with that. I think they or organized by the DPl not which category is added (i.e. Adding a new cat won't help) but the DPL's confuse me in that aspect a bit. Bawolff ☺☻ 19:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alternative stylesheets

According to Template:Wn news, you're the person to ask about this. The alternative stylesheet 'Clean and blue' replaces the Wikinews logo with a Wikipedia one. Is there any way we can prevent this? Frankie Roberto 09:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes. I was just about to fix it actually. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 21:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good stuff! Cheers, Frankie Roberto 22:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Talk Page

Thanks for deleting my unnecessary talk page. FellowWikiNews 22:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Motion to close

There is a motion to close in Users Cartman02au et al v Mrmiscellanious. Would please review the implementation notes and cast your vote, if you feel ready? --Chiacomo (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

cat:Washington, D.C.

What do you think, scrap [[Category:District of Columbia]], and replace it with [[Category:Washington, D.C.]]? Your category usage in Wuerl appointed Washington, D.C.'s new bishop is more intuitive. -Edbrown05 00:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Crap, did I use the wrong one :O. Sure, that sound okay. (I thought I checked that). Bawolff ☺☻ 01:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I was going to say something about that. FellowWikiNews 01:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What do you think FellowWikiNews? Is there anything in the District of Columbia besides Washington? -Edbrown05 01:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry. FellowWikiNews 23:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what? Bawolff ☺☻ 00:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think Edbrown05 did not like what I said. FellowWikiNews 00:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


If the contest started on the 16, why does it say I have 2 jokers...We start with 3 right...well I earned one by doing 2 articles on the 16...on the 17 (today) I poublished one article, assuming vonbergm comments on it soon. Jason Safoutin 20:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looking into it. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
fixed. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Barcelona article

Ahh erm a good start for my first article! Ok would a piece of original writing using Wikipedia work (I watched the game but its always useful to have backup), and also was the use of the lineups from the BBC article allowed; I would assume so because lineups are published freely in every media outlet and I didn't just copy those but adapted them, but I'd rather make sure. --Iamajpeg 10:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its fine to re-write something wikipedia has done. We're just not allowed to cut and paste from them (they're allowed to cut and paste from us though). Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 13:55, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


<grin> Yes, I know, that's why I own a commercial line for my setup. I am the ISP for this server. And the server is sitting a few feet away from me, so I can upgrade the hardware when I can afford it. And so on. <muwahahaha> Okay, maybe it's not so great; I still don't have the time/skills to fix the things which need fixing. - Amgine | talk en.WN 17:12, 18 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

World to End - prepared story

Hi I'm Deicide2006 trying to contact User: Bawolff (and I'm too stupid to figure out user talk)

Yes - I am trying to create "world ends" prepared stories page and can't. Am I doing something wrong or is it disallowed?

Update - Hey! I found my earlier version under [[Wikinews:Bad_jokes_and_other_deleted_nonsense|] !!

Well I'm glad you all had fun - but I was being serious! World's gonna end some day... no more ridiculous than any of the other "prepared storied" IMHO. Genuinely... there was a serious point in there... somewhere... I vote for re-instating it, as the one story on Wikinews which is perpetually "prepared" but never quite finished; an eternal work in progress. deicide2006

Well you're free to try at WN:DR#Undeletion_requests, but I'm doubtful it'll pass. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I was just talking with the commons admins to figure out what was going on with this; there are no plans to delete the .png there. It appears to be a somewhat eager contributor from Hong Kong. - Amgine | talk en.WN 04:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, I was just looking for something to do. It seemed consistant with commons policy of deleting everything, everybody, and their dog. Bawolff ☺☻ 13:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for your comments - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 22:00, 19 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Maybe that is why Aussies need this, we spend too much time sitting in front of a computer editing wikis lol - Cartman02au (Talk)(AU Portal) 10:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for finding the time to vote on my RfA. I assure you that if I am granted Administratorship, I will use it use it solely in the best interests of Wikinews.


I changed the confirmation notice on WN:A a bit -- and voting shouldn't really begin before 0000 UTC tomorrow (May 26). --Chiacomo (talk) 05:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mmm, the case closed on 23:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC). --Chiacomo (talk) 05:46, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When I looked, the date is March 20 somehow (relooking). Bawolff ☺☻ 05:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The last vote on the motion to close was May 12 -- I closed it later that night at around 2300. See the top of the page for the closed stamp and the bottom of the proposed decision page for the last vote. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The case wasn't opened until March 22. --Chiacomo (talk) 05:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I read the wrong date. I thought it was strange that neut let this pass for a month without saying anything. Bawolff ☺☻ 05:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've been following the date carefully. No problem! --Chiacomo (talk) 06:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Chat WNN

You can use an irc client or the web applet, the info is this:

Okay, thanks. I just realized what day the 29th is, so I proably won't be able to come, but best of luck with it. Bawolff ☺☻ 18:42, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


This is a message to inform you that I have added every administrator to the Rfda section on WN:A. This is not personal and I feel as if the community, who did not have the option of voting for or against most of the administrators, should be able to choose who they want to be in charge. I also want to say that I value everyones work on this site and I know that everyone does their best. I hope that none of you will take this personally and I hope that all of us will continue to work together. Jason Safoutin 12:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

contest 2

I just published the IOTM for May: Keep your eyes peeled for cosmic debris. Would that count as an article for the writing contest? Jason Safoutin 17:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Actually Ral315 just helped out :) Jason Safoutin 17:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I got it at Wikimedia commons under Kabul [7]

On another note, I am writing an article about the Curfew in Kabul and I am able to put the image in. However, I do not know how to make a thumbnail, can you help me out here?

-Thanks JesseCM


Thanks for the tip. I'm new here and took it as a warm welcome. If there is anything I can do to help around here just let me know. RadioKirk talk to me 22:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure. Theres lots to do depending what you're intreasted in. Finding good pictures for articles is one way that people who know their way arround commons/the image license thing, help out often (However are rules are different). Also Wikinews:Audio is always looking for more volunteers (well I assume so, I don't spend that much time on the audio part of the site). As well, Recent changes patrol is a lot more fun then in wikipedia as we don't have an overburdening amount of edits. You'll proablly find something you like to do here, after exploring a little. Happy editing. Bawolff ☺☻ 22:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S Consider joining the IRC channel #Wikinews, #Wikinews-en on , as well as #en.wikinews on

Main page!

What happend to the main page? I could be wrong, but there are redlinks. See my comment here. FellowWikiNews 00:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Go ahead. Ral315 (talk) 02:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I kinda already did, because you didn't respond for two days. Glad we agree. (I hope Elliot agrees to rejoin) Happy editing Bawolff ☺☻ 03:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My impostor

Frankly, it shouldn't have taken me as long to figure it out as it did, but I know who my impostor was, and the pw was simple from there, and the account is mine. Chiacomo was kind enough to unblock based on my e-mail address. When it's convenient, feel free to unblock the account itself. As for User:MyName, don't block him yet, let me see what I can do first. Thanks again for your help! RadioKirk talk to me 05:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Per this discussion, feel free to permablock User:Nanook. Meantime, User:MyName swears his vandal days are over, and I hope he means it this time—among other things, an awful lot of eyes will be watching ;) RadioKirk talk to me 18:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Quick Question

Is there a list of all articles listed and in development so I can see what is already being covered and not recover something? MyName 18:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

yes. wikinews:Workspace, template:developing stories as well as a list on the lower right of the main page. Bawolff ☺☻ 00:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok, thanks. Also, the vandlaism will NEVER happen again. MyName 00:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)